James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

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Mr.Mxyzptlk
Setting

The fight takes place in the city of Rio at dusk. The city is completely deserted of all forms of life but the city is otherwise running at normal capacity.

Scenarios

1. Standard fight between each. No prep-time, no blood-lust, standard equipment and only the knowledge they already have on each other.

2. Blade gets prep-time (one month), blood-lust is on for Blade and Wolverine is otherwise limited to Scenario 1.

3. Same as Scenario 2 except Wolverine is blood-lusted.


Note

Please back up all claims with evidence. Don't just say Wolverine wins or Blade wins unless you explain why and can provide scans and feats to prove this.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
So, no one wants to weigh in on this?

StiltmanFTW
Nobody knows Blade's real name stick out tongue

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody knows Blade's real name stick out tongue

laughing

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody knows Blade's real name stick out tongue
I was about to look up Eric Brooks just before I saw your post. laughing out loud

Howlett ftw.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Eternal Idol


Howlett ftw.

Why?

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Why?

Teh clawz

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Teh clawz

And Blade was using an Adamantium sword when he was with Spitfire and the rest of the blokes over in England.

I'm not supporting either side, just enforcing that real reasoning, evidence and feats are being used by both sides to prove their stand points on this fight.

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And Blade was using an Adamantium sword when he was with Spitfire and the rest of the blokes over in England.

I'm not supporting either side, just enforcing that real reasoning, evidence and feats are being used by both sides to prove their stand points on this fight.

Wolverine can tank the sword thrusts and slashes long enough to get a kill shot on Blade. It's already happened on panel once.

KingD19
It's a great fight, and Blade is arguably around the same skill level as Logan, but Logan is designed to not lose fights like this....unless we give Blade the handle of the Muramasa Blade and he gets a lucky tap on Logan's forehead.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Wolverine can tank the sword thrusts and slashes long enough to get a kill shot on Blade. It's already happened on panel once.

The fight that I assume you're mentioning is one that I was under the assumption was agreed as being very poorly written.

But if you're speaking of another fight, then please post the scans of it.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by KingD19
It's a great fight, and Blade is arguably around the same skill level as Logan, but Logan is designed to not lose fights like this....unless we give Blade the handle of the Muramasa Blade and he gets a lucky tap on Logan's forehead.

What evidence supports Blade as being on Logan's skill level?

And why do you believe Blade would need the Muramasa Blade to win?

StiltmanFTW
1. Wolverine. Superior feats, he can tank everything Blade throws at him long enough to go for a kill.

2/3 - Blade would try to turn him into a vampire and it's a bad idea 'cause:

- vampire Logan becomes stronger and faster
- as long as there is HF in his blood, he'll heal from vampirism (and quite swiftly as seen in Gischler's run), so stake to the heart is not gonna end him.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
What evidence supports Blade as being on Logan's skill level?

And why do you believe Blade would need the Muramasa Blade to win?

King was joking. Y'see, Romulus knocked out Logan with the hilt of muramasa blade, typical wtf moment from Way's run.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Wolverine. Superior feats, he can tank everything Blade throws at him long enough to go for a kill.

The proof of his feats being superior?



Wasn't that tactic what helped attribute that the fight between Wolverine and Blade was poorly written when S.H.I.E.L.D. sent him to hunt Logan down?





I remember reading that. Was kind of stupid. big grin

And so people aren't thinking I'm just being contrary or "stupid", I'm just beating around the bush until people start posting Blade and Wolverine feats so they can be definitively stacked against one another. It helps prove the outcome of a fight more succinctly then just saying "He wins because I say he's better".

Harbinger
Why would prep benefit Blade here? IOW, what prep feats does he have under his belt to suggest that he beats Logan if given time?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
The proof of his feats being superior?

They are both low superhuman, but Wolverine's has had much more appearances and thus better feats.

Let's look at strength ones for example. Logan broke from Ursa Major's hold, was swimming and climbing with a piano attached to him, used a tree as a club, kept the freight car from separating from the rest of the train, a pickup truck didn't even knock him on his ass (apparently he had to be bracing prior to getting hit)...

Is there a Blade feat that can be compared with those? I think not, but I'll copy and paste the post from his respect thread anyway.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here are some feats of strength from Blade:

Rips the head off of a vampire with one hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/th_BHR1.jpg

Cracks the skull of a Mindless One with a punch:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/th_Bladeadamantiumodachi.jpg

Throws a knife with enough force to knock a vampire off of Spider-Man who was strong enough to hold him down like a baby:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg

Holds the massive vampire demon god the Reaper over his head:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladeliftreaper.jpg

Easily shoves a large vampire called Whiteworm quite a distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthWiz.jpg

Casually rips open a set of metal elevator doors bending them in the process:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladeadamantiumodachi2.jpg

Burrows his way to the surface with his hands from a underground cave:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladedigginBlade2.jpg

One handed throws a vampire across a bar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthTOD1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthTOD1-2.jpg

Easily tears a metal door from the hinges:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladejumps2.jpg

Again, with one hand Blade tosses a vampire over a high security fence:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladestrength-1.jpg

Breaks the coils of Deacon Frost by breaking his arms apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebreaks.jpg

Breaks the back of a vampire assasin:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebeakingback.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebeakingback2.jpg

With a injured arm tosses a vampire straight into the air then easily snaps a stone sword and kills her on her way down:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthSOF.jpg

Breaks out of Deacon Frost's grip and stakes his ass:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladeandFrost2.jpg

After getting shot Blade kicks down a metal door and bends it from the force of the kick:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladekicks.jpg

Blade knocks down and bends another fairly thick metal door:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthSOF2.jpg

Holds a thug by the throat effortlessly in the air by one hand with his arm outstretched:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrenthNS17.jpg

Again single handedly holds a vampire with his arm outstretched off a rooftop with ease(during WWII):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladedracula.jpg

Blade overpowers two MI:13 agents who were trying to restrain him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Speed/Bladejumps.jpg

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Wasn't that tactic what helped attribute that the fight between Wolverine and Blade was poorly written when S.H.I.E.L.D. sent him to hunt Logan down?

Yeah, but what else would Blade do with prep? He seems to believe it would work on Logan.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I remember reading that. Was kind of stupid. big grin

And so people aren't thinking I'm just being contrary or "stupid", I'm just beating around the bush until people start posting Blade and Wolverine feats so they can be definitively stacked against one another. It helps prove the outcome of a fight more succinctly then just saying "He wins because I say he's better".

Yes, I can see what you're doing here. You're right of course, just don't expect many responses 'cause a) it's been done to the death b) KMC is unfamiliar with Eric Brooks stick out tongue

Mr.Mxyzptlk
The most impressive of those strength feats were the ones concerning Spider-man. Do we know exactly how physically strong that vampire was, because Spider-man clearly outclasses any vampires (even Varnae) by a large margin.

But Wolverine most certainly has the better strength feats, especially breaking free from being grappled by a Class 15 character.



Not exactly sure. As said, I'm playing more a facilitator role then a debater for either side.




It is a shame that people don't bother to learn characters' names. laughing

And I have come across multiple Blade v. Wolverine threads but all of them were more or less what I am avoiding with this thread. A lot of claims and opinions but no hard evidence.


So, moving on: We've proved that Wolverine has the strength advantage over Blade, but what about combat skill, speed and reflexes and durability?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
The most impressive of those strength feats were the ones concerning Spider-man. Do we know exactly how physically strong that vampire was, because Spider-man clearly outclasses any vampires (even Varnae) by a large margin.

No idea.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Not exactly sure. As said, I'm playing more a facilitator role then a debater for either side.

OK. Anti-vampire weaponry won't work well on Logan, explosives (not sure if it's Blade's style) could slow him down but that's all.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
It is a shame that people don't bother to learn characters' names. laughing

And I have come across multiple Blade v. Wolverine threads but all of them were more or less what I am avoiding with this thread. A lot of claims and opinions but no hard evidence.


So, moving on: We've proved that Wolverine has the strength advantage over Blade, but what about combat skill, speed and reflexes and durability?

I see.

Ize19 wrote a very nice post concerning Logan's skill a year ago. I'll just quote him. Wolverine has the skill advantage, no doubt.

Originally posted by Ize19
Okay, can we put this notion that Wolverine is not a top tier fighter to rest now? I mean, honestly, it really does get tiring seeing that posted again and again. Listen, if you haven't seen enough to make you believe that Wolverine is a Top Tier martial artist, then how about I show you he is ?

Okay, so your main worry is that Wolverine's physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have, correct? Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6130/xmench10221.th.jpg

Here he goes up against 5000 Hand ninja, along with Elektra (who's been edited out, but definitely did her fair share,) and decimates them, without getting scratched:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1699/wolverinev2ch02910.th.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1070/wolverinev2ch02911.th.jpg http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7361/wolverinev2ch0291718.th.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5272/wolverinev2ch02919.th.jpg

If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2465/wolverinev2ch02006.th.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1659/wolverinev2ch02007.th.jpg http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2093/wolverinev2ch02008.th.jpg

Here Wolverine takes on both Shogun and Azrael, one having, according to Wolverine:

"move like the Hand, and speed like the Gorgon"
http://yfrog.com/6wwolverinev2ch05727j

And the other being the thousands of years old Angel of Death. Wolverine deals with both handily:

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch06123j
http://yfrog.com/9gwolverinev2ch06125j
http://yfrog.com/1awolverinev2ch06127j

Here Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):

http://img263.imageshack.us/i/ironfistandwolverine041.jpg/

But of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scansof Ogun, Shingen, Stick, Shang Chi, Daredevil, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.

In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."

http://yfrog.com/0ywolverinels0117j

It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":

http://img299.imageshack.us/i/mcpch11408.jpg/

We see him put that knowledge to use here, against a brick in another dimension:

http://yfrog.com/1rloganpotw39j

And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):

http://yfrog.com/eswoch0041213j

And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":

http://yfrog.com/69wolverinemdch0210j
http://yfrog.com/08wolverinemdch0212j
(The actual feat)http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinemd041617j

You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch00306j
http://yfrog.com/j9uxmch39714j
http://yfrog.com/3vuxmch22813j
http://yfrog.com/0cuxmch17313j

Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:

http://yfrog.com/emwolverinev2ch03917j
http://yfrog.com/0juxmch15211j
http://yfrog.com/6wuxmch27205j

Wolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:

http://yfrog.com/jkwolverinev1ch1520708j
http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinev2ch0092021j
http://yfrog.com/bgwolverinev2ch02008j

Oh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:

http://yfrog.com/j9wolverinev1ch12706j
http://yfrog.com/b9wolverinev1ch12707j
http://yfrog.com/2pwolverinev1ch12708j

Honestly, I don't know what more the guy has to do to prove his martial arts ability to you, but if there is anything, let me know, cause he definitely has more. Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to go on the forums again without people constantly trying to downgrade Wolverine's skills, just because he's a mutant.

