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Tim Drake and Dick Grayson vs Wolverine H2H only

No weapons
No healing
No adamantium Skeleton
No bone claws

Only thing wolverine has is his Stamina as a mutant.

Does Dick have his standard gear like his electric knuckle dusters?

Pure h2h, Wolverine should win. Despite being significantly larger and stronger (dudes biceps are as large around as either of their waists), but he is also faster and more skilled. Even without the added weight of adamantium a clean blow to the right area from Logan should incapacitate or kill either of them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Does Dick have his standard gear like his electric knuckle dusters?

Pure h2h, Wolverine should win. Despite being significantly larger and stronger (dudes biceps are as large around as either of their waists), but he is also faster and more skilled. Even without the added weight of adamantium a clean blow to the right area from Logan should incapacitate or kill either of them. NO WEAPONS

Team

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Does Dick have his standard gear like his electric knuckle dusters?

Pure h2h, Wolverine should win. Despite being significantly larger and stronger (dudes biceps are as large around as either of their waists), but he is also faster and more skilled. Even without the added weight of adamantium a clean blow to the right area from Logan should incapacitate or kill either of them.
more or less what I was thinking. He more skilled then either and physically superior with greater damage soak.

not sure if anyone understood the part of all he has extra as a mutant is his stamina. His speed and strength is the same as an average human. He has his agility and Fighting skills and his stamina, thats it.

Originally posted by chomperx9
not sure if anyone understood the part of all he has extra as a mutant is his stamina. His speed and strength is the same as an average human. He has his agility and Fighting skills and his stamina, thats it.

so the only abilities he keeps are his agility stamina and fighting skills and all other abilities is that of a normal human.

Why do you even bother making threads like this?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
so the only abilities he keeps are his agility stamina and fighting skills and all other abilities is that of a normal human.

Why do you even bother making threads like this? making it 100% H2H, why is that so hard to understand ? its comparing the fighters fighting skills against another, would it have made more sense to give him his healing and adamantium against the 2 ? NO

Just making it more fair.

Sure he can take them one on one without his Healing and the rest of the stuff i removed. But against the 2 He would have one hell of a day with their fighting skills and their agility, handling them both at the same time.

Originally posted by chomperx9
not sure if anyone understood the part of all he has extra as a mutant is his stamina. His speed and strength is the same as an average human. He has his agility and Fighting skills and his stamina, thats it.

His strength and speed aren't a mutant power, they are simply a byproduct of a mutant power. His healing factor repairs tears in his muscles instantly and each time his muscles heal, they heal stronger then before, just like a real human but at a much, much, much more accelerated rate. With his healing factor disabled, he would be as strong and fast as he is now until his body regulated it's self to standard levels after a few months because it would be physically impossible to maintain that physical under normal conditions without a healing factor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His strength and speed aren't a mutant power, they are simply a byproduct of a mutant power. His healing factor repairs tears in his muscles instantly and each time his muscles heal, they heal stronger then before, just like a real human but at a much, much, much more accelerated rate. With his healing factor disabled, he would be as strong and fast as he is now until his body regulated it's self to standard levels after a few months because it would be physically impossible to maintain that physical under normal conditions without a healing factor. I know his strength and speed are not a mutant power, I just removed his higher strength and speed to make it more fair, or else he could one shot them.

Fair enough.

I guess it will depend on what happesn after Tim puts the boots to Cass if people decide that means he has got a massive skill boost... or realise that what I have been saying for the past couple of years about Cass only beat Shiva because of CIS was right and she doesn't deserver her esteme as a martial artist.

Originally posted by chomperx9
making it 100% H2H, why is that so hard to understand ? its comparing the fighters fighting skills against another, would it have made more sense to give him his healing and adamantium against the 2 ? NO

Just making it more fair.

Sure he can take them one on one without his Healing and the rest of the stuff i removed. But against the 2 He would have one hell of a day with their fighting skills and their agility, handling them both at the same time.
edit, not going to bother, your not worth it.

Dude, srank is a comicbook prophet!

Robins.

The robin team

Originally posted by long pig
Dude, srank is a comicbook prophet!

Hehehe.

What do you think will happen in the up coming fight between Cass and Tim in Red Robin? The last time they met in his book he was fellating his ego with suggestions of superiority.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin


Pure h2h, Wolverine should win. Despite being significantly larger and stronger (dudes biceps are as large around as either of their waists), but he is also faster and more skilled. Even without the added weight of adamantium a clean blow to the right area from Logan should incapacitate or kill either of them. yeah, despite even adamantium logan never killing anyone with a punch right

team pwns logan

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, despite even adamantium logan never killing anyone with a punch right

team pwns logan

He has. He's even accidentally broken someones neck while holding back...

