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Is there any mutate that can match a bloodlusted Clarks level of strength, speed, and durability, barring powersets like telepathy, reality warping, and probability affecting...

please no PF Jean, Franklin Richards, Jaspers etc......

Thanos is a mutant Eternal isn't he?

Do you count him? (Won't compete speed wise of course)

i was referring to earth based mutants i should have specified in the op, inhumans can also be used. Thanos is just too much for Clark imo.

God like cable or Rachel... xman, Jean Grey (phoenix version)...Magneto, Magician, Proteus, Blink... that's all I can think of right now.

no.

The only people who can match him aren't technically mutants. Though, there could be someone I'm forgetting or not aware of.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is there any mutate that can match a bloodlusted Clarks level of strength, speed, and durability minus speed, hulk can

i was thinking more along the lines of classic rogue, she could survive an initial assault long enough to absorb some of his powers

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i was thinking more along the lines of classic rogue, she could survive an initial assault long enough to absorb some of his powers

No... just no.

she can tank multiple nukes, but can't survive a hit from Superman? something smells.

Originally posted by marwash22
she can tank multiple nukes, but can't survive a hit from Superman? something smells.

when did she take multiple nukes?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when did she take multiple nukes?

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue. She is nigh invulnerable. She has already survived 2 nukes hitting her dead on. She has super strength, super speed and flight. She doesn't need to breathe, she has precog... etc, etc...

Rogue could possibly wipe us clean and even if a war head was shot, she has the speed feats to fly off before it hit. Originally posted by Sin I AM
rogue survived two nukes? who had she absorbed Originally posted by carver9
She was at her classic levels. It happened during the time Magneto and the acolytes attacked Genosha. Him and Rogue was in the sky conversing and Magneto took control of two jets that had nuclear devices as weapons and hit Rogue in the back with them.

It knocked her out temporarily but she was ok... didn't suffer any physical damage.

nukes, again, like blackholes, are just terribly underwritten.

lol true according to carver he has a scan of her tanking two nukes....so clark really shouldnt be an issue...but realistically with her Danvers powerset she should be able to atleast touch him and last long enough for a power drain

Originally posted by marwash22
she can tank multiple nukes, but can't survive a hit from Superman? something smells.

She could take hits... it was stated that she could take hits from Hulk and actually go h2h with him.

That's not the issue. The issue is her leeching off of his power.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when did she take multiple nukes?

Don't remember the issue number but as I stated before, it koed her temporarily.

Originally posted by carver9
The issue is her leeching off of his power. why wouldn't she be able to?

if she can leech thor, ares, then clark should be no issue

Originally posted by marwash22
why wouldn't she be able to?

He's faster and doesn't he get basic knowledge of each character he is pitted against? That alone would prevent her from touching him.

she's leeched Juggy too, and he isn't even a real mutant.Originally posted by carver9
He's faster and doesn't he get basic knowledge of each character he is pitted against? That alone would prevent her from touching him. oh. nevermind then. i thought you were aiming at something else.

another thing i was wondering if infact she were able to touch him and absorb his powerset, even if it is halved sorta the way that happened with Ares, wouldnt she theoretically be able to sundip

sure. she'd have his physiology, would she not?

I'm just going to say this... Rogue TANKED a punch that sent her to the moon (Binary punched her). She didn't even notice it AFTER making it to the moon. She was just in shock from the blow that Binary hit her with. This fea alone make me realize how durable she is. Then let's not include that the only time a herald has done this is when they were amped. Thor did it with the Odin Force (punching someone outside of the planet) and Superman did it when he was amped fighting Lobo.

Here is the feats. Its also a speed feat.. she made it back in a couple of panels.

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Originally posted by marwash22
sure. she'd have his physiology, would she not?


thats what i was thinking, i mean its plausible and all she'd have to do is speed off to the sun for an amp, he'd arguably be on her tail but a smart rogue could drain him, while he's down for a few seconds sun-dip (since she knows his powers) race back and proceed to engage him

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I think carver is a bit confused as to what happened in this issue.

Originally posted by marwash22
she's leeched Juggy too

Only cuz Cain was feeling kinky.

When did this happen though? I saw it happening on the animated series, and she definitely couldn't handle it. How did she fare in comics?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
if she can leech thor, ares, then clark should be no issue

How does draining Ares mean she can drain Superman? And besides, she overloaded on Ares (who is MUCH less powerful than Superman). And taking 2 nukes (if it is true, and there were no special circumstances) doesn't mean she can take a punch from someone who can destroy a planet (there aren't enough nukes on the planet to reduce the earth to rubble....and there are THOUSANDS of nukes on earth). And according to the original post, this Superman is enraged. Rogue isn't lasting 5 seconds. She wouldn't even see Superman coming before she was KO-ed.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
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I think carver is a bit confused as to what happened in this issue.

Lol...

I'm not referring to that issue. She wakes up in a medical center after being hit by the nukes.

Originally posted by carver9


Thor did it with the Odin Force (punching someone outside of the planet



Actually classic Thor did it to Beta Ray Bill with no Odin Force.

Originally posted by carver9


and Superman did it when he was amped fighting Lobo.



A non-amped Superman did it to Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How does draining Ares mean she can drain Superman? And besides, she overloaded on Ares (who is MUCH less powerful than Superman). And taking 2 nukes (if it is true, and there were no special circumstances) doesn't mean she can take a punch from someone who can destroy a planet (there aren't enough nukes on the planet to reduce the earth to rubble....and there are THOUSANDS of nukes on earth). And according to the original post, this Superman is enraged. Rogue isn't lasting 5 seconds. She wouldn't even see Superman coming before she was KO-ed.