And here's the link to Blade's thread (there's a skill section there):

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532484.html

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There's also this:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladekillsMCP.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7751/wls4pg20.jpg (Wolverine is in a wounded state, having just defeated Shingen)

100 different ways to kill > 26

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It's even more obvious which character is more durable out of the two... Wolverine heals extremely fast, has ridiculous damage soak... Blade just doesn't operate on that level. I think it's common knowledge.

Will do speed/reflexes later.

Harbinger
Didn't Logan do some crazy shit like beat Shang Chi in four moves, too?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Harbinger
Didn't Logan do some crazy shit like beat Shang Chi in four moves, too?

Yep.

His savagery has not bred undiscipline. For a westerner, his focus and control rivals that of a samurai! Rarely have I seen the like!

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/284/shangchi2af8.th.jpg http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2512/shangchi3eu5.th.jpg
props to jinzin

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Looking at his respect thread, it doesn't look like Blade has even ever fought any real Martial artists of any merit.

StiltmanFTW
Exactly. Blade has his own corner in the Marvel Universe, we haven't got a chance to see how he would perform against the likes of Daredevil or Shang-Chi.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
While it is an easy assumption Wolverine wins in Durability and Healing Factor, could we please still address it?

It's become a point of contention for the reason behind me making this thread.

StiltmanFTW
About speed. Spider-Man initially thought Logan was faster than him, mistook Daken's vanishing trick that he accomplishes thanks to his pheromones for Wolverine-lv speed... we know Logan is faster than Thor and Namor...

Blade and Logan are much closer in this department than in others, granted. But Logan has more showings and replicated or even outperformed most of Blade's feats, if not all.

Wolverine's speed and reflexes:

1. Respect thread p1, speed section

2. Respect thread p18, last posts by jinzin

3. More stuff in the thread that needs to be organized... there was a scan of Wolverine cutting Cyclops' knife faster than he could see, preventing him from killing a deer. In the The Best There Is he moved faster than a mini-rocket.

4. Nice compilation here by srank:




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Blade:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532484.html (2nd post)


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Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
While it is an easy assumption Wolverine wins in Durability and Healing Factor, could we please still address it?

It's become a point of contention for the reason behind me making this thread.

OK, sure.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Healing and durability feats.


Standing in a blaze with ease:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladefire.jpg

Wolverine waded through Mandarin's flame ring.



http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2413/50samuraithrowdown4av8.th.jpg



http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7317/wolv900011.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2268/wolv900012.th.jpg



1. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_007.jpg
2. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_010.jpg
3. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_011.jpg
4. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_012.jpg



http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/u_11_014-015.jpg



http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1826/damagecontroloh8.th.jpg http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8411/damagecontrol1iv5.th.jpg



http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7962/acc30015.th.jpg http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/832/acc30016.th.jpg




http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/345/imperialandblastjl7.th.jpg



I can't get him to stop smiling.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2995/781531114956215oa1.th.jpg

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Great durability scans Stilt!

Got any equally impressive Healing feats for the boys back home?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
I felt it was prudent to post something that is being used by the pro-Blade side as advantage for him over Wolverine.


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/Drewskinnys/wolverine_owned02.jpg?t=1310864586

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Great durability scans Stilt!

Got any equally impressive Healing feats for the boys back home?

Thanks smile With Wolverine it's mostly about the healing and damage soak. It may seem he has a brick-like durability, but in reality he just heals crushed organs (for example from Class 100 attacks) almost instantly. Adamantium helps sure, but it doesn't work like Cap's shield.

Anyway, here's another nice example of battlefield regen:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6054/wolverine65dcp010.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4389/wolverine65dcp012.th.jpg http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7501/wolverine65dcp014.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7922/wolverine65dcp015.th.jpg

Regenerating from getting reduced to the skeleton, nuked... plus chopper feat (since I don't have the scans of the Mandarin one it has to suffice):

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine gets blasted by a plasma weapon that reduces him to an admantium skeleton, the next panel he's shown in he's already covered in flesh, and after a few more short minutes he's nearly fully healed:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9547/thesuitwf0.jpg
2. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4983/thesuit2kp9.jpg
3. http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1226/thesuit3jb9.jpg

Almost immediately after that he gets nuked at ground zero; He heals a few hours later and his reaction is priceless:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4433/89935364mk5.png
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4074/n2cv4.png
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2495/n3xw2.png
4. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5007/n4hp0.png
5. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4788/n5oj4.png
6. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9495/n6of1.png

(*repeat*)Wolverine attacks an apache helicopter head on, whethers the explosion and walks out of the inferno like it's nothing:
1. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7672/wolverine1616wb6la1.jpg
2. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1927/wolverine1617zl9wj2.jpg

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I felt it was prudent to post something that is being used by the pro-Blade side as advantage for him over Wolverine.


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/Drewskinnys/wolverine_owned02.jpg?t=1310864586

Heh.

Scalphunter scan - Wolverine was preoccupied, giving orders and fighting. Here he faces Blade alone. It's PIS anyway, there is a bone behind the eye that is laced with adamantium. Sphenoid bone.

Deadpool scan - Logan lost on purpose as that was his plan.

Last two scans from "Get Mystique" arc involve Logan with severely taxed HF.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Nice Healing feats too.

The cropped collage was just being used that head shots are an effective tactic at flooring Wolverine, if temporarily.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Nice Healing feats too.

The cropped collage was just being used that head shots are an effective tactic at flooring Wolverine, if temporarily.

Ty.

Regular headshots are ineffective. He got shot in the brain. Blade won't be able to do that in the PISless forum fight with no outside help (Scalp), prepping the battlefield (DP) or other factors like Wolverine fighting while starved, dehydrated and exhausted.

Trackz
1. Wolverine 6-7/10
2. Blade
3. Blade

The writer said that Blade and Wolverine were equals and wanted Blade to come out slightly on top, however we now know it's canon that Wolverine can fight off a vampire infection (we know it does paralyze him though and it takes a couple of seconds) however, Blade also knows that Wolverine can fight it off (he was there when Wolverine fought it off) Blade however has an unknown number of magical artifacts (his magical bolo which can apparently paralyze anything it wraps around and his wordsword which hurt a duke of hell)

feat wise they're pretty equal Wolverine just has more feats, the problem is Blade hasn't been featured in nearly enough comics to really know his levels in regards to 616, which sucks because Mark Millar was able to fix Blade in the ultimate universe in about 12 issues.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ty.

Regular headshots are ineffective. He got shot in the brain. Blade won't be able to do that in the PISless forum fight with no outside help (Scalp), prepping the battlefield (DP) or other factors like Wolverine fighting while starved, dehydrated and exhausted. Sabretooth has bled out Wolverine plenty of times and Blade has the ranged advantage. Also, Wolverine's healing factor should ALWAYS be taxed based on all the missions and such he goes on from day-to-day. I'm still waiting for Guggenheims Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot to come out so we can have more to evidence.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine waded through Mandarin's flame ring.



http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2413/50samuraithrowdown4av8.th.jpg



http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7317/wolv900011.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2268/wolv900012.th.jpg



1. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_007.jpg
2. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_010.jpg
3. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_011.jpg
4. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_012.jpg



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I can't get him to stop smiling.

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I mean this shows how equal they are, Wolverine's just has more feats that aren't necessarily better than Blade's, he just has nothing to compare them to.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They are both low superhuman, but Wolverine's has had much more appearances and thus better feats.

Let's look at strength ones for example. Logan broke from Ursa Major's hold, was swimming and climbing with a piano attached to him, used a tree as a club, kept the freight car from separating from the rest of the train, a pickup truck didn't even knock him on his ass (apparently he had to be bracing prior to getting hit)...

Is there a Blade feat that can be compared with those? I think not, but I'll copy and paste the post from his respect thread anyway.





Yeah, but what else would Blade do with prep? He seems to believe it would work on Logan.



Yes, I can see what you're doing here. You're right of course, just don't expect many responses 'cause a) it's been done to the death b) KMC is unfamiliar with Eric Brooks stick out tongue

Blade has magical weapons, and Blade was there when Wolverine healed from the vampire bite.

Blade has overpowered the Reaper (a giant vampire-god that destroyed Patriot (who had been upgraded to levels above Captain America) and a couple of other feats, but as you said Wolverine just has more feats so not all of them can be compared.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
Sabretooth has bled out Wolverine plenty of times and Blade has the ranged advantage. Also, Wolverine's healing factor should ALWAYS be taxed based on all the missions and such he goes on from day-to-day. I'm still waiting for Guggenheims Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot to come out so we can have more to evidence.

Like when? Blade ain't no Sabretooth and it's usually a combo of blunt force trauma and piercing damage. Blade is what, 10 times weaker than Sabretooth?

On-panel taxation can't be ignored stick out tongue

Haven't heard of it. When will it be released?

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean this shows how equal they are, Wolverine's just has more feats that aren't necessarily better than Blade's, he just has nothing to compare them to.

Are you kidding me? Starbolt feat is debatable I guess (we'd have to compare his and Lilin blast power and all), but everything else is more impressive. Could have always posted Logan wading through Bastion's continuous blasts.

Wolverine takes hundreds of bullets, sword stabs to both vital and non-vital areas, tanks Wonder Man's haymaker and Spider-Man's barrage of punches... they're not equal in this department, far from it.

Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has magical weapons, and Blade was there when Wolverine healed from the vampire bite.

Blade has overpowered the Reaper (a giant vampire-god that destroyed Patriot (who had been upgraded to levels above Captain America) and a couple of other feats, but as you said Wolverine just has more feats so not all of them can be compared.

Magical weapons... that work on vampires. We have yet to see if anyone else would be affected by them.

Reaper seemed to be weakened by sunlight. Do we know how much he weighs anyway? That'd be helpful.

They are in the same range (low superhuman), Wolverine is stronger according to feats and Blade is stronger according to handbooks.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like when? Blade ain't no Sabretooth and it's usually a combo of blunt force trauma and piercing damage. Blade is what, 10 times weaker than Sabretooth?

On-panel taxation can't be ignored stick out tongue

Haven't heard of it. When will it be released?



Are you kidding me? Starbolt feat is debatable I guess (we'd have to compare his and Lilin blast power and all), but everything else is more impressive. Could have always posted Logan wading through Bastion's continuous blasts.

Wolverine takes hundreds of bullets, sword stabs to both vital and non-vital areas, tanks Wonder Man's haymaker and Spider-Man's barrage of punches... they're not equal in this department, far from it.



Magical weapons... that work on vampires. We have yet to see if anyone else would be affected by them.

Reaper seemed to be weakened by sunlight. Do we know how much he weighs anyway? That'd be helpful.

They are in the same range (low superhuman), Wolverine is stronger according to feats and Blade is stronger according to handbooks.

