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Harry, Voldemort, Snape, Dumbledore & Hermanie find themselves in the LOTR universe at Helms Deep. Reinforcing them are 300 civilian Yeomen and a battalion of Elves. Acompanying them are Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. Opposition is 10,000 Uruk-ai (same as seen in film LOTR: TT). Do they survive the battle or die with their magic wands?

To be honest Voldemort could wreck a large amount of that army himself, as could Dumbledore.

Think Potter's lot'd probably take this one.

Potter and crew get a victory

Yeah, the magic throws it for them, unless they get tired or cant keep clearing the Uruks away while not being hit by arrows.

Legolas is particularly worrisome for them, but they can pull through.

I will now quote RJ, "C0NFUNDU5 UB3R W1N LULZ LULZ N0+H!NG B3AT5 H4RRY P0++3R!!!!1!111!1!11!"

Whoa, whoa, whoa, lets not get ourselves flipped over here, yes the wizards are powerful; yes they could wreak the Uruk army with spells.

But Harry Potter himself coming out alive? Nah, he takes an arrow to the face.

Legolas is not fighting the Harry Potter gaiz Pwned, otherwise he would do something like riding the Avada Kedavra curse while putting arrows in their faces.

And yeah, Harry himself is gonna die. Shit, I would go as far as to say only Dumbledore and Voldemort would be left standing of the Wizards.

As I said, they would have to stop hundreds of arrows while killing Urulks swarming from all sides, in an almost enevr ending wave. One wound and the Wizard is dead, they can barely take a punch, let alone an Uruk's slash.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Harry, Voldemort, Snape, Dumbledore & Hermanie find themselves in the LOTR universe at Helms Deep. Reinforcing them are 300 civilian Yeomen and a battalion of Elves. Acompanying them are Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. Opposition is 10,000 Uruk-ai (same as seen in film LOTR: TT). Do they survive the battle or die with their magic wands? They all apparate away as Voldemort casts fiendfyre.

Or Voldemort and Dumbledore solo with fiendfyre and firestorm. Physical attacks are repelled with a simple protego charm.


/thread.

Originally posted by Pwned
As I said, they would have to stop hundreds of arrows while killing Urulks swarming from all sides, in an almost enevr ending wave. One wound and the Wizard is dead, they can barely take a punch, let alone an Uruk's slash. Voldemort can render himself intangible and pretty easily stop all arrows. So could Dumbedore for that matter. Could turn all incoming arrows to dust.

PATRONUS!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Voldemort can render himself intangible and pretty easily stop all arrows. So could Dumbedore for that matter. Could turn all incoming arrows to dust. Well said, dude.

As I said, Magic takes it, throw in an army of Baslrogs and a dragon, wizards lose.


Fire+Balrog=Bad Idea

Or the wizards can just go intangible and vanish them.

No.

The Wizards are not ****ing with the Balrog.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No.

The Wizards are not ****ing with the Balrog. So you;re saying that they cannot vanish it? Cannot transfigure it? That all of their spells are useless?

Explain.

They've never done so with such a massive thing. Especially considering that it itself is a magical being.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you;re saying that they cannot vanish it? Cannot transfigure it? That all of their spells are useless?

Explain.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Balrog > HP-Verse

Originally posted by Nephthys
They've never done so with such a massive thing. Especially considering that it itself is a magical being. Being magical does not mean magical spells will not affect it. Even so, how's it gonna handle a death spell? How's it gonna harm intangible wizards?

Never done so with such a massive being? Kind of a lame argument, dude. That's like me saying "A lightsaber can't cut through King Kong because a lightsaber is never shown cutting through such a massive being."

A lightsabre couldn't cut through King Kong, it could cut him though.

Edit: Probably be able to cut a finger off, depends on which Kong.

It does for dragons, giants, acromantula etc.



Dunno. Does it have a soul?



As Robtard said, it wouldn't go right through. And thats still a faulty analogy. It would be more like you asking whether a sith could Force Choke one. Could they?

Originally posted by Nephthys
It does for dragons, giants, acromantula etc.

Spell resistant, not proof. In fact, all were shown in the books (and films) to be affected by spells.

Dragons:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon#Spells_that_affect_dragons

Aurors killed lots of giants during Voldemort's first war to such an extent that the Giants fled to the mountains to hide.

Second year students (Harry and Ron) seemed to be able to smack down the Acromantula when running away. In fact, there seemed to be no indication that they were immune to any magic. In the last film, we should see the Deatheaters drive them out of the forest against Hogwarts.





Originally posted by Nephthys
Dunno. Does it have a soul?

I tried this line of reasoning, before, but it was tossed aside. I say that as long as something has a soul, it can be killed with a death spell. My reasoning is the after-image/soul of all the people Lord Volde killed with his wand when Harry's and his wand's clashed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It does for dragons, giants, acromantula etc.



Dunno. Does it have a soul?



As Robtard said, it wouldn't go right through. And thats still a faulty analogy. It would be more like you asking whether a sith could Force Choke one. Could they?

What DDM said. Also, how is the Balrog/s gonna harm intangible half apparating wizards? If a Balrog stepped into an inferno, would it burn?

Dunno. You tell me.

Dunno. Could they?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If a Balrog stepped into an inferno, would it burn?