Hhhmmm... Rogue has some amazing speed feats. Kind of like this one.

http://img254.imageshack.us/i/10418rr8.jpg/

And as for absorbing people. She absorbed Thor and Juggernaut. That alone is proof that she could absorb Supes as well.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Actually classic Thor did it to Beta Ray Bill with no Odin Force.



A non-amped Superman did it to Wonder Woman.

Thor was going through his warrior madness state.

Superman did it to Wonder Woman when they were by the sun. He was amped, crazy. Then its different and much difficult to punch someone through the planets atmosphere vs punching someone in space where there is nothing stopping the object from going anywhere (gravity).

Her absorbing Superman won't really work, as the sun will just recharge him, and she'd not going to be able to hold on forever.

Plus, Parasite. He has experience fighting people like her.

She isn't as strong, durable or as fast as him.

She potentially could win a match or two, but no way in hell is she getting a majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor was going through his warrior madness state.

Superman did it to Wonder Woman when they were by the sun. He was amped, crazy. Then its different and much difficult to punch someone through the planets atmosphere vs punching someone in space where there is nothing stopping the object from going anywhere (gravity).

you saying there's no gravity in space? ermm

Originally posted by carver9


And as for absorbing people. She absorbed Thor and Juggernaut. That alone is proof that she could absorb Supes as well.

I was only responding to the idea of draining Ares means someone can drain Superman. But, like I said, she overloaded on Ares, and I highly doubt she could drain Thor today, as the one time I know of that she drained Thor without being amped was her first ever appearance, and that happened over 30 years, when:

1) She was a villain, who are usually portrayed as more powerful than heroes.

2) Her powers weren't fully fleshed out.

Nowadays, considering she overloaded on Ares, I highly doubt she's doing the same thing to Thor.

The other time she drained him she was possessed by the Brood Queen, and she was fighting all the Avengers at once. So she was obviously amped.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How does draining Ares mean she can drain Superman? And besides, she overloaded on Ares (who is MUCH less powerful than Superman). And taking 2 nukes (if it is true, and there were no special circumstances) doesn't mean she can take a punch from someone who can destroy a planet (there aren't enough nukes on the planet to reduce the earth to rubble....and there are THOUSANDS of nukes on earth). And according to the original post, this Superman is enraged. Rogue isn't lasting 5 seconds. She wouldn't even see Superman coming before she was KO-ed.

well for one their "gods"...........their "essense" is magical in nature with a completely different physiology, although clark is alien, the differences between kryptonians and earthlings are cosmetic. And though Ares is less than Superman, he still has a completely different powerset that places him above him....imo

Originally posted by carver9
Hhhmmm... Rogue has some amazing speed feats. Kind of like this one.

http://img254.imageshack.us/i/10418rr8.jpg/

And as for absorbing people. She absorbed Thor and Juggernaut. That alone is proof that she could absorb Supes as well.

No it doesn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-


She potentially could win a match or two, but no way in hell is she getting a majority.

ermm

You're being way too generous. The only way she's beating Superman is if they fight on a planet made of kryptonite, under a red sun, and she has a magic sword (and even then I'd be surprised if Superman didn't find a way to take her down).

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I was only responding to the idea of draining Ares means someone can drain Superman. But, like I said, she overloaded on Ares, and I highly doubt she could drain Thor today, as the one time I know of that she drained Thor without being amped was her first ever appearance, and that happened over 30 years, when:

1) She was a villain, who are usually portrayed as more powerful than heroes.

2) Her powers weren't fully fleshed out.

Nowadays, considering she overloaded on Ares, I highly doubt she's doing the same thing to Thor.

The other time she drained him she was possessed by the Brood Queen, and she was fighting all the Avengers at once. So she was obviously amped.

It could have been Ares makeup and that's irrelevant. She absorbed the ENTIRE Avengers AND the xmen at the same time. That's INSANE. The only person she had trouble absorbing was Wonderman due to his psionic makeup.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And though Ares is less than Superman, he still has a completely different powerset that places him above him....imo

I'm absolutely speechless. I'm tempted to post an Ares vs Superman thread here and see how many people actually believe that.

Originally posted by carver9
It could have been Ares makeup and that's irrelevant. She absorbed the ENTIRE Avengers AND the xmen at the same time. That's INSANE. The only person she had trouble absorbing was Wonderman due to his psionic makeup.

You know when Odin first appeared in Marvel he was on the level of Galactus. What happened 30 years ago is pretty irrelevant to today.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...

I'm not referring to that issue. She wakes up in a medical center after being hit by the nukes.


I will take your word for I think this is the issue your talking about but you just remembered it wrong.I find it very strange that she took a nuke and I have never heard about it or it is not in her respect thread.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're being way too generous. The only way she's beating Superman is if they fight on a planet made of kryptonite, under a red sun, and she has a magic sword (and even then I'd be surprised if Superman didn't find a way to take her down).

You are doing it again Pillar.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I will take your word for I think this is the issue your talking about but you just remembered it wrong.I find it very strange that she took a nuke and I have never heard about it or it is not in her respect thread.

You could be right about the Nuke... that's why I said I THINK. When I get home, I will look. She got hit by an explosion, a big ass explosion. It was big enough that it lit the entire sky up alon with the surrounding area her and mags was in and it destroyed the jets around them.

The explosion was enormous but I can't remember if it was nuke like. I'm going to say this. It was bigger than the explosion Thor was hit by from the evil avengers. It koed her but she was up in no time.

Lol at Rogue beating Supes or even coming close to it.

Clark is bloodlusted, he could pretty much one shot her. Rogue doesnt have a chance in Hell to beat him or even touch him.