1. The arc when Wolverine killed Sabretooth, Wolverine bled out a couple of times. But why can't we ignore on-panel taxation like on a daily basis Wolverine fighting an assortment of foes and working his healing factor, there are obviously things that weaken it, but his healing really does depend on the writer. I e-mailed Guggenheim about the Wolverine vs. Blade fight a while ago, he confirmed that his third Blade project was a Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot. Tom Brevoort confirmed this on his Formspring.

2. I mean Blade tanked a blast that shot Captain Britain out of the country, and he withstood the explosion of a Nuclear Facility. I do agree that Wolverine is more durable though which is why I gave him the 6-7 in a straight fight.

3. Well for one I just referenced a weapon that worked on a Duke of Hell, and Dr. Nemesis analyzed his magical bolo and couldn't explain why it worked, Vampires don't have any magical weaknesses that humans dont have outside of the wooden stake to the heart, silver, and sunlight. So you really can't assume something that works on them wouldn't work on anyone else. The point however is Blade has an assortment of resources to draw upon so he would most like win fights 2-3 more often than not. Sunlight doesn't weaken vampires it just burns them up, He was trying to crawl away for his life and Blade restrained him.

The reason I've been saying feats dont prove wolverine to be superior is cause they don't, Blade doesn't have enough feats to compare since Wolverine has been in ten times as many issues as him (literally) any opinion that Blade is weaker in any facet would be an assumption, however it hasn't been proved.

Wolverine's performance against vampires hasn't been as impressive as Blades, however we can attribute this to Blade's expertise (wolverine really has no way to kill a vampire other than decapitation)

Uriel005
Anyone have scans of Wolverine punking Silver Samurai in a sword fight.

Marvelknight
Wolverine feats are better, clearly. And it isn't about Logan having more feats. For every feat shown in favor of Blade, StiltmanFTW posted scans showing Wolverine doing the same but to a much higher degree... It easy to see they're HF isn't on the same level.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wolverine feats are better, clearly. And it isn't about Logan having more feats. For every feat shown in favor of Blade, StiltmanFTW posted scans showing Wolverine doing the same but to a much higher degree... It easy to see they're HF isn't on the same level. which is why I gave him the win 6-7/10 in a straight fight, cause of his durability.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
which is why I gave him the win 6-7/10 in a straight fight, cause of his durability.

What about the factor of Wolverine going berserk? I think he could get more than 6/10. That's my opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. But most can't deal with Wolverine when he gos berserk.

srankmissingnin
Wolverine and Blade have the same basic power and skill set... only Wolverine is several levels above Blade in virtually every way. This is essentially as close as you can get to Batman vs Robin (Damian), involving Wolverine. Simple fact, Blade doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell against Wolverine, Logan would beat his ass as easily as he does Shatterstar, or you know... as easily has he already beat Blade.

The only way Blade could conceivably win is if we pretend that his magical weapons will have any effect at all on Wolverine... which is a stretch. As far as I know Wolverine doesn't have any magical weaknesses, specifically to holy, blessed and religious artifacts.

juggernaut74
Most people don't even know Blade's real name is Eric Brooks, this is funny sh!t.

Wolverine wins. He's designed to not to loose to street levels.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
What about the factor of Wolverine going berserk? I think he could get more than 6/10. That's my opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. But most can't deal with Wolverine when he gos berserk. When Blade prep it wouldn't make that much of a difference in my opinion

Harbinger
Originally posted by Harbinger
Why would prep benefit Blade here? IOW, what prep feats does he have under his belt to suggest that he beats Logan if given time? To reiterate.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
When Blade prep it wouldn't make that much of a difference in my opinion

What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time. I mean sabretooth alone has put him down easily while he was going berserk, but sabretooth is a beast. Writers always seem to disagree with this, some people show Wolverine performing better when he keeps a level head. Blade has access to all the magical weapons he could desire due to being a part of MI:13, the bolo alone that he showed in X-men which paralyzed the vampire (That wolverine and colossus were having trouble catching) would probably work well against Logan. Fighting Wolverine is always hard cause you have to get around the healing factor, but it's doable, especially with MI:13's type of prep.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
1. The arc when Wolverine killed Sabretooth, Wolverine bled out a couple of times. But why can't we ignore on-panel taxation like on a daily basis Wolverine fighting an assortment of foes and working his healing factor, there are obviously things that weaken it, but his healing really does depend on the writer. I e-mailed Guggenheim about the Wolverine vs. Blade fight a while ago, he confirmed that his third Blade project was a Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot. Tom Brevoort confirmed this on his Formspring.

No, he didn't. Sabretooth either a) pulled out his spine of his neck b) ripped his heart out c) KO'd him with a punch after slashing his throat, headbutt and gouging his eyes.

Blade can't claw his way to get a hold of Wolverine's spine and is not strong enough anyway. He can stab Wolverine in the heart, but that's not really the same as ripping it out. And there are a few instances when he recovered from it quickly/fought without that organ.

When it says on panel Logan doesn't have much fight in him left or is slowed down/in terrible shape (his stats depend on HF) or can't even heal to 100% because of the taxation, that can't be ignored.

Good, I just hope they'll get someone else than Howard Chaykin for the art.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. I mean Blade tanked a blast that shot Captain Britain out of the country, and he withstood the explosion of a Nuclear Facility. I do agree that Wolverine is more durable though which is why I gave him the 6-7 in a straight fight.

I see.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. Well for one I just referenced a weapon that worked on a Duke of Hell, and Dr. Nemesis analyzed his magical bolo and couldn't explain why it worked, Vampires don't have any magical weaknesses that humans dont have outside of the wooden stake to the heart, silver, and sunlight. So you really can't assume something that works on them wouldn't work on anyone else. The point however is Blade has an assortment of resources to draw upon so he would most like win fights 2-3 more often than not. Sunlight doesn't weaken vampires it just burns them up, He was trying to crawl away for his life and Blade restrained him.

What about garlic? stick out tongue

He was hurt and dying, that feat is far from legit. Is Wolverine a legitimate Class 5+++ now because he "overpowered" amped Scarecrow?

Originally posted by Trackz
The reason I've been saying feats dont prove wolverine to be superior is cause they don't, Blade doesn't have enough feats to compare since Wolverine has been in ten times as many issues as him (literally) any opinion that Blade is weaker in any facet would be an assumption, however it hasn't been proved.

We work with what we got. Until we get more feats from Blade or some direct comparisons between two characters (well we already have one that doesn't help Blade here), Wolverine is the winner.

Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine's performance against vampires hasn't been as impressive as Blades, however we can attribute this to Blade's expertise (wolverine really has no way to kill a vampire other than decapitation)

Logan decimated Ba'al's vamps and in Gischler's run he didn't even need his healing factor in one issue.

Granted, Blade is all about vampire slaying, so he wins here.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by Marvelknight
What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time. Maybe Blade can get Captain America to do him in?Originally posted by Trackz
I mean sabretooth alone has put him down easily while he was going berserk, but sabretooth is a beast. Writers always seem to disagree with this, some people show Wolverine performing better when he keeps a level head. Blade has access to all the magical weapons he could desire due to being a part of MI:13, the bolo alone that he showed in X-men which paralyzed the vampire (That wolverine and colossus were having trouble catching) would probably work well against Logan. Fighting Wolverine is always hard cause you have to get around the healing factor, but it's doable, especially with MI:13's type of prep. That'd be funny seeing Logan tied up in those bolas.

Trackz
Originally posted by Harbinger
To reiterate. He pretty much has magical weapons (as of late) that he pulls out of nowhere. In MI:13 he pulled out a magic sword that was the bane of any demon and used it to cut a duke of hell in half (the only one on the team other than Captain Britain who could harm it). In X-Men he pulls out a magic bolo that paralyzes anything it wraps around (Dr. Nemesis analyzed it and couldn't figure out how it worked) Blade basically enjoys finding new ways to kill his enemies and he has access to some of britain greatest minds too, not to mention Dr. Strange is a long time ally. With prep time against Wolverine in the first fight he brought the vampire vial, according to Guggenheim at the time it would have worked and it secured Blade an edge, however Gischler made it canon that Wolverine can fight off the infection however it paralyzes him and puts him in a great deal of pain.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Uriel005
Anyone have scans of Wolverine punking Silver Samurai in a sword fight.

I don't wanna take away from the man's pride by tellin' 'im that I'd chosen the least painful of the six possible strikes he'd left himself open to (...)

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juggernaut74
Originally posted by Trackz
He pretty much has magical weapons (as of late) that he pulls out of nowhere. In MI:13 he pulled out a magic sword that was the bane of any demon and used it to cut a duke of hell in half (the only one on the team other than Captain Britain who could harm it). In X-Men he pulls out a magic bolo that paralyzes anything it wraps around (Dr. Nemesis analyzed it and couldn't figure out how it worked) Blade basically enjoys finding new ways to kill his enemies and he has access to some of britain greatest minds too, not to mention Dr. Strange is a long time ally. With prep time against Wolverine in the first fight he brought the vampire vial, according to Guggenheim at the time it would have worked and it secured Blade an edge, however Gischler made it canon that Wolverine can fight off the infection however it paralyzes him and puts him in a great deal of pain. Writers always seem to have different takes on characters. Some writers have Wolverine put down by a bullet to the brain and others have him fried to the bone and up and walking like it's just a walk in the park.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't wanna take away from the man's pride by tellin' 'im that I'd chosen the least painful of the six possible strikes he'd left himself open to (...)

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Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he didn't. Sabretooth either a) pulled out his spine of his neck b) ripped his heart out c) KO'd him with a punch after slashing his throat, headbutt and gouging his eyes.

Blade can't claw his way to get a hold of Wolverine's spine and is not strong enough anyway. He can stab Wolverine in the heart, but that's not really the same as ripping it out. And there are a few instances when he recovered from it quickly/fought without that organ.

When it says on panel Logan doesn't have much fight in him left or is slowed down/in terrible shape (his stats depend on HF) or can't even heal to 100% because of the taxation, that can't be ignored.

Good, I just hope they'll get someone else than Howard Chaykin for the art.



I see.



What about garlic? stick out tongue

He was hurt and dying, that feat is far from legit. Is Wolverine a legitimate Class 5+++ now because he "overpowered" amped Scarecrow?



We work with what we got. Until we get more feats from Blade or some direct comparisons between two characters (well we already have one that doesn't help Blade here), Wolverine is the winner.



Logan decimated Ba'al's vamps and in Gischler's run he didn't even need his healing factor in one issue.

Granted, Blade is all about vampire slaying, so he wins here. I'm too lazy to do the multiple quotes thing.

1. Wolverine did say he was bleeding out though, no? X-23 bled him out too (by throwing dirt in his wounds, which seemed silly) apparently Wolverines healing factor doesn't work as well if you have claws.