See, this is why watching the film or at the very least knowing the basics is good.

Balrogs are made in part of fire.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you;re saying that they cannot vanish it? Cannot transfigure it? That all of their spells are useless?

Explain. Yes. The difficulty of the vanishing spell increases according to the complexity of the creature being vanished. The Balrog is a 25 or so foot walking inferno that bleeds what appears to be magma and can conjure weaponry from its own body, it is also an angelic being. Wanna know what the most advanced thing ever seen being vanished was? A kitten. Balrogs are generally>Kittens. Transfigure it? Why no, no they most likely cannot. IIRC, nothing as large as a Balrog has ever been transfigured.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What DDM said. Also, how is the Balrog/s gonna harm intangible half apparating wizards? If a Balrog stepped into an inferno, would it burn?

Dunno. You tell me.

Dunno. Could they? The Balrog is ****ing made of fire. What do you think? As for how it will harm them, to be honest I cannot prove it can harm them while intangible, but they can do no real damage to it.

As for Avada Kedavra, yeah no.

Balrogs cannot actually "die." No Maiar can, their body can be destroyed, but their "soul," if you can really call it that, is untouchable. And since Avada Kedavra affects the soul, not the body, will have no effect.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Balrogs cannot actually "die." No Maiar can, their body can be destroyed, but their "soul," if you can really call it that, is untouchable. And since Avada Kedavra affects the soul, not the body, will have no effect.

You have it backwards: the spell affects the body, not the soul.


It kills the body.


My personal take on it: it tears the soul out of the body while also killing the body.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes. The difficulty of the vanishing spell increases according to the complexity of the creature being vanished. The Balrog is a 25 or so foot walking inferno that bleeds what appears to be magma and can conjure weaponry from its own body, it is also an angelic being. Wanna know what the most advanced thing ever seen being vanished was? A kitten. Balrogs are generally>Kittens. Transfigure it? Why no, no they most likely cannot. IIRC, nothing as large as a Balrog has ever been transfigured.

The Balrog is ****ing made of fire. What do you think? As for how it will harm them, to be honest I cannot prove it can harm them while intangible, but they can do no real damage to it.

As for Avada Kedavra, yeah no.

Balrogs cannot actually "die." No Maiar can, their body can be destroyed, but their "soul," if you can really call it that, is untouchable. And since Avada Kedavra affects the soul, not the body, will have no effect. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand how's this beast gonna harm intangible half apparating wizards? Wait they can't. Wait you answered that.

Barty Crouch Jr turned Draco into a ferret. Protego holds the Balrog at bay. Also, how hot does the Balrog burn?

Originally posted by Robtard
Whoa, whoa, whoa, lets not get ourselves flipped over here, yes the wizards are powerful; yes they could wreak the Uruk army with spells.

But Harry Potter himself coming out alive? Nah, he takes an arrow to the face.

I'd buy that for a silver penny....!
Maybe I was a little hasty....


I didn't realise the Balrog was involved....
The HP crew's shields couldn't repell Balrog power of that magnitude.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I'd buy that for a silver penny....!
Maybe I was a little hasty....


I didn't realise the Balrog was involved....
The HP crew's shields couldn't repell Balrog power of that magnitude.


The Balrog is not involved. Not in the OP.

And yes, a protego shield charm can repel it.

Thats your speculation.

haermm Sure it is!!! Tell me, how's the Balrog gonna see the wizards through a protego totalum? How's it gonna harm half apparating intangible wizards?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Sure it is!!! Tell me, how's the Balrog gonna see the wizards through a protego totalum?

How's it gonna harm half apparating intangible wizards?

Magical fire eyes.

Magical heat from said magical fire.

Magic, magic, magic, magic and more magic. Magic > All, no?

Originally posted by Robtard
Magical fire eyes.

Magical heat from said magical fire.

Magic, magic, magic, magic and more magic. Magic > All, no? Then it's a good thing that Protego kinda....blocks magic.

Shit, I'd forgotten about protego's ability to block any and every attack. Them wizards sure are haxxed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then it's a good thing that Protego kinda....blocks magic.

Is it going to block a massive being's crushing feet?

Originally posted by Robtard
Is it going to block a massive being's crushing feet?

If not, the wizards can kinda, you know....apparate away. Or become intangible.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If not, the wizards can kinda, you know....apparate away. Or become intangible.....

Running away isn't winning, it's running away.

Originally posted by Robtard
Running away isn't winning, it's running away. Apparating a few feet away or high above it is not running away. Running away is apparating away with no intention of returning.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Apparating a few feet away or high above it is not running away. Running away is apparating away with no intention of returning.

Which would be the smart thing to do.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which would be the smart thing to do. Does a Balrog have a mind? Is it capable of independent thought?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Does a Balrog have a mind? Is it capable of independent thought?

All indications point that it is a thinking creature. But it's made of magma, fire and smoke, so it likely doesn't have a "mind" in the conventional sense.

Originally posted by Robtard
All indications point that it is a thinking creature. But it's made of magma, fire and smoke, so it likely doesn't have a "mind" in the conventional sense. How does it behave? Is it controlled by a sorceror?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How does it behave? Is it controlled by a sorceror?

