Graviton vs Superman

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Nihilist
who wins ?

Black bolt z
Graviton

psycho gundam
no

carver9
This match isn't going to turn out to good for Supes. I wonder who would win out of Graviton and Magneto.

dmills
Graviton

Caps Conscience
Supes should win this.

Uriel005
IIRC Graviton had a range limit on his powers and IIRC his powers stop concussive force not heat vision and it takes a bit of time for him to amp up to his truly great levels of pressure on someone. Supes flies outside of range and heat visions him to death.

chomperx9
Originally posted by carver9
This match isn't going to turn out to good for Supes. I wonder who would win out of Graviton and Magneto. already made a thread for that.

And supes better make a move before graviton does.

Hyperion Prime
Graviton may actually win this!!!!!! Especially if he increases Supermans mass 100%

Uriel005
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Graviton may actually win this!!!!!! Especially if he increases Supermans mass 100% unless you mean to say by affecting the universal constant he is increasing supermans mass by a couple trillion percent you are wrong... 100 % increase in gravity does nothing to superman.

batdude123
Graviton gets beaten harder than a porn star's vagina.

thanos-prime
Graviton stomps. :I

Sr J-Bieb
If Extremis Iron Man can run a train on Graviton, then Superman clearly can't.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Extremis Iron Man can run a train on Graviton, then Superman clearly can't.

Obv.

batdude123
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Extremis Iron Man can run a train on Graviton, then Superman clearly can't.

Yeah, but Iron Man >>>>> Superman.

Everybody knows that.

Badabing
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Graviton may actually win this!!!!!! Especially if he increases Supermans mass 100% So Superman will have trouble going from 225 lbs to 450 lbs? ermm

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by Badabing
So Superman will have trouble going from 225 lbs to 450 lbs? ermm

LOL yeah I wasn't thinking when I posted that

Badabing
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
LOL yeah I wasn't thinking when I posted that I figured. laughing out loud

psycho gundam
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Simbon
Graviton generally loses by losing control of his own powers; Supes needs to win via speed blitz at the start, and as the stips did not turn CIS off, I think he will lose this badly.

carver9
Originally posted by Uriel005
unless you mean to say by affecting the universal constant he is increasing supermans mass by a couple trillion percent you are wrong... 100 % increase in gravity does nothing to superman.

Hhhmmm... didn't starman drop KC Supes by increasing his mass a 100 folds. He fought through it later on and flew off but the point is.. it dropped him. Now imagine what Graviton would do.

I don't know the difference between AS Supes and regular Supes but he had to build a device that allowed him to walk through 10 times Earth gravity.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Hhhmmm... didn't starman drop KC Supes by increasing his mass a 100 folds. He fought through it later on and flew off but the point is.. it dropped him. Now imagine what Graviton would do.

I don't know the difference between AS Supes and regular Supes but he had to build a device that allowed him to walk through 10 times Earth gravity.

Neither AS or KC Superman are the same character, so you can't really use that as an example.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman would get his ass kicked pretty hard the first time around. Follow up battles would be interesting.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
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Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks. I heard he fought Iron Man a few times before the break out. Was he depowered? Why did he try and fight him like a brick?

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks. I heard he fought Iron Man a few times before the break out. Was he depowered? Why did he try and fight him like a brick? Not that I remember, and loleyedunno

It was during the "OMG TONY IS SO POWERFUL WITH EXTREMIS" time, if that explains it. Haven't read it in a long time.

Mindset
How does Superman handle gravity?

I've never seen him overcome it.

Graviton 10/10.

Simbon
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks. I heard he fought Iron Man a few times before the break out. Was he depowered? Why did he try and fight him like a brick?

Yeah, he was depowered from brain damage -- not surprising, really, given his difficulty controlling his powers in the past.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not that I remember, and loleyedunno

It was during the "OMG TONY IS SO POWERFUL WITH EXTREMIS" time, if that explains it.

That's a horrible showing for Graviton. Not power wise but in terms of intelligence. Trying to power his way through a Uni-Beam and shit when he can just crush Iron Man with a flick of his wrist is silly.

Decent showing for his durability though. He was always capable of increasing his physical capabilities by doing something-something to his molecules. Iron Man was also being pushed as borderline Top Tier at that point IIRC.

