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Who wins?

Tangent supes no question.

I have a question.

whats the question

Originally posted by kgkg
I have a question. lol

is this a trick question.

Its a good scrap, I favor Cable.

Originally posted by kgkg
I have a question. Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol

It appears I must get out my magnifying glass as kgkg doesn't seem to understand what the "no question" in question is. Such levels of fail must be investigated and if found to be too massive the patient must be euthanized for fear of a fail epidemic spread by reading such things.

what are tangent's powers/feats? wikipedia doesnt give me anything and i keep trying to make him someone else entirely...

He's black.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
what are tangent's powers/feats? wikipedia doesnt give me anything and i keep trying to make him someone else entirely... He's me in comic form

Originally posted by Mindset
He's black. All that's needed, really.

Tangent wins.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
what are tangent's powers/feats? wikipedia doesnt give me anything and i keep trying to make him someone else entirely...

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Harvey_Dent_%28Earth-9%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t453166.html

I say split myself. I'd say he'd split X-Man as well.

Originally posted by Mindset
He's black.

it's this level of insight that has made you the legend that you are today.

lol

Tangent Superman wins 6/10.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's this level of insight that has made you the legend that you are today. Bow before me.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bow before me.

Gay.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Gay. Originally posted by kgkg
I have a question.

Ask away.

When did you come out of the closet?

Originally posted by Mindset
When did you come out of the closet?

After you swallowed my load. Sry, I closed the door and forgot you, sorry, really .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
After you swallowed my load. Sry, I closed the door and forgot you, sorry, really . That was marwash.

Reported for thinking all black ppl look alike.

Originally posted by Mindset
That was marwash.

Reported for thinking all black ppl look alike.

They don't? But... they are black!

Harvey

Originally posted by Uriel005
It appears I must get out my magnifying glass as kgkg doesn't seem to understand what the "no question" in question is. Such levels of fail must be investigated and if found to be too massive the patient must be euthanized for fear of a fail epidemic spread by reading such things. I was trying to be funny like Mindset did I fail?

No, Uriel did.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, Uriel did.



to be fair, they BOTH did.

I thought the joke was funny

Originally posted by leonidas


to be fair, they BOTH did. Glad I'm not your wife.

Originally posted by kgkg
Glad I'm not your wife.

we both are.

Originally posted by leonidas
we both are. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_koumq8y0XP1qz7b4yo1_500.gif

you canadians and your awesome senses of humour....

Harvey will get his clock cleaned by Cable. What exactly does Harvey bring to the table that threatens Cable. Certainly NOT his Telepathy or Telekinesis. Cable is the superior of the two, and one the greater battle tacticians in Marvel to boot.

Harvey, ftw.

He easily trounced the likes of: GL John, Superman, Tangent Atom and Flash (the same duo who owned Ion II), etc.

...And he also beat the Ultra-Humanite.

Originally posted by Galan007
Harvey, ftw.

He easily trounced the likes of: GL John, Superman, Tangent Atom and Flash (the same duo who owned Ion II), etc.

...And he also beat the Ultra-Humanite.

it seems that combat feats and who beat who don't count for as much as they used to.....

Originally posted by leonidas
it seems that combat feats and who beat who don't count for as much as they used to.....

True. Based on combat feats Harvey should take the majority. He also didn't have issues like running out of juice.

Originally posted by Allankles
True. Based on combat feats Harvey should take the majority. He also didn't have issues like running out of juice. He did have issues of running out of juice.

Originally posted by "Id"
He did have issues of running out of juice. Not for 1 herald level fight though.

Originally posted by "Id"
Harvey will get his clock cleaned by Cable. i read that wrong at first..... sweatdrop

Not sure how Cable's feats > SuperMAN's, given that the toughest opponent that Cable faced (A) was holding back tremendously, and (B) casually dropped him with eyebeams when he decided to get semi-serious.

Who said Surfer was holding back? Who said that Cable was going all-out?

Originally posted by Harbinger
Not sure how Cable's feats > SuperMAN's, given that the toughest opponent that Cable faced (A) was holding back tremendously, and (B) casually dropped him with eyebeams when he decided to get semi-serious. Only if you leave tangibles, such Cable weaken by the time Surfer came along. He did apply Telepathy/Telekinesis globally non stop without rest.

Originally posted by leonidas
it seems that combat feats and who beat who don't count for as much as they used to..... Sad, isn't it?

Originally posted by Uriel005
Not for 1 herald level fight though. This is true. Per Cable himself, his body couldn't hold up to the stress associated with that degree of energy output. His battle with Surfer nearly burned him out.

