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Both are going all out. Both at their most powerful. Who wins?

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The Spectre, seriously if written right; he is, basically.... unbeatable.

Originally posted by WHAAM!
The Spectre, seriously if written right; he is, basically.... unbeatable.

yeah, pretty much. would have MAYBE been different if not for the 'fighting at their best' bit.

Spectre do to him being at his best.

That pretty much means god wants him to win. Therefore he wins.

Phoenix is at best a universal power. But......Spectre has plenty of showings that put her to shame. Even a decent Spectre would destroy her.

spectre ftw
spectre going all out is at the level of COIE anti-monitor, phoenix is below that level

The Spectre that fought evenly with Anti-Monitor in Crisis on Infinite Earths was being amplified by some of DC's most powerful magic users; he didn't achieve that level of power on his own.

If he's backed by TOAA how the hell can he possibly lose? Spectre for the win.

When has he ever been 'backed' by DC's God?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
When has he ever been 'backed' by DC's God?

That one time.

Spectre at his most powerful is being backed by the Presence. He wins.

Via common sense, Spectre.

Even without the Presence's backing he took it to Michael (basically the LT of DC) and gave Mike a workout.

Spectre at his best so he has the full support of The Presence

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Even without the Presence's backing he took it to Michael (basically the LT HOTU of DC) and gave Mike a workout. Fixed for accuracy. At the very least.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Phoenix is at best a universal power. But......Spectre has plenty of showings that put her to shame. Even a decent Spectre would destroy her. phoenix is multiversal.




at his best, specter macthes the LT who is far above the PF. he wins this. going by his average, this could be a different story though.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Even without the Presence's backing he took it to Michael (basically the LT of DC) and gave Mike a workout.

Michael didn't take him seriously though.

So please post for me the times Spectre has got FULL backing from the Presence and was undefeatable? Ooo that's right never happened. Hyperbole aside, Spectre has never shown such a power increase and he should't ever be granted a no limits fallacy. If that was the case.. Hulk we never lose on here... because Hulk has unl1m1ted Str3ngth For the w1n!!!!

Spectre wins.

I think Spectre wins to be clear, but NOT because of some hyperbole of the Spectre getting full backing from the Presence

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think Spectre wins to be clear, but NOT because of some hyperbole of the Spectre getting full backing from the Presence stips says at their most powerful. At his most powerful Spectre for all intents and purposes is the hand of god.

Originally posted by Uriel005
stips says at their most powerful. At his most powerful Spectre for all intents and purposes is the hand of god.

Exactly, and that's how he is in this thread.

So then Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe and can never be defeated because he'll just get as angry as he needs to be. There is plenty of hyperbole for characters like that which we don't give that much credit to and spectre is no different. Until we SEE ON PANEL spectre full backed by the Presence and what he can do.. it's nothing more than hyperbole. Saying otherwise, in hypocritical of you guys since we dont' that with other characters.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So then Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe and can never be defeated because he'll just get as angry as he needs to be. There is plenty of hyperbole for characters like that which we don't give that much credit to and spectre is no different. Until we SEE ON PANEL spectre full backed by the Presence and what he can do.. it's nothing more than hyperbole. Saying otherwise, in hypocritical of you guys since we dont' that with other characters.

Hey Thanosi? When a character is literally the wrath of god, he's pretty much backed by god. And unlike almost any character in comics, Spectre's power is dependant on what The Presence 'lets' him do.

Unlike that bullshit about Sentry being the angel of death, Spectre WAS the angel of death. Literally. He got a job change after Christ died and became infused with a human. Eclipso got booted out of the job around the same time.

Guess who put him down and kicked out Eclipso? Michael, God's right hand. A guy on par with or superior to the HOTU.

So you really wanna spout this crap about hyperbole with Spectre of all people?

honestly feat-wise, stalemate COIE anti-monitor topped anything phoenix did.

Yeah Spectre is -literally- God's vengeance/wrath personified. Just like Michael is God's power personified, and Lucifer is God's will personified.

If God wants someone/thing dead, Spectre is who he sends to carry out the deed. That said, I take the stips of this thread as God personally sending Spectre to slay Phoenix... Spectre wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So then Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe and can never be defeated because he'll just get as angry as he needs to be. There is plenty of hyperbole for characters like that which we don't give that much credit to and spectre is no different. Until we SEE ON PANEL spectre full backed by the Presence and what he can do.. it's nothing more than hyperbole. Saying otherwise, in hypocritical of you guys since we dont' that with other characters.
Acting like those two things are the same is just pathetic.

Word to PR, TP, Galan, OV, and pretty much everyone saying Spectre would win.

Because he would.

PF

Originally posted by Eon Blue
PF

Care to explain why, considering who she's facing?

Spectre wins.

Phoenix Force wins

Anyone who says the phoenix force would win is a dumb dumb dummy head.

Anyone who thinks the PF wins also thinks that if the Presence wanted His agent to take the PF out He couldn't.

Which is just retarded.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hey Thanosi? When a character is literally the wrath of god, he's pretty much backed by god. And unlike almost any character in comics, Spectre's power is dependant on what The Presence 'lets' him do.