SamZED
Does anyone remember where's that fight from? I mean the Iron Man one.

Philosophía
Lawlz @ Graviton being anything more than a villain of the week for a guy who bathes in blackholes.

Superman is not Thor, he'd destroy Graviton in anything resembling a confrontation.

celeyhyga17
Superman will most likely plow through Graviton's initial attack.. Clark won't let him have the time to really amp up.

Supes 6.5/10

SamZED

Batman-Prime
Superman 9/10

Black bolt z

batdude123
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Your right. Hes nto as strong.

Lol, wut?

Black bolt z
Originally posted by batdude123
Lol, wut? I see thor as being physically stronger than superman.

Superman has better durability though.

batdude123
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I see thor as being physically stronger than superman.

Except that he isn't. Either going by feats, or direct comparisons/showings.

Philosophía
Even the worst Thor fans like rage don't think he is stronger, and give Superman a slight edge in strength.

But blackbolt z, with his high iq, surely sees something they don't.

batdude123

dmills
Originally posted by batdude123
Except that he isn't. Either going by feats, or direct comparisons/showings.

Direct comparisons? Such as?

dmills

batdude123
Such as the canon to both companies crossover that we aren't allowed to use due to the butthurt uprising on the part of Thor fans.

Black bolt z

dmills
Originally posted by batdude123
Such as the canon to both companies crossover that we aren't allowed to use due to the butthurt uprising on the part of Thor fans. Damn. I never really got into the whole controversy over that crossover. So Marvel did in fact initially consider it Canon?

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by dmills
Damn. I never really got into the whole controversy over that crossover. So Marvel did in fact initially consider it Canon?

In reality I think that is exactly how a fight between Thor and Superman would go down. Just like in the crossover.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Extremis Iron Man can run a train on Graviton, then Superman clearly can't.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wan't that turning his lobotomy time and not as powerful?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I also see superman as more durable so it compensates.
That's like saying that you believe that Earth is the center of the Universe, but not that it's flat so it all evens out. Originally posted by dmills
Damn. I never really got into the whole controversy over that crossover. So Marvel did in fact initially consider it Canon? What initially? It's still canon. It has been referenced in handbooks, but Tom Brevoort has directly said that the reason they haven't had a story like DC continuing directly from JLA/Avengers, is because there wasn't one - as the main plot points, Krona/Cosmic egg and such, was all DC's property.

And you'd have to be an idiot to think Marvel's position is that it's an alternate universe in the first place. You think all the Thor fans are angry because Superman beat Earth 5454 Thor? Or you think all the continuous shit Kurt Busiek and Tom Brevoort get is because of the same reason? Don't be ignorant.

dmills
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
In reality I think that is exactly how a fight between Thor and Superman would go down. Just like in the crossover. I can dig it. Although I don't see Thor getting ktfo like that. Nothing in his history indicates that he'd get chumped like that from a single blow. While on one knee no less lmao!

Black bolt z

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by Black bolt z
That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever heard.

It has absolutely nothing to do with anything...

snicker

dmills

Philosophía
Originally posted by Black bolt z
That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever heard.

It has absolutely nothing to do with anything... Do you look up to Justin Bieber as your dream big brother?

Black bolt z

SamZED
Is it safe to say say Venom > Superman then?

Philosophía
Originally posted by SamZED
Is it safe to say say Venom > Superman then? Because everybody knows that story is in continuity and the writers are still aggresivly harrassed?

Black bolt z

Rage.Of.Olympus

dmills
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why not?

I like how Thor came off looking better than Clark against Professor Hulk though. Pushing him to his very limits while attempting to destroy the surroundings and what not.

DC vs. Marvel is cannon. Referenced in the comics and even stated to be in continuity by the writers. thumb up



This is some hilariously shitty reasoning if you're trying to make the point that I think you are. Clearly Philo is of the opinion that JLA/Avengers is not only canon, but unequivocally so. What's your angle on jla/avengers?

Black bolt z
Edit: Double post

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by dmills
Clearly Philo is of the opinion that JLA/Avengers is not only canon, but unequivocally so. What's your angle on jla/avengers?

Not entirely sure. Do the events of DC vs. Marvel still apply? I'd wager there's a greater chance of it being cannon in the DCU.

I just hope he has more evidence other than it's been referenced in handbooks to support his stance.