Originally posted by carver9
Who said Surfer was holding back? Who said that Cable was going all-out? The fact that Cable's energies were nearly depleted? The fact that Surfer owned him with a casual blast of his eye-beams after he got serious?

It's getting pretty tiring explaining to people how that was a non fight...

Originally posted by Galan007
Sad, isn't it?

This is true. Per Cable himself, his body couldn't hold up to the stress associated with that degree of energy output. His battle with Surfer nearly burned him out.

The fact that Cable's energies were nearly depleted? The fact that Surfer owned him with a casual blast of his eye-beams after he got serious?

So Surfer destroying a damaged body counts as something? Surfer fighting someone that was basically multitasking "globally" none stop, for days without any rest counts as something? Think Galan... Surfer was pretty much 100% when he faced Cable. That fight means nothing.

Kay, so what feats does "Gawd" Cable have that lead you to think he would be more than a nuisance to Surfer?

down carver; it was made plenty clear that cable was outclassed in that fight

Originally posted by leonidas
it seems that combat feats and who beat who don't count for as much as they used to.....

Combat feats are certainly important, but the context surrounding such feats also needs to be noted. Hence not just that he beat so and so character but how he beat so and so character and if it would be applicable in the particular versus match. Cuz getting caught up in A beat B, C and D, without seeing if the way that the characters were defeated is even applicable to a particular match leads to alot of silly arguments being made.

Originally posted by Galan007
Kay, so what feats does "Gawd" Cable have that lead you to think he would be more than a nuisance to Surfer?

His PL should be proof enough. Everything he did that entire run should have been enough proof. What type of power do you think it takes to give Surfer a challenge because anything you name, I'm pretty sure Cable has done it.

Originally posted by carver9
What type of power do you think it takes to give Surfer a challenge because anything you name, I'm pretty sure Cable has done it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Combat feats are certainly important, but the context surrounding such feats also needs to be noted. Hence not just that he beat so and so character but how he beat so and so character and if it would be applicable in the particular versus match. Cuz getting caught up in A beat B, C and D, without seeing if the way that the characters were defeated is even applicable to a particular match leads to alot of silly arguments being made.

Lets keep Surfer out of this thread.

Originally posted by Mindset

Originally posted by Mindset
It's getting pretty tiring explaining to people how that was a non fight... I love how they bring up Cable was hitting his stressing point in his fight with the Surfer, when he himself laid out his intentions to do as much as possible before reaching critical mass. Evident by the non stop TK/TP done globally by days on. SuperMANG by comparison, was gassed out in a single day.

Constantly applying TP/TK globally>>>>gassing after some good showings, in a single day.

Originally posted by carver9
His PL should be proof enough. Everything he did that entire run should have been enough proof. What type of power do you think it takes to give Surfer a challenge because anything you name, I'm pretty sure Cable has done it.


Like what?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Like what? For starters since putting together the floating City Providence. He held Providence afloat, and ionized the planets atmosphere with his telepathic wave. He did so non stop, even in his sleep, and through out his fight with the Surfer.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Combat feats are certainly important, but the context surrounding such feats also needs to be noted. Hence not just that he beat so and so character but how he beat so and so character and if it would be applicable in the particular versus match. Cuz getting caught up in A beat B, C and D, without seeing if the way that the characters were defeated is even applicable to a particular match leads to alot of silly arguments being made.

you know me well enough to know i'd never argue for just combat feats without context. but i've asked and received zero proof that cable was truly 'weakened' in that 'non-fight' with ss. i'm not saying they were both going all out, or that the fight may have been different under different circumstances. what i AM saying though is that ss was never ever in any danger at all from cable imo. and i thought it was clear based on the depictions that ss was well above cable. moreover, we've no idea how much help cable was lending to the recreation of the city.

did cable have great feats? undeniably. but it becomes difficult to transfer those feats into vs matches, and so where possible we look for combat feats and it seems the combat feats of some (superman in this case) are being denigrated in favor of cable's NON-COMBAT feats which while applicable in defining his scope, may NOT be directly applicable against an opponent--especially someone like superman who has some great combat feats.

s'all i'm sayin.

That's good and all, but I don't see how that's above TS, who took on entire teams and Ultra Humanite.

Originally posted by "Id"
For starters since putting together the floating City Providence. He held Providence afloat, and ionized the planets atmosphere with his telepathic wave. He did so non stop, even in his sleep, and through out his fight with the Surfer.

hey id, i keep hearing about this 'global ionization'. have you got a scan of the feat handy?

