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I know this comes up from time to time, or at the very least I brought it up earlier in my time here. I'm interested to see if people's opinions have changed after some character development.

Luffy and Naruto are current, and to keep things interesting, Ichigo has access to his fullbring and his soul reaper powers, but if he uses Final Getsuga, then he's just stuck with the fullbring.

Fight takes place on a 50x50 mile stretch of land with varying environments, including deserts, oceans, forests, etc.

So who comes out on top between the "shonen trio"?

Still Luffy.

Would you mind explaining why?

Well he's shown to be either considerably faster, or his Haki has advanced to the point that their speed is completely irrelevant.

He is still easily physically stronger than Naruto and Ichigo.

And of course he is in the superior series, so naturally he should win.

Well Naruto dies easily.

Can Luffy take Mugetsu? If he can, he'll win easily. :O

Ichigo's only chance is FGT. Luffy hasn't tanked anything as big as that (though Franky did) so he might not walk out of it in one piece (joke intended).

But iirc FGT takes a long time to set up with the transormation sequence and all. Luffy culd probably punch his head off during that.

Actually Luffy dies first.

Luffy's not surviving a MB form 6 tails and up from Naruto, or Ichigo's FGT.

Luffy would manhandle the Nine Tailed Beast.

FGT is the only thing that, if hit, I have little doubt will kill Luffy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Luffy would manhandle the Nine Tailed Beast.

FGT is the only thing that, if hit, I have little doubt will kill Luffy.

I hope youre joking. Luffy would be hard press to beat 4 tails, anything more is a rape.

Go back and read 6 tails fight with Pain, he made crater that was even bigger than the one Pain used to destroy Konoha.

It wouldn't get a chance to use that attack. Luffy would destroy it fairly fast, pure hand to hand.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It wouldn't get a chance to use that attack. Luffy would destroy it fairly fast, pure hand to hand.

4 tails did this with a swing of his arm.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/3.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/4.html

Kyuubi Naruto is Luffy worse opponent, because Luffy's a close fighter.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/5.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/6.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/9.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/10.html

4 tails survived being push through layers of rocks by Orochimaru's Kusangi with no damage done to him.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c295/12.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=13418028
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c295/14.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c295/15.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c295/16.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c296/3.html

Luffy would barely beat 4 tails, let alone surviving against anything higher.

Originally posted by SquallX
4 tails did this with a swing of his arm.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/3.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c294/4.html

Yes, and I'm sure he did that with pure strength rather than, oh I don't know, maybe a wind technique.

No, that would be ridiculous....



And yet Orochimaru can punch him without any ill effects? Lol, Luffy can take a small burns like that.




Luffy punched through layers of bedrock, with enough force to destroy the surrounding buildings. Like, 3 upgrades ago.

He'll punch the 4-tails to the moon.

Plus its not like Naruto can actually touch him with teh massive speed disparity. Plus Plus, the 4-tails isn't in this thread. Naruto is.

I know very little about Luffy. I was impressed by Ichigo's physical strength when he cut a mountain in half, what are Luffy's top feats?

When did Ichigo cut a mountain in half?

In his fight with Aizen...

That wasn't a mountain. It was a hill, if that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I was impressed by Ichigo's physical strength when he cut a hill in half, what are Luffy's top feats?
Corrected, your highness.

Also worth noting, he didn't cut it in half but rather completely obliterated the top half, with physical strength alone.

Actually, that was Aizens attack. Ichigo just parried it. And I doubt it was a strength feat, more like a suped up version of this : Clicky.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, that was Aizens attack. Ichigo just parried it. And I doubt it was a strength feat, more like a suped up version of this : Clicky.
lol, you literally could not be more wrong.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v47/c418/17.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v47/c418/18.html

Ah, didn't read that part.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, that was Aizens attack. Ichigo just parried it. And I doubt it was a strength feat, more like a suped up version of this : Clicky.

Considering how Ichigo said he's the one who did it, I don't think that it was just Aizen's attack alone.

Ichigo did tank a nukelike attack and apparently had the power to *****-smack black holes.........Yeah FGT Ichigo would probably beat Luffy.

If not that version, then current Luffy would beat them all silly.

God Damn Ichigo vs Aizen was a lameass fvcking fight.

Screw this thread for making me relive it.

I didn't really see any limits to Ichigo's power in that form. I hardly see why he needed mugetsu since he was handily beating Aizen anyway.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, and I'm sure he did that with pure strength rather than, oh I don't know, maybe a wind technique.

No, that would be ridiculous....



And yet Orochimaru can punch him without any ill effects? Lol, Luffy can take a small burns like that.