That isn't often said as much as it's assumed by the fans I can think of several instances of him getting KO'd that would rather be forgotten.

2. He's a vampire, we'd already seen a much weaker vampire take Wolverine's claws to the chest smiling, the carniputra or however it's spelled are pretty much better in every way and were flying around too fast for Wolverine and Colossus to catch. Not only that the vampire was flying through the air when the bolo wrapped around it's feet, and it just dropped.

3. What character do we have? I can think of Dracula and Spiderman, and people don't like to use spiderman cause he was vamped out for each fight but Blade looked better in each Spiderman fight (especially since he was weakened for the second one)

4. Where didn't he need his healing? I remember him fighting those blue ones (that were admitted fodder for him) and almost getting drowned.

Regardless I agree that Wolverine wins the straight fight, it's the fights with prep I believe he wins no doubt.

Trackz
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Writers always seem to have different takes on characters. Some writers have Wolverine put down by a bullet to the brain and others have him fried to the bone and up and walking like it's just a walk in the park.

the forum really should do an average of Wolverine's feats cause in Way's run Wolverine was KO'd a lot (Daken knocked him out with one claw to the chest, Romulus KO'd by boomranging a sword hilt into his head, and a couple of child soldiers KO'd him witha barrage of bullets)

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
I mean sabretooth alone has put him down easily while he was going berserk, but sabretooth is a beast. Writers always seem to disagree with this, some people show Wolverine performing better when he keeps a level head. Blade has access to all the magical weapons he could desire due to being a part of MI:13, the bolo alone that he showed in X-men which paralyzed the vampire (That wolverine and colossus were having trouble catching) would probably work well against Logan. Fighting Wolverine is always hard cause you have to get around the healing factor, but it's doable, especially with MI:13's type of prep.

Sabretooth Beat Logan easy one time in their first fight. Other battles like in Uncanny X-Men #213, they're pretty equal. Only Sabretooth has the slight speed and strength advantage.

As for magic weaponry. Unless Blade has something to greatly slow down Logan's HF. Prep with those weapons won't matter. Strike Force X had prep against Logan as well, along with leaser claws and HF. Logan still took down all 12 of them within 5 days using stealth and gorilla warfare tactics.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Sabretooth Beat Logan easy one time in their first fight. Other battles like in Uncanny X-Men #213, they're pretty equal. Only Sabretooth has the slight speed and strength advantage.

As for magic weaponry. Unless Blade has something to greatly slow down Logan's HF. Prep with those weapons won't matter. Strike Force X had prep against Logan as well, along with leaser claws and HF. Logan still took down all 12 of them within 5 days using stealth and gorilla warfare tactics.

I'm talking about Sabretooths last arc in which he put Wolverine down every time.

He's doesn't need to greatly slow down the healing, just tax it, the bolo wrapped around the legs, maybe fire vampire blood into him, lets his healing war with that while he gets peppered full of bullets, Blade has a ranged advantage. He also has good durability himself so he can take a couple of slashes or stabs from Wolverine. Strike Force X could have easily killed Wolverine head-to-head, which is the scenario that we're talking about now. Not only that, the experience gap between Wolverine and Blade isn't as huge as it was between Wolverine and Strike Force.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
I'm too lazy to do the multiple quotes thing.

No problem.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Wolverine did say he was bleeding out though, no? X-23 bled him out too (by throwing dirt in his wounds, which seemed silly) apparently Wolverines healing factor doesn't work as well if you have claws.

He did, but the bleeding would stop, it was a combo-to-ko that took him out. Only reason he got stomped like that was 'cause he was shocked by Creed's new smell and tried to make him talk.

Dirt part was silly, yes. Even if it was a viable tactic though, it's a featureless environment here.

Originally posted by Trackz
That isn't often said as much as it's assumed by the fans I can think of several instances of him getting KO'd that would rather be forgotten.

It doesn't need to be. We were shown how his HF works, that's enough.

Feel free to name them. In most "embarassing" ones Wolverine went through hell prior to the knockout.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. He's a vampire, we'd already seen a much weaker vampire take Wolverine's claws to the chest smiling, the carniputra or however it's spelled are pretty much better in every way and were flying around too fast for Wolverine and Colossus to catch. Not only that the vampire was flying through the air when the bolo wrapped around it's feet, and it just dropped.

To the heart. You think Blade would take that with no problem, too? Why Drac avoided stabbing him in a vital area then?

Originally posted by Trackz
3. What character do we have? I can think of Dracula and Spiderman, and people don't like to use spiderman cause he was vamped out for each fight but Blade looked better in each Spiderman fight (especially since he was weakened for the second one)

Spiderman should stick to fighting powerless bank robbers and leave real superhero job to professionals.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. Where didn't he need his healing? I remember him fighting those blue ones (that were admitted fodder for him) and almost getting drowned.

The vamp that tried to drown him was one of those winged ones, no? And he got one-shotted.

Originally posted by Trackz
Regardless I agree that Wolverine wins the straight fight, it's the fights with prep I believe he wins no doubt.

Wolverine has good showings against prepped characters, even when they prepped the battlefield (which is not allowed here). It would take something big to stop him, especially in scenario 3.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
I'm talking about Sabretooths last arc in which he put Wolverine down every time.

He's doesn't need to greatly slow down the healing, just tax it, the bolo wrapped around the legs, maybe fire vampire blood into him, lets his healing war with that while he gets peppered full of bullets, Blade has a ranged advantage. He also has good durability himself so he can take a couple of slashes or stabs from Wolverine. Strike Force X could have easily killed Wolverine head-to-head, which is the scenario that we're talking about now. Not only that, the experience gap between Wolverine and Blade isn't as huge as it was between Wolverine and Strike Force.
Strike Force X needs more credit.

1. They were only 12 of them. All highly trained and skilled.

2. Wolverine had to retreat into the forest, and use stealth to overcome. And it took Logan 5 days to take them down.

Have we not seen Logan take on 100 pirates in Wolverine vol 2 #1 in less time? In this very thread Wolverine is seen with Elektra taking on 5000 Hand ninjas all at once.

Strike Force X clearly, given their abilities gave Logan more trouble than most groups he's faced. But no. They wouldn't have killed Logan face to face easy. Because it didn't happen.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Strike Force X needs more credit.

1. They were only 12 of them. All highly trained and skilled.

2. Wolverine had to retreat into the forest, and use stealth to overcome. And it took Logan 5 days to take them down.

Have we not seen Logan take on 100 pirates in Wolverine vol 2 #1 in less time? In this very thread Wolverine is seen with Elektra taking on 5000 Hand ninjas all at once.

Strike Force X clearly, given their abilities gave Logan more trouble than most groups he's faced. But no. They wouldn't have killed Logan face to face easy. Because it didn't happen. I mean I don't think you can compare Pirates (essentially witless thugs) to Strike Force. Wolverine admitted that if he tried to take them all on head-to-head they would've killed him, which is why he resorted to guerilla tactics. Hand Ninja are the worst kind of fodder.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Just chiming in, it's not a feature-less environment.

I did specifically set the battleground as the city of Rio with all the amenities, tools, vehicles, etc. the city would normally have.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
the forum really should do an average of Wolverine's feats cause in Way's run Wolverine was KO'd a lot (Daken knocked him out with one claw to the chest, Romulus KO'd by boomranging a sword hilt into his head, and a couple of child soldiers KO'd him witha barrage of bullets)

Way is a joke. One time he writes Logan being able to recover from the skeleton in extremely short time or from getting nuked in a few hours, to no-sell Armor (in giant mode) smashing him on the Danger Room wall, to stay awake after getting tail-whipped twice by Fin Fang Foom who then falls with Logan on his back, other times he gets sent to sleep easily.

Anyway, in the Daken instance Wolverine prior to the stab got beaten the shit out of him by Victor Hudson who had brick-like strength level.

Romulus example is ridiculous, Wolverine was taking his superhuman strikes with no bigger problem, but a sword handle knocks him out? Lol? In his defense, his HF was working poorly after OR fight, couldn't even heal his burned arms in several hours... in New X-Men it took him a few pages to basically grow a new arm (Nova fight).

Did those kids really knock him out? Or was he playing possum? His HF works on adrenaline and he certainly didn't want to fight those kids.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
I mean I don't think you can compare Pirates (essentially witless thugs) to Strike Force. Wolverine admitted that if he tried to take them all on head-to-head they would've killed him, which is why he resorted to guerilla tactics. Hand Ninja are the worst kind of fodder.

I'm not comparing them so much as comparing the number of opponents Wolverine faced at one time and still take blows and stab wounds. I believe Strike Force X would have taxed his HF if he faced them all at once for sure but not kill him. Notice how Logan didn't go berserk. That would have made a big difference. And if there would have been a time for him to be killed it would have happened when Logan fought Nitro. But Blade is one man trying to tax Logan's HF or take with prep. I don't see it.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
I mean I don't think you can compare Pirates (essentially witless thugs) to Strike Force. Wolverine admitted that if he tried to take them all on head-to-head they would've killed him, which is why he resorted to guerilla tactics. Hand Ninja are the worst kind of fodder.

No, they're not. They have good showings against Cap, Widow, Kingpin (who got pwned), Murdock, Cage...

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Just chiming in, it's not a feature-less environment.

I did specifically set the battleground as the city of Rio with all the amenities, tools, vehicles, etc. the city would normally have.

Ah yes, I forgot, sorry stick out tongue

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No problem.



He did, but the bleeding would stop, it was a combo-to-ko that took him out. Only reason he got stomped like that was 'cause he was shocked by Creed's new smell and tried to make him talk.

Dirt part was silly, yes. Even if it was a viable tactic though, it's a featureless environment here.



It doesn't need to be. We were shown how his HF works, that's enough.

Feel free to name them. In most "embarassing" ones Wolverine went through hell prior to the knockout.



To the heart. You think Blade would take that with no problem, too? Why Drac avoided stabbing him in a vital area then?



Spiderman should stick to fighting powerless bank robbers and leave real superhero job to professionals.



The vamp that tried to drown him was one of those winged ones, no? And he got one-shotted.



Wolverine has good showings against prepped characters, even when they prepped the battlefield (which is not allowed here). It would take something big to stop him, especially in scenario 3.

1. Well I was never under the assumption that one could slash logan once and watch him bleed into unconsciousness. The point was that enough slashes and what not can put him down. If you keep him bleeding he passes out. This tactic has worked on Deadpool before too.

2. Captain America shield bashed him, FrankenCastle manhandled him, James Rogers shieldbashed him then kicked him in the head, Romulus hit him in the head with a sword hilt, Daken stabbed him in the chest with a claw, Daredevil made him fall on a sword or something silly like that, and there are more. I'm still under the assumption Wolverine's healing factor is under a strain most of the time, he rarely has down time ever because monday through wednesday he's fighting the Red Right Hand, then on Thursday he's in the Age of Apocalypse with X-force til Saturday, then he's trying to deal with the Worthy with the Avengers Sunday, but he has his own problems again next week. I don't see how his healing could ever be in top shape.

