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The fight takes place in the busy streets of NYC. Who wins?

She'd give prime some trouble because of his hesitancy, but ultimately she's fundamentally outclassed at every level.

classic rogue would be have no chance and current rogue wouldnt even register unless she already started with a whole bunch of powers

Stomp..

He is just way out of her league..

Originally posted by 753
classic rogue would be have no chance and current rogue wouldnt even register unless she already started with a whole bunch of powers

What's classic Rogue in your opinion? If it was one of Claremont's portrayals, he's screwed if she can get her hands on him.

Classic Rogue has a chance, a GOOD chance. The girl was nigh invulnerable. Hell, she punched Classic Juggernaut so hard that it shattered every glass/window in the city. Then she tanked a punch from Binary that sent her flying from New York to the moon. She also has amazing/ Superman lite speed feats where she has slapped machine gun bullets from rapid rounds that were being shot at her. Then she have showings of blitzing at invisible speed as well. She has also survived a nuclear explosion... etc, etc,

Can Nova win, sure, I'm giving Classic Rogue the majorty though because that's all that she needs is a touch and the fight is done and she is invulnerable enough to get that touch.

Nova EASY

It really depends on the version we're using of Rogue. I wouldn't be surprised if trying to drain Nova of all his power would be too much for Rogue currently though. If the current incarnation can get her hands on him, it'd be a fight somewhat but I'd still give him the majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Can Nova win, sure, I'm giving Classic Rogue the majorty though because that's all that she needs is a touch and the fight is done and she is invulnerable enough to get that touch.
I doubt Rogues touch would be effective as the nova suit should protect Rich from that and all it'll take is a well timed grav manipulation x1000 to keep her at bay fallowed by full grav blast for KO.

Classic Nova would be a diff. Story dough..

Is there any evidence to support Nova's suit nullifying her touch?

This isn't you controlling Nova bro.

It doesn't have to 'nullify her touch' in any manner other than being a suit. Her power needs skin contact, remember.

Ms. Marvel Rogue loses, Sunspot Rogue loses, X-Treme Rogue wins, current Rogue loses *unless* she's allowed to tap from volunteers among the X-men, in which case she can come up with some sick power combinations and win

Rogue's gloves>>>Nova's suit. biscuits

Oh. Shit, I thought it had some special properties that I was unaware of or something. It is true, she needs skin contact for her powers to work, at least back in the day, and unfortunately, Nova is mostly armored.

Originally posted by carver9
Classic Rogue has a chance, a GOOD chance. The girl was nigh invulnerable. Hell, she punched Classic Juggernaut so hard that it shattered every glass/window in the city. Then she tanked a punch from Binary that sent her flying from New York to the moon. She also has amazing/ Superman lite speed feats where she has slapped machine gun bullets from rapid rounds that were being shot at her. Then she have showings of blitzing at invisible speed as well. She has also survived a nuclear explosion... etc, etc,

Can Nova win, sure, I'm giving Classic Rogue the majorty though because that's all that she needs is a touch and the fight is done and she is invulnerable enough to get that touch.

That's a negative...
Rogue wont even touch him...
This is a slaughter..
She gets stargated in the sun a second into the fight..

Even if she was able to touch him doubt her body can hold/withstand the destructive properties of the nova force, I figure it would be similar effect when she touch Surfer and passed out..

Didn't Classic Rogue absorb Thor along with all the members of the Avengers and Xmen and also absorbed the phoenix force?

Originally posted by Ambient
Even if she was able to touch him doubt her body can hold/withstand the destructive properties of the nova force, I figure it would be similar effect when she touch Surfer and passed out..

Like I said, depends on the version. Current Rogue would more than likely be unable to drain Nova of all his power but she could drain a large enough portion to make it a competitive fight but Nova would ultimate win a majority, 7/10 seems reasonable enough. If it was classic Rogue, a touch, and he'd be down. Under Claremont, I'd say she could drain Top Tiers for most of their power. At least earlier on. If a character's physiology is too different from human however, she won't have an effect but since it worked on everyone from Cain to Thor to the Hulk so I don't see it being an issue.

The Sphinx would tell Rogue that's it's probably not a good idea to try and absorb Nova's power.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Classic Rogue absorb Thor along with all the members of the Avengers and Xmen and also absorbed the phoenix force?

She failed to absorb Wonder-man.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Classic Rogue absorb .......the phoenix force? Originally posted by Silent Master
She failed to absorb Wonder-man.

WTF? Failed to absorb Wonder Man but absorbed a universal force of nature?

Originally posted by Silent Master
She failed to absorb Wonder-man.

It had nothing to do with how powerful he was... she failed to absorb him due to the energy he was made out of.

Originally posted by Silent Master
She failed to absorb Wonder-man.