Unlike that bullshit about Sentry being the angel of death, Spectre WAS the angel of death. Literally. He got a job change after Christ died and became infused with a human. Eclipso got booted out of the job around the same time.

Guess who put him down and kicked out Eclipso? Michael, God's right hand. A guy on par with or superior to the HOTU.

So you really wanna spout this crap about hyperbole with Spectre of all people? Not even close to the hotu so don't even think of going there.

You're going to argue Michael himself isn't equal to HOTU? **** off Quan, you ain't winning this one.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You're going to argue Michael himself isn't equal to HOTU? **** off Quan, you ain't winning this one. Yes, since I read vertigo's entire series and he'd lose to many beings. He was powerful yes but very beatable.

Hotu would take dc's presence.

Wait. Did you just say HOTU would defeat the Presence? whatdur

HY-03vYYAjA

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait. Did you just say HOTU would defeat the Presence? whatdur

HY-03vYYAjA I can actually back it up as well. It's really quite simple but it's off topic. If you want to hear me argue it make the proper thread or bump it if one already exists.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Anyone who thinks the PF wins also thinks that if the Presence wanted His agent to take the PF out He couldn't.

Which is just retarded.

Fact is, we can't give Spectre credit for an ability he's never ever shown in his ENTIRE history. Until he's shown to be able to get the "full backing" of the Presence it's nothing more than unproven hyperbole. NO matter how much you guys wanna believe he could.. it has NEVER once happened.

Yo.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
When has he ever been 'backed' by DC's God?

it also happened here too:

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Tazer

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Fact is, we can't give Spectre credit for an ability he's never ever shown in his ENTIRE history. Until he's shown to be able to get the "full backing" of the Presence it's nothing more than unproven hyperbole. NO matter how much you guys wanna believe he could.. it has NEVER once happened.
It's just a matter of logic.

Presence wants Spectre to destroy Phoenix Force, PF gets destroyed.

This is simple shit Kurupt.

^ If Presence wanted Batman to take out Phoenix Force, PF gets destroyed.

This whole "Spectre =/= Presence, but basically he is" argument is tired.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If Presence wanted Batman to take out Phoenix Force, PF gets destroyed.

This whole "Spectre =/= Presence, but basically he is" argument is tired.


Batman isn't the Presence's Agent.

So far as we know...

^ Yet... if Presence wanted Batman to take out Phoenix Force, Batman would do it. Presence wanting Spectre to do something is meaningless as that rationale could be applied to Presence backing anybody.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yet... if Presence wanted Batman to take out Phoenix Force, Batman would do it. Presence wanting Spectre to do something is meaningless as that rationale could be applied to Presence backing anybody.
Spectre is the Presence's hitman. Batman isn't.

But off the record, I think if Presence wanted Batman to destroy the Phoenix Force it would still happen, albeit it wouldn't be a matter of Batman destroying it with any kind of power, rather through some kind of cosmic finagling.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's just a matter of logic.

Presence wants Spectre to destroy Phoenix Force, PF gets destroyed.

This is simple shit Kurupt.

Omega you're giving credit to Spectre and saying he could do something he NEVER once has. Just as I stated before... we don't give credit to hulk and say he is the strongest in the universe as beyonder stated because we've never seen him reach that level of anger. You're using a double standard here. As ODG also says.. if the presence wants anybody to win.. they win.. big whoop.

Anyways, I think Spectre wins even without full back from the Presence

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Spectre is the Presence's hitman. Batman isn't.

But off the record, I think if Presence wanted Batman to destroy the Phoenix Force it would still happen, albeit it wouldn't be a matter of Batman destroying it with any kind of power, rather through some kind of cosmic finagling. Who cares how it happens? If Presence backs somebody in an endeavor, it gets done regardless of whether its Spectre or Batman or Superman or a retarded one-armed monkey.

Spectre has enough feats on his own account to stand on his own two feet. The constant appeals to the Presence backing him render discussions about Spectre utterly meaningless.

Iiiiiii get it now!! Like if the presence wanted Ambush Bug or Aunt may to tool superman then they could.

The Presence empowering the Spectre to do his act, is backed by a convoluted argument. When if ever has this happened, and what where the results?

Really it comes down to who is being a host of the Spectre, and what was he capable off. The Spectre maybe accessing greater level of power (on its own ) but, but how that power is manifested is dependent on the host. Sounds familiar huh?

Originally posted by "Id"
The Presence empowering the Spectre to do his act, is backed by a convoluted argument. When if ever has this happened, and what where the results?

Really it comes down to who is being a host of the Spectre, and what was he capable off. The Spectre maybe accessing greater level of power (on its own ) but, but how that power is manifested is dependent on the host. Sounds familiar huh?

Pretty much what I've been saying... PM bro with that Avenger stuff or info

Originally posted by Blight
Iiiiiii get it now!! Like if the presence wanted Ambush Bug or Aunt may to tool superman then they could. Irwin gets the job done against top tiers anyways...