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Odin VS Thanos & The Void

fight is in the negative zone. team thanos gets 24 hours prep.











how does it go?

The Void has no business being here. Odin ftw.

Unfortunately, Odin isn't as nice of a guy as Thor. He'll kill the Void from the get go.

With prep, Thanos can get them the win. I'm sure he can get his hands on some Infinity Gems or a Cube or two.

Ah, didn't see the prep stip. Thanos solos.

Void is still of no consequence.

Didn't the Void claim to be Galactus and didn't the Void defeat Molecule man?

Originally posted by Astner
Didn't the Void claim to be Galactus and didn't the Void defeat Molecule man?


Yep, and I find funny that you mention the Galactus part

Originally posted by Astner
Didn't the Void claim to be Galactus and didn't the Void defeat Molecule man? Yes, but a few on here don't want to give the Void any credit. Thanos or Void solo.

If the Sentry persona wants to kill Odin as much as the Void persona does. He can give Odin the fight of his life. Sentry won't die and he'll just keep letting the Void out. Rinse and repeat.

Do you guys really believe that Sentry just couldn't return to life after Thor's strike?

He wanted to die, to stay dead. In this forum fight, Both personas are focused on winning this fight.

I think its funny that Quan thinks Thanos can beat Void via Mind Rape, but Odin cant...

Lol!

Originally posted by Bentley
The Void has no business being here.

Originally posted by Bentley
The Void has no business being here. Odin ftw.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I think its funny that Quan thinks Thanos can beat Void via Mind Rape, but Odin cant...

Lol! Thanos can beat the Void due to being death's avatar and being able to kill unkillables.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but a few on here don't want to give the Void any credit. Thanos or Void solo.

ninjak has a good post there too

all i see in some of the post here are..."errrr i hate the sentry he is lame. so he automatically loses every fight."

greatttt way to determine forum battles!

Again, Odin can always beat Void pretty easily by bfr. He used it on Magog and it's in character.

'nuff said.

Originally posted by Bentley
The Void has no business being here.

Originally posted by bbrem123
i hate the sentry he is lame

Originally posted by Bentley
'nuff said.

Void is of no consequence here what-so-ever.

That being said team 2 takes it pretty easy. Thanos with prep solos.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, Odin can always beat Void pretty easily by bfr. He used it on Magog and it's in character.

'nuff said. When has the Void been bfr'd ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has the Void been bfr'd ?


Doctor Doom sent him to the past and he couldn't get back to the present under his own power.

Originally posted by Bentley
Doctor Doom sent him to the past and he couldn't get back to the present under his own power. That's before he learned his newer powers.

Genis bfr'd Sentry who is the Void and Thor removed him from one battlefield

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's before he learned his newer powers.


Yet, he has never resisted bfr. You know, it's not up to me to prove he can be bfrd, you need to prove the opposite.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Genis bfr'd Sentry who is the Void and Thor removed him from one battlefield

1. No
2. Bob let it happen

Originally posted by Bentley
Yet, he has never resisted bfr. You know, it's not up to me to prove he can be bfrd, you need to prove the opposite. Since when has Odin ever bfr'd someone in time anyways. Bob returned of his own power to the present after morgana mucked around.

Originally posted by rotiart
1. No
2. Bob let it happen
1.Yes
2.No he never

Odin wins

Originally posted by quanchi112
Since when has Odin ever bfr'd someone in time anyways. Bob returned of his own power to the present after morgana mucked around.


He has bfrd people to other dimensions which amounts to the very same.

Prove Morgana tried to send Void to another dimension.

Originally posted by Nihilist
1.Yes
2.No he never
1. You are wrong. They are different personas. Sentry was using different powers then sentry he couldn't access as the void being that they are different personas.
2. You are wrong again. He has brought himself back several times... Even when mm scattered his molecules...

Originally posted by Bentley
He has bfrd people to other dimensions which amounts to the very same.

Prove Morgana tried to send Void to another dimension. She used the timeline thing iirc to kill/defeat him. Sending someone to asgard isn't sending them back in time. LOL.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odin wins How does odin win a battle against a prepped thanos again? Or did you forget that an inferior Thanos clone with prep already made Odin his b1tch with ease?

Originally posted by rotiart
1. You are wrong. They are different personas. Sentry was using different powers then sentry he couldn't access as the void being that they are different personas.Nah youre wrong, they are the same person, and dont give that shit about accessing Void powers as the Void never showed he had any power that couldnt stop him from being bfr'd just like Sentry didnt.
Sorry chump but it seems youre wrong again here, Thor moved him against his will from one place to another so Tony could wreck him with the hellicarrier. Coming back/regenerating from being dead isnt the same as coming back from teleportation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She used the timeline thing iirc to kill/defeat him. Sending someone to asgard isn't sending them back in time. LOL.


Sentry cannot get back from Asgard so as far as we care, it's the same. Feel free to bring actual feats of moving through dimensions and actual feats of dealing with bfr the next time you post. We've hit this impasse several times already with you bringing nothing so maybe this time you'll change

Originally posted by Bentley
Sentry cannot get back from Asgard so as far as we care, it's the same. Feel free to bring actual feats of moving through dimensions and actual feats of dealing with bfr the next time you post. We've hit this impasse several times already with you bringing nothing so maybe this time you'll change Being completely annihilated and coming back shows you can form molecules at any location. The Void's also never been bfr'd and is a lot different than a standard Sentry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being completely annihilated and coming back shows you can form molecules at any location. The Void's also never been bfr'd and is a lot different than a standard Sentry. He didnt show he can reform at ANY loctaion it was the same location, and regerating your molecules from death isnt the same as coming back from bfr as his molecules arent being destroyed.

Odin still kills Void dead. Then he beats up Thanos some more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being completely annihilated and coming back shows you can form molecules at any location. The Void's also never been bfr'd and is a lot different than a standard Sentry.


Prove he can regenerate in any location, for all we know he gets anchored to the place/time in which the molecules were scattered. We're not just going to assume Void teleports without him ever doing it.

Me thinks Odin wins, though not that easy, especially when Thanos gets prep.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Nah youre wrong, they are the same person, and dont give that shit about accessing Void powers as the Void never showed he had any power that couldnt stop him from being bfr'd just like Sentry didnt.
Sorry chump but it seems youre wrong again here, Thor moved him against his will from one place to another so Tony could wreck him with the hellicarrier. Coming back/regenerating from being dead isnt the same as coming back from teleportation.

chump? Seriously? You can always spot the person with the dumb argument when they resort to name calling.

Even that one robot stated that sentry couldnt be killed and it was only a matter of time until he returned after the events with Thor....

The fact that you think being hit with a helicarrier is more damaging that complete molecular destruction shows the stupidity of your argument.

Originally posted by Nihilist
He didnt show he can reform at ANY loctaion it was the same location, and regerating your molecules from death isnt the same as coming back from bfr as his molecules arent being destroyed. Sentry reappeared after dying later in the story before he understood his powers and was able to control them. Originally posted by Bentley
Prove he can regenerate in any location, for all we know he gets anchored to the place/time in which the molecules were scattered. We're not just going to assume Void teleports without him ever doing it. He's already done so after he was killed by Morgana before he fully understood his molecular powers.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin still kills Void dead. Then he beats up Thanos some more. Like you even really believe this ?

