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with internet the availabilty of porn has doubled putting children and family's at risk. yet we see more new websites everyday.

Is porn bad ?? plzz keep it a clean tread

yes

Porn=separation, no interaction

Originally posted by coolmovies
with internet the availabilty of porn has doubled putting children and family's at risk. yet we see more new websites everyday.

Is porn bad ?? plzz keep it a clean tread

Doubled? More like 100-fold.

No, porn is not bad, in the blanketed sense. There is bad porn though.

Not sure what you mean with "putting children and families at risk", there are free to use safeguards to keep your children safe from seeing a pair of testicles on someone's face instead of a packet of tea should they google the word "teabag."

yes, people who watch it get sent to hell

Originally posted by Robtard
Doubled? More like 100-fold.

No, porn is not bad, in the blanketed sense. There is bad porn though.

Not sure what you mean with "putting children and families at risk", there are free to use safeguards to keep your children safe from seeing a pair of testicles on someone's face instead of a packet of tea should they google the word "teabag."

children as young as 10 can go online and get exposed to pornography.

Then the parents of those kids should take some damn responsibility and get a locking program.

It's all too easy for a kid to access porn on ANY internet device, but if there was a child lock, then the child wouldn't get to see Nancy taking it in the butt from a horse.

Not for your complexion.

only when you get caught watching it

Originally posted by coolmovies
children as young as 10 can go online and get exposed to pornography.

Younger actually.

It's still the responsibility of the parent to take the necessary measures in keeping their children away from what they wish to keep them safe from.

What do you suggest? Porn be outlawed because some parents don't bother using readily available and free internet filters? Not bothering to do a quick review of the child's internet history?

Originally posted by coolmovies
with internet the availabilty of porn has doubled putting children and family's at risk.

Family's at risk?? Grammar aside, what does this mean exactly, other than young kids potentially gaining access to porn.

Also, at 10, kids' balls haven't even dropped yet. Beyond some initial shock, I can't imagine them sneaking away from their parents to watch porn. At that age, once we had a computer, I was sneaking away to browse Digimon websites.

Anyway, yeah, it's not an issue when there's responsible parents. As any teacher will tell you, 99% of the kids whose parents care about their exposure/grades/etc. will be fine, and probably 50-70% of the kids whose parents don't give a damn are the ones at risk for all sorts of bad things.

Originally posted by coolmovies
with internet the availabilty of porn has doubled putting children and family's at risk. yet we see more new websites everyday.

Is porn bad ?? plzz keep it a clean tread

Doubled? Put family's at risk? Insane opening post? Why, yes, indeed.

Originally posted by Robtard


No, porn is not bad, in the blanketed sense. There is bad porn though.

."

I was into whatever internet porn there was when i was 11-12...

I had already raided my parents/uncles stock of old playboys, had a couple of mags from friends older brothers, and a couple of VHS stolen from other parents/etc.

man, the internet sure made porn easy to find for young boys, you know, who would never find it otherwise...

or, we are freaking out over new technology like we always do

Despite how many people say that "porn is porn is porn", and such other nonsensical things, I firmly believe that there is "good porn" and "bad porn" that can have varying effects on the viewer, young people, especially

Good porn: Nurse Nancy getting her rectal temperature taken by Dr. Hung in a hospital scene.

Bad porn: Child porn

The examples are crystal, in my opinion.

lol, i don't think anyone is confusing porn with sexual assault of minors

I dunno, man. You'd be surprised at how many goobers do just that.

Misconstrue in general, I mean.

the internet has doubled the availability of porn?

not only doubled ,but tripled and so on....


also, the internet is what it is today because of porn, not the other way around.
Filters, security measures, digital distribution, sharing clients, subscription services, online shopping, is all possible because of porn. They've been doing it since before the internet became mainstream, they had a big hand in making it mainstream

just wonder where ebay and amazon will be today if there was no porn

so yeah... It is really bad

Originally posted by Impediment
I dunno, man. You'd be surprised at how many goobers do just that.

Misconstrue in general, I mean.

I can't say I've ever been in a situation with someone where "porn" was mentioned, and they confused it for "depictions of children being assaulted".

I mean, sure, that would kill the mood... I just haven't been there. I think most people can clearly distinguish between "adults ****ing for money and entertainment" and "children being exploited" to the degree that we don't use the same term to describe it.

in terms of this thread, I think it is pretty safe to conclude that, for instance, a video of a real rape, isn't being included as "porn", because only the smallest minority of people are going to think of it like that... and it is a crime anyways...

Yes I do.It temps people to become rapist and go after children.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes I do.It temps people to become rapist and go after children.

I'd love to see the psychological study that confirmed that...

Porn isn't bad but it would be a lot better if the actors and actresses had a union to represent their interests and police their industry.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd love to see the psychological study that confirmed that...



there are some theories about porn sensitization, and people seeking out weirder and weirder porn to fill their needs, however, nobody has ever controlled that against personal taste, and more exposure producing more of an idea about what people like.