3. I do believe Blade wouldn't have that problem. Blade's powers, unlike Logans, actually run on blood - which he hadn't had since he got to England. He really was running low most of the arc even then he pulled the sword out him and was fighting like nothing had happened. Honestly Guggenheim was all over the place with Blade's powers since he was learning as he went along but he confirmed that Blade had vampiric healing. Regardless the point was that the bolo has the power to paralyze those it's around.

4. I forgot Peter's your favorite character

5. I think it was an Atlantean vampire , Wolverine somehow stabbed and scared it off, but then again Xarus' plan the whole time was to have Jubilee bite Logan.

6. Deadpool put him down, who else has he fought prepped? I'm drawing a blank right now. Even if Blade shoots vampire blood into him which paralyzes him Blade just shoots a bullet in his head, if Wolverine turns into a vampire, even for a second, that's instant death since they're not fighting at night.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Way is a joke. One time he writes Logan being able to recover from the skeleton in extremely short time or from getting nuked in a few hours, to no-sell Armor (in giant mode) smashing him on the Danger Room wall, to stay awake after getting tail-whipped twice by Fin Fang Foom who then falls with Logan on his back, other times he gets sent to sleep easily.

Anyway, in the Daken instance Wolverine prior to the stab got beaten the shit out of him by Victor Hudson who had brick-like strength level.

Romulus example is ridiculous, Wolverine was taking his superhuman strikes with no bigger problem, but a sword handle knocks him out? Lol? In his defense, his HF was working poorly after OR fight, couldn't even heal his burned arms in several hours... in New X-Men it took him a few pages to basically grow a new arm (Nova fight).

Did those kids really knock him out? Or was he playing possum? His HF works on adrenaline and he certainly didn't want to fight those kids.

My point was his healing is all over the place, and he was sneak attacked by James.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'm not comparing them so much as comparing the number of opponents Wolverine faced at one time and still take blows and stab wounds. I believe Strike Force X would have taxed his HF if he faced them all at once for sure but not kill him. Notice how Logan didn't go berserk. That would have made a big difference. And if there would have been a time for him to be killed it would have happened when Logan fought Nitro. But Blade is one man trying to tax Logan's HF or take with prep. I don't see it. Wolverine on-panel was told he would've been killed, and berserk doesn't always help him, against strike force he probably would've been put down fast. I don't think they could've killed him but that's what the writer wrote.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, they're not. They have good showings against Cap, Widow, Kingpin (who got pwned), Murdock, Cage...



Ah yes, I forgot, sorry stick out tongue

And FrankenCastle destroyed an army of them, Daredevil has put down his fair share. For an army of immortal zombie ninjas, their performances have been mediocre.

juggernaut74
How would anime Blade do against anime Wolverine?

Trackz
Originally posted by juggernaut74
How would anime Blade do against anime Wolverine? Loeb said they would fight somewhere down the line

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
1. Well I was never under the assumption that one could slash logan once and watch him bleed into unconsciousness. The point was that enough slashes and what not can put him down. If you keep him bleeding he passes out. This tactic has worked on Deadpool before too.

That's correct, but does Blade have what it takes? Looking at their fight and feats, no.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. Captain America shield bashed him, FrankenCastle manhandled him, James Rogers shieldbashed him then kicked him in the head, Romulus hit him in the head with a sword hilt, Daken stabbed him in the chest with a claw, Daredevil made him fall on a sword or something silly like that, and there are more. I'm still under the assumption Wolverine's healing factor is under a strain most of the time, he rarely has down time ever because monday through wednesday he's fighting the Red Right Hand, then on Thursday he's in the Age of Apocalypse with X-force til Saturday, then he's trying to deal with the Worthy with the Avengers Sunday, but he has his own problems again next week. I don't see how his healing could ever be in top shape.

Wolverine took blasts from Rachel Phoenix and Cyke before that. He hasn't even healed from Scott one when Cap hit him. "Never been such a mess".

Getting 4shotted by Bloodgem Frankencastle ain't that bad. But the difference between Remender's and Way's HFs is enormous, as shown in that cross. Daken with no adamantium skeleton and inferior healing factor took loads of punishment from Frank and kept coming.

It wasn't little Cap that kicked him in the head, I think.

He made him fall on a sword, yes, but it didn't do much. Wolverine didn't know how much time he had before HYDRA regained control over his mind (as he stated), that's why he didn't pull the thing out.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. I do believe Blade wouldn't have that problem. Blade's powers, unlike Logans, actually run on blood - which he hadn't had since he got to England. He really was running low most of the arc even then he pulled the sword out him and was fighting like nothing had happened. Honestly Guggenheim was all over the place with Blade's powers since he was learning as he went along but he confirmed that Blade had vampiric healing. Regardless the point was that the bolo has the power to paralyze those it's around.

Well, that explains.

It doesn't have the power to resist being cut though stick out tongue

Originally posted by Trackz
4. I forgot Peter's your favorite character

I read Remender's Venom big grin Hell, even Flash, his most hardcore in-universe fanboy starts to hate him now. Win.

Originally posted by Trackz
5. I think it was an Atlantean vampire , Wolverine somehow stabbed and scared it off, but then again Xarus' plan the whole time was to have Jubilee bite Logan.

I need to re-read it. Xarus also called Wolverine one of the most powerful X-Men wink

Originally posted by Trackz
6. Deadpool put him down, who else has he fought prepped? I'm drawing a blank right now. Even if Blade shoots vampire blood into him which paralyzes him Blade just shoots a bullet in his head, if Wolverine turns into a vampire, even for a second, that's instant death since they're not fighting at night.

With Deadpool it was a double-ko and Logan wanted to lose.

Winter Soldier, Mystique, Nick Fury...

I thought it took longer than a second for vamps to die from a daylight? It might not be enough to burn all the flesh away.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Chiming in again, the fight takes place at Dusk so the sun has more or less set.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's correct, but does Blade have what it takes? Looking at their fight and feats, no.



Wolverine took blasts from Rachel Phoenix and Cyke before that. He hasn't even healed from Scott one when Cap hit him. "Never been such a mess".

Getting 4shotted by Bloodgem Frankencastle ain't that bad. But the difference between Remender's and Way's HFs is enormous, as shown in that cross. Daken with no adamantium skeleton and inferior healing factor took loads of punishment from Frank and kept coming.

It wasn't little Cap that kicked him in the head, I think.

He made him fall on a sword, yes, but it didn't do much. Wolverine didn't know how much time he had before HYDRA regained control over his mind (as he stated), that's why he didn't pull the thing out.



Well, that explains.

It doesn't have the power to resist being cut though stick out tongue



I read Remender's Venom big grin Hell, even Flash, his most hardcore in-universe fanboy starts to hate him now. Win.



I need to re-read it. Xarus also called Wolverine one of the most powerful X-Men wink



With Deadpool it was a double-ko and Logan wanted to lose.

Winter Soldier, Mystique, Nick Fury...

I thought it took longer than a second for vamps to die from a daylight? It might not be enough to burn all the flesh away.

1. Blade isn't superior to Wolverine so if they went cut for cut, Wolverine would win, Blade does have the aid of his ranged weapons so he would go into a head-to-head encounter with a big of a ranged advantaged and he could definitely do some damage, I could see him taking three wins if everything goes right for him.

2. It was little cap, it was in Avengers right after they had been transported to the future, Wolverine smelled something and the shield came up and rocked him in the face and then got a kick to the face by James and he was out. But like you said his healing works on adrenaline and he was taken by surprise.

3. Wolverine could still win against a prepped Blade but not more often than not, I say the odds get flipped with Blade winning about 7/10 again Wolverine. The vampire straight dropped out of the sky as soon as the bolo came across him and he could barely stand, bolo+shot of vampire blood=wolverine paralyzed for all intents and purposes then a silver bullet if he's vampire long enough to us it, if not just tear him up while he can. That's if he doesn't figure out some other way.

4. Vampires have managed to survive the sunlight for a bit, it depends on the writer/importance of character. Fodder vamps will usually go up instantaneously, important character usually get long enough to issue a dying diatribe or get out of the sun.

Even though guggenheim is all over the place with Blade, we should really get an idea of where Blade stands in the mainstream after the Blade/Wolverine one-shots comes out, although Marvel doesn't seem to be in any rush to put it out. Blade and Wolverine should be fighting in the Marvel Anime's too. They're my two favorite characters so they'll always be even in my eyes.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine on-panel was told he would've been killed, and berserk doesn't always help him, against strike force he probably would've been put down fast. I don't think they could've killed him but that's what the writer wrote.

Wolverine has been in worse on-panel and not die. Logan's HF isn't what it was in the late 80's to mid 90's. It's better now. And yes if Wolverine goes berserk it will be over faster.

Wolverine vol 2 #22 Wolverine took out a military tank and got caught in an explosion mid leap. He states that the explosive rounds in the tank went off as the tank was destroyed. Giving Logan 100 new wounds to add to ones he already had. So it will take more than what Blade can do to get job done here.

I play Marvel vs.Capcom a lot. And I was telling someone the other day that Wolverine's moves in the game are not hyped up to new levels. That berserker berrage, Berserker Slash, and his speed dash are all very true. What Logan did to Geist in issue #23 was basically the berserker berrage without the forward dash to his opponent. Wolverine is that fast. I highly doubt Blade is landing more slashes than Logan. No way. And guns? C'mon It's Wolverine here.

I'll give Wolverine 7-8/10 here in all scenarios.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
1. Blade isn't superior to Wolverine so if they went cut for cut, Wolverine would win, Blade does have the aid of his ranged weapons so he would go into a head-to-head encounter with a big of a ranged advantaged and he could definitely do some damage, I could see him taking three wins if everything goes right for him.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. It was little cap, it was in Avengers right after they had been transported to the future, Wolverine smelled something and the shield came up and rocked him in the face and then got a kick to the face by James and he was out. But like you said his healing works on adrenaline and he was taken by surprise.

I know what issue you're referring to. I just thought for some reason that boot belonged to someone else. I'll check later to make sure.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. Wolverine could still win against a prepped Blade but not more often than not, I say the odds get flipped with Blade winning about 7/10 again Wolverine. The vampire straight dropped out of the sky as soon as the bolo came across him and he could barely stand, bolo+shot of vampire blood=wolverine paralyzed for all intents and purposes then a silver bullet if he's vampire long enough to us it, if not just tear him up while he can. That's if he doesn't figure out some other way.

I'm not convinced if that would put him down for good, I could see Logan's dead vampire body reverting back to normal and him waking up. But yeah, that would count as a forum win.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. Vampires have managed to survive the sunlight for a bit, it depends on the writer/importance of character. Fodder vamps will usually go up instantaneously, important character usually get long enough to issue a dying diatribe or get out of the sun.