Mr. Odin.

odin kills void. then thanos and odin fight to a standstill. You cant kill thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry reappeared after dying later in the story before he understood his powers and was able to control them. He's already done so after he was killed by Morgana before he fully understood his molecular powers. Like you even really believe this ?


Bring the scans, let's see the distance that the Void crossed, was it a continent? Several dimensions? Was there ever a statement saying that he could teleport? We aren't inventing feats that have never happen, because you might as well think Wolverine and Deadpool can clone themselves using their healing factor because Lobo can. His powers never implied teleporting and unless you actually bring proof, you may as well sit this one out.

Originally posted by Bentley
Bring the scans, let's see the distance that the Void crossed, was it a continent? Several dimensions? Was there ever a statement saying that he could teleport? We aren't inventing feats that have never happen, because you might as well think Wolverine and Deadpool can clone themselves using their healing factor because Lobo can. His powers never implied teleporting and unless you actually bring proof, you may as well sit this one out. He has reality matter control which means his molecules can come back from non existence. Sentry was defeated by timeline manipulation but later reappeared on his own.

Originally posted by rotiart
chump? Seriously? You can always spot the person with the dumb argument when they resort to name calling.Nah its just that i dont like you.

And? learn to know the difference between returning from the dead and returning for teleportation.

I dont, it just show Void was easily moved from the battlefield by Thor and he couldnt do a thing to stop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry reappeared after dying later in the story before he understood his powers and was able to control them. But in the same place he died in the first place, i want you to show any scan of Sentry/Void reappearing in a different location after being bfr'd to prove he can come back from it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
But in the same place he died in the first place, i want you to show any scan of Sentry/Void reappearing in a different location after being bfr'd to prove he can come back from it. When the Sentry came back under his own power he was in a different location. I also think it works both ways we need to see someone bfr the Void to show you can defeat the Void in this manner.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When the Sentry came back under his own power he was in a different location. I also think it works both ways we need to see someone bfr the Void to show you can defeat the Void in this manner. So you cant show Void/Sentry coming back from BFR, consession accepted.

Thor easily moved from the battlefield to another location, the was powerless to stop it..meaning if Thor wanted to he could have put Void anywhere he wanted.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Genis bfr'd Sentry who is the Void and Thor removed him from one battlefield

Scans to prove your point that genus bfred void? You can't.
Cause in the comics "void" displayed powers sentry didn't.

And sentry can be bfred by Morgan and return but not Thor?

It's okay that you don't like me... Considering how much your posts usually stink I prefer to stay away from them most days.

Originally posted by rotiart
Scans to prove your point that genus bfred void? You can't.
Cause in the comics "void" displayed powers sentry didn't.

And sentry can be bfred by Morgan and return but not Thor?

It's okay that you don't like me... Considering how much your posts usually stink I prefer to stay away from them most days.


When did Morgan bfrd Void? You can feel free to bring all those assumed feats because I haven't seen posts which actually address my point of Void never teleporting nor bending space in anyways that permits interdimensional travel.

IIRC, both Genis-Vell and the young Enchantress used battle field removal successfully against the Sentry. It's not as concrete, but during the final battle of Siege when Thor was holding the Void at bay, under Iron Man's advise, he blasted/teleported the Void away from Asgard.

The Sentry can teleport but either this power is erratic, or it's not powerful enough to traverse large distances/dimensional barriers in a reasonable amount of time. As it stands, battle field removal is a solid path to take. At least on a forum. If someone with Thor's or Strange's teleportation capabilities used battle field removal, Reynolds should be gone long enough for it count as a win.

Didn't Morgan Le Fay destroy the Sentry only to have him resurrect at the end of the story?

Originally posted by rotiart
Scans to prove your point that genus bfred void? You can't.
Cause in the comics "void" displayed powers sentry didn't.Void or Sentry never showed they can come back from teleportation as they are the same person, as the Sentry showed he has the same powers as Void when he regenerated his molecules/come back from the dead when Lindy blew he head off with Norr Vahs gun.

He was killed by Morgan not bfr'd. Its clear you dont understand Void/Sentry returned after he had been killed, you do understand Thor doesnt have to kill him to bfr him.

Stop complaining then and dont quote me, just because you cant back up what you say.

Originally posted by Bentley
When did Morgan bfrd Void? You can feel free to bring all those assumed feats because I haven't seen posts which actually address my point of Void never teleporting nor bending space in anyways that permits interdimensional travel.



void doesnt need to bend space to travel interdimensionally. as a death god or angel, he continually has one foot in the dimension of death; he routinely fully hops back and forth from that dimension when he is killed & regenerates.

Where on earth do you get "Death God or Angel" from please dont say because Osbourne said it.

it is heavily implied in the 3rd dark avengers arc. uatu may have confirmed it as well.

Originally posted by wildernesss
it is heavily implied in the 3rd dark avengers arc. When did Uatu "confirm" this. And it was only implied during Drak Avengers and said by Norman, plus the way he said it implied Void was acting like a angel of death not was a angel of death.

I somehow dont think a "Death god or Angel" would be powered by a serum created by a human scientist, and need to keep drinking more serum for power.

i see you edited

Originally posted by Nihilist
When did Uatu "confirm" this. And it was only implied during Drak Avengers and said by Norman, plus the way he said it implied Void was acting like a angel of death not was a angel of death.

I somehow dont think a "Death god or Angel" would be powered by a serum created by a human scientist, and need to keep drinking more serum for power.

i see you edited



uatu may have confirmed it; it was a rumor. nothing more. the third arc of DA strongly suggests it to be the case. even his wife thought it was the case. she would know him better than most would. osborn may have known more about void than was revealed. so it is still a possibility.

Originally posted by wildernesss
uatu may have confirmed it; it was a rumor. nothing more. the third arc of DA strongly suggests it to be the case. even his wife thought it was the case. she would know him better than most would. osborn may have known more about void than was revealed. so it is still a possibility.

May isnt good enough and the only time he said anything of the sort iirc was in a What If which is non cannon.

The only time it is really suggested in DA is by Norman, and his wife Lindy never said anything of the sort iirc, she just thought he was a killer/lunatic.

The only thing Osbourne knew was that he needed a serum and would kill people for him acting as him own personal angel of death.

Geuss work inst good enough proof im afraid.

Originally posted by wildernesss
void doesnt need to bend space to travel interdimensionally. as a death god or angel, he continually has one foot in the dimension of death; he routinely fully hops back and forth from that dimension when he is killed & regenerates.


Nah, that's no proof, I don't think that Angel of Death status makes you by default a teleporter, Herc is a freaking god and does no fancy stuff for this forum proposes. As far as I know, Void has never displayed teleporting powers on the level of those of Odin.

Still waiting on Silent Master

Originally posted by Nihilist
So you cant show Void/Sentry coming back from BFR, consession accepted.

Thor easily moved from the battlefield to another location, the was powerless to stop it..meaning if Thor wanted to he could have put Void anywhere he wanted. He's come back to another location just like I said. The Void also destroyed asgard while Thor was powerless to stop it. The writer confirmed he doesn't go away unless he cooperates. Key words being go away.

Thor can teleport him to another location but acting as if he can't come back is erroneous since if it were that easy he'd have done so before he destroyed asgard. The Void can be attacked or teleported but he can get back under his own power. Now had Thor teleported the Void to a location to which he was stuck you'd have a point but since he didn't you have nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's come back to another location just like I said. The Void also destroyed asgard while Thor was powerless to stop it. The writer confirmed he doesn't go away unless he cooperates. Key words being go away.