So like, internet porn might make you into gape, but, it also might be that you are into gape, but never knew until the internet showed you

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Porn isn't bad but it would be a lot better if the actors and actresses had a union to represent their interests and police their industry.

very true

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd love to see the psychological study that confirmed that...



It is a proven fact if you look at the man that are in jail for the same reason.

Originally posted by inimalist
there are some theories about porn sensitization, and people seeking out weirder and weirder porn to fill their needs, however, nobody has ever controlled that against personal taste, and more exposure producing more of an idea about what people like.

So like, internet porn might make you into gape, but, it also might be that you are into gape, but never knew until the internet showed you

Lol, gapers.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is a proven fact if you look at the man that are in jail for the same reason.

who? name one person who was driven to rape from porn

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, gapers.

The Gapes of Wrath!

I Heard it Through the Gape Vine

The Gape Escape

...

Originally posted by inimalist
there are some theories about porn sensitization, and people seeking out weirder and weirder porn to fill their needs, however, nobody has ever controlled that against personal taste, and more exposure producing more of an idea about what people like.

So like, internet porn might make you into gape, but, it also might be that you are into gape, but never knew until the internet showed you

Yeah but I was commenting on the idea that there was some direct correlation between watching porn and becoming a rapist. That's pretty baseless and absurd opinion. Most experts believe motivation for rape has little to do with sex or sexual impulses in the first place, it's more about control and domination then getting your rocks off.

Originally posted by inimalist
The Gapes of Wrath!

I Heard it Through the Gape Vine

The Gape Escape

...

Planet of the Gapes. <--- I've seen part of this one.

It brought us Ted Bundy

Originally posted by inimalist
who? name one person who was driven to rape from porn

You know she can't properly support her insane claim, right?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
It brought us Ted Bundy

According to the notoriously truthful... Ted Bundy.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Porn isn't bad but it would be a lot better if the actors and actresses had a union to represent their interests and police their industry.

Fetish porn is just sick

Originally posted by coolmovies
Fetish porn is just sick

Blanket generalization, much?

Fetish porn can range for naked girls tickling each other to shit-eating. It's a very broad segment.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah but I was commenting on the idea that there was some direct correlation between watching porn and becoming a rapist. That's pretty baseless and absurd opinion. Most experts believe motivation for rape has little to do with sex or sexual impulses in the first place, it's more about control and domination then getting your rocks off.

for sure. I was just saying, from the studies on porn that are out there, even the idea that a lot of porn changes someone, at all, is dubious.

obviously it doesn't make them rapists, lol. you should be more worried about it making them porn stars . on that last part, it is totally true that rape has little to do with sexual desire, which is one of the reasons in the vast majority of rape cases, the victim is close to the assailant.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Porn isn't bad but it would be a lot better if the actors and actresses had a union to represent their interests and police their industry.

We have labour laws now, we don't need unions in any sector. They are a corrupt and dated concept.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Porn isn't bad but it would be a lot better if the actors and actresses had a union to represent their interests and police their industry.

Is there something preventing porn actors from forming a union?

Originally posted by coolmovies
Fetish porn is just sick HOT

fixed

Originally posted by Robtard
Planet of the Gapes. <--- I've seen part of this one.

sounds like a good evening!

Originally posted by Robtard
You know she can't properly support her insane claim, right?

I dont know... she said it with the authority of someone who would know.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We have labour laws now, we don't need unions in any sector. They are a corrupt and dated concept.

contract negotiations? collective bargaining? power against those who control the mechanisms of industry?

unions might have issues, but there is no reason to do away with them, as there would be no powed balance

Originally posted by inimalist

I dont know... she said it with the authority of someone who would know.

She's not right in the head. Just keep that in mind.

Originally posted by inimalist
contract negotiations? collective bargaining? power against those who control the mechanisms of industry?

unions might have issues, but there is no reason to do away with them, as there would be no powed balance

The only thing unions are good for is legalized extortion.

Originally posted by Robtard
She's not right in the head. Just keep that in mind.

because I'm the first person to ever make a sarcastic comment to Jackie

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only thing unions are good for is legalized extortion.

or, like, ensuring that conflicts of interest don't exist in the people running the company, or to make sure people aren't working for no pay, or... well ya, legalized extortion

Originally posted by inimalist
because I'm the first person to ever make a sarcastic comment to Jackie



or, like, ensuring that conflicts of interest don't exist in the people running the company, or to make sure people aren't working for no pay, or... well ya, legalized extortion

All that stuff is covered by labour laws like the Labour Relations Act and Canadia Labour Code. Presumably the United States have similar laws?

We are off topic though. POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN! Thumbs up.

Originally posted by inimalist
because I'm the first person to ever make a sarcastic comment to Jackie

Easy, wasn't sure if you knew her situation.

When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.

It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
All that stuff is covered by labour laws like the Labour Relations Act and Canadia Labour Code. Presumably the United States have similar laws?

not exactly...

we just had a vote at our school about grad students who were being given too much work for their pay, and couldn't complain because the people who cut their cheques were also their advisors.

I suppose a full class action suit against the University might have been possible, but it is far less likely to go anywhere, and the university certainly has more resources to throw at something like this than do a bunch of poor students.