Supes shit stomps.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Her absorbing Superman won't really work, as the sun will just recharge him, and she'd not going to be able to hold on forever. how so? Unless they're extremely close to the sun, he aint gettin' recharged immediately after she drains him. Also, when she does drain him, that puts them on equal footing in erms of stats... with Rogue now having the advantage of being able to drain him even more.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Plus, Parasite. He has experience fighting people like her. Bringing him up seems like an odd thing to do as it's counterproductive to your argument. Parasite has leeched him plenty of times and Rogue is superior to him in every way.

Originally posted by marwash22

Bringing him up seems like an odd thing to do as it's counterproductive to your argument. Parasite has leeched him plenty of times and Rogue is superior to him in every way.

Except Parasite's powers work differently than Rogue's.

Originally posted by marwash22
how so? Unless they're extremely close to the sun, he aint gettin' recharged immediately after she drains him. Also, when she does drain him, that puts them on equal footing in erms of stats... with Rogue now having the advantage of being able to drain him even more.

Bringing him up seems like an odd thing to do as it's counterproductive to your argument. Parasite has leeched him plenty of times and Rogue is superior to him in every way.

the sun can almost instantly recharge him. equal footing? she'd be expending sunlight just to keep up with him, and he'll only be getting stronger.

then there's the fact that he still has far more experience using his own powers than she does. i hardly think he's just going to let her drain him.

I don't agree that she's superior in every way.

Also, Parasite leeched off Superman for weeks, made him sick, had powers on his level and Superman STILL matched him. I don't see Rogue fairing any better.

Leeching him isn't the problem. It's leeching him enough to beat him that is.

The difference between Rogue and Parasite is that when Rogue touch you, she not only receive his powers, she also receive a person memory and skill at using that power. She has shown this on NUMEROUS of occasions. Parasite doesn't have that ability.

Technically a bloodlusted Supes would be so fast that he could fly Parasite and Rogue into or next to the Sun before they do any major draining. They will die.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Technically a bloodlusted Supes would be so fast that he could fly Parasite and Rogue into or next to the Sun before they do any major draining. They will die.

Hhhmmm... possibly. I agree with Parasite but as for Rogue... kind of debatable. She has some insane speed feats... example... flying through space with Surfer at light speed. Then the one I just posted with her flying from the moon to New York in no time at all.

Originally posted by carver9
Then the one I just posted with her flying from the moon to New York in no time at all.

Superman flew from Vega to Earth in no time at all.

Vega is 27 Light YEARS from the Earth.

The Moon is less than 3 light SECONDS from the earth.

btw there are 31,556,926 seconds in ONE YEAR.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman flew from Vega to Earth in no time at all.

Vega is 27 Light YEARS from the Earth.

The Moon is less than 3 light SECONDS from the earth.

btw there are 31,556,926 seconds in ONE YEAR.

And Gladiator has moved and reacted at Hyper Speeds and has also flown from one side of the universe to the other in seconds (trillions of times the speed of light) and Surfer has flown past Galaxies in second (quatillions of times the speed of light) and guess what, Supes would still tag them.

Do you get the point? If not, let me help.

Ironman has flown from the earth to the sun in one panel... Despero would still tag him. Rogue has flown from the moon to new york in seconds, Wolverine or Binary would tag her. Vulcan has flown past planets during mid sentence... Wonder Woman would still hit him. Thor has flown 3 times the speed of light and Hyperion, Rogue, and Hulk will still hit him.

Do I need to continue?

Flying at light speed is flying at light speed.

Superman flying feats in space shits on Prime feats but guess what...

Originally posted by carver9
And Gladiator has moved and reacted at Hyper Speeds and has also flown from one side of the universe to the other in seconds (trillions of times the speed of light)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Gladiator travel through hyperspace to reach those speeds? Also, do you have a scan or issue reference of Gladiator crossing the entire universe in seconds?

Originally posted by carver9
And Gladiator has moved and reacted at Hyper Speeds and has also flown from one side of the universe to the other in seconds (trillions of times the speed of light) and Surfer has flown past Galaxies in second (quatillions of times the speed of light) and guess what, Supes would still tag them.

Do you get the point? If not, let me help.

Ironman has flown from the earth to the sun in one panel... Despero would still tag him. Rogue has flown from the moon to new york in seconds, Wolverine or Binary would tag her. Vulcan has flown past planets during mid sentence... Wonder Woman would still hit him. Thor has flown 3 times the speed of light and Hyperion, Rogue, and Hulk will still hit him.

Do I need to continue?

Flying at light speed is flying at light speed.

Superman flying feats in space shits on Prime feats but guess what... I...gulp, agree with this.

Originally posted by carver9
And Gladiator has moved and reacted at Hyper Speeds and has also flown from one side of the universe to the other in seconds (trillions of times the speed of light) and Surfer has flown past Galaxies in second (quatillions of times the speed of light) and guess what, Supes would still tag them.

Do you get the point? If not, let me help.

Ironman has flown from the earth to the sun in one panel... Despero would still tag him. Rogue has flown from the moon to new york in seconds, Wolverine or Binary would tag her. Vulcan has flown past planets during mid sentence... Wonder Woman would still hit him. Thor has flown 3 times the speed of light and Hyperion, Rogue, and Hulk will still hit him.

Do I need to continue?

Flying at light speed is flying at light speed.

Superman flying feats in space shits on Prime feats but guess what... What the Farfenugen?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Gladiator travel through hyperspace to reach those speeds? Also, do you have a scan or issue reference of Gladiator crossing the entire universe in seconds?