To be honest, I think initially it was intended to be a self contained story which is why we had the non current line ups or what have you. Basically Busiek's take on the two worlds. At least that's what my theory.

SamZED

Philosophía
Originally posted by SamZED
But suggesting that the fight was accurate and had both characters fight to their fullest abilities is plain false You're confusing forum fights with comic fights. Just because Superman isn't shown using his speed at its fullest, or Thor doesn't start using some of his more exotic abilities, doesn't make the fight invalid - otherwise we'd dismiss 99.9% of the fights in comics. smile

Allankles
Originally posted by SamZED
Is it safe to say say Venom > Superman then?

Problem with using Venom vs Superman in the anti-crossover argument is that Venom isn't on Supes level. Basically, no one takes that little incident seriously. JLA/Avengers is a different matter, it was written by a writer who knows Thor and Supes intimately and had worked on both characters in their titles.

SamZED

SamZED
Originally posted by Allankles
Problem with using Venom vs Superman in the anti-crossover argument is that Venom isn't on Supes level. Basically, no one takes that little incident seriously. JLA/Avengers is a different matter, it was written by a writer who knows Thor and Supes intimately and had worked on both characters in their titles. There's a simillar problem with Supes/Thor fight imo. In order to do what Supes did he'd have to be leagues above Thor, which going by standart showings he isnt.

Allankles
I think what people underestimate with that fight is the heat vision bombardment Supes gave Thor, which actually damaged him significantly.

If Thor had known how deadly Supes HV is (even without trying to kill his opponent with it) he'd have blocked it with Mjlonir and the fight would have been much closer.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't one shot Thor. He punched Thor 3 times and unleashed his heat vision. Thor punched Superman once, and I guess knocked him off his feet with another blow.

The fight just couldn't get more panel time in such a crossover. Assume it happened mostly off panel if it makes more sense that way.

Thor wouldn't go down that easily nor would Superman be so completely exhausted that fast. He could have dedicated the entire issue to them fighting but it wasn't very logical. Hence it was brief, but intense a fight between near equals. Superman even admitted he just barely beat Thor. Based on JLA/Avengers as a whole, Superman has the edge in strength and is faster with Thor being more powerful as well as versatile.

Originally posted by Allankles
Problem with using Venom vs Superman in the anti-crossover argument is that Venom isn't on Supes level. Basically, no one takes that little incident seriously. JLA/Avengers is a different matter, it was written by a writer who knows Thor and Supes intimately and had worked on both characters in their titles.

Lol?

Juntai
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't one shot Thor. He punched Thor 3 times and unleashed his heat vision. Thor punched Superman once, and I guess knocked him off his feet with another blow.

The fight just couldn't get more panel time in such a crossover. Assume it happened mostly off panel if it makes more sense that way.

Thor wouldn't go down that easily nor would Superman be so completely exhausted that fast. He could have dedicated the entire issue to them fighting but it wasn't very logical. Hence it was brief, but intense a fight between near equals. Superman even admitted he just barely beat Thor. Based on JLA/Avengers as a whole, Superman has the edge in strength and is faster with Thor being more powerful as well as versatile.



Lol? What's the lol? Busiek wrote Avengers for several years, then went on to write JLA for a decent period as well. That's the timeframe the story was written in.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Juntai
What's the lol? Busiek wrote Avengers for several years, then went on to write JLA for a decent period as well. That's the timeframe the story was written in.

On Busiek having intimate knowledge on Thor and writing his title.

Horrible characterization at times and power levels? Well, losing to Superman is probably Busiek Thor's best feat I'd say.

Most writers found a balance for Thor. What he lacks in one category, they have him make up in an another. Busiek simply wrote Thor on a lower level across the board. I think he thinks, that makes for a better story. I don't know.

What's even more insulting is he thinks Quasar and Sersi are too powerful for something like the Avengers but having Thor's fine.

PillarofOsiris
Graviton is Marvel and Superman is DC, therefore, according to most posters on this site, Graviton wins.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by carver9
This match isn't going to turn out to good for Supes. I wonder who would win out of Graviton and Magneto.

lol. I hope you don't really think Magneto is more powerful than Superman.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Graviton is Marvel and Superman is DC, therefore, Superman wins easily fixed

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Graviton is Marvel and Superman is DC, therefore, according to most posters on this site, Graviton wins.