Thor can teleport him to another location but acting as if he can't come back is erroneous since if it were that easy he'd have done so before he destroyed asgard. The Void can be attacked or teleported but he can get back under his own power. Now had Thor teleported the Void to a location to which he was stuck you'd have a point but since he didn't you have nothing.


So just opinion right? Good, I wanted to see if you had proof 131

Originally posted by Bentley
So just opinion right? Good, I wanted to see if you had proof 131 Him coming back under his own power after Morgana to a different location is proof enough. Trying to use the Sentry pre new cool powers as a reasoning in the Void being bfr'd is silly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Him coming back under his own power after Morgana to a different location is proof enough. Trying to use the Sentry pre new cool powers as a reasoning in the Void being bfr'd is silly.


So a lame distance through regeneration -which happened off panel and may have happened in the same place- is all you've got, and according to you that should make Void travel through dimensions and space. Crap logic if you ask me.

Originally posted by Bentley
So a lame distance through regeneration -which happened off panel and may have happened in the same place- is all you've got, and according to you that should make Void travel through dimensions and space. Crap logic if you ask me. Not crap logic when we've seen Void resurrect his wife and be unable to be killed through timeline manipulation or complete and utter molceular annihilation via MM. The guy's a beast and was always meant that way from his first appearance in Sentry's series. The guy was only defeated when he voluntarily went away or cooperated unlike the Sentry who is often riddled with guilt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not crap logic when we've seen Void resurrect his wife and be unable to be killed through timeline manipulation or complete and utter molceular annihilation via MM. The guy's a beast and was always meant that way from his first appearance in Sentry's series. The guy was only defeated when he voluntarily went away or cooperated unlike the Sentry who is often riddled with guilt.

Nothing which has anything to do with bfr-ing. You're basically like saying Flash has superspeed, travels through time and dimensions so he must be able to read minds.

Originally posted by Bentley
Nothing which has anything to do with bfr-ing. You're basically like saying Flash has superspeed, travels through time and dimensions so he must be able to read minds. No, I am saying he's come back before to other locations under his own power before. To say he can't without proof is speculation since he'c come back under his own power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying he's come back before to other locations under his own power before. To say he can't without proof is speculation since he'c come back under his own power.


So because he came from somewhere he can comeback from anywhere? I'm not falling for an infinity fallacy.

Also, give me at least the issue number of your feat so I can go and check it, so the debunking is faster.

Originally posted by Bentley
So because he came from somewhere he can comeback from anywhere? I'm not falling for an infinity fallacy.

Also, give me at least the issue number of your feat so I can go and check it, so the debunking is faster. I don't have the issue on hand. It's somewhere on my pc or hard drive but I can't remember where. Just find the Morgana arc where she beats the Sentry temporarily. They assume he's dead only to find him alive and without a scratch irrc.

Originally posted by Bentley
So because he came from somewhere he can comeback from anywhere? I'm not falling for an infinity fallacy.

Also, give me at least the issue number of your feat so I can go and check it, so the debunking is faster.

Not sure if his logic is that bad actually think its Dark Avengers 4 or 5. It's like quanchi is arguing that a character has shown resistance to heat then your bitching that its illogical for him to be resistant to Superman's HV.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure if his logic is that bad actually think its Dark Avengers 4 or 5. It's like quanchi is arguing that a character has shown resistance to heat then your bitching that its illogical for him to be resistant to Superman's HV.


Yeah, but there is nothing logical in assuming the character tanks heat vision because he once, was said to vaguely posess resistance against some form of heat. There is a huge gap of logic right there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's come back to another location just like I said.when, because i know youre lying..post the scans the of him returning to a different location.. And? that has nothing to do with this thread. Go away as in DIE, like when he wanted to DIE.

Thor didnt teleport him away then he just hit him away with his hammer. Proof of when he did this, because the only time he came back from anything was a the exact same location through regerating, its not hard to undersatand teleporting him wont harm/kill him so he wont be regenerating. At that time he didnt need to, and are you gonna say Thor cant teleport that far .

Seeing as all youve done is skirt around the issue with no proof, why dont we have a battlezone over this bfr issue and the loser leaves KMC?

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but there is nothing logical in assuming the character tanks heat vision because he once, was said to vaguely posess resistance against some form of heat. There is a huge gap of logic right there.

Yea I guess if you're assuming its a foregone conclusion but it's not like you dont have any basis to form an argument.

I don't know really, apart from Morgan didn't he have his molecules dispersed by MM?

Originally posted by Nihilist
when, because i know youre lying..post the scans the of him returning to a different location.. And? that has nothing to do with this thread. Go away as in DIE, like when he wanted to DIE.

Thor didnt teleport him away then he just hit him away with his hammer. Proof of when he did this, because the only time he came back from anything was a the exact same location through regerating, its not hard to undersatand teleporting him wont harm/kill him so he wont be regenerating. At that time he didnt need to, and are you gonna say Thor cant teleport that far .

Seeing as all youve done is skirt around the issue with no proof, why dont we have a battlezone over this bfr issue and the loser leaves KMC? I just stated I don't know where the issue is at on my pc or hard drive in another post to someone else.

Yes, it does. Thor never bfr'd the Void to where he wouldn't be a threat he can however teleport Void to a location just like Thor could teleport practically anyone it has to do with whether or not they can return in a reasonable amount of time.

Go away as in die or go away like he did in the first sentry series. he wasn't killed there and simply chooses when to resurface.

My point is Thor can teleport him away but he can return under his own power.

I wouldn't even say that was the same location but the time of morgana was the example outside the immediate location.


So you claim Thor can easily do so but wouldn't resort to this tactic when asgard is about to be destroyed ? So despite reed and strange putting their thinking caps on they just didn't think of bfring the Void ?

Why do a battlezone over such a small detail. The Void seems a lot more powerful/formidable than the Sentry so using genis bfring him as proof it works against the Void fails since the Sentry has never used the powers the Void has at his disposal and the fact he learned newer powers since then.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but there is nothing logical in assuming the character tanks heat vision because he once, was said to vaguely posess resistance against some form of heat. There is a huge gap of logic right there.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but there is nothing logical in assuming the character tanks heat vision because he once, was said to vaguely posess resistance against some form of heat. There is a huge gap of logic right there. There isn't any proof the hv would kill or seriously injure him by the same logic either.

Unless a character has proven to be capable of something, I'd assume they are incapable of it until shown otherwise. There are some times where common sense suggests they would be, for example, I'd assume Eternity could create a planet or warp space/time despite me never seeing him actually doing it on panel. Unfortunately the Void is not quite at a point in power where I can make that type of exception. If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt, he's facing Odin here. Arguing that a character like that cannot battle field remove him based on nothing other than speculation is to far.

It also doesn't help that Thor was able to move him to a battlefield of liking -still not sure if it was raw power or teleportation- and I know the Sentry has been battle field removed on two different occasions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just stated I don't know where the issue is at on my pc or hard drive in another post to someone else.

Yes, it does. Thor never bfr'd the Void to where he wouldn't be a threat he can however teleport Void to a location just like Thor could teleport practically anyone it has to do with whether or not they can return in a reasonable amount of time.