Gladiator doesn't utilize hyper speed and he sure didn't utilize it then. The shiar empire is located on the other side of the universe. Gladiator got a distress call from an shiar agent that was getting crushed and Gladiator made it to earth during mid sentence. That's trillions of times the speed of light and even with that feat, I would still say that Superman, Thor, along with any other Herald can go fist cuffs with him without too much trouble. Surfer also... he has flown trillion of times the speed of light... guess what, Superman is still faster h2h imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator doesn't utilize hyper speed and he sure didn't utilize it then. The shiar empire is located on the other side of the universe. Gladiator got a distress call from an shiar agent that was getting crushed and Gladiator made it to earth during mid sentence. That's trillions of times the speed of light and even with that feat, I would still say that Superman, Thor, along with any other Herald can go fist cuffs with him without too much trouble. Surfer also... he has flown trillion of times the speed of light... guess what, Superman is still faster h2h imo. How did the signal get to Gladiator so fast? The Shiar do employ serious space faring tech. And part of Gladiator's powers are tech based. So yeah, he didn't fly that fast under his own power. His cousin, who has only her natural powers, can't do what Gladiator can. Why? Because he's tech enhanced.

Originally posted by NewYoker545
What the Farfenugen?

lol yup.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Gladiator travel through hyperspace to reach those speeds? Also, do you have a scan or issue reference of Gladiator crossing the entire universe in seconds? I believe so. But even still in the MU you have to be going insanely fast to begin with to enter hyper space. Iirc of course.

Originally posted by carver9


That sounds more like hyperbole to me.

Originally posted by NewYoker545
How did the signal get to Gladiator so fast? The Shiar do employ serious space faring tech. And part of Gladiator's powers are tech based. So yeah, he didn't fly that fast under his own power. His cousin, who has only her natural powers, can't do what Gladiator can. Why? Because he's tech enhanced.

Gladiator cousin can't do what Gladiator does because Gladiator was amped by the "Gladiator process".

He is physically above her and he heard the distress call due to shiar tech.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator cousin can't do what Gladiator does because Gladiator was amped by the "Gladiator process".

He is physically above her and he heard the distress call due to shiar tech. So if he heard the distress call due to tech, then of course he certainly flew to the other side of the universe because of tech too. The Sh'iar all can't fly trillions of miles per second, and yet they all manage to get around the universe pretty convincingly and easily.

Originally posted by dmills
I believe so. But even still in the MU you have to be going insanely fast to begin with to enter hyper space. Iirc of course.

The difference is though, is that I THINK he can't go that fast in normal space. I always pictured it kind of like Babylon 5, where you're going fast in hyperspace, but not as fast as if you were in our dimension.

Originally posted by dmills
I believe so. But even still in the MU you have to be going insanely fast to begin with to enter hyper space. Iirc of course. You have to go ftl. In the early days, Surfer was constantly entering hyperspace when travelling at those speeds.

It's not portrayed consistently, as all things comics.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
That sounds more like hyperbole to me.



Possibly.

But think about this. Gladiator has one of the fastest speed quotes in comic history... we are not talking about distance here because comic logic is screwed. Just look at the flash incident... he cleared an entire city... 500000 people before a nuke fully exploded. That feat alone puts him at 1000's if not millions of times the speed of light but the writer stated that he was ging under light.

What we depict as something else, writers see it different. So like I said before, quoting the distance means nothing since I think the writer is seeing all of these instances as a light speed feat.

Originally posted by NewYoker545
So if he heard the distress call due to tech, then of course he certainly flew to the other side of the universe because of tech too. The Sh'iar all can't fly trillions of miles per second, and yet they all manage to get around the universe pretty convincingly and easily.

Huh?

Why in the world would you bring up tech on a guy that has flown 100 times the speed of light? Tech had nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'm absolutely speechless. I'm tempted to post an Ares vs Superman thread here and see how many people actually believe that.


qft, you know what im referring to, by no means is Ares on supes level...however, as being a "god" he has certaiin attributes that dwarf Clarks as its inherent in his nature, its not that hard a concept to grasp

Originally posted by carver9
The difference between Rogue and Parasite is that when Rogue touch you, she not only receive his powers, she also receive a person memory and skill at using that power. She has shown this on NUMEROUS of occasions. Parasite doesn't have that ability.

yes he does. he's even more consistent than rogue with it.

good god man... facepalm

Originally posted by Sin I AM
qft, you know what im referring to, by no means is Ares on supes level...however, as being a "god" he has certaiin attributes that dwarf Clarks as its inherent in his nature, its not that hard a concept to grasp

but what qualities do you mean?

Originally posted by -Pr-



but what qualities do you mean?


well for one handsome, tearing thru space, handling the twilight sword, etc...things you'd expect a "god" should do, by right of his mystical nature. Im not in anyway saying he's greater than supes, im just sayin in that aspect he should be more difficult to drain than him IMO

Superman has wielded a sword that's about a million times more powerful than the Twilight Sword. Also, Superman is not just a normal Kryptonian, he's also descended from a god.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well for one handsome, tearing thru space, handling the twilight sword, etc...things you'd expect a "god" should do, by right of his mystical nature. Im not in anyway saying he's greater than supes, im just sayin in that aspect he should be more difficult to drain than him IMO

Ah. You could make that argument.

As gay as it sounds, though: Handsome? Really? Fan of excessive body hair, are we?

Originally posted by -Pr-
yes he does. he's even more consistent than rogue with it.

good god man... facepalm



but what qualities do you mean?

Lol...Good god man? Is it like that Pr? This is the beginning of our debate, am I already driving you over the edge?

As for your comment. If she gets his knowledge and experience along with a percentage of his power (usually when she grab hold of a person, it auto paralyze them... don't know how he is getting free of her grip), what's to stop her from continuously getting more of his power until he is depleted... especially with her new found speed, durablity, and strength.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah. You could make that argument.