Can you define "most posters"?

PillarofMight
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CosmicComet
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Graviton is Marvel and Superman is DC, therefore, according to most posters on this site, Graviton wins.

Seriously?

Zack Fair
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't one shot Thor. He punched Thor 3 times and unleashed his heat vision. Thor punched Superman once, and I guess knocked him off his feet with another blow.

The fight just couldn't get more panel time in such a crossover. Assume it happened mostly off panel if it makes more sense that way.

Thor wouldn't go down that easily nor would Superman be so completely exhausted that fast. He could have dedicated the entire issue to them fighting but it wasn't very logical. Hence it was brief, but intense a fight between near equals. Superman even admitted he just barely beat Thor. Based on JLA/Avengers as a whole, Superman has the edge in strength and is faster with Thor being more powerful as well as versatile.


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dmills
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Graviton is Marvel and Superman is DC, therefore, according to most posters on this site, Graviton wins. Man you've got to be kidding me with that.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by SamZED
Is it safe to say say Venom > Superman then?

Yeah, except Superman was losing his powers at the time from FINAL NIGHT when they fought.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by SamZED
Is it safe to say say Venom > Superman then? Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah

JakeTheBank
It's basically the idea that KMC is largely anti-DC/Superman which I personally find to be absurd. It's no more anti-DC/Superman than it is anti-Marvel; posters of all stripes and agendas and bias post here. And projecting that every time a poster says Superman loses a fight it's because "they hate Superman/DC" really needs to stop.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's basically the idea that KMC is largely anti-DC/Superman which I personally find to be absurd. It's no more anti-DC/Superman than it is anti-Marvel; posters of all stripes and agendas and bias post here. And projecting that every time a poster says Superman loses a fight it's because "they hate Superman/DC" really needs to stop. thumb up

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's basically the idea that KMC is largely anti-DC/Superman which I personally find to be absurd. It's no more anti-DC/Superman than it is anti-Marvel; posters of all stripes and agendas and bias post here. And projecting that every time a poster says Superman loses a fight it's because "they hate Superman/DC" really needs to stop.

Except that in the "respect section" you can find many Superman Disrespect threads that have gone on for pages before being closed. Are there Thor disrespect threads? (I love Thor btw). Add to that people posting things about Wolverine being equal in speed to Superman, and the Sentry beating Superboy Prime, and 8th Day Juggernaut beating Superman One Million.....

PillarofOsiris
But I will say I've seen ridiculous things said by Superman fanboys too (such as Superman beating Odin with no power ups).

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Except that in the "respect section" you can find many Superman Disrespect threads that have gone on for pages before being closed. Are there Thor disrespect threads? (I love Thor btw). Add to that people posting things about Wolverine being equal in speed to Superman, and the Sentry beating Superboy Prime, and 8th Day Juggernaut beating Superman One Million.....

Other than the disrespect threads is that hate or pure ignorance??

Black bolt z
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Except that in the "respect section" you can find many Superman Disrespect threads that have gone on for pages before being closed. Are there Thor disrespect threads? (I love Thor btw). Add to that people posting things about Wolverine being equal in speed to Superman, and the Sentry beating Superboy Prime, and 8th Day Juggernaut beating Superman One Million..... no expression

I dare you to find one person that actually argues these things.

I mean seriously. I have never seen anything like that on here. People on here are stupid but thats just borderline....don't even know what to call that if its true.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
But I will say I've seen ridiculous things said by Superman fanboys too (such as Superman beating Odin with no power ups). Are you talking about H1? Yeah just ignore him.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Except that in the "respect section" you can find many Superman Disrespect threads that have gone on for pages before being closed. Are there Thor disrespect threads? (I love Thor btw). Add to that people posting things about Wolverine being equal in speed to Superman, and the Sentry beating Superboy Prime, and 8th Day Juggernaut beating Superman One Million..... Well if that's all it takes...

There's a Rhino disrespect thread that never got closed.
'People' say Flash beats Galactus, Superman beats Odin, Superman beats Tyrant.

Say it ain't so, bias on both sides? Crazy.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by Black bolt z
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I dare you to find one person that actually argues these things.

I mean seriously. I have never seen anything like that on here. People on here are stupid but thats just borderline....don't even know what to call that if its true.

Are you talking about H1? Yeah just ignore him.