Ic.

Originally posted by Trackz
Even though guggenheim is all over the place with Blade, we should really get an idea of where Blade stands in the mainstream after the Blade/Wolverine one-shots comes out, although Marvel doesn't seem to be in any rush to put it out. Blade and Wolverine should be fighting in the Marvel Anime's too. They're my two favorite characters so they'll always be even in my eyes.

Is Blade anime any good? Only checked out Wolverine one and some X-Men.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wolverine has been in worse on-panel and not die. Logan's HF isn't what it was in the late 80's to mid 90's. It's better now. And yes if Wolverine goes berserk it will be over faster.

Wolverine vol 2 #22 Wolverine took out a military tank and got caught in an explosion mid leap. He states that the explosive rounds in the tank went off as the tank was destroyed. Giving Logan 100 new wounds to add to ones he already had. So it will take more than what Blade can do to get job done here.

I play Marvel vs.Capcom a lot. And I was telling someone the other day that Wolverine's moves in the game are not hyped up to new levels. That berserker berrage, Berserker Slash, and his speed dash are all very true. What Logan did to Geist in issue #23 was basically the berserker berrage without the forward dash to his opponent. Wolverine is that fast. I highly doubt Blade is landing more slashes than Logan. No way. And guns? C'mon It's Wolverine here.

I'll give Wolverine 7-8/10 here in all scenarios. You're disagreeing with the writer here, not me.

I don't understand why you brought up a videogame to support your point...but there speed feats are at the very least comparable, Blade has plenty that rank up there with Wolverines. Onedumbgo has assembled a nice little collage of pictures in which well-placed gun wounds put down Logan, obviously the bullets alone wouldn't put him down but in addition to the damage he could do with prep? Wolverine would get KO'd exampel the vampire virus, magic bolo, and what not. Not to mention all the magical resources MI:13 and Dr. Strange could give him if he so desired.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough.



I know what issue you're referring to. I just thought for some reason that boot belonged to someone else. I'll check later to make sure.



I'm not convinced if that would put him down for good, I could see Logan's dead vampire body reverting back to normal and him waking up. But yeah, that would count as a forum win.



Ic.



Is Blade anime any good? Only checked out Wolverine one and some X-Men.

I would be curious to see how Wolverine healing factor would perform if he was being turn to ash, he might manage to survive but a KO is a win like you said.

The Blade anime so far has been pretty interesting, better the Wolverine in my opinion, but the Anime's always start out strong and drag in the middle. The animation in the X-men is the best of all four animes though.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
I would be curious to see how Wolverine healing factor would perform if he was being turn to ash, he might manage to survive but a KO is a win like you said.

The Blade anime so far has been pretty interesting, better the Wolverine in my opinion, but the Anime's always start out strong and drag in the middle. The animation in the X-men is the best of all four animes though.

He's survived incineration in the concentration camp (off-panel).

Animation yes, but story sucks... I stopped watching after ep5, did it get better?

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
You're disagreeing with the writer here, not me.

I don't understand why you brought up a videogame to support your point...but there speed feats are at the very least comparable, Blade has plenty that rank up there with Wolverines. Onedumbgo has assembled a nice little collage of pictures in which well-placed gun wounds put down Logan, obviously the bullets alone wouldn't put him down but in addition to the damage he could do with prep? Wolverine would get KO'd exampel the vampire virus, magic bolo, and what not. Not to mention all the magical resources MI:13 and Dr. Strange could give him if he so desired.

SMH.... Clearly the game isn't really for proof. The point however is that Logan's speed and fighting moves in-game are on point with what he can do in a comic that's all. But he is that fast and I've seen even better on-panel from Logan. Anyway about the magical resources at MI:13. I don't know how affective they would be against Wolverine or if Eric would use it for him because of CIS. I don't read Blade but I have seen some scans and a lot of research on powers and ability.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's survived incineration in the concentration camp (off-panel).

Animation yes, but story sucks... I stopped watching after ep5, did it get better? doesn't part of his brain need to be intact to regenerate though?

It got better the last couple of episodes, I thought it was stupid that some old guy could challenge him just because he was a sword-master though.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
SMH.... Clearly the game isn't really for proof. The point however is that Logan's speed and fighting moves in-game are on point with what he can do in a comic that's all. But he is that fast and I've seen even better on-panel from Logan. Anyway about the magical resources at MI:13. I don't know how affective they would be against Wolverine or if Eric would use it for him because of CIS. I don't read Blade but I have seen some scans and a lot of research on powers and ability.

Blade has used every type of weapon in the book and is part of the reason MI:13 out prepped Dracula in Vampire State. There will be no CIS preventing him from coming well-equipped.

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has used every type of weapon in the book and is part of the reason MI:13 out prepped Dracula in Vampire State. There will be no CIS preventing him from coming well-equipped.

But Logan's not a vampire though...

Marvelknight
What I want to say is that Blade would out prep Dracula. His speciality is killing vampires not Wolverine.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Anyone have on-panel proof that Blade either has been shown to carry or has access to an arsenal sufficient to give him any kind of advantage over Wolverine?

juggernaut74
What kind of weapon would that take?

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
But Logan's not a vampire though... Point being? Blade doesn't just fight vampires...

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
What I want to say is that Blade would out prep Dracula. His speciality is killing vampires not Wolverine. his specialty is killing the supernatural

Trackz
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Anyone have on-panel proof that Blade either has been shown to carry or has access to an arsenal sufficient to give him any kind of advantage over Wolverine? Shooting with with vampire blood at the on-set of the fight would get him a win or at the very least paralyze Wolverine long enough for Blade to do heavy damage and tax his healing factor. The magic bolo could paralyze Wolverine as well, plus he has access to MI:13's vast arsenal.

Eternal Idol
Blade sucks. He's a vampire, after all...

*rimshot*



That said, I really wish Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 had used Captain Ultra as a playable character instead of Blade.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/c_1d/captainultra.gif

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Something of portent I remembered:

Didn't they reveal that Cyclops had infected Wolverine with nanites to tax and partially nullify his Healing Factor so that he could be vampirized in the first place?

Trackz
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Something of portent I remembered:

Didn't they reveal that Cyclops had infected Wolverine with nanites to tax and partially nullify his Healing Factor so that he could be vampirized in the first place? Yea, but when his healing factor came into contact with thee vampire virus he was paralyzed while his body fought it. Dracula also managed to turn him into a vampire so vampire blood definitely has an effect on him depending on the strength of the vampire it comes from.

carver9
But doesn't Vampire blood amp him. Why in the world would Blade want to face a faster, stronger, more relentless Wolverine? It's already debatable if he can hang with a standard Wolvy, any other increases and Blade get his head taken off within the second the transformation takes place.

OneDumbG0
^ I think the idea presented in the Blade comic was that Blade would turn him into a vampire, then stake him through the heart, disintegrating him.

Trackz
Originally posted by carver9
But doesn't Vampire blood amp him. Why in the world would Blade want to face a faster, stronger, more relentless Wolverine? It's already debatable if he can hang with a standard Wolvy, any other increases and Blade get his head taken off within the second the transformation takes place. not only does Logan now have several weaknesses that Blade is well equipped to capitalize on he would initially be paralyzed as his healing factor tried to battle the virus, if Blade gets the blood in him, it's prety much an insta-win. A suped up Wolverine wouldn't be any more dangerous than some of the more powerful Vampires Blade has come up against (Deacon Frost, Spitfire, Dracula, Negus, etc.) hell Blade put down a vampiric Spiderman in about a panel.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I think the idea presented in the Blade comic was that Blade would turn him into a vampire, then stake him through the heart, disintegrating him.
which was one of the dumbest ideas ive ever seen. It was all based on wishful thinking that the serum would work, which was doubtful. Then it all had to be accomplish before wolverine unsheath his claws which move much faster then Blade could stake wolverine.

Starscream M
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
which was one of the dumbest ideas ive ever seen. It was all based on wishful thinking that the serum would work, which was doubtful. Then it all had to be accomplish before wolverine unsheath his claws which move much faster then Blade could stake wolverine. staking someone takes a second no expression

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
which was one of the dumbest ideas ive ever seen. It was all based on wishful thinking that the serum would work, which was doubtful. Then it all had to be accomplish before wolverine unsheath his claws which move much faster then Blade could stake wolverine.

It also requires the assumption that once becoming a vampire Wolverine's healing factor would for some reason be nullified (which we know to be untrue) or unable to cope with the standard Vampire weaknesses, which is unlikely considering they are relatively minor damages compared to what he deals with on a daily basis. Considering standard vampires can through attrition build up resilience and even functional immunity to all their weaknesses, it seems like - as you said - wishful thinking to assume that any of the standard vampire weaknesses would have any notable effect on a vampire who also possess a healing factor on the level of Wolverine. Not that any of that is relevant at all, Wolverine can only be a vampire for mere seconds before his healing factor reverses the effect.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It also requires the assumption that once becoming a vampire Wolverine's healing factor would for some reason be nullified (which we know to be untrue) or unable to cope with the standard Vampire weaknesses, which is unlikely considering they are relatively minor damages compared to what he deals with on a daily basis. Considering standard vampires can through attrition build up resilience and even functional immunity to all their weaknesses, it seems like - as you said - wishful thinking to assume that any of the standard vampire weaknesses would have any notable effect on a vampire who also possess a healing factor on the level of Wolverine. Not that any of that is relevant at all, Wolverine can only be a vampire for mere seconds before his healing factor reverses the effect. vampirism is not natural...his hf would not prevent the mystical weaknesses of vampiricism

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
vampirism is not natural...his hf would not prevent the mystical weaknesses of vampiricism

Yes it would. He would be a vampire with a healing factor, and his healing factor would compensate for all those weaknesses. Vampires drinking his blood alone compensates for all those weaknesses, and that is from a deluded healing factor boon.

OneDumbG0
^ Vampires drank Wolverine's blood and were immune to sunlight, religious artifacts, stakes and whatnot? I don't remember reading that.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Vampires drank Wolverine's blood and were immune to sunlight, religious artifacts, stakes and whatnot? I don't remember reading that. I wonder what would happen if Blade bit Logan? I don't think Blade gets any boost from drinking blood.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Vampires drank Wolverine's blood and were immune to sunlight, religious artifacts, stakes and whatnot? I don't remember reading that.

Jubilee, but I was only aware of it giving her limited durability against sunlight.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I wonder what would happen if Blade bit Logan? I don't think Blade gets any boost from drinking blood.

Well, Jubilee did.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Well, Jubilee did. So whatever Jubilee can do Blade can do?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by juggernaut74
So whatever Jubilee can do Blade can do?

Well, as far as I'm aware there wasn't a specific reason that Jubilee's vampirisim uniquely allowed her to gain boons from drinking Logan's blood that no other vampire would gain.

