inimalist's Tournament - Based Gods vs Time Conquerors

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inimalist
Woo!

Psycho/Leo vs Simbon:

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8436/capechidleylabrador.jpg

Cape Chidley, Labrador

inimalist

inimalist

inimalist

inimalist
the acquisition of ambient's cable-prime character's dna was successfully sealed and preserved by way of re-sealing weaponry soaked in blood, and sealing body portions. now using three more living human sacrifices, edo tensei resurrects cable, deadpool, and multiple man, all three being infected by warlock.

now cable being amped to magneto'ish level using ambient's method wasn't 100% concrete, ambient and the judges didn't seem to have that much faith in it, but yes, there is another method to get it.
at the cost of his lifeglow, warlock will beef cable up like so:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/novacured.jpg (this was okay'd by inamalist)

kabuto will use the second sample of magneto's blood and then legion and magneto are then killed and then resurrected using impure world summoning

magneto:

creates his best shield around himself and kabuto, and renders himself undetectable like so: http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/undetectable.jpg


legion:

legion will then devour the mind of: multipleman (his TO virus body is then resealed by kabuto), legion then makes a strong shield around himself, and lastly erects his psychic bunker/fortress to max volume/power: http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/psybunker.jpg

kabuto destroys the ninja summons, cable, deadpool, and joseph's individuality by implanting a kunai talismans into them (magneto/legion can expedite this with their power)

inimalist

psycho gundam
scan fix:

blowing up of muir island:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/muirisland2.jpg


magneto erecting the field with ease:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/field.jpg



a simple mudaphukkin gesture indeed

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with that field there add the mach-stem effect of Operation: "Quarentine" to your explosions as well bud

Simbon

leonidas
before proceding i think we need to have the legalities cleared up. i'd also like a ruling regarding being able to remain in the time cube, which, as a prep-base is fine, but i don't see how it becomes part of the bf and something they can remain hidden within.... does that mean i could--if we chose next round--bring avalon to the bf and remain there? just curious.....

inimal, if you could make a quick decision on these issues we can sort out what we are able to do and not have to worry about debating something that was illegal. smile

Simbon
I asked Inimalist about vehicles before we did drafts. His response:

"In terms of spaceships and such, I'll use an example from Kandy's tourney. Blair drafted Nero from the star trek universe, seemingly for the use of his ship. In a circumstance like this, it is the ship that must be below the limits, regardless of whether the character is (so, you can't draft a meta character that has trans level equipment)

Basically, everything is allowed so long as it doesn't make whatever character you are using stronger than magneto."

In this case, Zarrko and the time-cube together are still nowhere near as powerful as Magneto, so there is no legality problem. Of course, trying to get Avalon with Magneto is problematic because of the stips: because Magneto is the power-cap, any amp to him, however minor, is by definition illegal.

psycho gundam
about the talk of legalities:

only thing i did that was wrong was saying cable amps through warlock, my mistake. joseph is not as skilled nor touches any of magneto's feats at all, he's a high meta character.

other than that everything else is legal. deal with it

the battle

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_energycorona.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_field.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_attilanfield.jpg

in the scans magneto is enveloped in a field that allows him to traverse the distance between earth and the moon comfortably, and renders him undetectable from two of the best molecular sensors in comics. he then creates a shield around a large tower to seal off the rest of attilan from his intended targets within just because he's magneto and he rolls like that, and that field is good enough to stop the vision from phasing through it, the kinetic impacts of karnak and gorgon, and the hex powers (chaos) of scarlet witch. magneto's shields can block nuclear explosions as well so.....yeah

it's not a stretch for magneto of all people to use his powers to make multipurpose fields, and all the effects i need are easy for him to do, and as you can see it took a simple gesture and the deed was done.
on top of that your tech cimplodes/explodes or shortcircuts due to legion's presence, and then he vaporizes your entire squad. all your efforts are sealed up, and you can play with legion in there.

psycho gundam
like i said before: all of simbon's (working) arms get reflected and sent back inwards towards his entire team, and the mach-stem effect will multiply the force of the blasts as they ricochet off of magneto's force-field. magneto is tireless so he can put a lot of concentration and effort into it's integrity.

legion like all the zombies will simple reform after destruction so he can continue to cause havoc till nothing is left within it.

swag

inimalist
Originally posted by leonidas
before proceding i think we need to have the legalities cleared up. i'd also like a ruling regarding being able to remain in the time cube, which, as a prep-base is fine, but i don't see how it becomes part of the bf and something they can remain hidden within.... does that mean i could--if we chose next round--bring avalon to the bf and remain there? just curious.....

inimal, if you could make a quick decision on these issues we can sort out what we are able to do and not have to worry about debating something that was illegal. smile

The ship is legal. There is a size limit to this stuff, so like, I wouldn't let God Cable actually bring providence with him, but if you want a solid ruling on Avalon I would look it up

Chronobombs are banned though, no offensive use of time manipulation

EDIT: joseph doesn't have the feats to put him above Magneto or even at low herald

we might be able to infer that from who he was supposed to be, but in terms of versus forum feats and such, I don't see a problem

leonidas
Originally posted by inimalist
The ship is legal. There is a size limit to this stuff, so like, I wouldn't let God Cable actually bring providence with him, but if you want a solid ruling on Avalon I would look it up

Chronobombs are banned though, no offensive use of time manipulation

EDIT: joseph doesn't have the feats to put him above Magneto or even at low herald

we might be able to infer that from who he was supposed to be, but in terms of versus forum feats and such, I don't see a problem

thumb up

Simbon

inimalist
Originally posted by Simbon
@Inimalist: I am saddened by the time-bomb ruling; I thought because they were AoE it would be OK. I can still use the one bomb to power-up Tempus, though, right?