She was successful with Thor. We only bringing up, what she has accomplished, since that is what matters.

She failed to absorb Wonder Man because he was too inhuman. Same went for the Vision. Yet she manages to affect Gods, Mystical empowered Entities, and Gamma Irradiated monsters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She failed to absorb Wonder Man because he was too inhuman. Same went for the Vision. Yet she manages to affect Gods, Mystical empowered Entities, and Gamma Irradiated monsters.

What issue was this? I'm genuinely curious.

She still ain't drainin him.. she won't even touch him.. fight starts, grav bubble, stargate into the sun... done.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
She still ain't drainin him.. she won't even touch him.. fight starts, grav bubble, stargate into the sun... done.

Is CIS on?

Originally posted by zopzop
What issue was this? I'm genuinely curious.

Her first appearance, Avengers Annual #10.

Originally posted by carver9
Is CIS on?


Eh??
It don't matter.. Add 5 other X-men of her level and they still go down.. She fukked here brotha..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Eh??
It don't matter.. Add 5 other X-men of her level and they still go down.. She fukked here brotha..

Naah, I disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, I disagree.

Describe to me how the fight would go from the start.. I wanna be enlightened here.. Maybe u can change my mind.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Describe to me how the fight would go from the start.. I wanna be enlightened here.. Maybe u can change my mind.

Both flies in, punch each other, testing each others strength. Nova then starts blasting her, knocking her off balance. Rogue then takes her gloves of, then they exchange blows again. Rogue touch his face, absorbs his power and unleash on him.

The end.

Like I told you before, Rogue is pretty much invulnerable... hell, Wolverine adamantium claws have bounced off of her and like I said before, she has be punched to the moon and tanked it. Nova is going to have a hard time dropping her and that's all she need is 1 touch which is a common route for her.

Saying that she can't absorb him is lunacie since again, she has absorbed more powerful beings in "one arc" INLCUDING the Phoenix Force.

You do know that the helmet covers most of his face, right?

Current Rogue gets steamrolled

Originally posted by carver9
Both flies in, punch each other, testing each others strength. Nova then starts blasting her, knocking her off balance. Rogue then takes her gloves of, then they exchange blows again. Rogue touch his face, absorbs his power and unleash on him.

The end.

Like I told you before, Rogue is pretty much invulnerable... hell, Wolverine adamantium claws have bounced off of her and like I said before, she has be punched to the moon and tanked it. Nova is going to have a hard time dropping her and that's all she need is 1 touch which is a common route for her.

Saying that she can't absorb him is lunacie since again, she has absorbed more powerful beings in "one arc" INLCUDING the Phoenix Force.

Not gonna happen.. First, he is almost all covered up except for parts of his face. 2Nd, he knows what she is capable of from the start. 3rd knowing what Rogue us capable of, why would he allow her to touch his face with his obvious speed advantage? Lastly, he has gravimetric shields on almost all the time if not all the time. How is she touching his skin now???

She's done...

Plus, his helmet can be sealed....which leaves no skin for her to touch.

Stomp city..

Edit

When a Nova Centurion is powered up, a sheathe of gravimetric shielding automatically turns on...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/novaann1dcp019.jpg/

Looks like everyone already addressed the major issues. I'll just add a few things to show why direct absorption isn't necessarily the best strategy against Nova.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1309114606023.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1309114620658.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1309114964833.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1309114975670.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-06-26123915.jpg

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Uh, Richie should pretty much smoke her.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's classic Rogue in your opinion? If it was one of Claremont's portrayals, he's screwed if she can get her hands on him. ms marvel powered rogue at her best.

nova usually fights with a gravity aura surrounding himself that would keep her touch away and I dont see her poundign throguh it.

Where u at Carvster?? What rock u hidin under this time??

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Where u at Carvster?? What rock u hidin under this time??

Rogue 6/10.

Ah, she has no way to drain his power and from what I've seen...the current Nova has her beat in stats across the board.

plus range, power ouptut and versatility

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue 6/10.

Thank you... Capitulation accepted...

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue 6/10.



http://cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/012011/situation-omg.gif

Rogue has better reflexes imo and her punches ain't no joke.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/10418rr8.jpg/

Like I said, Rogue punches ain't no joke.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/71/17ve9.jpg/

I can't tell if you're serious, Carv.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, depends on the version. Current Rogue would more than likely be unable to drain Nova of all his power but she could drain a large enough portion to make it a competitive fight but Nova would ultimate win a majority, 7/10 seems reasonable enough. If it was classic Rogue, a touch, and he'd be down. Under Claremont, I'd say she could drain Top Tiers for most of their power. At least earlier on. If a character's physiology is too different from human however, she won't have an effect but since it worked on everyone from Cain to Thor to the Hulk so I don't see it being an issue.
Nah i don't really see her winning a single match classic or otherwise.. Its just that Nova is not only very versatile in his applied powers but his energy output is way up there too.. Rogue needs to get close to him in order for her mutant powers to work but then she is going up against someone who is ftl in speed and reaction, all she'll end up going to be is a punching bag and lets face it she is durable but not cosmic or godly durable..

