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Has there ever been an instance in Anime where a character states that he can do something but failed to do it? This incident cannot involve plot.

Example...Frieza tried to destroy planet Namek but before this attempt, he was hit by the spirit bomb and admitted that he depleted himself of all his power while trying to escape.

This thread isn't about boasting. Boasting and Hyperbole are 2 different things and ALL characters boast but it doesn't discredit their power levels.

The moral of this thread is to see if Hyperbole exist in Anime.

Of course there is. There's countless times when someone says they or someone else can do something but then never does anything of the stated level or even near it.

Actually buying their own hyperbole and trying to move faster than light when they can't or trying to blow up a planet when they can't is a lot rarer- they know what they can actually do roughly, after all.

So if a anime character say they can move at light or destroy a planet... would you take it at face value or would you discredit the statement?

Boasting.

Boasting is kind of different when you have someone shooting a blast and stating that his blast is capable of destroying a planet. That's giving us the "only" description of how powerful the attack is that this character shot. We have no other way of determining how powerful this blast is so why call it boasting when the character KNOWS how much power he is putting behind his blast.

If ^ is the top of a verse full of high-hypersonic and country busting people then its probably true.

Unless shown or strongly hinted to, all that gives is a possible potential and a general idea of what they can or may be able to do.

Strong hint is character A stating that he can blow up a continent, then blows up a mountain with ''not even a fraction of his power.'' Can assume he's being literal.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If ^ is the top of a verse full of high-hypersonic and country busting people then its probably true.

Unless shown or strongly hinted to, all that gives is a possible potential and a general idea of what they can or may be able to do.

Strong hint is character A stating that he can blow up a continent, then blows up a mountain with ''not even a fraction of his power.'' Can assume he's being literal.

But what if said character lives off of a power chart? Kind of like DBZ and YuYu along with bleach and other character. Its kind of different comparing them to U.S comics because with anime, you HAVE to be more powerful in order to create more damage than someone that is inferior. Now in U.S. comics, you actually have some less powerful beings being capable of dishing out far more energy out. Example, Surfer has casually destroyed planets but even though Thanos doesn't have these showings, he is still more powerful. These rules doesn't apply to anime so again, if a weaker character is able to shed a planet, why not believe a stronger character could destroy a sun if we actually go by the power chart in anime?

Originally posted by carver9
So if a anime character say they can move at light or destroy a planet... would you take it at face value or would you discredit the statement?

If they've never done something similar of scale and never do the whatever, it's generally hyperbole.


For example, take Negima. One bit... well, it's not so much hyperbole as simple error, but Chamo says Negi in lightning mode moves as fast as a lightning bolt and gives their speed, but as we see it in real action, it's clear that while a lot faster than normal, it's not that fast. Chamo was simply wrong and probably not taking into account that even with lightning form on, Negi has a lot more mass than a real lightning bolt, it's just a partial transformation.

Or One Piece, when Sengoku talked about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. That's certainly hyperbole, as the quake-quake fruit has never shown more than island busting (and even then, the island it hits was shaken and damaged, not destroyed). At most, he could've been talking about destroying the world in the "World government represents the world," sense, or in the "can go around and destroy all civilization on any island he could reach if so inclined," sense, but the planet as a whole is most definitely safe.




If a show has people who are only high-hypersonic and country busting, and someone claims lightspeed and planet busting without doing either, then unless everyone else combined is absolutely nothing to them in a fight, it's false.

Neither hypersonic nor country busting are within 0.1% of lightspeed and planet busting, after all.

Thanos and Drax fighting physically destroyed a planet actually.

Just saying man.

I AM JUST SAYING.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thanos and Drax fighting physically destroyed a planet actually.

Just saying man.

I AM JUST SAYING.



I get what you are saying (it was actually a planetoid) but that was a shared feat. Drax rambed Thanos and the bottom half of the planet busted open. Surfer has actually powered up and destroyed a planet and he has also destroyed one with a blast.

Thanos doesn't share those feats.

A damn good feat given that was Thanos's weakest form, too.

High-hypersonic that borders on relativistic I meant. Should have said where on the hypersonic range. If even the lower heroes can do that then its not a stretch that the big bad can do what he says.

Originally posted by BloodRain
High-hypersonic that borders on relativistic I meant. Should have said where on the hypersonic range. If even the lower heroes can do that then its not a stretch that the big bad can do what he says.

Well, here's a thing: Almost nothing in manga 'borders on relativistic'.

Single-digit mach is pretty normal for the big shounen fight manga. A high-speed series tends to be in the 20-30 mach range. Some more-so.



Mach 500 isn't remotely near relativistic.

Originally posted by Q99
If they've never done something similar of scale and never do the whatever, it's generally hyperbole.