No, has its own mind. In the books, they were like generals of the evil forces.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, has its own mind. In the books, they were like generals of the evil forces. Then a wizard can mind rape it. Maybe a Jedi too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then a wizard can mind rape it. Maybe a Jedi too.

Does the wizard mental-control extend to magical beings? Magical being made rock, fire and smoke?

Originally posted by Robtard
Does the wizard mental-control extend to magical beings? Magical being made rock, fire and smoke? Never said if it does or doesn't.

How does the Balrog sustain itself?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Never said if it does or doesn't.

How does the Balrog sustain itself?

Well then, that's sort of a no limit fallacy, might as well argue that a wizard could mind-control God.

Drinks the tears of wizards.

So, how does it sustain itself?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, how does it sustain itself?

No idea, considering it spent close to 5k years in the depths of the earth (going by the books),it likely doesn't have to, as it's magical and made of rock, fire and smoke.

Where are you going with this? The wizards would starve it out?

No, just trying to learn more about it. What motivates it, what it's after.

Rock, fire and smoke........Let's see.....Rock can be controlled by telekinesis. The smoke, lulz. The fire? Weeeeeeeeeeeell.....You know.

It's evil and likes to crush the weaker. Also likes pina coladas and getting caught in the rain, as long as it's not a heavy rain.

It's not just some boulder or pool of magma, it's a magical being composed of these things.

And in the end, it cannot harm half apparating intangible wizards buzzing around it's head. I'm willing to bet they'd find a spell that works on it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And in the end, it cannot harm half apparating intangible wizards buzzing around it's head. I'm willing to bet they'd find a spell that works on it.

Probably the spell Runneth Awayus.

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably the spell Runneth Awayus. Guess force speed and force agility is the same then? Yeah.

Balrogs are angelic beings.

Lesser deities, basically.

= Wizards having to stick their heads between their legs and kissing their asses goodbye.

Actually, it isnt smoke, its Shadow.


If the fire grows, less shadow, shadow grows, less fire.

Water does nothing against them either.
Intagible? It breathes fire on them til they have to piss. Apparating? Envelopes the place in shadow so they cant see to apparate. They leave the arena=loss. Balrog>>>>Wizard.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
= Wizards having to stick their heads between their legs and kissing their asses goodbye. And Sidious would do better? Or Vader? Hmm?


I'm willing to bet you'll say yes.

Maybe...

We know that the force can have effect on things that the are in the same universe that the force makes up.

We have a good idea how it works.

Unlike your silly wizard chums.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Sidious would do better? Or Vader? Hmm?


Force-crush might prove very handy.

But is this really your angle? Wizards can't do it, so lets try and bring Jedi down? Very odd, RJ.

Originally posted by Robtard
Force-crush might prove very handy.

But is this really your angle? Wizards can't do it, so lets try and bring Jedi down? Very odd, RJ. Good answer. Just the answer I would have given.



Now.......You DO know that wizards have destructive spells, yes? Spells that will make force crush look silly?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Good answer. Just the answer I would have given.



Now.......You DO know that wizards have destructive spells, yes? Spells that will make force crush look silly?

No. You wouldn't have asked if so. Get off my thunder.

Destructive spells, yes. But will those said magical powers work on said magical being? Look silly? Nahh.

Originally posted by Robtard
No. You wouldn't have asked if so. Get off my thunder.

Destructive spells, yes. But will those said magical powers work on said magical being? Look silly? Nahh.

Oh they won't work, eh? Force crush works, but not a reducto spell? I call bullshit.

I call that Force Crush is the Force, which affects anything and nothing is immune to it unless you go to EU and pull the Vong.

Some things are immune to magic, or, in other words, nothing stops the force except the force, while magic can be stopped by other things. Deal with it.

And the force can only be harnessed so much by a force user. The overall strength of the force is not a feasible line of argument to use in he MVF. Magic screen feats>>>>>>>>>>>Force screen feats. It isn't even close.

Prove the Balrog will shrug off reducto? Yeah thought not. Until then, he's rubble.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And the force can only be harnessed so much by a force user. The overall strength of the force is not a feasible line of argument to use in he MVF.

Magic screen feats>>>>>>>>>>>Force screen feats. It isn't even close.

Yeah, not really. Palpatine is proof of this, he used his power over the dark-side of the Force on a galactic scale(as the Force is galactic at least) to cloud all other Force-users. Yoda noted this, though he was ignorant to who was doing it.

Galactic level power manipulation >>>>>>>>>>>>> Patronus and anything else in the HP films. It's not even close.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, not really. Palpatine is proof of this, he used his power over the dark-side of the Force on a galactic scale(as the Force is galactic at least) to cloud all other Force-users. Yoda noted this, though he was ignorant to who was doing it.

Galactic level power manipulation >>>>>>>>>>>>> Patronus and anything else in the HP films. It's not even close.

Mhm, I'm talking about offensive force attacks. You know, stuff useful in a fight.

Try again.

Have you made a career of trolling?


Honestly, you seem to think that HP magic is "Teh ub3r h@xx" when its not. It is completly limited, they have to freaking scream to use offensive spells, and there are not that many shown used in combat, so we dont even know who could use them while being attacked.

Watch the HP movies, they're not as bad as they say here.

Want me to list the spells that'll do in the Balrog? In alphabetical order?