Go away as in die or go away like he did in the first sentry series. he wasn't killed there and simply chooses when to resurface.

My point is Thor can teleport him away but he can return under his own power.

I wouldn't even say that was the same location but the time of morgana was the example outside the immediate location.


So you claim Thor can easily do so but wouldn't resort to this tactic when asgard is about to be destroyed ? So despite reed and strange putting their thinking caps on they just didn't think of bfring the Void ?

Why do a battlezone over such a small detail. The Void seems a lot more powerful/formidable than the Sentry so using genis bfring him as proof it works against the Void fails since the Sentry has never used the powers the Void has at his disposal and the fact he learned newer powers since then. I can't be bothered wasting my time with you anymore as you continue to go in circles lying, repeating yoursef and making excuses. I will say though you clearly have no confidence in your "argument" otherwise you wouldn't of backed out of my proposed battlezone

Originally posted by Nihilist
I can't be bothered wasting my time with you anymore as you continue to go in circles lying, repeating yoursef and making excuses. I will say though you clearly have no confidence in your "argument" otherwise you wouldn't of backed out of my proposed battlezone I have no real interest in doing battlezones over every small issue. That's the norm here. You also seem to be quite angry whenever anyone disagrees with you. You also make false comparisons and don't understand context at times. I miss the old nihilist.

I get it you're scared and have no faith in you're argument, don't worry I'll allow you to continue saying the same thing over and over again without any proof that you know what you're talking about

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I guess if you're assuming its a foregone conclusion but it's not like you dont have any basis to form an argument.

I don't know really, apart from Morgan didn't he have his molecules dispersed by MM?


Yeah, but despite whatever argument Quan pretends to build, the concept of rebuilding from molecular dispersion isn't linked directly with teleportation. Which actual feats does Void have to evade bfr? If anyone can actually answer that in a serious way, I'd like to hear it.

didnt sentry teleport in new avengers when he got his powers back

Originally posted by bbrem123
didnt sentry teleport in new avengers when he got his powers back


Someone previously mentioned he teleported, I think it may be the case, but depending on the situation would still be limited to inter-dimensional travels instead of transdimensional.

If you can actually bring the issue number or the scan it's a great find though, most of the guys "defending" Void haven't even bothered to search that feat

(The feat was mentioned by someone who didn't think he could teleport through dimensions)

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9287/newavengersv108136vk.jpg

this is the one i think people refer to

teleported away in a flash of light

That looked like a superspeed get away biscuits

they were in a cave lol...i dont know if it is superspeed there...you could argue it tho

Originally posted by Nihilist
I get it you're scared and have no faith in you're argument, don't worry I'll allow you to continue saying the same thing over and over again without any proof that you know what you're talking about Not scared just don't find it necessary. If you can't prove your case here what's the point in having a battlezone. Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but despite whatever argument Quan pretends to build, the concept of rebuilding from molecular dispersion isn't linked directly with teleportation. Which actual feats does Void have to evade bfr? If anyone can actually answer that in a serious way, I'd like to hear it. There's more implication through the feats I described and no proof you can bfr the Void. None.

this happens in new avengers #8 if u have the issue to look at

he starts to glow then is gone...and is then in his house as reynolds

now that i think about it....he teleport in the same fashion in dark x-men #3 when x-man and him talk...he casually teleports away

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/darkxmen030008.jpg/

Odin wins.

Next question.

Well you can infer he can do it since he says his powers are similar to molecule man and I doubt people would argue whether Owen or beyonder can do it...

But as a matter to dimension hopping feats... 616 sentry I got nothing...
I do believe zombies sentry or was mentioned as arriving in that universe from another though... But even if I was remembering that right i don't remember it saying how he got there...

As a matter of implied power of course I believe he can.. As far as actual feat. :-/

I didn't remember that one, I'll try to check it tomorrow


Originally posted by quanchi112
Not scared just don't find it necessary. If you can't prove your case here what's the point in having a battlezone. There's more implication through the feats I described and no proof you can bfr the Void. None.


I don't need to prove anything, you have to prove he has what it takes to travel through dimensions, something which you haven't.

Originally posted by bbrem123
they were in a cave lol...i dont know if it is superspeed there...you could argue it tho


I really didn't mean it, I believe Sentry has enough flexibility to teleport, even Wonderman can teleport nowadays so I think Sentry can probably do it if he does something akin to teleportation.

I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer.

Originally posted by Bentley


I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer.

ooo i was just arguing that he could teleport...my bad, didnt really read everything that was posted before, way to much lol

dont know about interdimensional tho...from what i know he has never demonstrate that power.

Originally posted by Bentley
I didn't remember that one, I'll try to check it tomorrow





I don't need to prove anything, you have to prove he has what it takes to travel through dimensions, something which you haven't.




I really didn't mean it, I believe Sentry has enough flexibility to teleport, even Wonderman can teleport nowadays so I think Sentry can probably do it if he does something akin to teleportation.

I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer. Yu need to prove he can considering his implied power/crazy feats and now scans of him more than likely teleporting.

What's also funny is Odin rarely if ever bfr's yet you're clinging to it here because you know he can't kill the Void.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yu need to prove he can considering his implied power/crazy feats and now scans of him more than likely teleporting.

What's also funny is Odin rarely if ever bfr's yet you're clinging to it here because you know he can't kill the Void.


Oh, I think he can kill the Void, I just know you're too stubborn to accept that, so I'm giving you an easy way out: You can accept he will get bfrd and save some face. That's what this "debate" has been since the first time I launched the bfr idea.

Also, you still have no feats, implied power is cool and everything, but implication means things are not explicit. We don't really know how high are those Void abilties which nobody quite knew -not us, the readers, that's for certain-. My biggest issue with Sentry/Void is that some posters have jumped in the bandwagon of him having "the highest possible power he could have with what we saw", which is downright unreasonable -and in your particular case, biased, because I know you don't do other characters this kind of favor-.

I accept that we can differ in opinions, but when you're assuming things that cannot be held in a debate I'm calling you on it. You cannot say Void dimension hops when he never interacted with different dimensions in any significant way.

Void's just there to soak up attacks Thanos doesn't want to take. I don't know if he's allowed to reform from complete annihilation though, but if he is, he's pretty much only good for a shield.

Originally posted by Bentley
Oh, I think he can kill the Void, I just know you're too stubborn to accept that, so I'm giving you an easy way out: You can accept he will get bfrd and save some face. That's what this "debate" has been since the first time I launched the bfr idea.

Also, you still have no feats, implied power is cool and everything, but implication means things are not explicit. We don't really know how high are those Void abilties which nobody quite knew -not us, the readers, that's for certain-. My biggest issue with Sentry/Void is that some posters have jumped in the bandwagon of him having "the highest possible power he could have with what we saw", which is downright unreasonable -and in your particular case, biased, because I know you don't do other characters this kind of favor-.

I accept that we can differ in opinions, but when you're assuming things that cannot be held in a debate I'm calling you on it. You cannot say Void dimension hops when he never interacted with different dimensions in any significant way. He can't be bfr'd. He never has been and acting like Sentry is the same as the Void is simply ridiculous. No one has killed the Void as of yet unless he cooperates so I think he'd tear Odin in half.

The Void's feats back it up. The guy can be completely annihilated and come back. Odin can't. Surfer can't. Thanos can though. Oh yeah.