Cable could take on entire teams of Tangent Supes.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cable could take on entire teams of Tangent Supes.

maybe, but can he take on one.....?

Not only can he take him on...he, he can take him on.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not only can he take him on...he, he can take him on.

just so's you know--everytime you post something, i read your post then i read just the last panel in your sig.....

it cracks me up everytime. like right now. i just read it again.

Lmao, rage hasn't commented on it yet.

I crushed his spirit.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lmao, rage hasn't commented on it yet.

I crushed his spirit.



in his defence though, really, what the hell IS there to say? sometimes you just tip your king and shake hands.

I don't remember what I said, but I commented on it in the Off Topic Discussion thread a while back.

I'm curious how the sig was born. Was it me pointing out that Thor > Hercules?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I don't remember what I said, but I commented on it in the Off Topic Discussion thread a while back.

I'm curious how the sig was born. Was it me pointing out that Thor > Hercules?

apparently that spirit needs further crushing.....

Clearly.

I'd come up with my own sig but it'd be in bad taste.

Originally posted by leonidas
you know me well enough to know i'd never argue for just combat feats without context. but i've asked and received zero proof that cable was truly 'weakened' in that 'non-fight' with ss. i'm not saying they were both going all out, or that the fight may have been different under different circumstances. what i AM saying though is that ss was never ever in any danger at all from cable imo. and i thought it was clear based on the depictions that ss was well above cable. moreover, we've no idea how much help cable was lending to the recreation of the city.

did cable have great feats? undeniably. but it becomes difficult to transfer those feats into vs matches, and so where possible we look for combat feats and it seems the combat feats of some (superman in this case) are being denigrated in favor of cable's NON-COMBAT feats which while applicable in defining his scope, may NOT be directly applicable against an opponent--especially someone like superman who has some great combat feats.

s'all i'm sayin.

Very understandable and i agree on virtually all accounts., In regards to Cable's fight vs SS, i definitely do think SS was portrayed as superior even though both were not going all out. However i dont think that should be too much of a knock against cable given SS's powerset is one that counters his strongest attributes (telepathy and telekinesis) very well.

The comparison with Tangent superman i think is quite a tricky one though because while Tangent superman doesnt have the widescale tp and molecular tk feats of Cable, he does have good cases of him using these abilities against formidable opponents in battle. Moreover since these characters have similar powersets, it becomes a straight up question of who is more powerful in their area of specialization (psychic abilities, tk, tp etc). And in the determination of who is a more powerful or skilled psychic which in your opinion holds more weight for instance, restraining a Green lantern with tk vs levitating a structure the size of a small country, while simultaneously remotely detonating 247 missiles and funnelling the energy out of earths atmosphere?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly.

I'd come up with my own sig but it'd be in bad taste. u mad

Originally posted by psycho gundam
u mad

Originally posted by Naija boy
And in the determination of who is a more powerful or skilled psychic which in your opinion holds more weight for instance, restraining a Green lantern with tk vs levitating a structure the size of a small country, while simultaneously remotely detonating 247 missiles and funnelling the energy out of earths atmosphere?

i'll qualify my position and say, in general, because it's a vs forum, i'd personally put more stock in the combat feat--especially when you look further into what a gl is capable of. sometimes, a more generalized (though much wider scale) display of power is not the BEST way to judge. inanimate objects don't fight back afterall..... i say i qualified my opinion because it depends of course on the level of the combatants and the relative power of the one who was beaten. a gl is uber. was it a really powerful gl though? as a general rule, i think those types of displays (wide scale, non-battle feats) def have an important place as evidence--but when you are talking about vs matches, combat feats are still the MOST important single piece of evidence imo. i'll finish by saying that, like anything though, it depends on HOW impressive the non-combat feat was.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
u mad Originally posted by Mindset

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/62762ba6-8c5e-41ad-9abf-2dc02e66b0a3.gif

home video?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll qualify my position and say, in general, because it's a vs forum, i'd personally put more stock in the combat feat--especially when you look further into what a gl is capable of. sometimes, a more generalized (though much wider scale) display of power is not the BEST way to judge. inanimate objects don't fight back afterall..... i say i qualified my opinion because it depends of course on the level of the combatants and the relative power of the one who was beaten. a gl is uber. was it a really powerful gl though? as a general rule, i think those types of displays (wide scale, non-battle feats) def have an important place as evidence--but when you are talking about vs matches, combat feats are still the MOST important single piece of evidence imo. i'll finish by saying that, like anything though, it depends on HOW impressive the non-combat feat was.