As gay as it sounds, though: Handsome? Really? Fan of excessive body hair, are we?


i am fond on all things masculine, i am the anti-bieber if u will lmao

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Good god man? Is it like that Pr? This is the beginning of our debate, am I already driving you over the edge?

As for your comment. If she gets his knowledge and experience along with a percentage of his power (usually when she grab hold of a person, it auto paralyze them... don't know how he is getting free of her grip), what's to stop her from continuously getting more of his power until he is depleted... especially with her new found speed, durablity, and strength.

Your lack of knowledge about the people you're debating isn't exactly a good start.

auto-paralysis? you'd have to prove that worked on him.

she can't deplete him, because the sun will keep recharging him.

You're also forgetting about basic knowledge.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i am fond on all things masculine, i am the anti-bieber if u will lmao

So you think Superman isn't masculine then. Gotcha.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your lack of knowledge about the people you're debating isn't exactly a good start.

auto-paralysis? you'd have to prove that worked on him.

she can't deplete him, because the sun will keep recharging him.



So you think Superman isn't masculine then. Gotcha.

Why wouldn't it ko him though when her touch did a number on people like Thor? The only argument that we have here is if Rogue could absorb faster than Superman can pull in solar energy.

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't it ko him though when her touch did a number on people like Thor? The only argument that we have here is if Rogue could absorb faster than Superman can pull in solar energy.

a) Thor isn't Superman.
b) Superman is just going to let her grab him and absorb his powers when he knows what abilities she has?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman has wielded a sword that's about a million times more powerful than the Twilight Sword. Also, Superman is not just a normal Kryptonian, he's also descended from a god.


meh...i thought that rao crap was retconned, and sword are u referencing?


Originally posted by -Pr-



So you think Superman isn't masculine then. Gotcha.


masculine.......in a boyish charm sorta way i suppose but he still comes off as a puss sometimes, but i need a real man...id take teth over clark anyday

Originally posted by Sin I AM
meh...i thought that rao crap was retconned,

When?

I think it makes perfect sense though. There needs to be some explanation why he is constantly beating other kryptonians.


Originally posted by Sin I AM


and sword are u referencing?


The Sword of Superman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34565/1355602-899052_pc6os3_super_super.gif

Originally posted by Sin I AM
meh...i thought that rao crap was retconned, and sword are u referencing?





masculine.......in a boyish charm sorta way i suppose but he still comes off as a puss sometimes, but i need a real man...id take teth over clark anyday

being good =/= being a puss.

no offence, but he was real enough for catwoman, wonder woman, lois, lana, maxima, lori lemariss, cat grant, the leader of metropolis scu (who basically threw herself at him), and so on and so forth.

boyish charm... it worked for james bond.

Originally posted by -Pr-
a) Thor isn't Superman.
b) Superman is just going to let her grab him and absorb his powers when he knows what abilities she has?

I said this on the first page.

Originally posted by carver9
I said this on the first page.

Said what?

Originally posted by -Pr-
being good =/= being a puss.

no offence, but he was real enough for catwoman, wonder woman, lois, lana, maxima, lori lemariss, cat grant, the leader of metropolis scu (who basically threw herself at him), and so on and so forth.

boyish charm... it worked for james bond. its not charm, its that they're good looking

if superman or james bond were short balding guys, they wouldn't get those girls

Originally posted by -Pr-
Said what?

I said tha Superman would avoid her touching him. My argument wasn't about him beating her because I think he can. Just forget it.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
When?

I think it makes perfect sense though. There needs to be some explanation why he is constantly beating other kryptonians.





The Sword of Superman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34565/1355602-899052_pc6os3_super_super.gif


pre-crisis garbage.........and its a shitty explanation, a better one would be that he's been on earth 30 plus years and has absorbed enough sunlight to place him head and shoulders above these upstart kryptonians



Originally posted by -Pr-
being good =/= being a puss.

no offence, but he was real enough for catwoman, wonder woman, lois, lana, maxima, lori lemariss, cat grant, the leader of metropolis scu (who basically threw herself at him), and so on and so forth.

boyish charm... it worked for james bond.


meh, he looks like a love maker, im more into the tough silent type, i need a pounding...iirc its been awhile since i last had one lmao!

Sin, question.

Thor vs Superman in manliness. Who wins?

Office boy-scout or Fabio?

Originally posted by Starscream M
its not charm, its that they're good looking

if superman or james bond were short balding guys, they wouldn't get those girls

It's not purely looks.

Originally posted by carver9
I said tha Superman would avoid her touching him. My argument wasn't about him beating her because I think he can. Just forget it.

ok...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
pre-crisis garbage.........and its a shitty explanation, a better one would be that he's been on earth 30 plus years and has absorbed enough sunlight to place him head and shoulders above these upstart kryptonians






meh, he looks like a love maker, im more into the tough silent type, i need a pounding...iirc its been awhile since i last had one lmao!

except that he's been stated as being descended from him post crisis, iirc.

he can't pound. he'd turn any human woman in to mush. and he's married to a human woman.

what you're in to is what you're in to, i suppose; i just think you have the wrong idea about the guy...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Sin, question.

Thor vs Superman in manliness. Who wins?

Office boy-scout or Fabio?





neither......ones a dense blood who constantly whines about his father, the others a boy scout who can do no wrong


iim more the antihero type of gal, u ever seen the good, the bad, and the ugly? the man with no name is dead sexy

Originally posted by Sin I AM
neither......ones a dense blood who constantly whines about his father, the others a boy scout who can do no wrong


iim more the antihero type of gal, u ever seen the good, the bad, and the ugly? the man with no name is dead sexy you'd like wolverine then?

Originally posted by Starscream M
you'd like wolverine then?