Do it. I will tell you one thing

One of the only, and stilla very powerful wizard, couldnt kill it without dying. That thing took repeated stabs, lightning bolts, and a long fall, and still kept fighting like nothing happened.

So come on, say Avada Kedavra, because it wont work. Say ACCIO LUCK POTION LULZ because it wont work. Say whatever, it wont work. By the time the wizard is done screaming its spell out, the balrog just cut it in half or incinerated it.

Originally posted by Pwned
Do it. I will tell you one thing

One of the only, and stilla very powerful wizard, couldnt kill it without dying. That thing took repeated stabs, lightning bolts, and a long fall, and still kept fighting like nothing happened.

So come on, say Avada Kedavra, because it wont work. Say ACCIO LUCK POTION LULZ because it wont work. Say whatever, it wont work. By the time the wizard is done screaming its spell out, the balrog just cut it in half or incinerated it.
Off the top of my head:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Bombarda_Maxima

Then there's Reducto.


Then there's simple hovering charms, not to mention freezing charms. Many ways to stop the Balrog.

As in make the balrog hover?

Wont work.

Freeze charm?

They are dead before that.

Reducto makes them smaller or what?




Besides, it can breathe hellfire dude, they wont have long before they die. Look in its mouth.

Originally posted by Pwned
As in make the balrog hover?

Wont work.

Freeze charm?

They are dead before that.

Reducto makes them smaller or what?




Besides, it can breathe hellfire dude, they wont have long before they die. Look in its mouth.

Hover charm won't work....why?

Dead before they go intangible? Doooooooooooh!!!!

Reducto is a blasting spell. Whatever is hits, it turns it into ash. Bombada does the same.

Immobulus and arresto momentum. All can be cast while flying around intangible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spells_in_Harry_Potter



And when all else fails, Protego.

You've no proof that protego will have effect against the fury of the Balrog.

Doesn't magic not work on all manner of creatures in the HP universe, like House Gnomes(Dobby) and Giants and Trolls? In agreement with Sadako, what proof is there it will work on one of the most powerful entities in the LOTR universe?

Exactly, and thank you.

You have to 'scuse RJ... he clearly thought the thread title meant "Helm deep in Harry Potter".

Uh, RJ, I dont think they could make the Balrog hover, and if they did, whip.

Ok, turn shadow and fire to ash. Tell me how that works out in your mind.

Ok, they have to drop that eventually. A balrog is a freaking DEMON dude, it cant wait them out if nothing else, they cant take a sh!t while intangible, you know.

Oh, and lets see how long they last when they are flipping out with that huge thing trying to kill them. The person who actually killed it was someone who knew what it was, it immobilized the Hobbits from fear up to the point where the other told them to run like hell.

Watch the movie, you can see them staring at it like "OMFG THAT THING IS HUGE AND ITS GONNA KILL ME OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG AAAAAAAAAH" "RUN LIKE HELL DUMBASS! GOGOGOGOGO!"

Now lets see Wizards pull their fear into rein and attack it. They would probably run away, or still die.
Volde would try to bring it to his side, Dumbles would try to kill it. Both would meet a fiery doom.

Originally posted by Pwned
Uh, RJ, I dont think they could make the Balrog hover, and if they did, whip.

Ok, turn shadow and fire to ash. Tell me how that works out in your mind.

Ok, they have to drop that eventually. A balrog is a freaking DEMON dude, it cant wait them out if nothing else, they cant take a sh!t while intangible, you know.

Oh, and lets see how long they last when they are flipping out with that huge thing trying to kill them. The person who actually killed it was someone who knew what it was, it immobilized the Hobbits from fear up to the point where the other told them to run like hell.

Watch the movie, you can see them staring at it like "OMFG THAT THING IS HUGE AND ITS GONNA KILL ME OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG AAAAAAAAAH" "RUN LIKE HELL DUMBASS! GOGOGOGOGO!"

Now lets see Wizards pull their fear into rein and attack it. They would probably run away, or still die.
Volde would try to bring it to his side, Dumbles would try to kill it. Both would meet a fiery doom.

Immobulus>>>>>>>>>Your entire post.

Except you've no guarantee whatsoever that that'd work on The Balrog.

Wizards: "Imobulus..!!!"

*Balrog keeps coming*

Wizards: "Reducto!!"

*Balrog continues to stomp forth at them, raising his whip*

Wizards: "Protego!!"

*Balrogs whip cuts through the wizards , ripping their torsos in half and casting the charred remains across the fortress.*







<<*Cue Annie Lennox*>>

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Except you've no guarantee whatsoever that that'd work on The Balrog.

Wizards: "Imobulus..!!!"

*Balrog keeps coming*

Wizards: "Reducto!!"

*Balrog continues to stomp forth at them, raising his whip*

Wizards: "Protego!!"

*Balrogs whip cuts through the wizards , ripping their torsos in half and casting the charred remains across the fortress.*

Nah, Immobulus works on whatever it is cast on.

What's the Balrog made of again?

...in the Potterworld...against Potter world things..

Besides "pure win over the wizards" you mean...?
Hell 'n stuff.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...in the Potterworld...against Potter world things..

Besides "pure win over the wizards" you mean...?
Hell 'n stuff. K, how is it killed/defeated in the end?

