Glory vs. A Promethean Giant

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Endless Mike
How this goes?

Gecko4lif
The giants havent shown much really

Omega Vision
We know Giants are > to Heralds and that Darkseid considered them to be his Ultimate Weapon (above Brimstone).

But really there's not much to go on.

celeyhyga17
I'll tell you this much, Glory for all his implied power is a weaksauce. I know he lost to a clear "high" herald (Thor), but in the end he lost only to a herald.

Igniz
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'll tell you this much, Glory for all his implied power is a weaksauce. I know he lost to a clear "high" herald (Thor), but in the end he lost only to a herald.

Glory lost to Thor because of a plot device.Becca prayed and her prayer was answered.I posted this scan on another thread.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/ThordefeatedGlorybecauseofBeccasprayertoTOAA.jpg?t=1303205166

Guess who answered Becca's prayer big grin

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Igniz
Guess who answered Becca's prayer big grin Thanos?

Igniz
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Thanos?

I laughing laughing laughing laughing at this response.

rotiart
Glory was defeated the second time because of the prayer but Thor was severely injured in the second outing...

In the first outing Thor almost beat the create by himself... Basically issue one shows Thor doing well... Issue two is a very weak Thor...

Nice try

Igniz
Originally posted by rotiart
Glory was defeated the second time because of the prayer but Thor was severely injured in the second outing...

In the first outing Thor almost beat the create by himself... Basically issue one shows Thor doing well... Issue two is a very weak Thor...

Nice try

blink I wonder if this is one of your attempts to downplay Glory.I also remember Becca Praying in the 1st issue as well.Special Thanks to ODG for the scan.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory01ChaosWarThor1.jpg

And If you really read the story.It was the Spark(plot device) that enabled Thor to finally beat Glory in the 1st issue, the nature of it was revealed in issue 2 were Becca stated the creator of all Gods and Men answered her prayer.I wonder who Becca is talking about?Hmm?Again, Special thanks to ODG.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory05.jpg

And if I remember correctly, Glory was already described as being like Odin w/ all the essence of the Asgardians inside him/it.Are you willing to say Thor is above Celestial Level now if he can beat someone who has the essence of 10,000 Gods w/o a plot device?I remember Odin once took all the essence of the Asgardians(minus Thor of course) and with the Destroyer armor to be on equal footing with a Celestial at least.

CosmicComet
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'll tell you this much, Glory for all his implied power is a weaksauce. I know he lost to a clear "high" herald (Thor), but in the end he lost only to a herald.

Glory was way out of Thor's power league.

Thor did not beat Glory, and with a plot device while nearly casually killed, he was barely able to make it out of round 1. And got his ass saved in rd 2.

Colossus-Big C
thor never beat glory directly, any one who read the comic would know that.
also the guy was causually ripping apart planets with his bare hands

753
Originally posted by Igniz
blink I wonder if this is one of your attempts to downplay Glory.I also remember Becca Praying in the 1st issue as well.Special Thanks to ODG for the scan.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory01ChaosWarThor1.jpg

And If you really read the story.It was the Spark(plot device) that enabled Thor to finally beat Glory in the 1st issue, the nature of it was revealed in issue 2 were Becca stated the creator of all Gods and Men answered her prayer.I wonder who Becca is talking about?Hmm?Again, Special thanks to ODG.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory05.jpg

And if I remember correctly, Glory was already described as being like Odin w/ all the essence of the Asgardians inside him/it.Are you willing to say Thor is above Celestial Level now if he can beat someone who has the essence of 10,000 Gods w/o a plot device?I remember Odin once took all the essence of the Asgardians(minus Thor of course) and with the Destroyer armor to be on equal footing with a Celestial at least. didnt that celestial rape odin in the armor?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Igniz
blink I wonder if this is one of your attempts to downplay Glory.I also remember Becca Praying in the 1st issue as well.Special Thanks to ODG for the scan.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory01ChaosWarThor1.jpg

And If you really read the story.It was the Spark(plot device) that enabled Thor to finally beat Glory in the 1st issue, the nature of it was revealed in issue 2 were Becca stated the creator of all Gods and Men answered her prayer.I wonder who Becca is talking about?Hmm?Again, Special thanks to ODG.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGlory05.jpg

Hold on, are you saying that when Thor withstood his attack and redirected it at Glory in the first issue, that was due to the TOAA?