If we had some type of "lobour police" that actively investigated this, and had the teeth to punish companies found in violation, sure, maybe that would make unions unnecessary, but at the same time, that would essentially just make everyone a member of a single state run union...

like, there are laws against murder, that doesn't stop murder. Knowing the police might arrest the guy after he finishes killing you isn't really that comforting when what you need is a way to, right now, stop him from assaulting you. A union gives people that power. While the actions of a company might be illegal, that is moot if the people being victimized have no ability to stop the illegal treatment, save a long, protracted legal suit that will cost copious amounts of time and money and has no guarantee of turning out their way, especially given how much more power a large company would have to influence the legal system, but it through simple lawyering or more shady things, like campaign contributions, etc.

Surely we can also think of violations that aren't specifically illegal. You know, like collective bargaining against mandatory pay freezes that don't affect people in management, cronyism or favoritism.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.

It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.

wait... why would you ever watch it if you knew she hated it...

thats a wicked fetish!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only thing unions are good for is legalized extortion. I agree here. People can vote with their feet, if they don't like it, they can always leave. Unions had their part but they do more damage than good. A big reason why jobs are going elsewhere.

She wanted me to see what she had to endure. Nobody should have to lower themselves to that level unwillingly.
Some girls like doing it for some odd reason and it isn't my place to judge. But she's never going to tell her kids.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree here. People can vote with their feet, if they don't like it, they can always leave. Unions had their part but they do more damage than good. A big reason why jobs are going elsewhere.

just so I have this straight, your suggestion to the MA students in engineering at my school would be, "just drop out, that will make it better"?

like, do I need to address how nonsensical that is, or do you get it?

Originally posted by inimalist
just so I have this straight, your suggestion to the MA students in engineering at my school would be, "just drop out, that will make it better"?

like, do I need to address how nonsensical that is, or do you get it? Well ultimately any organization is funded by something, in that case the students. If a person feels they are mistreated that badly they are free to leave.

Some unions may do some good, but generally speaking they are more trouble than they are worth. They are often more corrupt than the company they are facing.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.

It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.

Made her do? I don't think she was forced, was she?

What exactly was she doing? Because there is porn that's just basically 'vanilla' sex, she could have done that, no?

Things that a porn (and/or prostitution if it were legalized) union would be responsible for-
-collective bargaining and pressure for equal pay among actors regardless of gender.
-collective bargaining to eliminate unsafe practices.
-create and additional barrier in training and hiring to make sure people go into porn for the right reasons, minimize exploitation, and keep underage performers out of the industry.
-mandate and administer industry-wide STD checks on a regular basis for all performers.
-lobby against piracy to ensure fair pay.
-provide services to reintegrate retirees into normal life or other careers.
-help performers fund education.
-ensure access to medical care for all performers.

What she did was (hope I don't get banned so I'll try to use PG-13 language) more than 3 men at a time, bondage, multiple facials, swallowing semen from several men and BDSM. I can name the sites and movies, but she wouldn't like it. As I said, she's trying to forget it.

Originally posted by inimalist
not exactly...

we just had a vote at our school about grad students who were being given too much work for their pay, and couldn't complain because the people who cut their cheques were also their advisors.

I suppose a full class action suit against the University might have been possible, but it is far less likely to go anywhere, and the university certainly has more resources to throw at something like this than do a bunch of poor students.

If we had some type of "lobour police" that actively investigated this, and had the teeth to punish companies found in violation, sure, maybe that would make unions unnecessary, but at the same time, that would essentially just make everyone a member of a single state run union...

like, there are laws against murder, that doesn't stop murder. Knowing the police might arrest the guy after he finishes killing you isn't really that comforting when what you need is a way to, right now, stop him from assaulting you. A union gives people that power. While the actions of a company might be illegal, that is moot if the people being victimized have no ability to stop the illegal treatment, save a long, protracted legal suit that will cost copious amounts of time and money and has no guarantee of turning out their way, especially given how much more power a large company would have to influence the legal system, but it through simple lawyering or more shady things, like campaign contributions, etc.

Surely we can also think of violations that aren't specifically illegal. You know, like collective bargaining against mandatory pay freezes that don't affect people in management, cronyism or favoritism.

I don't know enough (or anything really) about the specifics of this situation, but I don't support notion that legal action would have been the only recourse. As though if one of the grad students when to the president of the university and said "I'm being exploited," the president would have said "Tough shit!"? There are plenty of avenues that an individual could have taken resolved that conflict.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
What she did was (hope I don't get banned so I'll try to use PG-13 language) more than 3 men at a time, bondage, multiple facials, swallowing semen from several men and BDSM. I can name the sites and movies, but she wouldn't like it. As I said, she's trying to forget it.

But she wasn't forced to do it. Sounds like she wanted/needed to make some fast money and probably didn't think it all the way through.

But I am a bit confused, 'movies' implies she kept going back. Not sure how that's a negative towards the porn industry.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well ultimately any organization is funded by something, in that case the students. If a person feels they are mistreated that badly they are free to leave.