It was smited upon the mountainside, by a uniquely, and appropriately ranked wizard (practitioner of real magic, not that HP shit), who was armed with exactly that which would be able to kill it..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was smited upon the mountainside, by a uniquely, and appropriately ranked wizard (practitioner of real magic, not that HP shit), who was armed with exactly that which would be able to kill it..

Define "smited upon the mountainside."

Details on how this uber wizard killed it.

Do your own research.

If you dont know...just say.


But lets just say Harry has no chance of dragging him down to the underworld for it's destruction as Gandalf did, and lacks the experience in dealing with Balrog that Gandalf has....for starters.
Also even Gandalf died in the act of destroying Balrog..

Harry wouldn't stand a chance,

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Do your own research.

If you dont know...just say.


But lets just say Harry has no chance of dragging him down to the underworld for it's destruction as Gandalf did, and lacks the experience in dealing with Balrog that Gandalf has....for starters.
Also even Gandalf died in the act of destroying Balrog..

Harry wouldn't stand a chance, The mere fact that I am asking so many questions is a sure fire indicator that I don't know, dude.


So in this fight, there has to be an Underworld, right?

Fair enough.
You do that a lot about SW too.


That would be logical...but it was accessed at a location this fight is nowhere near.

I do that about SW for different reasons, babe. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself to question my SW knowledge, if it gives you sense of well being, if you get off puffing out your E chest, carry on.

Yeah, this scene:

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I remember quite well. Puh-leeeeeeez, Voldemort would rape that thing ten times over. Any number of spells would work on it.


Stop wasting my time with such nonsense.

The truth is always liberating...you're often way wrong about SW too, was the point of joinder.


Laughable. You're the one asserting nonsense. You have no reason to believe that the Boy Wizard has the goods or the cajones to get the job done.

RJ, it was hurt when hitting Gandalf, cast down into a chasm, fought on a mountain, and hit repeatedly by lightning. On top of that, it took several sword hits right into its chest. That thing is made of Hellfire and Shadow. You cant turn it to ash.

Oh, and Immobulus? (or w/e) Yeah, lets see them use that while freaking out about that thing, or trying to find out what it is.

The instant and non verbal spell "Fecallus Pantsius" will be cast on Harry the second Balrog turns up.

I like how he ignored the fact that magic is totally ineffective against a large number of creatures in the HP verse....and Balrog trumps all of them.

It was note worthy indeed. Selective logic/observance is always the order of the day for RJ when his tears flow for the wizards.

Originally posted by Pwned
RJ, it was hurt when hitting Gandalf, cast down into a chasm, fought on a mountain, and hit repeatedly by lightning. On top of that, it took several sword hits right into its chest. That thing is made of Hellfire and Shadow. You cant turn it to ash.

Oh, and Immobulus? (or w/e) Yeah, lets see them use that while freaking out about that thing, or trying to find out what it is.

K and some HP spells cause much more damage than sword hits.

Freak out? Get real, dude. Voldemort and Dumbledore aren't gonna freak out.

Harry either. Dude faced down a Hungarian Horntail and a Basilisk and didn't flinch. He casts Immobulus, the Balrog can't move, simple as that.


Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The truth is always liberating...you're often way wrong about SW too, was the point of joinder.


Laughable. You're the one asserting nonsense. You have no reason to believe that the Boy Wizard has the goods or the cajones to get the job done. Sure, if you say so.

Boy wizard? It's the ****in' Voldemort and Dumbledore, duder.

Look at again at the thread title.
It said 'Harry Potter vs Helms deep.'

Read the OP, Mr. Weasley.

Ahhh well. It matters not, Susan...for they will still be Balrog fodder.

Actually they won't. Harry holds it still while Dumbledore and Voldemort tear it apart. Their screen feats dictate this. I can name them, but you already know them.

No amount of Potter Hate in the world can can change this.

Oh right in that scene they LAST fought a Balrog in?




You have ZERO reason to think that HP magic will affect the Balrog, and no amount of elbow-and-wrist destroyingly-frantic masturbation will ever change that.

BTW I dont hate HP, actually... I just think its silly.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh right in that scene they LAST fought a Balrog in?




You have ZERO reason to think that HP magic will affect the Balrog, and no amount of elbow-and-wrist destroyingly-frantic masturbation will ever change that.

BTW I dont hate HP, actually... I just think its silly.

Harry fought a Hungarian Horntail, just as deadly an opponent. Also fought a Basilisk. He beat them both. LOL @ you thinking Voldemort and Dumbledore freaking out.


Why wouldn't HP magic affect it? I watched the vids of it and it showed no resistance to magic.

So? The Hungarian horntail and the Basilisk were not The Balrog.

Certain types of Magic....ones that Gandalf himself knew and wielded.

The Hungarian Horntail would eat the Balrog for lunch.

And that in no way proves that HP magic will have no affect on it. More of your "just cuz" bullshit.

You can't win this argument, dude, I've covered everything.

Doubt it. Especially since you admitted already that you dont know what a Balrog is.

The burden of proof is on you to show us that Harry's magic will work.

I already have.

I know what a Balrog is now. I knew before, I just didn't remember the name. Big ass slow moving behemoth on fire, child's play for Voldemort.