Luffy punched through layers of bedrock, with enough force to destroy the surrounding buildings. Like, 3 upgrades ago.

He'll punch the 4-tails to the moon.

Plus its not like Naruto can actually touch him with teh massive speed disparity. Plus Plus, the 4-tails isn't in this thread. Naruto is.

Stop bull shitting, 4 tails Naruto and up is a mindless beast that thinks about nothing but killing his opponent.

Naruto didn't know any wind elemental attacks, he learned about his element in the Immortal arc, and that arc happen at least 100 chapter since his fight with Orochimaru.

Also 4 tails one arm swing is far more impressive than Luffy trowing multiple punches to destroy something.

He has enough presence of mind to charge up and fire the Menacing Ball.

Narurto isn't in charge at that point, the Fox is.

No it isn't. Prove its a strength feat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He has enough presence of mind to charge up and fire the Menacing Ball.

Narurto isn't in charge at that point, the Fox is.

No it isn't. Prove its a strength feat.
How would the fox use a wind chakra technique?

naruto stand not a chance against Ichigo. never seen or read One Piece so i dont know about Luffy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How would the fox use a wind chakra technique?

How does he do the menacing ball?

Also, the tailed beasts can use jutsu. Wind jutsu

Originally posted by Nephthys
God Damn Ichigo vs Aizen was a lameass fvcking fight.

Screw this thread for making me relive it.
Nobody wants to experience it again but feats are feats.

It proved that mullets are godly in anime.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I didn't really see any limits to Ichigo's power in that form. I hardly see why he needed mugetsu since he was handily beating Aizen anyway.
Aizen went from not being able to scratch Ichigo to being able to upgrade and damage his body. Had the fight progressed, Aizen would've eventually reached Ichigo's level.

In a sense, he had to use it in order to take out Aizen for good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How does he do the menacing ball?

Also, the tailed beasts can use jutsu. Wind jutsu wasn't that just the wave of his hand?

The idea that it is a wind jutsu is silly. A large strike of chakra akin to what Sakura does is the more likely answer. Ironically, the real Kyuubi has pitiful strength feats in comparison to that one instance.

Luffy will knock his block off before he can do that.

Tailed beats can do wind jutsu. It is so not silly!

Originally posted by marwash22
wasn't that just the wave of his hand?

Thats such a ridunkudunkulous feat that I'm opposing it out of sheer consistency.

Wind jutsu or chakra strike/wave/whatever is much more likely.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Tailed beats can do wind jutsu. It is so not silly!

The one from the land of Wind can!

Which ones that? I'm talking about the above link.

Shikaku. The only one shown using a wind technique is from the Land of Wind. The link you just posted is of him.

Which probably means Kishi changed directions with the beasts for Part 2, unsurprisingly. Kyuubi, big and orange, would probably have been able to use fire techniques, based on the country it is in.

Shukaku's from the Land of Wind?

Isn't he from the land of sand? I must be missing some backstory or piece of lore here.

The 4-tail could have done something similar to this.

5 Great Lands: Fire, Water, Lightning, Ground, Wind.

The Sand Village, which had the Shikaku, was in the Land of Wind. He knew wind techniques.

Actually, going by pure design, the only two that make no sense as far as placement are the Nibi(Two tails of fire) and the Hachibi(Bull+Octopus=Lightning huh?) The rest arguably match their environment.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The 4-tail could have done something similar to this.

That was a chakra roar, nothing more.

Edit: Can anyone help me with a calc. I need to find the reaction of a character, so if anyone can help I'll appreciate it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How does he do the menacing ball?

Also, the tailed beasts can use jutsu. Wind jutsu
Shukaku could do that because he's a wind and sand elemental, just like how the Nibi has fire, etc. The kyuubi is pure chakra (though it is so intense that it "burns" like fire).

Originally posted by SquallX
That was a chakra roar, nothing more.

Edit: Can anyone help me with a calc. I need to find the reaction of a character, so if anyone can help I'll appreciate it.

Well if he can do that to the air by roaring I see no reason he can't do it in other ways.

Also:

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c292/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c292/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c292/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v33/c292/10.html

He can affect the wind, or at the least produce chakra shockwaves.

Pure strength, that was not.



And why can the Nine-Tails not also be a wind elemental? The above scans indicate he has some controll over it.

I mean, he is in the anime.

Those instances aren't examples of controlling elements though. That would be having such an intense chakra that it can affect the environment around you. Even human ninja can do that to a much smaller degree.

And he is? I always figured him a laser elemental from the anime. awesome

Is there some reason for why he couldn't be doing that against the snakes?