Gladiator once hit Nova with an entire train and it only slowed him down for a few seconds....IIRC Nova then dodged Gladiator and dragged him into space before Glad's could react.

This was from his old series, IE before his recent upgrades.

Originally posted by carver9
Rogue has better reflexes imo and her punches ain't no joke.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/10418rr8.jpg/ They're a joke compared to a guy that can make a lot of speedsters appear to be slow.

http://db.tt/RfMRWeJ
http://db.tt/WHgIPCl

Poor Nova no matter how much work he puts in destined to be eternally low balled.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said, Rogue punches ain't no joke.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/71/17ve9.jpg/

Nova's punches aren't half bad, even if he is holding back...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-06-05131231.jpg

Originally posted by dmills
Nova's punches aren't half bad, even if he is holding back...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-06-05131231.jpg

Did u really have to pour salt in da wounds with that scan??
That's Carvster's wank buddy in dat pic...
=P

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did u really have to pour salt in da wounds with that scan??
That's Carvster's wank buddy in dat pic...
=P

That was purely coincidental. Promise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSF

what the hell is the PSF supposed to stand for? Maybe they meant lbs of force and wrote it wrong?

BTW Celey,

I been meaning to ask where'd you get those web of Spiderman scans? I didn't even know about that. What else are ya hiding?

I don't have a lot of his ancillary appearances. Supposedly there's a nice speed feat that he has in an old Wolverine book I keep hearing about.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSF

what the hell is the PSF supposed to stand for? Maybe they meant lbs of force and wrote it wrong? lbs per square foot.

Why not just use PSI?

More common usage anyway, if we are talking about a propelled fist. : /

The conversion would make his PSI output ridiculously low for a supposed herald leveler anyway.

Nova absolutely wrecks

Originally posted by dmills
Nova's punches aren't half bad, even if he is holding back...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-06-05131231.jpg

I never said that Nova was weak... by the way, Rogue punch had more destructive force.

As for your other scan which was basicalyy flight speed, Rogue isn't an amateur in that department either.
She flew from the moon in seconds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/uncanny171page20vi0.jpg/

dropt it carver. he maintains a skin tight force-field in the form of a gravity aura arround himself. she cant get skin contact and her stats and power output are orders of magnitude lower than his. he is an actual mid-high herald she is a mid-high meta

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why not just use PSI?

More common usage anyway, if we are talking about a propelled fist. : /

The conversion would make his PSI output ridiculously low for a supposed herald leveler anyway. Beats me. Psi is used mainly as a measure of pressure vis a vie volume or area whereas psf is used mostly in constuction to measure material weight by area. Roof shingles or floor tiles for example.

The bio lists Banner "officially" at 7 ft tall -which is bs of course, he's more like 10-11 ft tall- 2000lbs. So let's say he's about 4.5 ft wide 4.5x7 ft would be 31.5 sq ft. Divide 2000 lbs into 31.5 sq ft and Banner weighs in at roughly 64lbs per square ft. Nova hit him with 750,000 psf, or roughly 11,000 times banners body weight per sq ft. Or in fanboy terminology, 340 metric tons per sq ft.

Of course, I'm sure Pak didn't think it through that far lol.

Nova wins.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that Nova was weak... by the way, Rogue punch had more destructive force.

As for your other scan which was basicalyy flight speed, Rogue isn't an amateur in that department either.
She flew from the moon in seconds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/uncanny171page20vi0.jpg/ I was trying for something comparable. He held back for fear of obliterating miles. Her best shot shattered some Windows. But no biggie.

You really think that sequence was meant to be depicted as flight speed?

But honestly, she's outclassed physically, outclassed in speed and her best trick is nullified by several factors, I.e. the suit, the shields etc. So unless you've got some evidence to suggest she'd bypass all of that, you're kinda trolling at this point.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Where u at Carvster?? What rock u hidin under this time??

@753

You see the statement above? This was a challenge. He basically challenged and its very rare that I back down from this.

As for right now, I'm done with this topic (unless another challenge comes my way).

Originally posted by carver9
@753

You see the statement above? This was a challenge. He basically challenged and its very rare that I back down from this.

As for right now, I'm done with this topic (unless another challenge comes my way).

Carvester u know u mah boy...

Originally posted by carver9
@753

You see the statement above? This was a challenge. He basically challenged and its very rare that I back down from this.

As for right now, I'm done with this topic (unless another challenge comes my way).

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551447.html