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, despite even adamantium logan never killing anyone with a punch right

team pwns logan
Wolverine has stated on pannel and has killed people in single attack before. Even punch through werewolves face through back of it skull.


So as usual, your
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wolverine has stated on pannel and has killed people in single attack before. Even punch through werewolves face through back of it skull.


So as usual, your
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY I said he never killed someone with a punch

show me a scan of him killing someone with a punch

offpanel means jack

you're wrong as usual

Oh brucie when will you learn? Never is most likely.

I have work and don't have time for this nonsense, hopefully Srank will feel inclined to put you in your place. If not after work I will do so. because as usual your
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

you work on a sunday? what do you do?

edit: nm, you prob meant school work.

edit2: regardless, srank's comment was pretty ridiculous...no way logan one shots or kills two top tier MAs

Originally posted by Starscream M
you work on a sunday? what do you do?

edit: nm, you prob meant school work.

edit2: regardless, srank's comment was pretty ridiculous...no way logan one shots or kills two top tier MAs

He has one shotted Crossbones (who has higher durability/damage soak than either the Robins), and already shown the ability to kill humans with a single punch. MA skill (and neither Dick nor Tim are top tier MAs btw), doesn't negate the fact that they have human durability, and Logan is strong enough to tare them apart like tissue paper.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has one shotted Crossbones (who has higher durability/damage soak than either the Robins), and already shown the ability to kill humans with a single punch. MA skill (and neither Dick nor Tim are top tier MAs btw), doesn't negate the fact that they have human durability, and Logan is strong enough to tare them apart like tissue paper. dick and tim certainly know how to roll with punches...so logan will have no shot at KOing them with a single hit.

Going with the team

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has one shotted Crossbones (who has higher durability/damage soak than either the Robins), and already shown the ability to kill humans with a single punch. MA skill (and neither Dick nor Tim are top tier MAs btw), doesn't negate the fact that they have human durability, and Logan is strong enough to tare them apart like tissue paper. Dick is top tier, youre just jealous.

Originally posted by Mindset
Dick is top tier, youre just jealous.


And Tim is straight up Trans.


God these guys are fanboys.

Originally posted by Mindset
Dick is top tier, youre just jealous.

A top tier runner up candidate for top tier perhaps...

Originally posted by Starscream M
dick and tim certainly know how to roll with punches...so logan will have no shot at KOing them with a single hit.

I know how to roll with punches too, I guess Wolverine can't one shot me either!

Originally posted by Martian_mind
And Tim is straight up Trans.


God these guys are fanboys.

I don't think logan would be able to hit them

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wolverine has stated on pannel and has killed people in single attack before. Even punch through werewolves face through back of it skull.


So as usual, your
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY I have that comic he needed silver to do that.

considering how handicapped wolverine is and that it is a 2 v 1, I'd go with the team. However, wolverine is a better fighter than either of them individually, imo

Robins

Dick IMO would give him a run for his money solo with these stips. Adding Tim makes this a comfortable win for the team.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Does Dick have his standard gear like his electric knuckle dusters?

Pure h2h, Wolverine should win. Despite being significantly larger and stronger (dudes biceps are as large around as either of their waists), but he is also faster and more skilled. Even without the added weight of adamantium a clean blow to the right area from Logan should incapacitate or kill either of them.

without his healing would he be as strong?
just asking

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, despite even adamantium logan never killing anyone with a punch right

team pwns logan

Omega level fail. That's what we all love about you, keep it comin'

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Omega level fail. That's what we all love about you, keep it comin' really...show me a scan of logan killing a man with a punch then.

Logan can kill normal human with a punch easilly. The thing is Dick is no normal human.

Originally posted by Starscream M
really...show me a scan of logan killing a man with a punch then.

Classic X-Men - Wolverine says to Nighcrawler (who has enhanced durability) that if he really hit him, he'd be a goner.

MCP, Wolverine v2 - numerous references to Logan's formidable striking power.

X-Force annual - srank already mentioned that - Logan accidentally breaks HYDRA agent's neck. He stabs one and rips off his head in the process, too.

Wolverine v3 - adamantiumless Logan punching some soldier so hard that his skin and ribs break. Not sure if he died, though.

X-Men and Spider-Man - Wolverine punches a hole through Creed.

etc.

And silver just prevents Werewolves from healing, it doesn't make them less durable, as far as I know

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Classic X-Men - Wolverine says to Nighcrawler (who has enhanced durability) that if he really hit him, he'd be a goner.

MCP, Wolverine v2 - numerous references to Logan's formidable striking power.

look, I know he can kill an average person with his punch

but my point is he's never killed a semi-skilled person with a mere punch

Originally posted by godking
I have that comic he needed silver to do that.