Trackz
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Vampires drank Wolverine's blood and were immune to sunlight, religious artifacts, stakes and whatnot? I don't remember reading that. They used treatments of Wolverine's blood to try and cure Jubilee, it just weakened her all around though, it doesn't prove that if Wolverine were a vampire he would have no weaknesses.

It does prove that Wolverine's would be more harmed from a vampire bite seeing as he would go into shock as he fought it off. (which happened in X-men #6)

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Trackz
It does prove that Wolverine's would be more harmed from a vampire bite seeing as he would go into shock as he fought it off. (which happened in X-men #6) I do remember this. It was brief, but it did happen.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Well, as far as I'm aware there wasn't a specific reason that Jubilee's vampirisim uniquely allowed her to gain boons from drinking Logan's blood that no other vampire would gain. Blade has drank blood before and he didn't seem to get a boost of any kind.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Trackz
They used treatments of Wolverine's blood to try and cure Jubilee, it just weakened her all around though, it doesn't prove that if Wolverine were a vampire he would have no weaknesses.

It does prove that Wolverine's would be more harmed from a vampire bite seeing as he would go into shock as he fought it off. (which happened in X-men #6)

Correct me if I'm wrong, which I don't remember seeing anyone really disputing, but wasn't Wolverine's Healing Factor taxed to the degree that would allow vampirism to affect him by nanobots that Scott had specifically implanted in Logan as part of a plan to fight the Vampire hordes that threatened Utopia and San Francisco?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Blade has drank blood before and he didn't seem to get a boost of any kind.

He's drank Wolverine's blood before? Do you have scans for this?

juggernaut74
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
He's drank Wolverine's blood before? Do you have scans for this? confused

Trackz
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Well, Jubilee did. The first time Jubilee drank Logans blood nothing happened to her. She doesn't get empowered by Logans blood it just keeps her form turning evil and going on a bloodrage.

Trackz
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Correct me if I'm wrong, which I don't remember seeing anyone really disputing, but wasn't Wolverine's Healing Factor taxed to the degree that would allow vampirism to affect him by nanobots that Scott had specifically implanted in Logan as part of a plan to fight the Vampire hordes that threatened Utopia and San Francisco? His healing factor wasn't taxed, it was turned off, Scott turned it on and it went to war with the infection and Wolverine went into shock.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Vampires drank Wolverine's blood and were immune to sunlight, religious artifacts, stakes and whatnot? I don't remember reading that.

Jubilee, the effect is limited and she needs to drink it frequently though.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Trackz
His healing factor wasn't taxed, it was turned off, Scott turned it on and it went to war with the infection and Wolverine went into shock.

He went to a knee for a few seconds, don't over blow the situation.

OneDumbG0
^ Few seconds tends to be quite an advantage in a H2H fight. I think that's the main takeaway.Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Jubilee, the effect is limited and she needs to drink it frequently though. Someone mentioned that it was treated blood? Which makes sense because when Jubilee first turned Wolverine, I don't recall her benefitting from such amps.

Trackz
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Few seconds tends to be quite an advantage in a H2H fight. I think that's the main takeaway. Someone mentioned that it was treated blood? Which makes sense because when Jubilee first turned Wolverine, I don't recall her benefitting from such amps. she had been receiving doses of it, and at most it helped her for a day, but it doesn't make her a daywalker like Blade, it just weakens her as a vampire all around.

Trackz
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He went to a knee for a few seconds, don't over blow the situation. more than a few seconds, Cyclops had time to explain everything that happened, in that time Wolverine is compltely immobile and his healing factor is in overdrive, stake to the heart may or may not kill him, but if he's bleeding out while his healing factor is trying to get rid of vampirism it's going to tax his healing factor to the edge.

Hell being immobile for over ten seconds may count as a forum KO.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Few seconds tends to be quite an advantage in a H2H fight. I think that's the main takeaway. Someone mentioned that it was treated blood? Which makes sense because when Jubilee first turned Wolverine, I don't recall her benefitting from such amps.


He dropped to his knee for a few seconds when his healing factor was turned on and he had to heal from a complete vampiric infection. Had his healing factor been active at the initial moment of infection it likely would have been a much less traumatic ordeal, in fact it's entirely possible that it wouldn't have been able to take hold in the first place, especially since it took an extended period of time for him to turn even with his healing factor disabled.

The narrative flashed forward after Jubilee turned, we weren't privy to what if any effect his blood had on her at the time... plus his powers were disabled at the time of infection as well.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
You know, digging back through the Wolverine respect thread, it was actually Trackz who told me that it was nano-bots that had allowed Wolverine to be vampirized and that Scott turned back on Wolverine's healing factor with a push of a button.

He never did post the actual scans though. sad

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Trackz
she had been receiving doses of it, and at most it helped her for a day, but it doesn't make her a daywalker like Blade, it just weakens her as a vampire all around. If that's the case, I don't see how this supports Wolverine becoming some sort of supervampire which would backfire on Blade. But by the same token, it's possible untreated Wolverine blood might weaken Blade and backfire that way. Maybe that's why Blade was going to utilize a syringe?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If that's the case, I don't see how this supports Wolverine becoming some sort of supervampire which would backfire on Blade. But by the same token, it's possible untreated Wolverine blood might weaken Blade and backfire that way. Maybe that's why Blade was going to utilize a syringe?

You're right it doesn't. Wolverine won't become a "super vampire" because the evidence at hand shows that thanks to his healing factor he likely won't become a vampire at all, and if he did it would only be for a few seconds. The "super vampire" is just a hypothetical outcome in a series of events in which Wolverine actually managed to become a vampire while his powers were active... but those very same powers prevent that from happening in the first place.

There may be conflicting accounts but far as I can recall Blade, as a dampire, is unable to sire new vampires with his own blood or bite, hence the syringe.

Trackz
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If that's the case, I don't see how this supports Wolverine becoming some sort of supervampire which would backfire on Blade. But by the same token, it's possible untreated Wolverine blood might weaken Blade and backfire that way. Maybe that's why Blade was going to utilize a syringe?

Blade rarely feasts on people, he hates vampires, hates that he is one, but makes the best of it.

While it's possible Wolverine's blood would weaken Blade, the syringe is just easier to administer especially to a character like Wolverine who likes to get up close and personal

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
You know, digging back through the Wolverine respect thread, it was actually Trackz who told me that it was nano-bots that had allowed Wolverine to be vampirized and that Scott turned back on Wolverine's healing factor with a push of a button.

He never did post the actual scans though. sad

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk


It's just a bunch of exposition. We usually only post action heavy exploits, because if it is just a bunch of words that can be relaid easily enough in the text of a forum post.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's just a bunch of exposition. We usually only post action heavy exploits, because if it is just a bunch of words that can be relaid easily enough in the text of a forum post.

True, but then it becomes a second hand source of the information and may not end up holding water when it's used to support an argument concerning people who have not read the same comic.

Marvelknight
Blade just doesn't have what it takes to put down Wolverine. I can't see why or how it can be argued. It takes a lot to tax Logan's HF. And even in the event that his HF is taxed, Wolverine's will keeps him going longer.

Put it this way. Wolverine took on Omega Red for 17 hours of fighting and punishment... Wolverine went through all of that and I believe he faced and punk Blade some time not long after.

Seriously, if Wolverine took on 17 hours against Omega Red, what is Blade by himself gonna do to tax Wolverine's HF?

Take out Omega Red and put Blade there and it wouldn't have lasted an hour let alone 17 hours.

Trackz
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Blade just doesn't have what it takes to put down Wolverine. I can't see why or how it can be argued. It takes a lot to tax Logan's HF. And even in the event that his HF is taxed, Wolverine's will keeps him going longer.

Put it this way. Wolverine took on Omega Red for 17 hours of fighting and punishment... Wolverine went through all of that and I believe he faced and punk Blade some time not long after.

Seriously, if Wolverine took on 17 hours against Omega Red, what is Blade by himself gonna do to tax Wolverine's HF?

Take out Omega Red and put Blade there and it wouldn't have lasted an hour let alone 17 hours.

Wolverine's healing factor was no more taxed than it normally is since it's been shown he's always going back and forth between fights with little time to recover. You're assuming it was 17 hours.

Blade had just taken on Morbius and a Shield division prior to the fight.

After all that Blade figured out a way in which to put Logan down for good and lured Wolverine close enough to administer it. By the writer's own admission Blade closed the fight with an upper-hand despite it being a stalemate.

carver9
Why isn't this closed for spite?

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine's healing factor was no more taxed than it normally is since it's been shown he's always going back and forth between fights with little time to recover. You're assuming it was 17 hours.


He was weaken state and tired prior to the fight. He even stated that he went 15 rounds with omega red. It was clearly intended that he was not at 100% prior to the start of the fight.

Also this is simply wrong, his healing factor does not run off infinity energy, and has been explain several times.


Originally posted by Trackz
Blade had just taken on Morbius and a Shield division prior to the fight.
He was brought in and given ample time to prep for wolverine. That is not even remotely the same thing, but thanks for skewering events as always.

Originally posted by Trackz
After all that Blade figured out a way in which to put Logan down for good and lured Wolverine close enough to administer it. By the writer's own admission Blade closed the fight with an upper-hand despite it being a stalemate.
No the writer did not admitt that at all. Blade stated nonsense to make him self feel more secure. Wolverine reaction was for him to try it. Clearly not worried at all by blade believes. Not to mention there zero evidence it would have worked. Also wolverine only had to release his claws and blades head would have been bye bye.

Dum Dum Dugan
Also Wolverine was holding back against Blade which he won't be doing in this match up, notice how Wolverine pulls back his claw and Punches blade, instead of taking his head off
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5559/blade2gr2.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5953/blade3jk6.jpg

Marvelknight
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine's healing factor was no more taxed than it normally is since it's been shown he's always going back and forth between fights with little time to recover. You're assuming it was 17 hours.

Blade had just taken on Morbius and a Shield division prior to the fight.

After all that Blade figured out a way in which to put Logan down for good and lured Wolverine close enough to administer it. By the writer's own admission Blade closed the fight with an upper-hand despite it being a stalemate.

Stalemate?? Uh no... And I'm not assuming anything, they fought for that long. You're not seeing it or just feel the way you do and won't reconsider.. But I'm telling you, man. Blade isn't taking Logan. Blade can put up a good enough fight but nothing more. His HF isn't like Wolverine, can't take what Logan can and doesn't have what it takes to put him down... Blade isn't Sabretooth, Omega Red, Cyber, Deadpool, Psylocke, Venom nor Daken. These characters could defeat Logan, not Blade. Wolverine's fighting ability is just off the charts with crazy damage soak.

A characters true test of skill and ability are measured by what they've faced. Let Blade trade his rouges for Wolverine's any day of the week. And we will see that he can't cut it.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by carver9
Why isn't this closed for spite? Because it is far from spite.