For example, take Negima. One bit... well, it's not so much hyperbole as simple error, but Chamo says Negi in lightning mode moves as fast as a lightning bolt and gives their speed, but as we see it in real action, it's clear that while a lot faster than normal, it's not that fast. Chamo was simply wrong and probably not taking into account that even with lightning form on, Negi has a lot more mass than a real lightning bolt, it's just a partial transformation.

Or One Piece, when Sengoku talked about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. That's certainly hyperbole, as the quake-quake fruit has never shown more than island busting (and even then, the island it hits was shaken and damaged, not destroyed). At most, he could've been talking about destroying the world in the "World government represents the world," sense, or in the "can go around and destroy all civilization on any island he could reach if so inclined," sense, but the planet as a whole is most definitely safe.




If a show has people who are only high-hypersonic and country busting, and someone claims lightspeed and planet busting without doing either, then unless everyone else combined is absolutely nothing to them in a fight, it's false.

Neither hypersonic nor country busting are within 0.1% of lightspeed and planet busting, after all.

That's kind of different than an object being given a power level. Example... during Goku and Vegeta fight during the Saiyan saga Vegeta blast was stated as being planet busting. Would consider that Hyperbole? Another example... Ichigo being trapped by an attack that was stated as being capable of warping time and space... would you consider that Hyperbole? Or Yu Yu shooting a blast that was stated as being planet busting?

Someone being stated that he could destroy the world can mean a thousand things and we really wouldn't know how he would destroy it but if someone said that they have enough power to shed a world, that's kind of different imo involving anime characters... epecially Anime characters that live off of power scaling.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, here's a thing: Almost nothing in manga 'borders on relativistic'.

Single-digit mach is pretty normal for the big shounen fight manga. A high-speed series tends to be in the 20-30 mach range. Some more-so.



Mach 500 isn't remotely near relativistic.
Thats all well and good, but Im talking about a hypothetical verse where characters are of that speed for the hypothetical question he gave.

Originally posted by carver9
That's kind of different than an object being given a power level. Example... during Goku and Vegeta fight during the Saiyan saga Vegeta blast was stated as being planet busting. Would consider that Hyperbole?

We know moon busting has been done before, and we know stronger characters definitely could.

At most he's exaggerating a little. He might not be talking "make the planet explode," but he can definitely kill the surface if he wants to. So it might or might not be hyperbole.




Bleach has space warping abilities. No reason to think someone claiming a known ability is hyperbole.



That, on the other hand, is probably hyperbole, because even the biggest, most destructive moves seen don't do that much damage. Planets are big and tough things.




I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say there. Could you re-phrase that?



Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats all well and good, but Im talking about a hypothetical verse where characters are of that speed for the hypothetical question he gave.

If a capability is only moderately above existing ones, then it's probably not hyperbole (but still could be, as some characters do exaggerate).

Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Originally posted by BloodRain
Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Honestly DBZ suffers from "fragile planetoid syndrome."

Nothing they do except moons and planets does damage comparable to what they do to moons and planets. And Roshi blowing up the moon so early on really throws off the scaling in the series.

Especially how at full power he was shocked when he destroyed that mountain.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Could be but a more likely its true.

On the Vegeta/Earth thing, not too sure. Earths only 80x the Moons mass, with the strength difference of him and Roshi he should be able to destroy us all. Thought DBZ's weird like that..

Yeah, but when you get into the the sextillion-septillion range, an increase in mass by a factor of 80 is a very huge one.

That said, I also believe that Vegeta could at the very least have destroyed all life on Earth with that attack, but it's weird how attacks that overpower 'planet/solar system busting' attacks do not cause such devastation.
Originally posted by carver9
The moral of this thread is to see if Hyperbole exist in Anime.

Hyperbole can exist anywhere, even in manga/anime.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, but when you get into the the sextillion-septillion range, an increase in mass by a factor of 80 is a very huge one.
Not for Vegeta its not uhuh

But yeah, its messed up.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, but when you get into the the sextillion-septillion range, an increase in mass by a factor of 80 is a very huge one.

That said, I also believe that Vegeta could at the very least have destroyed all life on Earth with that attack, but it's weird how attacks that overpower 'planet/solar system busting' attacks do not cause such devastation.


Hyperbole can exist anywhere, even in manga/anime.

You can't always base things off of collateral damage because if that was the case, Superman wouldn't be a city buster since him and Darkseid fought in a barn and caused no damage to it. Thanos wouldn't have the power to shed a city , let alone a country since him and Thor was going all out in a room and nothing was destroyed. The explosion from DBZ blast is the main focul point, not the length of the hole that it creates from a power struggle.

Going by that logic, Galactus would be a mere weakling since he went all out against Tenebrous and Aegis and the planet didn't suffer any type of damage (the planet they were fighting on).