Her spark/prayer reached Thor due to her ancestors being early worshipers of Thor -it's one of the reasons she was not in a coma like the rest of the world; Thor protected her from Chaos King's mental attack on mortals- and it reignited his will. There's a reason it was called a "spark". Glory was a psychic entity that was constantly eating away at Thor's will/psyche. It was a play on Thor being a god and what connection prayers have on him. As long as someone believes/prays to Thor, he can't cease to exist.

In the second fight however, it was ultimately Donald and Becca praying to TOAA that destroyed Glory. However, the Chaos King was directly amping Glory in the second fight which is why when Thor destroyed it again, and again, it reformed.

Colossus-Big C
thor never withstood his attack, mljonir did while thor died in process. nice try

scans of thor destoying depowerd glory form in issue 2 . even while being severley reduced from a solar system size body to an insect like creature he still was on the verge of killing thor

Glory>>>DP Glory>Thor

Colossus-Big C
the part in issue one where glory with his first attack kills thor and the narration reads "and thor would of died there if not for the spark"
makes it very clear if not for becca prayers thor would of been one shotted-killed by glory

Igniz
Originally posted by 753
didn't that celestial rape odin in the armor?

I did say at least to match the power of a Celestial(Singular).Odin got owned when the Celestials(Plural) combined their attacks against him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hold on, are you saying that when Thor withstood his attack and redirected it at Glory in the first issue, that was due to the TOAA?

Before issue 1 came out, everybody was baffled on how Thor would beat Glory(since he was described being like Odin with all the essence of Asgardians inside him/it).And when issue 1 came out, we were baffled on what the nature of the spark is since this allowed Thor to beat Glory the 1st time.In issue 2, it was revealed by Becca that the creator of all gods and men answered her prayer, and she was praying in issue 1.So its logical to think it was TOAA who answered her prayer in both issue 1 and 2 after all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Her spark/prayer reached Thor due to her ancestors being early worshipers of Thor -it's one of the reasons she was not in a coma like the rest of the world; Thor protected her from Chaos King's mental attack on mortals- and it reignited his will. There's a reason it was called a "spark". Glory was a psychic entity that was constantly eating away at Thor's will/psyche. It was a play on Thor being a god and what connection prayers have on him. As long as someone believes/prays to Thor, he can't cease to exist.

Rage I respect you, but in what issue Becca was revealed to have Viking linage?I might agree with the Becca praying to Thor that's why she's not in a wake/sleep coma, but if there's more to it of Becca being/or having Viking linage, I want to know what issue this was stated.Besides, the writer of the Elder Edda stated that there is a God mightier than Odin who would bring new heaven and earth(in Norse Myth).This is what comes to my mind when I read CW:Thor issue 1 and 2(Becca's statement).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In the second fight however, it was ultimately Donald and Becca praying to TOAA that destroyed Glory. However, the Chaos King was directly amping Glory in the second fight which is why when Thor destroyed it again, and again, it reformed.

This I agree.And that is why Thor needed an amp more powerful than the amp Chaos King was giving Glory.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thor never withstood his attack, mljonir did while thor died in process. nice try

scans of thor destoying depowerd glory form in issue 2 . even while being severley reduced from a solar system size body to an insect like creature he still was on the verge of killing thor

Glory>>>DP Glory>Thor

Thor withstood his attacks at various points throughout the issue but I was referring to this particular scene:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg

Glory blasts Thor with totality of his power and Thor withstands the attack. Thor is then able to lift up his hammer to absorb the attack and redirect it.

Glory never had a Solar System sized body and read the second issue. Thor releases an omnidirectional attack etc. but Glory keeps reforming. This was because the Chaos King was directly amping him. True, Glory began to absorb Thor but like I said, he was amped and all that. The mortals also urged him to give in.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the part in issue one where glory with his first attack kills thor and the narration reads "and thor would of died there if not for the spark"
makes it very clear if not for becca prayers thor would of been one shotted-killed by glory

One shotted? Anyways, I'm not going to waste time pointing shit out to you.

It's true Thor would have died if not for the spark after Glory's attacks, but from what I can gather, you're attempting to turn it into something it's not. Becca's prayer reignited Thor's will. That entire scenario was about metaphysical crap like the writer is known for. Thor didn't become more durable, Mjolnir didn't become more powerful. As long as you understand that, I have no issue.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Igniz
Before issue 1 came out, everybody was baffled on how Thor would beat Glory(since he was described being like Odin with all the essence of Asgardians inside him/it).And when issue 1 came out, we were baffled on what the nature of the spark is since this allowed Thor to beat Glory the 1st time.In issue 2, it was revealed by Becca that the creator of all gods and men answered her prayer, and she was praying in issue 1.So its logical to think it was TOAA who answered her prayer in both issue 1 and 2 after all.