According to the wikia page he's performed both fire and wind jutsu in the anime.

Absolutely. I said before that was likely a huge chakra strike that people like Sakura do all the time. Question is, how often can he use it?

Really? Weird.

Ah I see....they sure had fun with the Pain fight. That's where those moves came from.

I've never seen Sakura do that. mmm

I dunno. The whole thing is pretty pointless though, as its Current Naruto in this thread, no the 4-tails.

I need to watch that fight one of these days. Apparently its schizophrenic as ****.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've never seen Sakura do that. mmm

I dunno. The whole thing is pretty pointless though, as its Current Naruto in this thread, no the 4-tails.

I need to watch that fight one of these days. Apparently its schizophrenic as ****.

Yeah you have.

I know right? Luffy will win if Ichigo doesn't use FGT.

It is. Like, Sasuke vs Naruto was pretty ridiculous but it has nothing on the fight between Naruto and Pain when the Kyuubi takes over. 6-Tails at one point is shooting lasers like Buzz Lightyear. Insane.

Thats Chakra Enhanced Strength rather than actual chakra enhanced shockwaves or anything.

Well Ichigo in his fight with Aizen was pretty ****ing powerful. He's at least a match for him, if not his superior.

mmm Laem.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats Chakra Enhanced Strength rather than actual chakra enhanced shockwaves or anything.

Well Ichigo in his fight with Aizen was pretty ****ing powerful. He's at least a match for him, if not his superior.

mmm Laem.

Well whatever you want to call it, that is what 4-tails Naruto likely did. More chakra=Bigger boom!

And yeah, it was laem. But some liked it I guessed. I just couldn't get over the animation.

Nah.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yeah you have.

I know right? Luffy will win if Ichigo doesn't use FGT.

It is. Like, Sasuke vs Naruto was pretty ridiculous but it has nothing on the fight between Naruto and Pain when the Kyuubi takes over. 6-Tails at one point is shooting lasers like Buzz Lightyear. Insane.

So even the Ichigo who pwned Aizen and casually backhanded Black Coffin, won't be able to beat Luffy? mmm
damn.

Sasuke vs. Naruto was actualy good though, unlike Naruto vs. Pain.

Yeah, Ichigo treating an attack that made space time its b*tch like a fluffy pillow makes me think Luffy will have a tough time hurting him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So even the Ichigo who pwned Aizen and casually backhanded Black Coffin, won't be able to beat Luffy? mmm
damn.

Sasuke vs. Naruto was actualy good though, unlike Naruto vs. Pain.

Well, that is FGT Ichigo. His ultimate attack is Mugetsu. :O

I think it's cause in that fight, they respected the limits of the characters. Sasuke wasn't using a Chidori every second and Naruto wasn't throwing rasengans. It was mostly taijutsu with a lot of cool water sliding. Was fun. Naruto vs Pain though...shit was just too crazy. And ugly.

I liked the bit where Naruto clones formed a giant ladder and started smacking Sasuke into walls and stuff.

Y'know, actual battle creativity.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, Ichigo treating an attack that made space time its b*tch like a fluffy pillow makes me think Luffy will have a tough time hurting him.

Indeed. I always knew that Luffy was powerful. Never knew that he was supposedly powerful enough to beat that version of Ichigo.

EDIT:
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well, that is FGT Ichigo. His ultimate attack is Mugetsu. :O

I think it's cause in that fight, they respected the limits of the characters. Sasuke wasn't using a Chidori every second and Naruto wasn't throwing rasengans. It was mostly taijutsu with a lot of cool water sliding. Was fun. Naruto vs Pain though...shit was just too crazy. And ugly.

Ah, okay, I understand what you were saying.
Though, technically, that isn't FGT Ichigo, just Ichigo that has mastered FGT.
FGT Ichigo makes his appearance only after he transforms into Getsuga and then uses Mugetsu.

Agreed. Plus that air piledriver that Sasuke used was the shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I liked the bit where Naruto clones formed a giant ladder and started smacking Sasuke into walls and stuff.

Y'know, actual battle creativity.

Indeed. Probably another reason the Pain fight failed. It wasn't really a fight of creativity but just sheer trying to over power the other guy.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ah, okay, I understand what you were saying.
Though, technically, that isn't FGT Ichigo, just Ichigo that has mastered FGT.
FGT Ichigo makes his appearance only after he transforms into Getsuga and then uses Mugetsu.

Agreed. Plus that air piledriver that Sasuke used was the shit.

I don't know what else to call that state so I just call it FGT Ichigo, who is then able to use the move FGT, which transforms him to the point where he can use Mugetsu.