Some unions may do some good, but generally speaking they are more trouble than they are worth. They are often more corrupt than the company they are facing.

lol

so, your advice would be, "drop out of your masters, do something else"

We both went to a very and I mean very expensive private school. She ran out of money and her parents were a "stand on your own two feet" type. She told me what she was going to do and I said it's a bad idea, but like you said the money was fast. She got a temporary contract and then came the films. The first one she made was boy-girl and she thought 'okay if this is going to like this, then I can handle it, but then the real real hardcore stuff came. When her contract was up, they offered to re-new it, but she flat out refused.

I just didn't like the way they exploited her. She's friggen hot, but now feels completely dirty. Her husband left her when he found out, but me and a few of my friends continue to stand by her side.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

so, your advice would be, "drop out of your masters, do something else" There are more than one ways to handle something rather than exploiting the company. Which is what generally happens.

Originally posted by inimalist
wait... why would you ever watch it if you knew she hated it...

thats a wicked fetish!

I'd prefer if she hated it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree here. People can vote with their feet, if they don't like it, they can always leave. Unions had their part but they do more damage than good. A big reason why jobs are going elsewhere.

Are we best friends now? High five! Now teach me to be photogenic and charismatic like you, you bastard!

I am against collective bargaining where it legally prohibits individual negotiation.


Just throwing that out there...

Well with unions they tend to take the rights away from others who don't want to be in the union too. Some mean well, but when the power and entitlement mentality comes in.... watch out.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are we best friends now? High five! Now teach me to be photogenic and charismatic like you, you bastard! I guess we have more in common than we think.

Can anyone knowingly stand by and allow their friend to abused in the most horrible way? After I found out my ex was cheating on me and I became a total mess (the bottle was best friend at the time), she was one of the ones who helped me get back on my feet. I never talk about what she did, but sometimes she does. Somehow I got to help her let go of what she did. Her stupid husband threw her out to the wolves instead of thinking 'what is done is done.'

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So, yeah, about the links to the films...

As I said in my first post, I respect and always will will respect her privacy and even though there is probably many men watching her films as I write this, I won't name the links or movies. But I will say, that she hated the interracial films because they physically hurt her. A 5'4 woman shouldn't have had that large of a guy basically using her as his personal punching bag.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
As I said in my first post, I respect and always will will respect her privacy and even though there is probably many men watching her films as I write this, I won't name the links or movies. But I will say, that she hated the interracial films because they physically hurt her. A 5'4 woman shouldn't have had that large of a guy basically using her as his personal punching bag.

Are you saying black people have fists for penises?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Can anyone knowingly stand by and allow their friend to abused in the most horrible way? After I found out my ex was cheating on me and I became a total mess (the bottle was best friend at the time), she was one of the ones who helped me get back on my feet. I never talk about what she did, but sometimes she does. Somehow I got to help her let go of what she did. Her stupid husband threw her out to the wolves instead of thinking 'what is done is done.'

Sounds like you're in love with her. So the easy fix is for you to date her. Unless you have a problem knowing she was DP'd and jizzed on by multiple other men?

I take it she did the porn before she was married or dating this guy?

Sure Rob, I do love her - always will. I care for her and do not consider him 'damaged' are 'used' goods. But, right now dating her is out of the question because she needs time to heal.

Bard, the interracial films she made, the guys . . . well lets just say they were abnormally large.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Sure Rob, I do love her - always will. I care for her and do not consider him 'damaged' are 'used' goods. But, right now dating her is out of the question because she needs time to heal.

Bard, the interracial films she made, the guys . . . well lets just say they were abnormally large.

Well to be fair, all penises pale next to mine.

Only because it's perpetually covered in the darkest of dark poop.

Originally posted by Robtard
Only because it's perpetually covered in the darkest of dark poop.

How dare you! Anal sex is an abomination against God.

I guess some peoples' exposure to unions has been far more negative than mine. If for no other reason, I like many of them on the idea that centralized power of any kind is to be avoided, and unions provided some needed balance in many job fields. Anything can be corrupt (gov't bodies, businesses, unions, etc.)...pointing to potential corruption invalidates nothing.

I also lived in Ohio until recently, am in education, and have seen firsthand how education is being and will continue to be raped over the coming years by the recent union laws. The same can be said of policemen and firefighters, though they haven't received the same publicity. Education as a whole has imploded as a profession in recent years, to the point where there's thousands upon thousands of grads each year and literally thousands less jobs for them to fill...the field is shrinking, not growing nor even staying the same. Higher unemployment, less teachers, bigger class sizes. And with teachers increasingly not being able to keep the rights and pay necessary, nor unable to fight for schools and their right to retain positions, there's been an exodus from the field that will have repercussions in about a decade.

To be clear, I think a largely privatized system of education might be better overall, so if I were "reworking" the system I might not need unions. But under the system we're in currently, to simply remove the unions is going to destroy education. One can see similarly obvious implications to cuts to police unions.

So maybe some are corrupt that I'm not familiar with (though, again, if there's to be corruption I'd rather see it on the side of workers, not companies or governments). But me? I have incredibly hard-working friends losing jobs over union dissolution.