She thinks he's gay actually. lol

What about Lobo then?

Originally posted by Starscream M
you'd like wolverine then?

i despise wolverine, even though his character is a direct rip off of clint eastwood, and no CC not lobo either, i prefer Namor, Black Adam types

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah. You could make that argument.

As gay as it sounds, though: Handsome? Really? Fan of excessive body hair, are we?
Lol.

She's a bear chaser.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well for one handsome, tearing thru space, handling the twilight sword, etc...things you'd expect a "god" should do, by right of his mystical nature. Im not in anyway saying he's greater than supes, im just sayin in that aspect he should be more difficult to drain than him IMO superman is more handsome than ares

^ I was wondering when you'd jump in.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i am fond on all things masculine, i am the anti-bieber if u will lmao

inlove

smh, my threads always tend to drift into my personal life lol, im suprised noone mentioned banner

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh, my threads always tend to drift into my personal life lol, im suprised noone mentioned banner
You should have never posted pics....


...sweet cheeks.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh, my threads always tend to drift into my personal life lol, im suprised noone mentioned banner banner is the epitome of masculinity?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol.

She's a bear chaser.

seems that way.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
neither......ones a dense blood who constantly whines about his father, the others a boy scout who can do no wrong


iim more the antihero type of gal, u ever seen the good, the bad, and the ugly? the man with no name is dead sexy

and this is why i disagree with you. "do no wrong" is pretty inaccurate. no offence.

Originally posted by -Pr-


and this is why i disagree with you. "do no wrong" is pretty inaccurate. no offence. nah, she's kinda right. he is a do no wrong kinda guy.

you seem to like the boyscout archetype...ie Cyclops, and Superman

Originally posted by Starscream M
nah, she's kinda right. he is a do no wrong kinda guy.

you seem to like the boyscout archetype...ie Cyclops, and Superman

how is he a do no wrong kind of guy?

i don't really stick to any archetype.

Originally posted by -Pr-
how is he a do no wrong kind of guy?

i don't really stick to any archetype. like he's always does the right thing. he doesn't even try, he's just almost flawless.

you have to admit, cyke and superman have similar personalities. both are by the book do the right kinda thing leader types.

Cyke ain't a do no-wrong kind of guy.

Originally posted by Starscream M
like he's always does the right thing. he doesn't even try, he's just almost flawless.

you have to admit, cyke and superman have similar personalities. both are by the book do the right kinda thing leader types.

he tries to do the right thing, and he is far from flawless. he gets fired from the planet, shit from his wife on occasion, flak from the public because he doesn't do enough, flak from other heroes for trying to do too much.

the "idea" of superman is always going to be more wonderful than the man himself.

except that they're not really that similar. superman is the kind of person cyclops would like to be in terms of morals and self-belief, but they both have very different methods.

for example: cyclops is a drill seargent type of leader that's horrible with people. superman is the opposite.

also, not long ago cyclops set up black ops squads, and participated in the genocide of hundreds if not thousands of skrulls.

when was the last time you read an arc with either of these characters in them?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok we all know Supes is the man


http://flixchatter.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/superman_alex_ross.jpg



Is there any mutate that can match a bloodlusted Clarks level of strength, speed, and durability, barring powersets like telepathy, reality warping, and probability affecting...

please no PF Jean, Franklin Richards, Jaspers etc......
Surfer, Tyrant, and Thanos could undoubtedly do it, possibly current Drax as well, but they aren't mutants. I can't think of any mutants off of the top of my head that individually would match the all of the powerset criteria listed, but I can definitely think of a few that would certainly make things interesting. I would really enjoy seeing him take on Nate Grey, Juggernaut (Yes I know he isn't a mutant, I'm just saying it would be fun to see), Phobos would be cool, Forge would be interesting. Superman vs the Acolytes (Magneto, Exodus, Fabian Cortez, Chrome and Tempo) would have the best shot of any existing mutant team I can think of. The X-Men rosters vary too much so that would be harder to call, but I suppose that you could cherry pick a team to get the job done.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he tries to do the right thing, and he is far from flawless. he gets fired from the planet, shit from his wife on occasion, flak from the public because he doesn't do enough, flak from other heroes for trying to do too much.

yeah, but don't you see...those are not his flaws. they're the others around him, its lois inscecurities, perry's impatience, other heroes' lack of understanding that cause them to shit on superman.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Cyke ain't a do no-wrong kind of guy.
See I can't make up my mind if dropping Jean for Emma was an upgrade or downgrade...they both have their big faults. mhmm

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, but don't you see...those are not his flaws. they're the others around him, its lois inscecurities, perry's impatience, other heroes' lack of understanding that cause them to shit on superman.

you think Superman doesn't have flaws? Insecurities? Are you serious? There have been entire arcs focusing on the negative parts of his personality.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
See I can't make up my mind if dropping Jean for Emma was an upgrade or downgrade...they both have their big faults. mhmm

Upgrade definitely. Jean was a cow. Emma actually treats him right. Well, most of the time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you think Superman doesn't have flaws? what are his flaws? tell me

Originally posted by -Pr-
you think Superman doesn't have flaws? Insecurities? Are you serious? There have been entire arcs focusing on the negative parts of his personality.



Upgrade definitely. Jean was a cow. Emma actually treats him right. Well, most of the time.
It says something powerful if becoming Emma Frost's boytoy is a relationship upgrade on anything but a physical level.

Emma looks like the dominatrix style while Jean is probably into sadistic shit...hmmm

Originally posted by Starscream M
what are his flaws? tell me

His insecurities about his marriage, his work as Superman, his place in the world.

His alienation, and his neediness when it comes to being accepted by humanity.