Man, I've seen dumber things than that said here. By far. If I had more time on my hands I'd go through and get you some links.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Except that in the "respect section" you can find many Superman Disrespect threads that have gone on for pages before being closed. Are there Thor disrespect threads? (I love Thor btw). Add to that people posting things about Wolverine being equal in speed to Superman, and the Sentry beating Superboy Prime, and 8th Day Juggernaut beating Superman One Million.....

Yeah, there are idiots out there who hate Superman (not that hating Superman by default makes you an idiot, btw, to each their own) and don't know WTF they're talking about. And there are people who hate the Hulk and Thor and Marvel and Mr. Majestic and Captain Marvel and anything that doesn't perpetuate Superman's superiority against any and all comers as well as posters who just hate ______ because they can.

It's basically becoming a very tired and very old excuse in behalf of Superman and a wealth of characters and used to dismiss opposing ideas because Person A is butthurt that Character A isn't revered by Person B.

It's bad the whole way around and Superman isn't the KMC "victim" some portray him to be.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well if that's all it takes...

There's a Rhino disrespect thread that never got closed.
'People' say Flash beats Galactus, Superman beats Odin, Superman beats Tyrant.

Say it ain't so, bias on both sides? Crazy.

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PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, there are idiots out there who hate Superman (not that hating Superman by default makes you an idiot, btw, to each their own)

I completely understand why many people hate Superman. There's plenty of heroes that I hate (#1 being the Sentry).

batdude123
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's basically the idea that KMC is largely anti-DC/Superman which I personally find to be absurd. It's no more anti-DC/Superman than it is anti-Marvel; posters of all stripes and agendas and bias post here. And projecting that every time a poster says Superman loses a fight it's because "they hate Superman/DC" really needs to stop.

Despite the fact that he was voted the most hated character on the forum, sure.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by batdude123
Despite the fact that he was voted the most hated character on the forum, sure. By who and when?

JakeTheBank
The case in point is that Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, etc. have just as many rabid fanboys as they have a group of posters that don't like them, attempt to discredit/downplay their feats when it suits them (usually against one of the characters mentioned), troll threads with snide or pretentious attitudes, and then turn around and complain with "there's some serious bias/uninformed kool-aid floating 'round here".

Some posters are louder than others, true, but at the end of day, someone is going to hate on Character A just as hard as someone else will try to tell you that Character A is going to kick your character's ass. It's way too convenient to cry foul when said character is hated on, but not step forward to tell an extremely overzealous supporter of the same character to cool their jets when they blow him out of proportion.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by batdude123
Despite the fact that he was voted the most hated character on the forum, sure. Never happened, and I didn't help with that either...

Although I'm curious how it would turn out nowadays. I mean, with people like Rage, Quan, H1, etc.

SamZED
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah, except Superman was losing his powers at the time from FINAL NIGHT when they fought. Ive heard people say that before but iirc it was mostly speculaton. There was no statement or even narration of it being so. stick out tongue

Uriel005
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
But I will say I've seen ridiculous things said by Superman fanboys too (such as Superman beating Odin with no power ups). In a feat war allowing for top feats he does. It's why I favor character concept and powerset with some hard numbers tempered by character limitations and persona. However this breaks other characters who don't necessarily do as well on panel as they should and have people cry foul despite the fact that IMO the forum is designed to remove as many outside factors from a character and look at them using the best of the characters capabilities and not necessarily how exactly they would respond if it were on panel.

In this fight if it were to the death Superman would heatvision Graviton in an instant. Also IIRC Graviton has a charge time on his abilities and if Superman is performing at his best he performs a lightspeed blitz/ignores the gravity of anything short of a small black hole the same way he does the gravity fields of planets with far greater gravitational pulls than earth.

Badabing
Err, this thread was reported twice. Just seemed like harmless fun at BBZ's expense a few pages back.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Badabing
Err, this thread was reported twice. Just seemed like harmless fun at BBZ's expense a few pages back. Really?

Seems like a pretty civil thread besides that one sock... nvr.

nvraccuseme
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Black bolt z
Originally posted by Badabing
Err, this thread was reported twice. Just seemed like harmless fun at BBZ's expense a few pages back. Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Really?

Seems like a pretty civil thread besides that one sock... nvr. Yeha seemed pretty civil to me.

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