....

So yeah, porn. I've met women with legit beef against porn as an industry. At its root, much of it is degrading even if no specific person is being hurt (or they're being well paid), so I can see the outrage. But otherwise, it's not going to incite evil that doesn't already exist within someone. Or, say, if you think porn is horrible for corruption reasons, you're going to have to take issue with all kinds of mass media like video games or movies for the same reason (and those reach far more minors). Like someone said earlier, porn existed in droves in pre-digital format as well. Nothing's really changed, it's just a new medium....hell, a new medium with easier access to parental controls, so it might be better than before.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There are more than one ways to handle something rather than exploiting the company. Which is what generally happens.

/facepalm

Originally posted by inimalist
/facepalm Education system, GM, Ford, etc.

You're welcome to disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I believe people are responsible for themselves. I don't mind a group coming in to complain, but unions tend to benefit the lazy.

Are all union worker's lazy? Far from it, but you know as well as I do that most people will take advantage of what they can and take more and more. There should be laws with companies and business and unions have done good things, but nowadays.... meh.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Education system, GM, Ford, etc.

You're welcome to disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I believe people are responsible for themselves. I don't mind a group coming in to complain, but unions tend to benefit the lazy.

Are all union worker's lazy? Far from it, but you know as well as I do that most people will take advantage of what they can and take more and more. There should be laws with companies and business and unions have done good things, but nowadays.... meh.

except that, in your world, workers should just quit whenever there is an abuse of power...

I'm glad your life goals and responsibilities are such that you think such flexibility is something all people have

Originally posted by inimalist
except that, in your world, workers should just quit whenever there is an abuse of power...

I'm glad your life goals and responsibilities are such that you think such flexibility is something all people have People have other options if they don't like the place they're at. Work somewhere else, get an education, start a business, invest, etc. Eventually the job will have to change to keep them.

Btw I'm not talking about anything illegal, but a person being dissatisfied doesn't entitle them to anything.

I made my own path. I have no need of a job. People are a product of what they do.

So off topic from porn.

Throwing this out here again, unions and organizations are good as long as they don't get special treatment from the government.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Throwing this out here again, unions and organizations are good as long as they don't get special treatment from the government. True, or go too far. They generally start out with good intents though.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
People have other options if they don't like the place they're at. Work somewhere else, get an education, start a business, invest, etc. Eventually the job will have to change to keep them.

Btw I'm not talking about anything illegal, but a person being dissatisfied doesn't entitle them to anything.

I made my own path. I have no need of a job. People are a product of what they do.

So off topic from porn.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm glad your life goals and responsibilities are such that you think such flexibility is something all people have

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Originally posted by Bardock42
Throwing this out here again, unions and organizations are good as long as they don't get special treatment from the government.

agreed. it would also be good if a type of voluntary membership could be worked out, even if it was an opt out type thing

Originally posted by Bardock42
Throwing this out here again, unions and organizations are good as long as they don't get special treatment from the government.

Which is just a round about way of saying that unions are bad.

I know loads of women that love porn as much as guys. Most girls will text pics of themselves in a relationship. So what?

Did you know underage people get in trouble for that in the US?

Originally posted by inimalist
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agreed. it would also be good if a type of voluntary membership could be worked out, even if it was an opt out type thing My life is that way because I made it that way, just like anybody else can. Not because of "luck" or something falling into my lap.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which is just a round about way of saying that unions are bad.

Not at all.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not at all. Well the unions who get more powerful have more money and then use that money in politics which leads to preferential treatment.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well the unions who get more powerful have more money and then use that money in politics which leads to preferential treatment.

So do companies, and either is just as bad and should be fought.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So do companies, and either is just as bad and should be fought. True there are some companies who do that. My problem is the entitlement aspect. Unions bleeding money from business they never started and feeling like they deserve it and complaining that jobs are going elsewhere. They are welcome to do that, but the business owner is welcome to go somewhere else for labor.

Unions often don't even use the money for the people at the bottom of the union but the top. It ends up with less quality, more money wasted, and then you can't fire those people.

Again, does that mean all Unions do that? Of course not, many are too small too. But the big ones do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Did you know underage people get in trouble for that in the US?


Yes I do,they do in the UK as well and rightly so.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Yes I do,they do in the UK as well and rightly so. What I mean is if a 15 year old girl sends their 15 year old boyfriend a pic of themselves naked, they will get in trouble for possessing and distributing child porn. They become sex offenders and it sticks with them.

That's not good at all.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My life is that way because I made it that way, just like anybody else can. Not because of "luck" or something falling into my lap.

EDIT:

whatever, you are sooo right

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What I mean is if a 15 year old girl sends their 15 year old boyfriend a pic of themselves naked, they will get in trouble for possessing and distributing child porn. They become sex offenders and it sticks with them.

That's not good at all.

No that's not good, it's not good at all.

Originally posted by inimalist
this doesn't change my response at all

do you want further congradulations for never taking a job that might put you in a vulnerable situation, such as a Grad student whose advisor also is the one who pays them? would you like accalades for never living paycheque to paycheque?

but no, I suppose you are right, the things that worked for you will work for everyone because there is nobody whose situation puts them at the mercy of the people they work for.