Indeed, was awesome. Especially when you realize he did it while jumping off a cliff! How did Naruto's head not split open!? :O

So I'm watching the 6-tails vs Pain fight.

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This is the worst fight I've ever seen.

Really? :O

Where the **** did the water come from? He punches the ground and suddeny they're in the middle of an ocean. WTF!? And what the hell were those pipe-things and why were they moving around? And how the **** was Pain ice-skating across the floor and leaping through the water like a dolphin? And what was up with the lasers?

Also it was some of the worst drawn and animated shit I've ever seen. And I'm currently watching Trigun. On top of everything it had incredibly bad fight choreography. And it was soooo effing goofy. Thsis is supposed to be one of teh most traumatic moments of Naruto's entire life. He's supposed to be literally insane at this point. It should be one of the most dramatic things in the entire anime. And Pains getting hammered into the ground, wedged into cliffs and flying around like superman.

Coming off Hinata's sacrifice, which actually made me cry it was so damn good and was gorgeous, it was like a cockslap to the face.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o408/Beta_Ray_Banhammer/pein_gif_1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Zetamancer/greatpaindemotivational.jpg

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God I need to watch these episodes.

And yeah, I heard Hinata's little "sacrifice" was really well animated.

As for the fight, Naruto is a nonfactor. Luffy would pummel Naruto in any form to dust. Luffy even before the timeskip was in the double machs at base in terms of speed, and was physically stronger than Naruto has ever shown to be. Zoro in the Skypiea arc performed a feat roughly equivelant to Ichigo cutting that hill in half, when he cut through the massive beanstalk effortlessly. Yet despite Zoro doing that much earler, Zoro was barely able to harm a Pacifista. Who Luffy can now effortlessly one-shot. Luffy's demonstration of absolutely making the Kraken a joke with a single attack means he could also pretty easily crush the Nine Tails, being both signifigantly smaller and demonstratably weaker.

XD

Oh the echos of complaints from days of old. To be fair, at the end with Chibaku Tensei, it looked really nice. Kyuubi breathing fire might be a bit silly to some but I didn't mind it.

But yeah, the majority of the fight was garbage. A lot of random stuff where Naruto is picking up stuff and throwing it. Pain looks like a bender from avatar and takes far more abuse than he possibly could. And then some half ass excuse to get water in there so they can imitate the success of the Naruto vs Sasuke fight.

Only part I disagree with is the Hinata thing. I preferred it in the manga, likely because of how quick and sudden it was. The shock of her death was much more sudden and intense in it's quickness. In the anime...it went on...and on...and on. Which, I can see why seeing Hinata being brutally beaten like that would be heart wrenching for a lot...but I didn't care for it myself. Pain never struck me as the type to torture an enemy before killing them so it seemed out of character to me.

One thing, don't use you the anime as reference, since it's secondary canon. Not primary canon like the manga.

Luffy's not winning this fight, no matter how you cut it. Either Naruto in 6 tails, or FGT Ichigo would kill him.

This fight comes down between Naruto, and Ichigo's most powerful attack.

Naruto cannot currently use 6 tails. Naruto dies because he is a non-factor. Ichigo has chopped hills in half and Luffy has thrown things much larger than the Kyuubi like they were rag dolls.

Naruto dies. Luffy will likely kill Ichigo unless FGT is used. I know very little One Piece and I know that.

Originally posted by SquallX
One thing, don't use you the anime as reference, since it's secondary canon. Not primary canon like the manga.

Luffy's not winning this fight, no matter how you cut it. Either Naruto in 6 tails, or FGT Ichigo would kill him.

This fight comes down between Naruto, and Ichigo's most powerful attack. I never used the anime as a relevance little guy.

Luffy would tear the Nine Tailed Fox in half. He is demonstratably mach 20+ in speed BEFORE the timeskip, and at base. That is much faster than any Naruto character.

Haha what? Ichigo's strongest attack would kill the full Kyuubi.

This fight is between Ichigo and Luffy. Either one easily kills Naruto.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So I'm watching the 6-tails vs Pain fight.

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This is the worst fight I've ever seen.
When Pain punched the ground, I couldn't even believe it. The art in that fight was a joke. It was supposed to be a serious fight but it seemed like the studio was going for comic relief, I don't get it.

Also props for giving Pain the best "constipated face" i've ever seen when using Chibaku tensei... Way to ruin the moment.


If Kyuubi can really level a mountain just by flicking its tail, then it has feats better than Ichigo's... but given all the showings we've seen, i'm now inclined to call that hyperbole.