Considering that HP magic can control fire, can TK anything it wants, it looks highly likely that it will work on the Balrog.

No, you haven't. Not even close. Not even a dent. Not a scratch.

The wizards have no chance. Their pussy magic will help them not one iota....prove otherwise....

haermm I already have. Here, the fight between Gandalf and the Balsac:

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Show me where it displays anything that would suggest that it is resistant to HP magic. As it fell, Gandalf (epic badass, no denying this), was hurting it with a SWORD. A SWORD. Most HP spells do more damage than a SWORD. Sectumsempra, for example. Reducto will tear it apart. Not to mention, not to MENTION, dude, that wizards can control fire, and they can TK the shit out of rock and earth.

So no, the pressure is on YOU, Champ.




So.....Dumbledore casts Immobulus on it, Voldemort destroys it.

Nope. No pressure on me....but its at crushing PSI levels on you though.

*Crack* their goes your skeleton...and the back of your argument.


You are ignorant as to the type of sword that that was.
IE One HP wizards would utterly lack.
Note also that the sword did not kill the beast after running it through on more that one occasion.
The Blarog was overcame by a list of things that the Potter squad would not be able to replicate.





Here.... these'll help you with those floods of tears and butthurt:
http://reflectionsinhindsight.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kleenex-box2.jpg

Now thats a big tissue box

he can wipe his tears and and arse.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. No pressure on me....but its at crushing PSI levels on you though.

*Crack* their goes your skeleton...and the back of your argument.


You are ignorant as to the type of sword that that was.
IE One HP wizards would utterly lack.
Note also that the sword did not kill the beast after running it through on more that one occasion.
The Blarog was overcame by a list of things that the Potter squad would not be able to replicate.





Here.... these'll help you with those floods of tears and butthurt:
http://reflectionsinhindsight.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kleenex-box2.jpg


Sure, and it's superior to this sword, how?

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Godric_Gryffindor%27s_Sword


Still haven't said where in the vid the Bal-Sac shows it would resist HP magic.

Oh wait, it didn't.

Yeah.......



So.....Immobulus to freeze it, Reducto reduces it to ashes. Prove me wrong. Show me where in the vid the Bal-Licker shows it would resist HP magic.

'Cause its made with elven magic.

That works on Balrogs.

Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, it isnt smoke, its Shadow.


If the fire grows, less shadow, shadow grows, less fire.

Water does nothing against them either.
Intagible? It breathes fire on them til they have to piss. Apparating? Envelopes the place in shadow so they cant see to apparate. They leave the arena=loss. Balrog>>>>Wizard.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
'Cause its made with elven magic.

That works on Balrogs.



Goblin magic, elven magic, whatever.


Still waiting on where it showed it would have resistance to HP magic. Oh wait, it didn't.

It doesn't have to.

YOURE the one making the claim that HP magic will affect it... so YOU have to prove it. Simples.

Originally posted by Evilbigfoot
As the Balrog is trampling around in the vid below, you can hear it's feet smashing into the ground. It is literally shaking the foundation with each step. At 1:59, as it passes under the archway, it's back hits the underside of the archway and it crumbles. Also, as it tries to attack Gandalf, it's weight causes the bridge to collapse. Sure, Gandalf weakened it with his staff stabby thing, but the weight of the Balrog collapsed it.

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What does this tell us? That it is solid, that it is much more than shadows. You can see it hitting the sides of the cave as Gandalf fell with it. You can see a splash in the water when it hits bottom. You can see the mountain crumbling as it falls after Gandalf finished it.

No. Mere smoke does not do this. It dissipates. The Balrog is a solid form. And since it is a solid form, it can be frozen via Immobulus, it can be reduced to pebbles via Reducto.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It doesn't have to.

YOURE the one making the claim that HP magic will affect it... so YOU have to prove it. Simples. Just did.

Nope. Thats heavily disputed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, and it's superior to this sword, how?

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Godric_Gryffindor%27s_Sword


For one, Gandalf's blade doesn't look like some phaggy ornate piece of nonsense befit only in opening envelopes as that sword does.

Yeah that thing is a toothpick compared to Gandalf's mighty chopper.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. Thats heavily disputed. How so? You claim the Balrog is magic resistant, I'm asking for a scene where it displays this.

It's easy. Just tell me what part of the vid.

I said its not proven that HP magic would work.


And its looking like an accurate assessment.


You're certainly not able to prove otherwise, by the look of it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I said its not proven that HP magic would work.


And its looking like an accurate assessment.


You're certainly not able to prove otherwise, by the look of it. Considering the fact that HP magic was shown blasting through thick ass stone walls and reducing a 4 foot thick stone training dummy to pebbles, yeah, it's work just fine.

The Balrog is not resistant to magic. Not in any way, shape or form. Show me where it was.

Ok. It was resistant to Gandalfs because he was the keeper of the secret fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Fire

Noone else could mess with it.

Only Elves can duke it, with protracted battles using their weapons and magic and the Balrog falling massive heights in the end or Gandalf doing the same.

Pretty much all else who faced them ever died.

Now... where is your proof that Harry and co have the stones?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ok. It was resistant to Gandalfs because he was the keeper of the secret fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Fire

Noone else could mess with it.