I mean, look at me. Sure, it only took 4-5 years of busting my ass to get into grad school, sure, I put in 40 hour weeks so that I can barely afford my rent and bills, sure, I've already gone through an applications process that costs hundreds of dollars and moved half way across the country to achieve my goals, but you are sooooo ****ing right. You are soooo right. Any problem, I can just go to the next university and be a neuroscientist. soooo right, I'm glad you pointed this out to me. I'm not dependant on my job to accomplish my dreams or to continue living, I can just tell my advisor to shove it when he wants me to work hours I'm not being paid for (he doesn't, but many students at my school are in this position). Jeez, thank you, really, thank you, I feel so free now, the world is my oyster. I just have to move back home and not want to be a scientist, then I can find a way to live where I don't have to rely on some type of collective barganing. thank you thank you thank you.

seriously, grow up I have no need for your congratulations. I wake up and love the life I chose and that's the best thing for me.

No, people will have to find what works for them, but we all have a choice, this entitlement mentality is what's causing so many problems.

Who told you to go to that school? To accept that job? Those hours? That money? People have been trained to rely on a job, it doesn't mean that is the only way. I mean look at me. Busting my ass off, far harder than an employee has to bust theirs. Working on the site and at home until I had the freedom. Going to school, working another job, putting up with crap there, blah blah blah. I grew up in one of the poorest areas in the country with nothing, and I've seen both sides so the pity story doesn't work with me. If a person wants something, they'll get it. A degree guarantees nothing, and nor does anything else.

A person can negotiate their pay, or they can leave. Work harder, smarter, invest, etc. There are some who chose to do that, even at a young age, most do not. They accept the life that most leave and are trapped into the cycle of work/bills until they die. I knew that wasn't the life I wanted, so I worked harder earlier and used more leverage to get where I am now.

Seriously, learn something new, shame you have to rely on insulting people because they don't agree with your point. And I'm the one that needs to grow up? Please.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A person can negotiate their pay, or they can leave.

so if my university wants me to work hours I'm not paid for, I should drop out

its not worth debating you if you don't realize how insane that sounds

Originally posted by inimalist
so if my university wants me to work hours I'm not paid for, I should drop out

its not worth debating you if you don't realize how insane that sounds Honestly the union thing should be directed to another thread.

I'll put it this way. One can either discuss the mistreatment with the necessary parties or leave. Now if the situation was something extreme or illegal, then you should take further action. But the general job complaints don't entitle someone to something.

Is it illegal for them to have you work for free, without any type of school "credit" or recommendations?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Is it illegal for them to have you work for free, without any type of school "credit" or recommendations?

I'm sure it is...

are you suggesting a lawsuit against the university I want to go to is a good idea? or something that is even practical?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Honestly the union thing should be directed to another thread.

I'll put it this way. 1 can either talk about the mistreatment or leave. Now if the situation was something extreme or illegal, then you should take further action. But the general job complaints don't entitle someone to something.

Is it illegal for them to have you work for free, without any type of school "credit" or recommendations?

Sadly that's a lot of Professional big P jobs. In the U.K. the public sector which i'm in makes me take work home beyond what I should all the time.

I have a better idea...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have no need for your congratulations. I wake up and love the life I chose and that's the best thing for me.

No, people will have to find what works for them, but we all have a choice, this entitlement mentality is what's causing so many problems.

Who told you to go to that school? To accept that job? Those hours? That money? People have been trained to rely on a job, it doesn't mean that is the only way. I mean look at me. Busting my ass off, far harder than an employee has to bust theirs. Working on the site and at home until I had the freedom. Going to school, working another job, putting up with crap there, blah blah blah. I grew up in one of the poorest areas in the country with nothing, and I've seen both sides so the pity story doesn't work with me. If a person wants something, they'll get it. A degree guarantees nothing, and nor does anything else.

A person can negotiate their pay, or they can leave. Work harder, smarter, invest, etc. There are some who chose to do that, even at a young age, most do not. They accept the life that most leave and are trapped into the cycle of work/bills until they die. I knew that wasn't the life I wanted, so I worked harder earlier and used more leverage to get where I am now.

Seriously, learn something new, shame you have to rely on insulting people because they don't agree with your point. And I'm the one that needs to grow up? Please.

Not going to insult you here, you know you're good with me CM, but I'm with inamilist here in terms of the argument. Presuming that everyone has all kinds of feasible options, or that hard work alone solves all job-related issues, or that everyone has flexibility in their life situation to simply do exactly what they want, is frankly naive at best.

You're a DIY case that is successful, and good for you. But it isn't that way for everyone, and that includes those who worked just as hard, are as smart or smarter, and have not stayed in the same track the entire time. Your approach also doesn't count for mitigating circumstances outside a person's control in their life, like family situation. Nor does it account for those who really DON'T know another way of doing things (not all of our life experiences lead to the same methods of thinking), but have applied themselves all the same, or have parents to feed, families to support, etc. etc.