They've both got the tools to take each other down.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because it is far from spite.

They've both got the tools to take each other down.
in which scenerio? Because out side of the prep scenerio, blade does not have the tools to win this.

OneDumbG0
^ Yes, he does.

Blade is pretty good with his own stabby-stabs as well as his guns. Wolverine's lost to lesser opponents.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes, he does.

Blade is pretty good with his own stabby-stabs as well as his guns. Wolverine's lost to lesser opponents.


No he doesent.

He not as skilled, he does not have nearly the damage soak. Blade holds literraly not a single advantage, but holds many disadavntages. Fact Wolverine has perhaps loss to lesser opponents is irrelevent, that could be said of any character. Consistently Wolverien deals with better and more. Same can not be said of Blade, who deals with mostly cannon fodder, same cannon fodder wolverine destroys when fighting.

It u go over there showings, and power set, wolverine is superior in almost every senses. There is literrally zero reason to believe blade in a non prep senerio has a chance of winning against a superior and more skilled opponent. Hell even in there fight, Blade needed to rely on a plot device/one sided prep and still it was not even guaranteed to work and still Wolverine had to hold back for it to even be a fight, like withdrawing his claws mid swing, so he did not take blades head off, as shown in the scans I posted above.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes, he does.

Blade is pretty good with his own stabby-stabs as well as his guns. Wolverine's lost to lesser opponents.

Evidence? Please do post the scans to prove this statement.

OneDumbG0
^ If you guys believe Wolverine can't be beaten by someone who is arguably less skilled and has a relatively inferior healing factor, then I suggest you never read Wolverine comics again.

Then again, maybe you haven't.

Whatever, Blade shoots a bullet through the eye into the brain.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If you guys believe Wolverine can't be beaten by someone who is arguably less skilled and has a relatively inferior healing factor, then I suggest you never read Wolverine comics again.

Then again, maybe you haven't.

Whatever, Blade shoots a bullet through the eye into the brain.

As I've said previous pages before, I'm just a facilitator for this debate.

Just words will not cut it as solid ground in this discussion, you must back up your claims with actual scans and on-panel feats.

And for the record, there is the Sphenoidale right behind each eye and would be coated in adamantium. You can't shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.

Batman-Prime
1. Logan wins 8/10, Logan fought worse, his HF and Skeleton will protect him from Blades worst, he is also better at H2H.
2. Blade wins 9/10, with enough Prep he has enough options to overcome Logans HF.
3. Blade wins 8/10, same as 2 though maybe less luck.

Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also Wolverine was holding back against Blade which he won't be doing in this match up, notice how Wolverine pulls back his claw and Punches blade, instead of taking his head off
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5559/blade2gr2.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5953/blade3jk6.jpg

Wolverine does that a lot against heroes, it's CIS and would probably happen in the fight where he's not berserk. Also notice Blade never vamps out.

Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
in which scenerio? Because out side of the prep scenerio, blade does not have the tools to win this.
two of the fights are prep scenarios and those are the only fights being argued that he can win. The only reason Blade loses the straight fight is because of Wolverine's skeleton which is a huge advantage.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine does that a lot against heroes, it's CIS and would probably happen in the fight where he's not berserk. Also notice Blade never vamps out.
Because he not trying to kill hero's, just like he was not trying to kill blade.

Wolverine blood lusted in several scenerio in this fight, there zero reason for him to hold back. So blade has to hope wolverine holds back while he goes all out? How interesting.

Oh please, u guys say this blade vamps out nonsense all the time, as if he not vamped out means he not trying, which is utterly rediculous. That be like me saying because Wolverine was not berserk, he was not trying. Which is nonsense. Sorry but that is simply a cop out.


Also notice Wolverine never went berserk, works both ways champ. By the way berserk Wolverine would tear blade up with utter ease.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
As I've said previous pages before, I'm just a facilitator for this debate.

Just words will not cut it as solid ground in this discussion, you must back up your claims with actual scans and on-panel feats.

And for the record, there is the Sphenoidale right behind each eye and would be coated in adamantium. You can't shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye. The notion I'm disputing is the unsupported blanket assertion that Wolverine would never lose to an arguably less skillful opponent who has an inferior healing factor.

Give me a notion worth spit, and I'll muster up the effort to rebut it.

And for the record, in comics, Wolverine has had his brain penetrated through various points many times, several times through the eye sockets. You can shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by OneDumbG0


And for the record, in comics, Wolverine has had his brain penetrated through various points many times, several times through the eye sockets. You can shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.

Writers and artists forgetting or not knowing basic human anatomy in order to try and write what they believe is an interesting and compelling story does not hold ground or water in a debate of hypothetical applications of logic and pop-culture history to determine the winners in a hypothetical battle.

Wolverine has a skeleton coated completely in indestructible adamantium and there is a sheet of bone called the Sphenoidale located behind each eye-ball.

A bullet would not penetrate from behind his eye sockets and thus would never reach his brain.

Shooting through the nasal canal would prove more damaging than shooting through an eye.

Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He was weaken state and tired prior to the fight. He even stated that he went 15 rounds with omega red. It was clearly intended that he was not at 100% prior to the start of the fight.

Also this is simply wrong, his healing factor does not run off infinity energy, and has been explain several times.



He was brought in and given ample time to prep for wolverine. That is not even remotely the same thing, but thanks for skewering events as always.


No the writer did not admitt that at all. Blade stated nonsense to make him self feel more secure. Wolverine reaction was for him to try it. Clearly not worried at all by blade believes. Not to mention there zero evidence it would have worked. Also wolverine only had to release his claws and blades head would have been bye bye.

Here we go again.

Blade also never vamped out in the fight, which does give him an increase in strength/speed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine 73

A month in the life of Wolverine.

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He is never getting a full rest before fights, meaning his healing factor has more than adapted to recovering after a short time unless it is ALWAYS taxed, which isn't likely the case. In fact, the Omega Red line was more than likely a reference to what Wolverine had been doing in Origins, meaning it happened in another country and he had just gotten back to America. The "Just got back" line is incredibly ambiguous and since he looks like he is in perfect condition it's probably not as taxing as you want to make it out to be.

E-mail from writer regarding the fight:
The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.

I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.

Hope this answers your question.

Thanks for reading.

Best,
Marc

Second e-mail after I ask if their healing and skill makes them equals.

True, but I figure Logan's claws give him an advantage and his adamantium skeleton makes decapitation almost impossible.

Best,
Marc

I've already agreed to give a moderator my gmail account temporarily if anyone believed this is forged.

Basically your whole spin on the fight is incorrect and it was clearly ceated by the writer to show the two as equals. Noto nly that my the author is penning another Blade vs, Wolverine one-shot, oh but clearly it'll probably just be twenty pages of Wolverine "owning" Blade. Please.

Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because he not trying to kill hero's, just like he was not trying to kill blade.

Wolverine blood lusted in several scenerio in this fight, there zero reason for him to hold back. So blade has to hope wolverine holds back while he goes all out? How interesting.

Oh please, u guys say this blade vamps out nonsense all the time, as if he not vamped out means he not trying, which is utterly rediculous. That be like me saying because Wolverine was not berserk, he was not trying. Which is nonsense. Sorry but that is simply a cop out.


Also notice Wolverine never went berserk, works both ways champ. By the way berserk Wolverine would tear blade up with utter ease.
By several do you mean 1 out of the 3 scenarios?

You should re-read the thread to see the arguments being made.

You've just said if Wolverine isn't trying to kill his heroes he's holding back. Not only that the whole fight Blade is trying to lure Wolverine close enough so he can use the syringe.

So what you ended your post with contradicts what you're trying to say. Basically just because Wolverine isn't trying to kill he is still performing at his best...but when he is trying to kill he would do better.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Trackz
He is never getting a full rest before fights.

You're right. Playing poker, drinking beers, meditating and banging whores takes the worst toll on him stick out tongue

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Writers and artists forgetting or not knowing basic human anatomy in order to try and write what they believe is an interesting and compelling story does not hold ground or water in a debate of hypothetical applications of logic and pop-culture history to determine the winners in a hypothetical battle.

Wolverine has a skeleton coated completely in indestructible adamantium and there is a sheet of bone called the Sphenoidale located behind each eye-ball.

A bullet would not penetrate from behind his eye sockets and thus would never reach his brain.

Shooting through the nasal canal would prove more damaging than shooting through an eye.

I've explained this to that fool about 100 times now, provided evidence of said bone, as well as examples of Wolverine being shot in the eye with no effect. Examples of Wolverine getting shot in the brain are PIS, and OneDumbGO brings them up because he is an incompetent debater with nothing better to do, I would suggest ignoring him as far as this topic is concerned.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Trackz
By several do you mean 1 out of the 3 scenarios?

You should re-read the thread to see the arguments being made.

You've just said if Wolverine isn't trying to kill his heroes he's holding back. Not only that the whole fight Blade is trying to lure Wolverine close enough so he can use the syringe.

So what you ended your post with contradicts what you're trying to say. Basically just because Wolverine isn't trying to kill he is still performing at his best...but when he is trying to kill he would do better.
ur correct it is one out of 3. I original misread it to mean both wolverine and blade in scenerio 2.


Yes, wolverine was holding back, when he has to pull in his claws in order to not kill Blade (who not held to the same standards).

No blade wasent, u just like to pretend he was, because u can't grasp the fact he was simply getting his ass kicked. Blade got his ass beat, and then went for his secret weapon in a desperate attempt to win, if he could have put wolverine down other wise he would have, and he did try, but fail miserably. Wolverine also at anypoint in time could have jsut pop his claws and bye bye blades head.


No it doesent, u simply have no grasp of the character. I said Wolverine not being berserk is not Wolverine holding back, nor is blade not vamping out, blade holding back. Both are more then willing to kill either way. U assume Wolverine needs to be berserk to kill, because? I was mocking ur acersution that sicne blade did not vamp out he was holding back, which is utter BS. It be like me argueing that because Wolverine was not berserk he was holding back, which is utter nonsense. Fact Wolverine was not willing to kill blade, and actively trying not to, is why he was holding back, not because he was not berserk.

Trackz
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Logan wins 8/10, Logan fought worse, his HF and Skeleton will protect him from Blades worst, he is also better at H2H.
2. Blade wins 9/10, with enough Prep he has enough options to overcome Logans HF.
3. Blade wins 8/10, same as 2 though maybe less luck.
This, Blade puts up a good fight every time in scenario 1 but Wolverine can deal more damage than he can because of his adamantium skeleton even though Blade does have the ranged advantage.

for people saying Blade isn't as skilled, Blade has mastered every edged weapon known to man and can learn to proficiently use any knew weapon on the fly. Blade has mastered a couple of hand-to-hand fighting styles, but he rarely has to resort to hand-to-hand fighting since he carries a plethora of weapons.

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