Now... where is your proof that Harry and co have the stones? And where, pretell, did Gandalf perform a magic attack with this....Keeper of the fire stuff? All I saw was him yelling "You shall not pass", then the Balrog fell, then he stabbed it.


Proof? haermm I already listed them, Champ.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And where, pretell, did Gandalf perform a magic attack with this....Keeper of the fire stuff? All I saw was him yelling "You shall not pass", then the Balrog fell, then he stabbed it.


Proof? haermm I already listed them, Champ.


Did you miss the part where Gandalf made a protective shield and the Balrog's magma-sword melted around it?

Gandalf also used the magic of his staff to weaken/crack the bridge; that's why the Balrog fell.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And where, pretell, did Gandalf perform a magic attack with this....Keeper of the fire stuff? All I saw was him yelling "You shall not pass", then the Balrog fell, then he stabbed it.


Proof? haermm I already listed them, Champ.

He uses it to establish a barrier, yes.
He says about being the keeper of the fire there. Its there..listen.


No you haven't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you miss the part where Gandalf made a protective shield and the Balrog's magma-sword melted around it?

Gandalf also used the magic of his staff to weaken/crack the bridge; that's why the Balrog fell.

Exactamundo.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you miss the part where Gandalf made a protective shield and the Balrog's magma-sword melted around it?

Gandalf also used the magic of his staff to weaken/crack the bridge; that's why the Balrog fell.

Ah, so the Balrog's weapon melted when hitting the shield....

Mhm, I know. The weight of the Balrog caused the bridge to collapse. This proves it is far more than just shadows.smoke/whatever. It is a solid being that will torn apart by Reducto.



See what I did there?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah, so the Balrog's weapon melted when hitting the shield....

Mhm, I know. The weight of the Balrog caused the bridge to collapse. This proves it is far more than just shadows.smoke/whatever. It is a solid being that will torn apart by Reducto.



See what I did there?

Specifically, Gandalf's shield and who he was, hence the "I am the blah, blah, blah... and your ***** ass won't pass."

You see Gandalf strike the bridge and affect it, he purposely did so to drop the Balrog, as he likely knew he couldn't hold it at bay indefinitely.

Again, does that spell work on powerful magical beings as it does a bit of furniture?

Originally posted by Robtard
Specifically, Gandalf's shield and who he was, hence the "I am the blah, blah, blah... and your ***** ass won't pass."

You see Gandalf strike the bridge and affect it, he purposely did so to drop the Balrog, as he likely knew he couldn't hold it at bay indefinitely.

Again, does that spell work on powerful magical beings as it does a bit of furniture?

The Balrog itself showed no resistance to magic, dude. None.

HP spells are shown destroying everything from a door, to a stone training dummy, to a section of stone wall. It does so with the same efficiency each time. It might take a few strikes, but in the end, Reducto will reduce it to ashes.

And a protego shield charm will hold it at bay.


Besides, this thread is over. The Balrog was not in the OP.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Balrog itself showed no resistance to magic, dude. None.

HP spells are shown destroying everything from a door, to a stone training dummy, to a section of stone wall. It does so with the same efficiency each time. It might take a few strikes, but in the end, Reducto will reduce it to ashes.

And a protego shield charm will hold it at bay.


Besides, this thread is over. The Balrog was not in the OP.

Well, that's a no limit fallacy, isn't it. So Reducto could destroy a continent? The Moon? The Sun? Reading the HP wiki on it, Reducto seems to have trouble destroying magical things.

Would it?

I know, so why debate to vehemently over the wizards yet "pwning" all?

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, that's a no limit fallacy, isn't it. So Reducto could destroy a continent? The Moon? The Sun? Reading the HP wiki on it, Reducto seems to have trouble destroying magical things.

Would it?

I know, so why debate to vehemently over the wizards yet "pwning" all? Reducto had trouble destroying a hocrux, that's all.

The moon? Lulz, dude, exaggerate much?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Reducto had trouble destroying a hocrux, that's all.

The moon? Lulz, dude, exaggerate much?

No,there's more in the HP link. And what was the most impressive feat of destruction shown? A table? Bit of wall?

Originally posted by Robtard
No,there's more in the HP link. And what was the most impressive feat of destruction shown? A table? Bit of wall? An entire section of stone wall.

Voldy goes intangible and hits the Balrog with a dozen or so and it's done.

Lulz at adding the Balrog to this thread.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
An entire section of stone wall.

Voldy goes intangible and hits the Balrog with a dozen or so and it's done.

Lulz at adding the Balrog to this thread.

Stone wall which isn't a magical living being.

I didn't add it; not my thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stone wall which isn't a magical living being.

I didn't add it; not my thread.

There's literally no way to prove one way or the other, dude. Literally. It's a waste of time. What we do know is that the Balrog showed no resistance to magical attacks.

Actually Balrog resisted Gandalf's command under his magic for the Balrog to go back to the shadow from whence it came, dude.

Watching this link, several things occurred to me about a face off at Helm's deep.
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Swords other than Gandalfs were of no use against the Balrog: Confirmed by Gandalf in his advice to the others..

Theres no narrow bridge above a chasm and massive drop against fast moving walls (The kind which battered Balrog as he fell)...
On Helm's Deep territory, the wizards are screwed.