Originally posted by carver9
Going by that logic, Galactus would be a mere weakling since he went all out against Tenebrous and Aegis and the planet didn't suffer any type of damage (the planet they were fighting on).
Um.. except Galactus has TONS of feats of destroying planets (its what he does). If it was only the Tenebrous/Aegis fight we had to go by, then it would just be hyperbole.

If you cant breath in space being a planet buster must be quite annoying. Cant go all out :/

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um.. except Galactus has TONS of feats of destroying planets (its what he does). If it was only the Tenebrous/Aegis fight we had to go by, then it would just be hyperbole. This. Forever this.

The inherent difference between DBZ and shit like Galactus or Superman, is that we have SEEN them destroy what they are claimed to, we have seen a weak Galactus destroy three solar systems easily.

We have never seen anything beyond planet busting in DBZ.

^Didn't Buu do destruction on a larger scale then a planet? Can't recall the particular scene too well.

Originally posted by carver9
You can't always base things off of collateral damage because if that was the case, Superman wouldn't be a city buster since him and Darkseid fought in a barn and caused no damage to it. Thanos wouldn't have the power to shed a city , let alone a country since him and Thor was going all out in a room and nothing was destroyed. The explosion from DBZ blast is the main focul point, not the length of the hole that it creates from a power struggle.

Going by that logic, Galactus would be a mere weakling since he went all out against Tenebrous and Aegis and the planet didn't suffer any type of damage (the planet they were fighting on).

Okay, I fully understand what you are saying, and this is what I have to say:
Does the Kamehameha explode, and if it does, has it ever exploded with a wide enough radius to envelop a Solar System? If it does not explode, Cell was engaging in hyperbole when he said his Kamehameha could destroy the Solar System.

And as a side-note, Galactus is a proven Planet Buster, and has a bunch of feats proving it. Characters that state they can do something/have X level of power, but never really prove it, are engaging in hyperbole. If sufficient evidence exists whereby we can conclude that they weren't engaging in hyperbole, then yeah.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not for Vegeta its not uhuh


Naturally...It's freakin' Vegeta.
Goku obviously is a different story, as is everyone else. awesome

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um.. except Galactus has TONS of feats of destroying planets (its what he does). If it was only the Tenebrous/Aegis fight we had to go by, then it would just be hyperbole.

So you don't think Tenebrous and Aegis could destroy a planet? Think wisely before anwering that. You don't always have to base things off of feats because feats isn't be all rule all... sometimes you have to look past feats. I think Doomsday could destroy the fantastic four head quarters with a single punch, don't you? Do you think Thanos could blast a planet to dust because he sure as hell doesn't have the feats? Do you think Darkseid could toss a mountain? I can go on for days. Depowered Tyrant never destroyed a planet so do you think he could?

Now when we look at common sense. A character at a power level of 100 destroying a moon and then compare him to someone who is trillions of times more powerful than him... that's when common sense comes into place.

Of course Akira wouldn't have Cell destroy the solar system, that would have been the end of DBZ but again, Cell is millions of times more powerful than Roshi.


Let's not turn this into a DBZ thread.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Okay, I fully understand what you are saying, and this is what I have to say:
Does the Kamehameha explode, and if it does, has it ever exploded with a wide enough radius to envelop a Solar System? If it does not explode, Cell was engaging in hyperbole when he said his Kamehameha could destroy the Solar System.

And as a side-note, Galactus is a proven Planet Buster, and has a bunch of feats proving it. Characters that state they can do something/have X level of power, but never really prove it, are engaging in hyperbole. If sufficient evidence exists whereby we can conclude that they weren't engaging in hyperbole, then yeah.



Naturally...It's freakin' Vegeta.
Goku obviously is a different story, as is everyone else. awesome

The kamehameha has exploded numerous of times and it the kamehameha has been stated by true power level readers as having enough force to wipe a planet clean from the solar system. Roshi kamehameha exploded to destroy the moon.

Galactus have proven it but numerous of other characters doesn't share feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Has there ever been an instance in Anime where a character states that he can do something but failed to do it? This incident cannot involve plot.

In Bleach, Yammy told Byakuya and Kenpachi that the more angry he got, the more powerful he would become and would humiliate them. Later on, the two soul reapers returned to the soul society and Kenpachi stated that the fight was "boring as f***." The next scene showed Yammy lying on the ground, looking like he was the one who got humiliated

Originally posted by carver9
So you don't think Tenebrous and Aegis could destroy a planet? Think wisely before anwering that.

You're missing the point. If all we had to go on that fight, then it'd be safe to assume none of them could planet bust.

But "matching a foe who has been shown repeatedly to be able to do something," is good reason for believability on being able to do that thing.


If you have characters of equal level who claim planet-busting but only do stuff like the G v A&T fight, hyperbole makes a lot more sense. One of 'em actually puts their money where their mouth is and it makes sense for all of them to be telling the truth.





That's not looking past feats at all- they have feats against enemies with high destruction feats.