Wolverine needed silver to make sure punching through it's head would result in a fatality, but not to accomplish the feat of punching through it's head. Werewolves aren't vampires, they don't burn at the touch of silver, they just can't heal wounds created by silver weapons. Silver is the Werewolf equivalent of the Muramasa blade, it creates wounds that are outside the purview of a Werewolves healing factor, but it's touch alone is inconsequential.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Classic X-Men - Wolverine says to Nighcrawler (who has enhanced durability) that if he really hit him, he'd be a goner.

MCP, Wolverine v2 - numerous references to Logan's formidable striking power.

X-Force annual - srank already mentioned that - Logan accidentally breaks HYDRA agent's neck. He stabs one and rips off his head in the process, too.

Wolverine v3 - adamantiumless Logan punching some soldier so hard that his skin and ribs break. Not sure if he died, though.

X-Men and Spider-Man - Wolverine punches a hole through Creed.

etc.

And silver just prevents Werewolves from healing, it doesn't make them less durable, as far as I know

He's also one shotted Spider-man.

Originally posted by godking
I have that comic he needed silver to do that.
which does not do anything other then stop the werewolf from healing.

they win hard and logan's class 1 strengh isnt enough to tear them apart. as peak humans, hell, as named characters they are already too tough for that. batfamily damage soak is formidable

Class two strength is more than strong enough to rip apart Dick or Tim once if he got his hands on them if he was so inclined. Wolverine has ripped the limbs of demons, punched through Werewolves (and Sabretooth, who's muscles have been described as being akin to corded steel), kicked the heads off humans in robotic armor and shown the strength to break necks with his grip alone several times. Now his strength has been negated for this thread, but don't kid yourself, if it wasn't he would be more than strong enough to "tear them apart."

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Class two strength is more than strong enough to rip apart Dick or Tim once if he got his hands on them if he was so inclined. Wolverine has ripped the limbs of demons, punched through Werewolves (and Sabretooth, who's muscles have been described as being akin to corded steel), kicked the heads off humans in robotic armor and shown the strength to break necks with his grip alone several times. Now his strength has been negated for this thread, but don't kid yourself, if it wasn't he would be more than strong enough to "tear them apart." he punched through sabertooth without his claws? and ST wasnt pinned against anything? ludicrous

fodder demon limbs are extremely underhelming. logan aint strong enough to rip peak humans to pieces in battle. this is absurd

Is Logan a casual class 2?

Originally posted by 753
he punched through sabertooth without his claws? and ST wasnt pinned against anything? ludicrous

fodder demon limbs are extremely underhelming. logan aint strong enough to rip peak humans to pieces in battle. this is absurd

No. He did use the claws. But please, don't make it sound like he just made a hole through him via claws only.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. He did use the claws. But please, don't make it sound like he just made a hole through him via claws only. strengh counts of course, but it is not enough to claim he can rip peak humans to pieces.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Is Logan a casual class 2? no, he is a struggling class 1, if that. officially his strength is around 800 lbs or so.

What are Logan's best pure strength feats, with and without adamantium? And are they displayed as pretty consistent or Logan digging down deep or something?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What are Logan's best pure strength feats, with and without adamantium? And are they displayed as pretty consistent or Logan digging down deep or something? very inconsistent and highly speculative

he tossed a small shark and lifted a garbage can

Originally posted by Starscream M
very inconsistent and highly speculative

he tossed a small shark and lifted a garbage can
why do you constantly talk out your ass. He far from inconsistent in strength.


Shark was not small. Dont listen to masterbruce nonsense.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What are Logan's best pure strength feats, with and without adamantium? And are they displayed as pretty consistent or Logan digging down deep or something?


Wolverine has supported the weight of an elevator with one arm until the cable snapped. He has casually carried the Hulk (1040lbs) around multiple times. He has grabbed Dragonman (6400lbs) by the tail and swung him around like a rag doll. He has supported the weight of a dozen full grown mercenaries and ran with them through a wall. He has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a Concert Grand Piano on his back (1000-1400lbs). He has climbed a mountain with a moose (1200-1500 lbs) slung over his shoulder. He has tossed a shark out of the middle of the ocean unto a fishing boat while swimming with no leverage (he has also wrestled multiple sharks).

The only time he has tried and failed to lift something is when he wa trabbed under a tree that was transmuted into solid gold.

Originally posted by 753
he punched through sabertooth without his claws? and ST wasnt pinned against anything? ludicrous

fodder demon limbs are extremely underhelming. logan aint strong enough to rip peak humans to pieces in battle. this is absurd

Even "fodder" demons are above the human potential. Wolverine can and has ripped apart humans, and he has ripped apart beings above the limitations of human.

Originally posted by Starscream M
lifted a garbage can hahahahahahaha

Robins i'm thinking.