Fair position. I do agree that in general combat feats are more important when taken in their proper context in relation to vs matches. I think it should be noted however that because of the way comics are written, these things should be looked at on a case by case basis because as u mentioed before, there is he issue of how impressive the non combat feat was, as well as other issues like the character having a powerset suited to defeat another character as well as the issue of characters fighting extremely stupidly (and i mean stupid even by their own standards).

Originally posted by leonidas
home video? Without the explosion, of course.

I don't think combat feat or more relivant because heros "job" majority of the time when facing a single character, especially a new character. Black Adam has ran through a group of mid/high heralds and people tend to give Superman the majority or a good fight against him, along with Thor and other heralds. Hulk has also ran through teams but in a forum match, people would give Thor the edge.

A true indication of power is the best route to take. Cable TP and TK feats are better but Tangent combat feats are better but if we look at combat feats, again, that make Black Adam>Surfer, Thor, Super, etc, etc, when all in all, he isn't.

superman has ran througth teams before and adam has done it more than once.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
superman has ran througth teams before and adam has done it more than once.

These are the people that has soloed the JLA.

The General, Shaggyman, Doctor Poloris, Deathstroke, Konvikt.

Make the thread...

Surfer vs either one of the contestants above.

Originally posted by carver9 These are the people that has soloed the JLA. The General, Shaggyman, Doctor Poloris, Deathstroke, Konvikt. Make the thread... Surfer vs either one of the contestants above.

what?

Don't fight it Prep Man, don't fight it...

im gonna fight carver until the day i die...unless he gives me those thor scans.

Originally posted by Mindset
Don't fight it Prep Man, don't fight it...

amen brutha......

Originally posted by leonidas
hey id, i keep hearing about this 'global ionization'. have you got a scan of the feat handy?
Of course. Its in the first few panels. You also find out that Emma psi shield barely hold with Cerebra unit.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3425/cabledeadpool0908.th.jpg

Originally posted by Prep-Man
im gonna fight carver until the day i die...unless he gives me those thor scans.

OMG

Originally posted by carver9
OMG Look here Carver. Me, and Mindset got this. You hear?

Originally posted by "Id"
Look here Carver. Me, and Mindset got this. You hear?



and thanks for the scan. not sure what 'telepathic ionization' really is, but......

Originally posted by carver9 OMG

im never going to forget about you chickening out on those feats.

Originally posted by "Id"
Look here Carver. Me, and Mindset got this. You hear?


ok

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll qualify my position and say, in general, because it's a vs forum, i'd personally put more stock in the combat feat--especially when you look further into what a gl is capable of. sometimes, a more generalized (though much wider scale) display of power is not the BEST way to judge. inanimate objects don't fight back afterall..... i say i qualified my opinion because it depends of course on the level of the combatants and the relative power of the one who was beaten. a gl is uber. was it a really powerful gl though? as a general rule, i think those types of displays (wide scale, non-battle feats) def have an important place as evidence--but when you are talking about vs matches, combat feats are still the MOST important single piece of evidence imo. i'll finish by saying that, like anything though, it depends on HOW impressive the non-combat feat was.

Spot on.

On the same note I remember arguing for the power level of guys like Highfather who was some planetary level manipulation/creation feats - at least 3 wide scale power display from him and probably the same folks would be unconvinced.

Merging New Genesis and Apokolips, creating the Celestial City, and then the second time providing the power to recreate it. Creating Takion, merging skyfathers Zeus, Jove, Odin, Ares and himself into one being etc

At the end of the day unless these powers were used or shown capable of being used in combat strategy (like merging beings into one in a team) then we go mostly by combat feats.

Every feat Cable did is usable in combat, unless you have a reason it isn't.

Originally posted by Allankles
On the same note I remember arguing for the power level of guys like Highfather who was some planetary level manipulation/creation feats - at least 3 wide scale power display from him and probably the same folks would be unconvinced.

Merging New Genesis and Apokolips, creating the Celestial City, and then the second time providing the power to recreate it. Creating Takion, merging skyfathers Zeus, Jove, Odin, Ares and himself into one being etc

At the end of the day unless these powers were used or shown capable of being used in combat strategy (like merging beings into one in a team) then we go mostly by combat feats. isnt this the same type of absurd logic claiming that superman rebuilfing a city in seconds isnt proof of combat superspeed?