Is that enough?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It says something powerful if becoming Emma Frost's boytoy is a relationship upgrade on anything but a physical level.

boytoy is hardly accurate, imo. amusing, sure, but she's more emotionally capable of relating to him than jean was when they were married, imo. they do seem to have a more active sex life, so the boy toy thing does come in to it, i suppose, but emma has more than once shown that when the chips are down, she's loyal to him and trusts him to be in charge.

and no, i don't mean in bed. though that's probably true too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
His insecurities about his marriage, his work as Superman, his place in the world.

His alienation, and his neediness when it comes to being accepted by humanity.

Is that enough?

its hard for me to label any of those flaws...rather it just shows how goody goody he is

he's already done so much, yet he's still concerned he's not doing more

he's saved lois and treats her so nice, yet still is concerned about their relationship

he's a god to humanity, yet he seeks to avoid being placed on a pedestal

how are any of those flaws?

they just highlight how selfless and kind he really is

Originally posted by Starscream M
its hard for me to label any of those flaws...rather it just shows how goody goody he is

he's already done so much, yet he's still concerned he's not doing more

he's saved lois and treats her so nice, yet still is concerned about their relationship

he's a god to humanity, yet he seeks to avoid being placed on a pedestal

how are any of those flaws?

they just highlight how selfless and kind he really is

actually no, you just mislabelled every single point i made.

Originally posted by -Pr-
actually no, you just mislabelled every single point i made. I just looked at it from a different viewpoint.

ok, pick the one flaw you consider biggest for superman...what would it be in your opinion?

Give us an actual character flaw Pr. Not struggles he faces. Having struggles builds good character.

His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does? I'd say always having to watch everything you do is a character flaw. He doesn't relax, he can't afford to. Not when someone needs saving. He blames himself not being able to save them, "because he can hear them. All of them."

They are thinking about flaws like Tony Stark's alcoholism...I think

Originally posted by Starscream M
its not charm, its that they're good looking

if superman or james bond were short balding guys, they wouldn't get those girls

Don't matter if his bald, and short. All he has to do is flex his muscle. pick up a truck and say i'am Superman, and the females would still jump on his Man Of Steels.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does?." just ask hulk

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
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No.

edit: cheeky guy...you edited.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.

So tell me, just how hard do you think it is to hold back as much as he does? I'd say always having to watch everything you do is a character flaw. He doesn't relax, he can't afford to. Not when someone needs saving. He blames himself not being able to save them, "because he can hear them. All of them."

Everyone has rage. Superman does an excellent job of holding it back, more so than pretty much anyone else. This is not a character flaw. This is something that once again reaffirms how great superman is. How considerate and thoughtful a guy Superman is. How he has such willpower to hold back his rage. "Oh I'm so powerful, I must be careful".


I love Superman, but you guys aren't doing a good job of convincing anyone that his personality is the interesting part of him. I read his books because of his established history, his background story, his powerset, his ability to kick ass. Not because I find his personal inner struggles interesting.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
His own rage. Have you seen what happens when he gets angry? He's powerful enough that a single misjudged blow, flying too fast, even yelling out....could cripple, kill, destroy entire cities, ruin worlds, etc.



When did this happen? Does anyone have a scan of this? Can someone show me this happening when he fought Diana during Sacrafice since he didn't hold back at all? Can someone show me him swinging his arms during Sacrafice so hard and fast that it destroyed earth or the area they were fighting in.

Help a brother out... I missed that part.

Originally posted by carver9
When did this happen? Does anyone have a scan of this? Can someone show me this happening when he fought Diana during Sacrafice since he didn't hold back at all? Can someone show me him swinging his arms during Sacrafice so hard and fast that it destroyed earth or the area they were fighting in.

Help a brother out... I missed that part.

Not a planet, but after Superman in space of all places heard Luthor became president. He was in such a rage, he flew straight into a moon, and sliced it in half.

Originally posted by SquallX
Not a planet, but after Superman in space of all places heard Luthor became president. He was in such a rage, he flew straight into a moon, and sliced it in half.

Nice feat... never said that he was weak but Trickster tends to go a lil to far. Him going light speed into a small moon is within his capabilities... his durability can withstand the impact. Waving his hands, destroying planets and cities... that ain't happening and has never been demonstrated on panel and he has went all out on more than one occassion (against Black Adam he stated that he doesn't need to hold back his strength and against Diana he didn't hold back... against Konvikt, Doomsday as well and the list goes on).

Originally posted by carver9
Nice feat... never said that he was weak but Trickster tends to go a lil to far. Him going light speed into a small moon is within his capabilities... his durability can withstand the impact. Waving his hands, destroying planets and cities... that ain't happening and has never been demonstrated on panel and he has went all out on more than one occassion (against Black Adam he stated that he doesn't need to hold back his strength and against Diana he didn't hold back... against Konvikt, Doomsday as well and the list goes on).

The thing is, comic rarely uses a character of Superman caliber the right way. Especially when he's using his powers on Earth.

For instance, Superman could punch an asteroid at least the size of the moon into pieces without trying. Yet when he goes all out on Earth he hardly causes any damages.

also this talk of rogue is getting out of hand. There only taking her most extreme feats in which she never done any remotely close to consistently. She has like in Rogue own mini taken out by an explosion that wolverine was still standing from and need to use his healing factor to survive. She also I believe needed direct contact from him and not simply her standard healing factor which is extremely weak version of his. So I think some people are really exaggerating what she is consistently capable of.

Originally posted by SquallX
The thing is, comic rarely uses a character of Superman caliber the right way. Especially when he's using his powers on Earth.

For instance, Superman could punch an asteroid at least the size of the moon into pieces without trying. Yet when he goes all out on Earth he hardly causes any damages.