Naruto is of no consequence here, Luffy outclasses him in every way that matters.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If Kyuubi can really level a mountain just by flicking its tail, then it has feats better than Ichigo's... but given all the showings we've seen, i'm now inclined to call that hyperbole.

It can destroy small mountains easily, considering the Hachibi has done that, but just not with one tail. It is hyperbole, and it was stated at the very beginning of the manga.

Do any of you ****ing reads Naruto.

In the Pain Arc, 6 tails Naruto made a ****ing crater that was even bigger than the one Pain made when he destroyed Konoha, and the 6 tails MB was ****ing incomplete.

Then 6 tails when on to survived Pain's mini moon, and said mini moon was even bigger than 6 tails incomplete MB. Then with just pure strength, 8 tails busted out of it with no ****ing problem.

And no, Luffy's not mach 20, i hope you're not using the OBD's so called calc, those mofo's are biased as hell when it comes to One Piece.

Those moron put Gai at mach 7, when Gai was in the six gate. How the **** is someone only mach 7 when with just pure friction alone they can create a tsunami of flames, and evaporate a lake full of water by just power up.

To show there idiocy and lack of common sense, Raikage claimed he was the fastest Ninja right now, yet they say no because its a characters statement, yet when kikazu from One Piece claims he moves at light speed, they take his statement as truth.

You mean this?





8 tails isn't in the thread. Neither is 6 tails. Oh, and breaking out of rock, I'm sure as shit neither Ichigo or Luffy's ever done that before.



Biased does not automatically equal wrong.


Also, lol @ butthurt.

Current Naruto cannot go into 6 tails. And he has not shown any of those feats. Kindly argue for current Naruto. Oh wait, you can't. Because Luffy from the early parts of the manga would kill the current Naruto with ease. Now he is hella more powerful.

And no, they don't take his claim at face value. Among other claims that they don't take at face value. Like Whitebeard being able to destroy the world(lol how do you know if you can do that or not?)

Exactly. Current Luffy would break Naruto's neck in a single punch before he could react. Pre-Skip Luffy could do that too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Biased does not automatically equal wrong.

LLLC? awesome

crackers

They just suck. 12 tons of lightning can kiss my ass.

They're pretty cool when not arguing over lightning.

....Naruto is a lightning timer. I mean, what does Chidori look like?

Shut up! Shut up! Stop bring it up I hate you!

Screampaste and Quan are made for each other. hoss

*Is bitter*

gay_rage
Because it now seems appropriate. Should I have instead put in each character at Peak instead of current? I was under the assumption that the two were rather synonymous when it came to Luffy and Naruto, though I knew current Ichigo was shit.

Originally posted by SquallX
Do any of you ****ing reads Naruto.

In the Pain Arc, 6 tails Naruto made a ****ing crater that was even bigger than the one Pain made when he destroyed Konoha, and the 6 tails MB was ****ing incomplete.

Then 6 tails when on to survived Pain's mini moon, and said mini moon was even bigger than 6 tails incomplete MB. Then with just pure strength, 8 tails busted out of it with no ****ing problem.

And no, Luffy's not mach 20, i hope you're not using the OBD's so called calc, those mofo's are biased as hell when it comes to One Piece.

Those moron put Gai at mach 7, when Gai was in the six gate. How the **** is someone only mach 7 when with just pure friction alone they can create a tsunami of flames, and evaporate a lake full of water by just power up.

To show there idiocy and lack of common sense, Raikage claimed he was the fastest Ninja right now, yet they say no because its a characters statement, yet when kikazu from One Piece claims he moves at light speed, they take his statement as truth. Every week.

Show me it was bigger than Pain's crater please? Can anyone do this? I do not recall it being that large. Not that it really matters. Luffy surviving the Ursa Shock is a MUCH better durability feat than what is required to prove he can survive what Naruto has to bring him. Oh wait, it was posted. Yeah that is pathetic. Even Pain's largest Shinra Tensei pales before the Ursa Shock, which destroyed much of the island and even went beyond it.

... You mean he busted out of his small portion, right? And it's not like Luffy has never done shit like punch through bedrock, or anything, right?

You had better have a better argument other than "They're biased." Even if they are, you had better disprove their calcs rather than dismissing them.

7th Gate actually. And that feat has no real-world basis for a reference, since it cannot actually be done, I am surprised they bothered calculating it at all.

Kizaru? Well you see, Kizaru has one thing supporting that claim... HE TURNS INTO AND FIRES LIGHT. HE WIELDS LIGHT.

Oh, and as for speed, Zoro was shown reacting to and dodging Kuma's attacks. While I doubt they are the speed of light as he says, they ARE demonstratably able to send someone across the planet in a few seconds.