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Creed after absorbing a shard of a cube, vs current MM.

Who wins?

MM lost to Sentry, while Creed owned Sentry.

MM was impressive in terms of manipulating molecules, but in his last appearance he had none of the general reality altering feats Creed had. And Creed had full control over his own molecules, as evidenced by Sentry trying and failing to tear him apart.

using their careers as a whole instead of just creel's best vs one of mm's worst, owen would destroy him with a thought. besides, void operated at a unique level during siege

Originally posted by 753
using their careers as a whole instead of just creel's best vs one of mm's worst, owen would destroy him with a thought. besides, void operated at a unique level during siege

MM lost his Cosmic Cube status, didn't he?

What are his best feats as a non cube?

If MM's that powerful, I'd be more inclined to believe he jobbed to Void, then to believe Void is just that powerful (At the least, the Creel showing and the MM showing balance each other out.)

what? when did he lose it?

owen was only put in that story to make the void seem powerfull and he only used a tiny aspect of his power (matter manipulation), so yes, you could say they jobbed him to void

MM has good and bad showings, he has no cube power now but has his own inherent power. His mental state alters his powers.

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM has good and bad showings, he has no cube power now but has his own inherent power. His mental state alters his powers. what do you mean? his inherent power is the energy from the beyond realm that he absorbed, the same energy that makes the cosmic cubes. he is a cube being

AM retcon punch fwt 131

Originally posted by Bentley
AM retcon punch fwt 131

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Where were Sentry's amazing matter manipulation abilities when Creel retcon-punched him?

Originally posted by Bentley
Where were Sentry's amazing matter manipulation abilities when Creel retcon-punched him? he didnt void out did he?

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM has good and bad showings, he has no cube power now but has his own inherent power. His mental state alters his powers.

His own power is the cube power.

His body acted as a partial cosmic cube during his accident, giving him his own powers, and then eventually, he joined himself and the Beyonder together in a complete cube to gestate and eventually create Kosmos.

Except right whilst he was fusing himself and the Beyonder into a CC, he transfered a fraction of his power into Volcana without her knowing. So once he got ejected from the gestated Cosmic Cube, and was powerless, he was able to use the fraction of the power in Volcana (which alone had allowed her to subconciously perform feats beyond his initial organic matter limits) to fully restore himself with cosmic cube level powers, although he didn't know this at the time, and thought he was restricted to merely inorganic matter again. But then after practising for months he was back to his cube levels (him/Beyonder warping the multiverse, and statements from Kubik saying as much).

So yeah, his inherant power is cube power, there's no distinction between the two.

Anyway, in terms of this fight, the fact that Owen has on two occasions been able to take direct control of cosmic cube energy means he could very easily just drain Absorbing Man