When did this happen?

We have seen Hulk literally shift tectonic plates on a planet twice the size of earth but I have never seen him punch someone hard enough that the shockwaves completely destroys a planet or city. That's insane.

I see it like this... punching power and lifting feats are kind of different imo. Doomsday haven't lifted a nail yet but from what I have seen, he is one of the best punchers in DC.

Thanos hasn't budged a rock yet but going by his punching power, he could drop Heralds.

I just can't see someone waving their hands destroying cities and planets (outside of anime characters).

Originally posted by carver9
I just can't see someone waving their hands destroying cities and planets (outside of anime characters).

Surfer? Thor? Heck, even Terrax...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer? Thor? Heck, even Terrax...

So they can destroy cities and planets just from the shockwaves of waving their hands? Is that what you are telling me? Thor can simply shed planets and destroy cities just by waving his hands?

WTF.

In Scientific terms, it take a whole lot less power to fly thru a planet/moon than it is to blow it apart as you need to overcome the natural gravity of the planet in order to shatter it.

Originally posted by carver9
So they can destroy cities and planets just from the shockwaves of waving their hands? Is that what you are telling me? Thor can simply shed planets and destroy cities just by waving his hands?

WTF.

Surfer certainly did. He blew up a planet to prove a point with Ravenous, he didn't have to wave his hands. Also blew up a planet in a contest of power vs Morg.

Felt like you meant "waving one's hands" to mean "with minimal effort".

Thor's destroyed entire mountain ranges/cities with the shockwave of the impact simply by slamming Mjolnir against Celestial armor at full strength. Granted he gave that all he had and he was wearing the belt of strength.... still...

Just saying that kinda "city/planet" blasting power isn't anime-specific.

A weaken Superman, while fighting Zod were shaking the planet with there mere punches.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
also this talk of rogue is getting out of hand. There only taking her most extreme feats in which she never done any remotely close to consistently. She has like in Rogue own mini taken out by an explosion that wolverine was still standing from and need to use his healing factor to survive. She also I believe needed direct contact from him and not simply her standard healing factor which is extremely weak version of his. So I think some people are really exaggerating what she is consistently capable of. nukes are one of the weakest weapons imaginable to superhumans in comic. Bullets are by far more effective...

as of late cyclops hasnt really had the boyscout image



Black Bolt
Nate Grey
Hulk
warlock
wonderman (classic)
Jack of Hearts

None of those guys would have a chance against him.

Black Bolt would, clark may win the maj but he's not curbstomping anyone here

Yes he would, only Nate has a chance.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Yes he would, only Nate has a chance.


he'd curbstomp who exactly?

lol at the wanking, no one here is getting curbstomp

Wonderman (classic), BB and Hulk get stomped. Jack of Hearts and Warlock lose badly. Nate is the only one who has a chance vs a bloodlusted Supes.

by the way no way is superman beating warlok

STFU troll.


Nvm putting u on ignore.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Wonderman (classic), BB and Hulk get stomped. Jack of Hearts and Warlock lose badly. Nate is the only one who has a chance vs a bloodlusted Supes. hulk gets stomped by superman. wtf?
warlok would beat superman ,he would stomp with soul gem.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Wonderman (classic), BB and Hulk get stomped. Jack of Hearts and Warlock lose badly. Nate is the only one who has a chance vs a bloodlusted Supes.


hmmmmmmmm.............so your saying supes gets a 10/10 over everyone here save nate? Im just trying to see where exactly your going with this.

He's not exagerating in the least. Superman is powerful enough to do that. And as my good friend Batdude has pointed out, Superman can neutralize BB's voice.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's not exagerating in the least. Superman is powerful enough to do that. And as my good friend Batdude has pointed out, Superman can neutralize BB's voice.


how? when he has yet to encounter it, and he's bloodlusted which means he would more than likely resort to fisticuffs as opposed to exotic powers? People seem to forget that BBs powers are NOT entirely sonically based, its more electron manipulation.

White noise. BB's voice is dependant on sound in order to work. Superman can generate white noise easily.

Electron manipulation aside, the voice power can be stopped by neutralizing sound. Which white noise does.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
White noise. BB's voice is dependant on sound in order to work. Superman can generate white noise easily.

Electron manipulation aside, the voice power can be stopped by neutralizing sound. Which white noise does. Actually AFAIK it does not need sound to work.

I think he has actually done it in space before. No sound.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
White noise. BB's voice is dependant on sound in order to work. Superman can generate white noise easily.

Electron manipulation aside, the voice power can be stopped by neutralizing sound. Which white noise does.


based on what exactly? His speech center is just a conduit for his electron manipulation, if this was say banshee vs supes then i'd concede, but since blackagar's power function on a whole different level you'd have to prove otherwise. i mean prior to the first word, how would superman even know what precise frequency (if any) to use to counter his power?

White noise neutralizes sound period. Frequency is irrelevant.

Or hell, I can avoid the entire discussion with one word. Speedblitz. There, problem solved. And it's not like he hasn't tanked worse than BB's voice.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
White noise neutralizes sound period. Frequency is irrelevant.

Or hell, I can avoid the entire discussion with one word. Speedblitz. There, problem solved. And it's not like he hasn't tanked worse than BB's voice. It doesn't need sound.

And yes supes could probably speedblitz BB. But I find it hard imagining supes tanking his voice. Supes would definitly win against BB in these stips though.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
White noise neutralizes sound period. Frequency is irrelevant.

Or hell, I can avoid the entire discussion with one word. Speedblitz. There, problem solved. And it's not like he hasn't tanked worse than BB's voice.


speedblitz my ****, thats a weak argument, BBs shields go up the second thhe fight starts, then he whispers