He's been altered and taken out via timeline manipulation and still came back under his own power. That to me says it all.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Void's just there to soak up attacks Thanos doesn't want to take. I don't know if he's allowed to reform from complete annihilation though, but if he is, he's pretty much only good for a shield.

why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't be bfr'd. He never has been and acting like Sentry is the same as the Void is simply ridiculous. No one has killed the Void as of yet unless he cooperates so I think he'd tear Odin in half.

Not how it works at all, you have to actually prove Void is harder to bfr that Sentry, which apparently you cannot do, since you've been avoiding this issue the whole debate. If you're lucky some actual Sentry fans like bbrem will defend this point better than you do, but I actually haven't heard a word in this post that made me change my mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void's feats back it up. The guy can be completely annihilated and come back. Odin can't. Surfer can't. Thanos can though. Oh yeah.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Maybe Wolverine can survive attacks that Kang cannot take, but Kang still would return from the future while Logan is stranded. Different powersets mean different interactions and more important: The need of actually proving your powers through feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's been altered and taken out via timeline manipulation and still came back under his own power. That to me says it all.

If we were actually talking about real world physics there would be a chance that time-manipulation and downright annihilation were related with teleporting, but comics are so bad with physics that we cannot assume the abilities will be related, and we should do a case by case scenario. One ability which can implicate some feats for a character can be much less impressive in another, just consider the different degrees in which gravity manipulation is employed in comics.

I don't mind to discuss about Void's possible abilities, I'm just not going to make him an exception in the way I judge every character here in KMC. This happens to hinder many characters I like -Korvac, the Collector, Kang-, but it's the best way to discuss characters in a civil manner.

Originally posted by bbrem123
why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki


It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks.

Originally posted by Bentley
Not how it works at all, you have to actually prove Void is harder to bfr that Sentry, which apparently you cannot do, since you've been avoiding this issue the whole debate. If you're lucky some actual Sentry fans like bbrem will defend this point better than you do, but I actually haven't heard a word in this post that made me change my mind.



Which has nothing to do with anything. Maybe Wolverine can survive attacks that Kang cannot take, but Kang still would return from the future while Logan is stranded. Different powersets mean different interactions and more important: The need of actually proving your powers through feats.



If we were actually talking about real world physics there would be a chance that time-manipulation and downright annihilation were related with teleporting, but comics are so bad with physics that we cannot assume the abilities will be related, and we should do a case by case scenario. One ability which can implicate some feats for a character can be much less impressive in another, just consider the different degrees in which gravity manipulation is employed in comics.

I don't mind to discuss about Void's possible abilities, I'm just not going to make him an exception in the way I judge every character here in KMC. This happens to hinder many characters I like -Korvac, the Collector, Kang-, but it's the best way to discuss characters in a civil manner. I'm not posting scans for you. I won't go look for scans because you'll dismiss anything for the Sentry/Void so it's a waste of time. You are already dismissing the scans posted and will always continue to do so.

Void's come back to a different location so he has shown through time manipulation he can get back under his own power.

See you are doing it again dismissing everything because you just have made your mind up. That's not how I debate I always open my mind to what the other poster is trying to say unlike you who picks and chooses what he takes from the comic books.

No proof whatsoever you can strand the Void and looking at this intelligently with the minds he's been up against and the entire planet it makes no sense that a simple bfr can get the job done anyways.

Originally posted by bbrem123
why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki He hasn't shown more power output than MM... he's beaten MM while he caught him off guard, but he hasn't shown more power output than him. Especially when he couldn't fix the town in the same page.

High Heralds look like flies? He got his shit pushed in by a rejuvenated Thor, and Nornstone Loki wasn't fighting back at all... then it was revealed that he wanted to die anyway, so
Hell, it was blatantly shown that the Nornstones were above him...

Originally posted by Bentley
It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks. The worst Odin can do is destroy his body to which he comes back while Odin depletes more energy and will be rendered needing an odin nap after a while even if you think the power gap is that huge between the two.

Originally posted by Bentley
It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks.

the thing is tho...there is both thanos and void here...and we have seen a weaker thanos take the complete attention of odin, giving void easy openings for attacks

i just dont think odin can control the field which is consisting of two power characters.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He hasn't shown more power output than MM... he's beaten MM while he caught him off guard, but he hasn't shown more power output than him. Especially when he couldn't fix the town in the same page.

High Heralds look like flies? He got his shit pushed in by a rejuvenated Thor, and Nornstone Loki wasn't fighting back at all... then it was revealed that he wanted to die anyway, so
Hell, it was blatantly shown that the Nornstones were above him...

he didnt put everything back because he didnt have as good control as MM did...if u read the comic you would know this

have u ever seen any appearances by void?

and yes loki was fighting back...he plan as day attacked him and got destroyed...and no the stones were not above him...they were annoying him nothing more...please read the comic before arguing...and if u did read them, go back and read them again because u missed the important stuff

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not posting scans for you. I won't go look for scans because you'll dismiss anything for the Sentry/Void so it's a waste of time. You are already dismissing the scans posted and will always continue to do so.

Scans which don't prove dimension hoping, which needs to be proved by reasons I already explained. Posting scans doesn't mean I need to agree to your point when your point has nothing to do with the scans. Again, I'm not asking you to search for them either, but bbrem got me some issue numbers and I can search them myself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Void's come back to a different location so he has shown through time manipulation he can get back under his own power.

Which dimension? Asgard? Dormmanu's realm? The Kree Galaxy at least? I already stressed that a very important part of proving this feat is scale. Something that Nightcrawler can do -teleporting- has nothing to do with being bfrd by someone on Odin level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See you are doing it again dismissing everything because you just have made your mind up. That's not how I debate I always open my mind to what the other poster is trying to say unlike you who picks and chooses what he takes from the comic books.


And yet I've never see you change your mind :P


Originally posted by quanchi112
No proof whatsoever you can strand the Void and looking at this intelligently with the minds he's been up against and the entire planet it makes no sense that a simple bfr can get the job done anyways.


Which would be a nice argument if Marvel heroes weren't utter morons. I'm sorry but after House of M happened, hanging with Sentry being an Avenger is nonesense, Planet Hulk happened and also, Sentry originally being a hero -and Thor refusing to kill him even after the fall of Asgard, after all that brutality and murder- apparently made him go easy on him. They are idiots.

ALSO, you can argue that they would have a hard time containing Bob so they could get rid of him, they never tried to actually do so, so we can only speculate if they could pull it off. The fact that Odin is WAY beyond the scope of Marvel Earth heroes allows this to sit a little more comfortable as an argument. Even if the Marvel heroes would fail, Odin could succeed.

(You still haven't proof he can't be bfrd btw)

Originally posted by Bentley
Scans which don't prove dimension hoping, which needs to be proved by reasons I already explained. Posting scans doesn't mean I need to agree to your point when your point has nothing to do with the scans. Again, I'm not asking you to search for them either, but bbrem got me some issue numbers and I can search them myself.



Which dimension? Asgard? Dormmanu's realm? The Kree Galaxy at least? I already stressed that a very important part of proving this feat is scale. Something that Nightcrawler can do -teleporting- has nothing to do with being bfrd by someone on Odin level.