Thousands upon thousands of people are in such circumstances, and many of them would either laugh at you or punch you in the face if you told them these words. I'm not among them, I can't bring myself to be terribly upset about opinions more often than not and can understand your point even while disagreeing with it. But it's easy to bristle at such words as "entitlement" when describing people scrapping for an existence, or "if someone wants something, they'll get it" when we're talking about a system of finite resources where there will be those without anything despite any amount of hard work, and those with a lot despite having done relatively little.

Your independence is cool, but it need not be anti-union. Sure, unions can be corrupt. Any controlling body can. But I really do see more potential for corruption on the side of businesses when there isn't the union "check" to keep it in place. Because really, if you want to get rid of people being "wage slaves" (not your words, but the gist is there), bring back unions.

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So, porn? Honestly, this is real discussion, so I don't have an issue with it. Sorry for hijacking the thread though, to the thread starter.

It's especially funny because I know lots of people who were successful despite extreme poverty and they all have nothing but support for unions and government regulation...

apparently there's a union thread now.

Comment taken to appropriate thread.

Originally posted by Digi
apparently there's a union thread now. Let me take my comment there.

Why's the discussion about boring unions when it's supposed to be about sexy porn? Especially when there's a union thread literally one thread below this one? Oh good, Union comment gone. Back to porn.

Yes, porn is awesome and wonderful and pleasant and shows what's great in the world.

lol

Porn is not bad, it's just boring.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
She wanted me to see what she had to endure. Nobody should have to lower themselves to that level unwillingly.
Some girls like doing it for some odd reason and it isn't my place to judge. But she's never going to tell her kids. Nobody does have to lower themselves like that unwillingly. If they're forced then someone else lowered them. If they're not forced then they're not doing anything unwillingly.

It's just like how it was her will to show it to you and your will to watch it. And it all sounds a little freaky to me cause if I made a video I was trying to forget about 1) I wouldn't have it. 2) I wouldn't SHARE it!

Originally posted by inimalist
who? name one person who was driven to rape from porn

All you have to do is look in the papers and police reports.To know that it is true.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
All you have to do is look in the papers and police reports.To know that it is true.

You read police reports regularly?

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
All you have to do is look in the papers and police reports.To know that it is true.

if it is so simple, could you provide a single example?

I just did.And this is what I think of it.If you disargee then you disargee.

Of course porn isn't bad, it's got me through many a break up and lonely night.

You need porn to get you over a breakup.I did not and I am very please to say that I had found my future husband at my job.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You need porn to get you over a breakup.I did not and I am very please to say that I had found my future husband at my job.

Not all relationships are for life. I hope yours is; however, if it isn't you may find flicking your bean to a stallion on TV some night excellent solace.. You may not ;-)

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Not all relationships are for life. I hope yours is; however, if it isn't you may find flicking your bean to a stallion on TV some night excellent solace.. You may not ;-)

Flicking your bean to a stallion on TV....

And the mental images begin...

Originally posted by TacDavey
Flicking your bean to a stallion on TV....

And the mental images begin...

Haha :-) That's porn lol

Nope.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You need porn to get you over a breakup.I did not and I am very please to say that I had found my future husband at my job.

You might not watch porn, but I am certain your husband does. How do you feel about this?

Denial, I imagine.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Not all relationships are for life. I hope yours is; however, if it isn't you may find flicking your bean to a stallion on TV some night excellent solace.. You may not ;-)

Maybe but it is not going to help you find that special someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with.

Something wrong with you if you need porn to get over breaking up with someone...

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Maybe but it is not going to help you find that special someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with.

no, but it's an enjoyable diversion as you prepare to try and trust people again.

Originally posted by MildPossession
Something wrong with you if you need porn to get over breaking up with someone...

I enjoy porn within relationships as well- particularly making my own.
You most have- you know texted pics of yourself to guys before, surely?

Originally posted by coolmovies
with internet the availabilty of porn has doubled putting children and family's at risk. yet we see more new websites everyday.

Is porn bad ?? plzz keep it a clean tread

For adults? No. I enjoy porn no and then.

But with younger and younger children accessing the internet, it can be a scary thing, as a parent.

But the responibility goes to the parents. Block the sites and their won't be a problem.

Originally posted by coolmovies
Is porn bad ??

no, son. porn's good.

How does it make you trust people again?

No, I'm not an idiot or a slapper.

Originally posted by MildPossession
No, I'm not an idiot or a slapper.

Didn't say you were and neither are the millions of women- more earthy about there sexuality than you; who do, text bf, husbands and just guys they like said pics or the guys who love to text similar pics back. :-)

You have no idea about my sexuality thank you. I'm just someone who doesn't need to send photos via a mobile phone to men.

I've worked with a lot of women who have shared photos in that way, and once broken up, or not broken up even, those men who received the photos have shared them with other men, put them on the internet for all to see. - and this happens A LOT, especially and disgustingly among girls who are under 16.

Yes, idiotic indeed.

