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It sounds like he's a strawman crudely constructed from the mud and plaster of libertarian talking points.

Its sad the substance of his points is lost because of a lame soundbite

I think we should make it a right for everyone to have an iPhone. Imagine what will happen to Apple's stocks!

indeed, that was clearly the real content of his statement

Um, sounds like everything he's saying is quite reasonable. Not entirely dissimilar to how Finland made broadband a legal right.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I think we should make it a right for everyone to have an iPhone. Imagine what will happen to Apple's stocks!

So, assuming you're being sarcastic, why do you want it to be illegal for some people to have an iPhone?

I'm not sure that changing the constitution to guarantee, as a right, education/housing/etc is the best way to go about things, but government does sort of exist as the only social structure in most nation-states equipped to deal with issues like education and homelessness. It is certainly not inappropriate for him to bring up the responsibility the state may have to the people it is supposed to represent...

Is it possible for black politicians to not be moronically naive?

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So, assuming you're being sarcastic, why do you want it to be illegal for some people to have an iPhone?

There's a difference between making it "mandatory" for every student, just having the right to purchase one or not, and being illegal.

The first two are different degrees of legal. The last one is illegal.

Also, I think this offering stuff is just legalized communism. I prefer something more free and less taxed, obviously.

I would LOVE to transfer 1/2 of our defense budget to our education system, though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I think this offering stuff is just legalized communism. I prefer something more free and less taxed, obviously.
Legalized communism? I think that's a pretty strange way of putting it. There's nothing "illegal" about communism, it is simply not the system our government employs. If we started passing communist programs it could mostly be fit in within the current legal framework.

It would be decried of course. America ain't no nation of Reds.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Legalized communism? I think that's a pretty strange way of putting it.

Well, that's my bad as I didn't think I needed to explain that. Check this out: in America, "communism" is a bad word and most people try to avoid it like the plague. It is looked down up in America soooooooo much that some 'mericans think it is illegal.

Legally forcing communism on people would be "legalized communism."

It's a term you hear in conservatard land, quite a bit.



Originally posted by King Kandy
If we started passing communist programs it could mostly be fit in within the current legal framework.

Making it legal communism.

We already have forms communism is America...just some people choose to ignore it. This includes what I think is Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism.


Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It would be decried of course. America ain't no nation of Reds.

See, this guy got it.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I am trolling

You moronic troll!

Originally posted by dadudemon

I would LOVE to transfer 1/2 of our defense budget to our education system, though.

Then who will keep us safe? You!? Hahahahahahaaahhhahahahahahahahhaaaahahahahahhahah
aahahahaaahhaaaa. Ha.

Obama is proposing military cuts in his alternative to the republican budget plan. The first sensible thing i've heard from him in forever.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We already have forms communism is America...just some people choose to ignore it. This includes what I think is Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism.

Such as?

Originally posted by skekUng
Such as?
If you'd like to know the answer to this question, please PM me.

Until then, I will not address it in the open forum unless you create a thread just for this.

You publically asserted your belief on this matter. I have told you in the past that I am not interested in being your pal or having PM conversations with you, where your behavior and attitudes towards me can proceed un-moderated. If you need a thread to follow through on your public statements, then there is no need to bring them into this thread if you're of the opinion that it is off-topic or might derail the thread, in the first place.

Sounds a bit daft this one.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We already have forms communism is America...just some people choose to ignore it. This includes what I think is Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism.

We have aspects of it, yes, but if you go digging around I would be surprised if there was any economic philosophy that didn't have pieces of other ones in it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
We have aspects of it, yes, but if you go digging around I would be surprised if there was any economic philosophy that didn't have pieces of other ones in it.

That was pretty much my point. People don't like to think that about "America" but there is pretty much a "sprinkle" of many political philosophies in many different things we do...including the naughty ones like "socialism" or forms of 20th Century communism.

The deeper meaning behind the Stalinism was more of a commentary on the semi-conspiritorial "eliminating" enemies that America has experienced in the past. We are not a "clean" nation of perfect righteousness. Sure, we didn't eliminate our enemies on level with Stalin's millions, but we certainly are not clean-nosed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sure, we didn't eliminate our enemies on level with Stalin's millions,
Well, except for all the native Americans.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, except for all the native Americans.

AHA!

I was talking more about "political" enemies, but "country vision" enemies work, as well.

Do you mean Manifest Destiny?

Originally posted by skekUng
Do you mean Manifest Destiny?

No, that's not what I meant.

But it would be part of what I meant.

There's more than Native Americans that were trampled by the US government in the process of maintaining or establishing.


"country vision" is in quotes to distance myself from the concept.

Oh, I just assumed it was in quotations because you made up a concept that already had a term to describe it.

Originally posted by skekUng
Oh, I just assumed it was in quotations because you made up a concept that already had a term to describe it.



That much was pretty damn obvious...and wrong.

Are you under the impression that manifest destiny had only to do with native americans?

Originally posted by skekUng
Are you under the impression that manifest destiny had only to do with native americans?

Are you under the impression that I assumed that Manifest Destiny only had to do with the Native Americans? Or were the Native Americans brought up by someone else and Manifest Destiny was only a small portion of my actual point?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you under the impression that I assumed that Manifest Destiny only had to do with the Native Americans? Or were the Native Americans brought up by someone else and Manifest Destiny was only a small portion of my actual point?

No fair, I asked first.