And yet I've never see you change your mind :P





Which would be a nice argument if Marvel heroes weren't utter morons. I'm sorry but after House of M happened, hanging with Sentry being an Avenger is nonesense, Planet Hulk happened and also, Sentry originally being a hero -and Thor refusing to kill him even after the fall of Asgard, after all that brutality and murder- apparently made him go easy on him. They are idiots.

ALSO, you can argue that they would have a hard time containing Bob so they could get rid of him, they never tried to actually do so, so we can only speculate if they could pull it off. The fact that Odin is WAY beyond the scope of Marvel Earth heroes allows this to sit a little more comfortable as an argument. Even if the Marvel heroes would fail, Odin could succeed.

(You still haven't proof he can't be bfrd btw) Coming back from timestream manipulation is being in another dimension. Same thing except even more difficult.

You also need to prove dimensional warping can work through all the stuff that the Void has come back from. Acting like he's like any of these other characters when on the fly he learned he can reality mm is just plain silly.

I used to think Darkseid killed DD but galan changed my mind.


They aren't idiots. Reed and Strange were involved and Thor wanted to see him pay for his crimes which makes sense as a hero but when he realized more innocents might die in the process he cooperated with bobtry.

I also don't think Odin is well beyond Reed richards and strange putting theiri minds to something. Odin along with his entire army save Thor was beaten by ants with laser pistons. Richards and Strange have tackled through prep greater threats than Odin but came up with nothing against the Void.

Originally posted by bbrem123
he didnt put everything back because he didnt have as good control as MM did...if u read the comic you would know this

have u ever seen any appearances by void?

and yes loki was fighting back...he plan as day attacked him and got destroyed...and no the stones were not above him...they were annoying him nothing more...please read the comic before arguing...and if u did read them, go back and read them again because u missed the important stuff He couldn't?
I'm still not clear of the ABC logic though of him having more power output than MM.

Nope. He might have shot a beam at Void, but it wasn't clear if it was directed at him or to the heroes. Also, I find it funny how you ignored the part where Loki wanted to die. You'd think such a Void supporter as yourself would understand wanting to die.
Question is, did you read the comic? Because Void got his ass kicked by the Nornstone powered heroes, before he went after the source. Even Nornstone powered Cap was able to hurt him. When he whines about them not playing fair, then all they managed to do was annoy him amirite?

And when Loki died, full powered Thor took Void to town, so...

I think Odin can kill Void, I see Void as comparable to Hela who Odin can kill and resurrect.

I think he would lose to them on a team, though.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He couldn't?
I'm still not clear of the ABC logic though of him having more power output than MM.

Nope. He might have shot a beam at Void, but it wasn't clear if it was directed at him or to the heroes. Also, I find it funny how you ignored the part where Loki wanted to die. You'd think such a Void supporter as yourself would understand wanting to die.
Question is, did you read the comic? Because Void got his ass kicked by the Nornstone powered heroes, before he went after the source. Even Nornstone powered Cap was able to hurt him. When he whines about them not playing fair, then all they managed to do was annoy him amirite?

And when Loki died, full powered Thor took Void to town, so... Between Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.

I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Between Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.

I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone. Winning doesn't mean more powerful. Like Cap beating up Hulk... except in that case it does prove he's more powerful... A snake beating up Hulk?

Nope, it isn't. If you need me to, I'll draw a dog to prove you wrong.
Through others, not directly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Between Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.

I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone.

yup...he just doesnt know what hes talking about...or he wont admit that he is wrong

plan as day that he is trying to hurt void
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9181/siege01011.jpg

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Winning doesn't mean more powerful. Like Cap beating up Hulk... except in that case it does prove he's more powerful... A snake beating up Hulk?

Nope, it isn't. If you need me to, I'll draw a dog to prove you wrong.
Through others, not directly.

if MM were more powerful he would be able to resist sentrys attacks...which he obviously couldnt

Originally posted by bbrem123
if MM were more powerful he would be able to resist sentrys attacks...which he obviously couldnt Sentry couldn't resist MM's attack either... Just because you can't resist a well, let's call it a cheapshot, that doesn't mean you're less powerful.

That leaves us with one character being able to reform and another character not being able to. If MM could have reformed the first guy to get off would have just kept killing the other. Not really proving who's more powerful, but powerful enough against the other.

Originally posted by bbrem123
yup...he just doesnt know what hes talking about...or he wont admit that he is wrong

plan as day that he is trying to hurt void
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9181/siege01011.jpg You just abandoned all of your previous points in favor of one singular blast. I wouldn't be talking about not knowing things if I were you.

Either way, he's either shooting one power blast at Void or trying to power up the heroes more. Considering he could have went intangible, teleported, created a shield, or any other means easily, but I guess that falls in line with him wanting to die like Void did, and if we ignore that, then we might as well ignore Void wanting to die too. Which was my point.

What was your point? Oh wait... you abandoned that.

no ur just to thickheaded to see the on panel proof...no reason arguing with u anymore...u obviously dont know ur comics to well

Originally posted by bbrem123
no ur just to thickheaded to see the on panel proof...no reason arguing with u anymore...u obviously dont know ur comics to well You just ignored everything I said... and Thor beating up Void, and the Nornstone empowered heroes beating up Void, and Loki wanting to die. Ignoring on panel proof, amirite?

Also, it doesn't matter if Loki fired a blast at Void. That isn't exactly fighting back knowing the capabilities of the Nornstones, and it doesn't exactly say that Loki wasn't trying to die (which he was).

You seem like the type of guy who would argue the color of a panel instead of anything of meaning.

Concession accepted though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The worst Odin can do is destroy his body to which he comes back while Odin depletes more energy and will be rendered needing an odin nap after a while even if you think the power gap is that huge between the two.

Can Thanos's Force Block trap Void Quan?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Since when has Odin ever bfr'd someone in time anyways. Bob returned of his own power to the present after morgana mucked around.

Odin did it against Gladiator from the future, after Thor defeated time traveling Gladiator, Odin appears and send him back to his own timeline. Thor vol.2 #33-35

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Can Thanos's Force Block trap Void Quan? No.Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin did it against Gladiator from the future, after Thor defeated time traveling Gladiator, Odin appears and send him back to his own timeline. Thor vol.2 #33-35 Because he couldn't have Thor aware of what was set to take place Thor had to learn for himself.It's out of character for Odin but I did not remember off hand that he sent Gladiator back to the future like a mcfly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Coming back from timestream manipulation is being in another dimension. Same thing except even more difficult.

You also need to prove dimensional warping can work through all the stuff that the Void has come back from. Acting like he's like any of these other characters when on the fly he learned he can reality mm is just plain silly.


No, I don't need to prove squat. You're the one claiming that the manipulation Morgana used is akin to dimensional traveling, and the one trying to prove Void can respond to being sent away. You're inside an infinity fallacy "Void did something amazing so he can do more amazing/different".

I'm not criticizing your opinion, you can think Bob can do something he never did, but you can't criticize me for not believeing the same thing, under the concept of him never doing it, nor having any actual basis of him posessing such powers. The arguments you've brought -time manipulation- are as murky as they can possibly get. When you time-manipulate in the Marvel Universe, sometimes you just create an alternate reality, and some others you seem to affect the timeline itself; this second time tends to be linked to the use of a special device to that effect, in this case I'd assume is Morgana's magic. So is he resisting magic or time-manipulation? Who cares? The point is that we barely understand what happens, so we cannot just say "he dimension hopped", how would we possibly know if what he did is akin to be thrown to another dimension?