The HP wizards dont know the Magic that Gandalf Employed.

They aren't Gandalf and dont have his resistance, damage soak, stamina, ability to absorb lightning, any of that stuff. Theyre screwed.

The 1st attack that you see Balrog launch against Gandalf would have killed anyone not using that specific magic.


These in addition to the fact that you cannot assert that HP magic will work on the Balrog at all with any measure of conviction or certainty makes you cocky assertions exposable as the poop that they are.


But hey. Never mind...there are some tissues in the room of requirement for ya.

(For wiping your tears away, rather than the other reason you need tissues for when you go to the room to think about wizards....)

Yes, but the Balrog never resisted a spell that is designed to destroy, a direct offensive spell.

If anything, what you said implies that the Balrog can resist Legilimens.


Is this suddenly a Gandalf respect thread?

He resisted None shall pass, with his whip....

Legilimens is HP magic. Thats is unproven in the LOTR world.


Its not. Why do you insist that he get no respect?

But that was not a direct offensive spell, a spell designed to destroy.

Just saying, mind control, he seems resistant to.

No, he gets mad respect, I already implied this earlier.

It wasn't an offensive spell, but it was designed to destroy anyone coming forward.

A landmine might not be an offensive weapon, but you certainly wouldn't want to go tap dancing on one.

Then the answer to your question of why he gets mad respect, is "You gave him mad respect".

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It wasn't an offensive spell, but it was designed to destroy anyone coming forward.

A landmine might not be an offensive weapon, but you certainly wouldn't want to go tap dancing on one.

Then the answer to your question of why he gets mad respect, is "You gave him mad respect".

Sure about that? Or was it more of a barrier?

Er. Ok.

Ok?

Yes Im sure.
Its a barrier, its also what I said.

Defensive magic in any case.

K, but still not a spell designed to destroy what it makes contact with. It's like comparing a barbed wire fence to a hand grenade.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K, but still not a spell designed to destroy what it makes contact with. It's like comparing a barbed wire fence to a hand grenade.

Comparing a massive magical being made of magma, fire and smoke to a stone wall insisting equally stupid?

Originally posted by Robtard
Comparing a massive magical being made of magma, fire and smoke to a stone wall insisting equally stupid? The spell, babe, not the beast.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The spell, babe, not the beast.

The beast, b!tch, not the spell. See?

RJ, have you missed the HUGE shadow cloud hanging around it? Yes, it has a body, but it also has all the shadow with it, you ont know where any part of it is apart from legs, arms, and head. You can guess as to where the torso is (obviously) but you dont know where its vitals are (if it has them)
Your neglecting everything we say just asking for proof that HP magic affects it. Well, if HP magic has trouble affecting magical creatures in its own universe, why the HELL do you think itll work on a freaking fallen angel from another universe?

As somebody said, Gandalf said "Swords are useless here, RUN!"

Honestly, the wizards get their ass kicked here. No doubt. They cant kill that thing very easily, lulz @ Immobulus, Intangible, and Reducto.

Id like to see them hit a large, dangerous, magical, fallen angel attacking them with fire and shadow, with a simple Reducto spell. Id also like to see it do anything, as the best its done is destroyed ordianary stone walls. Give me a M72 LAW and I can do more.
Funny how you think they wouldnt sh*t their pants when they see it. Why exactly would they not?

Originally posted by Pwned
RJ, have you missed the HUGE shadow cloud hanging around it? Yes, it has a body, but it also has all the shadow with it, you ont know where any part of it is apart from legs, arms, and head. You can guess as to where the torso is (obviously) but you dont know where its vitals are (if it has them)
Your neglecting everything we say just asking for proof that HP magic affects it. Well, if HP magic has trouble affecting magical creatures in its own universe, why the HELL do you think itll work on a freaking fallen angel from another universe?

As somebody said, Gandalf said "Swords are useless here, RUN!"

Honestly, the wizards get their ass kicked here. No doubt. They cant kill that thing very easily, lulz @ Immobulus, Intangible, and Reducto.

Id like to see them hit a large, dangerous, magical, fallen angel attacking them with fire and shadow, with a simple Reducto spell. Id also like to see it do anything, as the best its done is destroyed ordianary stone walls. Give me a M72 LAW and I can do more.
Funny how you think they wouldnt sh*t their pants when they see it. Why exactly would they not?

Name a time when a wizard, Harry in particular, shit their pants when confronted with a big Beastie.


The Balrog is solid, I have already proven this. It's literally shakes the foundation as it lumbers about, it crushed a stone pillar as it tried to get to Gandalf, it was hitting the walls of the chasm as it fell.

As I said earlier, at no time was it hit with an offensive spell. There's no way to prove either way if it can be harmed that way, we have nothing to work with.

I never denied that it is solid, in fact I have said so several times. You apparently are neglecting that A)The Balrog took days to kill, including magic (magical lightning no less, watch vid of fight on top of Caradhras) sword stabs, and falling a very very very long chasm into a giant pool of water (something normal humans cant survive from about 100+feet I think not quite sure)

Oh, and if you didnt notice, dwarven stonework? That stuff and hold a bit more than a balrogs weight, nice try trying to say the balrog broke the bridge on its own. Gandalf weakened it, watch closely when he first hits it.