I don't particularly care if people want explanations for a higher end feat from Thor. The spark's nature was made clear in the first issue, it was a prayer that reignited Thor's will to fight.

I highly doubt TOAA was responsible for Thor defeating Glory in the first issue.

I'm also pretty sure that it took both Blake and Becca praying to accomplish what they did.

Originally posted by Igniz
Rage I respect you, but in what issue Becca was revealed to have Viking linage?I might agree with the Becca praying to Thor that's why she's not in a wake/sleep coma, but if there's more to it of Becca being/or having Viking linage, I want to know what issue this was stated.Besides, the writer of the Elder Edda stated that there is a God mightier than Odin who would bring new heaven and earth(in Norse Myth).This is what comes to my mind when I read CW:Thor issue 1 and 2(Becca's statement).

Thanks I guess. Here is the scan from the second issue:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7303/chaoswarthor2011.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/43/chaoswarthor2020.jpg

The reason her spark was drawn to him was because of the connection she has to Thor in the depths of her soul. She is an ancestor of worshipers, and it was her spark that called Thor to Earth from what I understand. It was basically an answer to her prayers. It was also her believe in him the reason why he was revived/restored. It is why Blake needed her to transform as I understand it.

Colossus-Big C
SO @ Rageofolympus IYO glory is what high herald?
do you think gladiator can beat glory?

Igniz
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't particularly care if people want explanations for a higher end feat from Thor. The spark's nature was made clear in the first issue, it was a prayer that reignited Thor's will to fight.

I highly doubt TOAA was responsible for Thor defeating Glory in the first issue.

I'm also pretty sure that it took both Blake and Becca praying to accomplish what they did.

I'm not trying to refute what the spark did to Thor.But Chaos War:Thor#1 and #2 does have a moral lesson to it.Even some of the guys who reviewed this tie-ins actually noticed it.Take Becca for example, she symbolizes a person who has what we call a crisis in faith.And her prayer according to her was answered by the creator of all gods and men(TOAA) in CW:Thor issue 2.The moral of the story?Never lose hope and always pray to God.That's why I think it was TOAA who helped Thor in issue 1 and 2.I seem to remember even Thor confirmed the existence of TOAA.

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Thor.html





Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks I guess. Here is the scan from the second issue:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7303/chaoswarthor2011.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/43/chaoswarthor2020.jpg

The reason her spark was drawn to him was because of the connection she has to Thor in the depths of her soul. She is an ancestor of worshipers, and it was her spark that called Thor to Earth from what I understand. It was basically an answer to her prayers. It was also her believe in him the reason why he was revived/restored. It is why Blake needed her to transform as I understand it.

Those scans are circumstantial at best because of Becca's statement in issue 2 and since the writers intended this story to have a moral lesson in it.But those scans also make me want to say hope they give Becca more appearances in order to explore who she really is to Thor.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Igniz
I'm not trying to refute what the spark did to Thor.But Chaos War:Thor#1 and #2 does have a moral lesson to it.Even some of the guys who reviewed this tie-ins actually noticed it.Take Becca for example, she symbolizes a person who has what we call a crisis in faith.And her prayer according to her was answered by the creator of all gods and men(TOAA) in CW:Thor issue 2.The moral of the story?Never lose hope and always pray to God.That's why I think it was TOAA who helped Thor in issue 1 and 2.I seem to remember even Thor confirmed the existence of TOAA.

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TOAA's power destroyed Glory at the end of #2. That's about it.

Originally posted by Igniz
Those scans are circumstantial at best because of Becca's statement in issue 2 and since the writers intended this story to have a moral lesson in it.But those scans also make me want to say hope they give Becca more appearances in order to explore who she really is to Thor.

Circumstantial? It's pretty straight forward.

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
SO @ Rageofolympus IYO glory is what high herald?
do you think gladiator can beat glory?

No.

Colossus-Big C
no to which?

Zack Fair
Originally posted by Igniz
Glory lost to Thor because of a plot device.Becca prayed and her prayer was answered.I posted this scan on another thread.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/ThordefeatedGlorybecauseofBeccasprayertoTOAA.jpg?t=1303205166

Guess who answered Becca's prayer big grin

Morgan Freeman?

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