Originally posted by quanchi112
They aren't idiots. Reed and Strange were involved and Thor wanted to see him pay for his crimes which makes sense as a hero but when he realized more innocents might die in the process he cooperated with bobtry.

Something they didn't try isn't something we're gonna criticize, they never even tried to bfr Bob, so the point is moot.

Originally posted by Bentley
No, I don't need to prove squat. You're the one claiming that the manipulation Morgana used is akin to dimensional traveling, and the one trying to prove Void can respond to being sent away. You're inside an infinity fallacy "Void did something amazing so he can do more amazing/different".

I'm not criticizing your opinion, you can think Bob can do something he never did, but you can't criticize me for not believeing the same thing, under the concept of him never doing it, nor having any actual basis of him posessing such powers. The arguments you've brought -time manipulation- are as murky as they can possibly get. When you time-manipulate in the Marvel Universe, sometimes you just create an alternate reality, and some others you seem to affect the timeline itself; this second time tends to be linked to the use of a special device to that effect, in this case I'd assume is Morgana's magic. So is he resisting magic or time-manipulation? Who cares? The point is that we barely understand what happens, so we cannot just say "he dimension hopped", how would we possibly know if what he did is akin to be thrown to another dimension?




Something they didn't try isn't something we're gonna criticize, they never even tried to bfr Bob, so the point is moot. If he comes back under his own power he comes back under his own power also to a different location.

You called them idiots but they aren't and to suggest something this easy would defeat the Void is quite a stretch and goes against common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If he comes back under his own power he comes back under his own power also to a different location.

You called them idiots but they aren't and to suggest something this easy would defeat the Void is quite a stretch and goes against common sense.


But how exactly is that teleportation, for one thing it sure wasn't instantaneous the first two times, and then, it didn't travelled a very far distance while doing it. Just to assume his movement while reformed equals the fastest kind of interdimensional travel in comicdom sounds like jumping into conclussions.

We're reading comics, going against common sense is very unusual, I'm not exactly how that's even an argument. "Batman is a genius but the Joker still gets out of prision and murders people", see what I did there?

Originally posted by Bentley
But how exactly is that teleportation, for one thing it sure wasn't instantaneous the first two times, and then, it didn't travelled a very far distance while doing it. Just to assume his movement while reformed equals the fastest kind of interdimensional travel in comicdom sounds like jumping into conclussions.

We're reading comics, going against common sense is very unusual, I'm not exactly how that's even an argument. "Batman is a genius but the Joker still gets out of prision and murders people", see what I did there? He was still learning his powers and wasn't aware of them fully yet.

Batman not killing him doesn't make him stupid just unrealistic and adhering to a higher moral code.

Reed and Strange actually trying their best to defeat the Void yet coming up empty leads us to believe bfr isn't even an option since it's something they can easily accomplish.

Originally posted by Nihilist
May isnt good enough and the only time he said anything of the sort iirc was in a What If which is non cannon.

The only time it is really suggested in DA is by Norman, and his wife Lindy never said anything of the sort iirc, she just thought he was a killer/lunatic.

The only thing Osbourne knew was that he needed a serum and would kill people for him acting as him own personal angel of death.

Geuss work inst good enough proof im afraid.



wrong, his wife clearly explains how she beleives her husband is not merely serum empowered, but linked/connected to a higher power. try reading the dark avengers final arc. and as for osborn, he seemed to truly beleive void was the angel of death.

It was heavily implied that Sentry was connected to GOD, and was the Angel of Death. Frankly, he kind of beat us over the head with the concept. Unfortunately, even when Bendis puts something in print, it doesn't actually end up meaning anything. Just like the Daredevil/Ronin, Baby Cage/Skrull and Void/Matter Manipulator angles all went to shit at the drop of a hat. At the end, Bendis just wrote some lunatic with Trans level power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bendis is full of shit.

I would pay good money to see the current Odin reaction to the Void when claims to be a God killing Angel. The *ss kicking that would follow would be legendary.

Originally posted by wildernesss
wrong, his wife clearly explains how she beleives her husband is not merely serum empowered, but linked/connected to a higher power. try reading the dark avengers final arc. and as for osborn, he seemed to truly beleive void was the angel of death. His wife believed that's all, its not like she was some sort of expert on higher powered entitys and you are going by what she believed I geuss we just ignore the on panel showing of bob taking the serum to become the Sentry and Osbourne giving more and more serum...after all lindys sceptical words>>>>>several on panel showings.

You mean the Norman Osbourne that was going insane with all that Goblin shit going on in head. Sorry but words of a rambling nut job with no other solid proof/mention of Death God/Angel status hold no weight

^I would bet good money that if someone brought this up with Bendis, that's almost the exact argument he'd use.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^I would bet good money that if someone brought this up with Bendis, that's almost the exact argument he'd use. what, the part about Norman being a raving lunatic ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was still learning his powers and wasn't aware of them fully yet.

Batman not killing him doesn't make him stupid just unrealistic and adhering to a higher moral code.

Reed and Strange actually trying their best to defeat the Void yet coming up empty leads us to believe bfr isn't even an option since it's something they can easily accomplish.


So Batman gets to have a moral code while Reed and Strange are savages who don't want to send a friend of theirs to another dimension in order to save their butts? I'm sorry, but we're talking comics here, plot's need to revolve around things more interesting than sending every threat to another dimension, whether or not the characters could do it. You're trying to sell this as clearcut proof which it certainly isn't.

And the "learning powers", still falls under the infinite fallacy problem, I'm just not going to assume Void can do anything by learning more because he has a high powerlevel. You just can't debate that way, it's unfair to other posters and based on false premises.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but despite whatever argument Quan pretends to build, the concept of rebuilding from molecular dispersion isn't linked directly with teleportation. Which actual feats does Void have to evade bfr? If anyone can actually answer that in a serious way, I'd like to hear it.

I don't think it needs to be. He had his molecules dispersed by one of the most powerful beings in the universe it's not directly related to teleportation but has some similarities.

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

So yea based on those two exmples Quan is right. What you seem to be arguing is that becuase it's not exactly the same its a faulty argument. It's like trying to argue somebody who can survive Cyclops optic blast and a black hole can't withstand a punch from Thor because the examples are not directly related. If you look at what the attacks involve you can use common sense to come to a logical conclusion.

Originally posted by Nihilist
His wife believed that's all, its not like she was some sort of expert on higher powered entitys and you are going by what she believed I geuss we just ignore the on panel showing of bob taking the serum to become the Sentry and Osbourne giving more and more serum...after all lindys sceptical words>>>>>several on panel showings.

You mean the Norman Osbourne that was going insane with all that Goblin shit going on in head. Sorry but words of a rambling nut job with no other solid proof/mention of Death God/Angel status hold no weight


he didn't need to "take more serum" to "become the sentry". the second mini series showed in crystal clear canon that the initial serum he ingested gave him permanent powers. osborn was dosing him with extra serum to facilitate the void's release through some kind of powerful "high" or consciousness shift brought on by the excess serum.his wife could be 100% correct & the serum may be nothing more than a catalyst which enabled "possession" for lack of a better word.


osborn's words hold weight if you consider the devastation void brought to asgard & his mastery over death. sure, it isn't proven that void was truly the angel of death, but it sure as hell shouldn't surprise anyone if he is.