As a man, I can not for the life of me understand why you think it's a bad thing for a woman's pictures to end up all over the internet.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
As a man, I can not for the life of me understand why you think it's a bad thing for a woman's pictures to end up all over the internet.

infringement concerning the distribution of copyrighted material

I don't see there names on it.

Originally posted by MildPossession
No, I'm not an idiot or a slapper.
What is a slapper?

English idiom or am I just lame?

I thought the same thing. But I bash english people too much.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't see there names on it.

idgi

ya , i think porn is bad . It puts a bad effects on children ...And it 'll diificull for parents to handles their children...............

S.l.u.t.

But more or less a nicer way of putting it...

Porn isn't inherently bad but if were honest alot of it is exploitation. I don't think anybody wants their mother or daugther to be in porn. I don't think people grow up wanting to be porn stars, probably something Fed up happens to them and then they get into it.

Originally posted by MildPossession
You have no idea about my sexuality thank you. I'm just someone who doesn't need to send photos via a mobile phone to men.

I've worked with a lot of women who have shared photos in that way, and once broken up, or not broken up even, those men who received the photos have shared them with other men, put them on the internet for all to see. - and this happens A LOT, especially and disgustingly among girls who are under 16.

Yes, idiotic indeed.

Obviously the women you hang with have been with the wrong guys......... It's not my fault you and your friends make bad choices about who you're intimate with. :-)

Do you even read through posts... what a ****ing idiot.

Things are heating up now. boxing

Originally posted by MildPossession
You have no idea about my sexuality thank you. I'm just someone who doesn't need to send photos via a mobile phone to men.

I've worked with a lot of women who have shared photos in that way, and once broken up, or not broken up even, those men who received the photos have shared them with other men, put them on the internet for all to see. - and this happens A LOT, especially and disgustingly among girls who are under 16.

Yes, idiotic indeed.

Yes all men are evil and sinister, always looking to ruin womens lives.

Perhaps next time, as was stated, your friends would be more careful who they get into a relationship with.

I didn't say that in the slightest about men. And another one who didn't read properly, I didn't say my friends.

Originally posted by MildPossession
You have no idea about my sexuality thank you. I'm just someone who doesn't need to send photos via a mobile phone to men.

I've worked with a lot of women who have shared photos in that way, and once broken up, or not broken up even, those men who received the photos have shared them with other men, put them on the internet for all to see. - and this happens A LOT, especially and disgustingly among girls who are under 16.

Yes, idiotic indeed.

I've never known a guy to distribute pictures or videos of their GFs without consent... and most of my friends have a good collection of their SO, myself included (when I had a SO I suppose)

It happens a lot, sure, but from pretty sleezy guys. Not to just jump on the bandwagon, but taking pictures can be awesomely sexy, and it seems like your friends just learned a lesson in who to trust

I didn't say friends. Again...

I don't know what age you are and how countries differ, but the
generation of teenagers now and so on, it happens a lot here in Britain.

Even with women who have been with their partner for a long time, they suddenly change and post the photos. One example, a man can get very angry and in the heat of the moment, text the photo to someone, and that person can put the photo about.

Not as simple as that excuse of learning who to trust.

It definitely happens, and you should be very sure of the trustworthiness of your partner before sending sexual pictures to them, if that's the case it can be fun, though there's always a risk. I understand women who categorically don't do it, though, in our society something like that getting out can severely damage your reputation and harm you in many ways.

I say women, cause I believe the consequences (if there are any) are much less severe for men.

Anyway, why are you using mobiles... use a proper camera, that way at least they can't be sent straight away via text and you can keep an eye on them easily compared.

There is also the risk of forgetting you have the photos on the phone at one moment in time, let a 'friend' go on it, they find the photos and decide, ooo I'll send this to my mate to show how hot my friend's girlfriend is, and then that mate decides, I'll stick it on facebook... then some past woman, that's the evil b.i.t.c.h who stole my man off me, I'll spread this photo all over the net to show how slu.tty she is, and so on and so on.

All sorts of ways.

Originally posted by MildPossession
Anyway, why are you using mobiles... use a proper camera, that way at least they can't be sent straight away via text and you can keep an eye on them easily compared.

There is also the risk of forgetting you have the photos on the phone at one moment in time, let a 'friend' go on it, they find the photos and decide, ooo I'll send this to my mate to show how hot my friend's girlfriend is, and then that mate decides, I'll stick it on facebook... then some past woman, that's the evil b.i.t.c.h who stole my man off me, I'll spread this photo all over the net to show how slu.tty she is, and so on and so on.

All sorts of ways.

you know some really shitty people....

I don't. I'm not talking about my friends for the 1000th time...

Originally posted by MildPossession
I don't. I'm not talking about my friends for the 1000th time...

don't know why you sent this to my PM:



but fine, the people you work with know some shitty people

lol, if all you pissed at is that I'm implying these people were your friend, LOL, ooooh, sorry /ffs

whoever it is, they obviously don't know how to tell an untrustworthy person. If you are in a group of friends who you couldn't trust not to spread naked photos of yourself or your girl friend, you need help in deciding who would make a good friend.

Don't post PMs, they're called "private messages" for a reason.