There is no Christian God in the MU. So no he probably won't be the angel of God but a powerful entity.

Originally posted by Deadline
There is no Christian God in the MU. So no he probably won't be the angel of God but a powerful entity.


angels are frequently seen in the pages of ghost rider. i beleive ghost rider is an angel himself iirc. so sentry/void could possibly be some kind of wrathful angel.

Originally posted by wildernesss
angels are frequently seen in the pages of ghost rider. i beleive ghost rider is an angel himself iirc. so sentry/void could possibly be some kind of wrathful angel.

As far as I'm aware they're not angels they are abstract forces that take form according to what people believe.

Originally posted by Deadline
As far as I'm aware they're not angels they are abstract forces that take form according to what people believe.

fair enough, i'm not disputing that. i'm simply saying that they're frequently referred to as angels.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think it needs to be. He had his molecules dispersed by one of the most powerful beings in the universe it's not directly related to teleportation but has some similarities.

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

So yea based on those two exmples Quan is right. What you seem to be arguing is that becuase it's not exactly the same its a faulty argument. It's like trying to argue somebody who can survive Cyclops optic blast and a black hole can't withstand a punch from Thor because the examples are not directly related. If you look at what the attacks involve you can use common sense to come to a logical conclusion.


I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.

Dimensional hoping and regenerating are two different abilities, Void has enough abilities on his own to then have people inventing new powers by stretching his few showings. There is no need to debase the character like that.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.




actually, sentry/void has travelled dimensions. everytime he dies wouldn't he enter the realm or dimension of death? and since the void is a death entity or angel he would have some kind of substantial anchor within that dimension.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.

Dimensional hoping and regenerating are two different abilities, Void has enough abilities on his own to then have people inventing new powers by stretching his few showings. There is no need to debase the character like that.


Originally posted by Deadline

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

And he can snatch people from time and erase them from existence.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_existenceremoval1.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_existenceremoval.jpg

I'm trying to give you a hint.

Originally posted by wildernesss
actually, sentry/void has travelled dimensions. everytime he dies wouldn't he enter the realm or dimension of death? and since the void is a death entity or angel he would have some kind of substantial anchor within that dimension.


You can argue that Void molecules never actually left the dimension but they were dispersed, even time-manipulation would technicaly work you within the same time line to become what you would've been in that dimension. If we take Molecule Man's word on Sentry's molecules they are unique, so they could be persistant within the universe they are at in the moment of destruction. But if they've been moved before destruction, the "anchor" -those molecules- would've left too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was heavily implied that Sentry was connected to GOD, and was the Angel of Death. Frankly, he kind of beat us over the head with the concept. Unfortunately, even when Bendis puts something in print, it doesn't actually end up meaning anything. Just like the Daredevil/Ronin, Baby Cage/Skrull and Void/Matter Manipulator angles all went to shit at the drop of a hat. At the end, Bendis just wrote some lunatic with Trans level power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bendis is full of shit.

I would pay good money to see the current Odin reaction to the Void when claims to be a God killing Angel. The *ss kicking that would follow would be legendary.

Yep, it sure was marked in stone during the Sentry arc that he was the "angel of death". Bendis basically made that known. I don't know what type of proof some of these people are asking for to make it clear cut besides Bendis himself referring to Sentry as this throughout the arc.

What other proof is needed? The only other proof that would be expected is Sentry having a convo with God himself and I HOPE that isn't what some of these people are asking for.

Sentry was the angel of death but does that gives him an auto-win... sure doesnt, especially against someone as powerful as Odin.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You just ignored everything I said... and Thor beating up Void, and the Nornstone empowered heroes beating up Void, and Loki wanting to die. Ignoring on panel proof, amirite?

Also, it doesn't matter if Loki fired a blast at Void. That isn't exactly fighting back knowing the capabilities of the Nornstones, and it doesn't exactly say that Loki wasn't trying to die (which he was).

You seem like the type of guy who would argue the color of a panel instead of anything of meaning.

Concession accepted though.

thor beating up void?? come on now...it was shown that void wanted to die and that is the only way he could be beat....thor is nothing compared to void....and all i see is that void i beyond the stones and killed loki who was trying to kill him throughout the whole fight....all u do is take everything out of context to fit what u want to be true...nice try tho buddy

Originally posted by Bentley
So Batman gets to have a moral code while Reed and Strange are savages who don't want to send a friend of theirs to another dimension in order to save their butts? I'm sorry, but we're talking comics here, plot's need to revolve around things more interesting than sending every threat to another dimension, whether or not the characters could do it. You're trying to sell this as clearcut proof which it certainly isn't.

And the "learning powers", still falls under the infinite fallacy problem, I'm just not going to assume Void can do anything by learning more because he has a high powerlevel. You just can't debate that way, it's unfair to other posters and based on false premises. That's the reason Batman doesn't kill the Joker it's not that he doesn't. Bfring him isn't killing him either. It's not even the same thing and reed and strange bfr'd hulk before so quit acting like they have never bfr'd one of their own friends before. Void is too much and unlike most can't solo marvel earth by his lonesome.


We've also seen scans of him probably teleporting and surviving a timeline wipe and returning under your own power is far better than being bfr'd to another dimension.

I come to a logical conclusion whereas you don't. I'm right you're wrong.

Things to think about -

Thanos has 24 hours of prep here.

The Void is twice as strong in the Negative Zone

Odin is a bad@ss.

I have no idea who wins, but i'm taking the team for a majority with the prep.

Originally posted by Deadline
There is no Christian God in the MU. So no he probably won't be the angel of God but a powerful entity.
I think he would fit in with the Ghostrider pantheon, which features Satan, angels, and other judeo-christian concepts.

For what its worth, a "what-if" once showed Jesus along with the other pantheons of earth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We've also seen scans of him PROBABLY teleporting and surviving a timeline wipe and returning under your own power is far BETTER than being bfr'd to another dimension.


Better hence different, probably hence not sure.

You just confirmed everything I've been defending all this time.

Originally posted by Bentley
Better hence different, probably hence not sure.

You just confirmed everything I've been defending all this time. Wiping you from the timeline means you don't exist in reality and never have existed. To suggest bfr can successfully keep you away while erasing you from the timeline is illogical. I win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wiping you from the timeline means you don't exist in reality and never have existed. To suggest bfr can successfully keep you away while erasing you from the timeline is illogical. I win.


So now you just repeat yourself after I debunked all your opinions?

Concession accepted, feel free to have the last "word" as you often do, I'm out of here

Originally posted by Bentley
So now you just repeat yourself after I debunked all your opinions?

Concession accepted, feel free to have the last "word" as you often do, I'm out of here You didn't debunk anything you've been backing up since this debate started. You make asinine claims that contradicts reed's history, strange's history, and the Void's history. What's hysterical is you even went so far as to say these heroes don't bfr their friends to which I replied Hulk. I've beaten you so badly in this thread it will go down in infamy.

Only you would say Void can't come back from being bfr'd when he's been erased from a timeline. There have been scans of teleporting also and surviving complete destruction.

Your case reminds me of an h1 argument. H1 says Superman hv him to death in one shot. There's nothing to it and it defies common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're case reminds me of a h1 argument.

Shots fired.