of course

you can use time manip to do anything but directly attack your opponent

you can use it to freeze your opponent, or to slow them down, etc, its just that the time bomb appears to de-age your opponent (or something similar), which is not allowed in the time rules, or in the "unblockable" rule

in terms of the summons, most of what you said is argumentative rather than a question of the rules, I will just say, there is a major difference between indestructible and regeneration *cough* especially for someone who has a team full of time controllers *cough*

psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/ka3447.gif

he is tireless because he is a zombie, his stamina doesn't hamper his ability to use his power like it does over time normally.

lol at the buddhist angle. one of the characters kabuto summoned destroyed and slaughtered a buddhist monastery just to make money from a bounty.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_munk.jpg

so yeah, i'll have joseph pour some power into the shield just in case, though some of the energy you use to try and attack is ironically helping to keep you in jail. oh well.

GG simbon

psycho gundam
wow, just look at the similarities of these two locations topographically:

Originally posted by psycho gundam
blowing up of muir island:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/muirisland2.jpg

Originally posted by inimalist
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8436/capechidleylabrador.jpg

Cape Chidley, Labrador

the resemblance is uncanny...minus the pyrokinetic holocaust of coarse smile

leonidas

leonidas
Originally posted by inimalist
of course

you can use time manip to do anything but directly attack your opponent

you can use it to freeze your opponent, or to slow them down, etc, its just that the time bomb appears to de-age your opponent (or something similar), which is not allowed in the time rules, or in the "unblockable" rule

in terms of the summons, most of what you said is argumentative rather than a question of the rules, I will just say, there is a major difference between indestructible and regeneration *cough* especially for someone who has a team full of time controllers *cough*



whoa, just reread this. how can you say in one sentence:



then in the next say:

that.... makes no sense at all. erm freezing us would CERTAINLY be attacking us and using it offensively, as would 'slowing us down'.

i've no idea what this is supposed to mean.

inimalist
Originally posted by leonidas
whoa, just reread this. how can you say in one sentence:



then in the next say:

that.... makes no sense at all. erm freezing us would CERTAINLY be attacking us and using it offensively, as would 'slowing us down'.

i've no idea what this is supposed to mean.

a chronological attack, as in one that injures or KOs your opponent is illegal, so, de-aging or other such things are banned

affecting them is not

same with reality manip. You can manipulate the ground or air to hold your opponent, you cannot manipulate your opponent directly

psycho gundam
meh, won't stop legion smile

Ambient
Say if you manipulate your surrounding which gives a negative effect on the opponents and also adds positive effect on our teams (summons and all), would this be considered legal?

inimalist
Originally posted by Ambient
Say if you manipulate your surrounding which gives a negative effect on the opponents and also adds positive effect on our teams (summons and all), would this be considered legal?

likely, the ban on "offensive time/reality manip" is more a ban of direct attacks that would damage/KO/etc your opponent

use as a buff/debuff is ok

EDIT: errr, for general questions, please keep it to PM or the tourney thread

Endless Mike
Did someone just seriously suggest Naruto characters are low Herald level? laughing laughing laughing laughing

inimalist
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Did someone just seriously suggest Naruto characters are low Herald level? laughing laughing laughing laughing

Originally posted by inimalist
for general questions, please keep it to PM or the tourney thread

Simbon

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Endless Mike
laughing laughing laughing laughing

even in naruto there are death gods and such, the "pure world" just means the afterlife. this is a moot point that you need to argue cause you're boned.

take the "L" like a man

Endless Mike
Uh, I'm not a participant in this tournament....

inimalist
guys, please take it elsewhere

leonidas

leonidas
a couple of the ironman scans i mentioned--these are more recent. there are a couple older ones where mags owned him too. the second one is important--mags--IN A WEAKENED STATE AND USING LORNA'S POWERS, NOT HIS OWN--was able to bypass tony's armor and directly affect his blood beneath it. the first one shows tony about to be simply overwhelmed, by, again, a mags using polaris's powers.

http://imageshack.us/f/109/magnetodarkseduction030.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/magnetodarkseduction030.jpg/

here, btw, is what mags did once he got his OWN powers back....

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/228/magnetodarkseduction041.jpg/

so, yeah. effortlessly took out tony, while simultaneously taking control of she-hulk and pwning the others. so, so much for tony shutting down mag's power. without proof, there is no reason to suggest he could not do the same to kang or epoch.

Simbon

Simbon

psycho gundam
I like how your whole argument is based around crying foul....

A text wall made of tears

You're flopping like a Brazilian footballer (i still love you brasil, but i had to say it)

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I like how your whole argument is based around crying foul....

A text wall made of tears

You're flopping like a Brazilian footballer (i still love you brasil, but i had to say it)

I can see why you needed Leo on your team -- so far I've seen you post a lot of "counterarguments" that amount to: "Just face it, you can't win." As for crying foul, it would be more correct to say that your whole strategy consists of claiming feats you can't actually do. Likewise, my plan works even if you could back up those false claims, while you have yet to produce an effective strategy against my own team.

psycho gundam
you could use leo's help yourself, he would have told you not to write all that bullshit.

anyway, you're the one trying to debunk something, if it's not working for you switch gears. you're trying to say our plan doesn't work so that your weaksauce plan actually can accomplish something, but you're not a fan of that style of debating, no.

so to reiterate....

Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/ka3447.giflol at the buddhist angle. one of the characters kabuto summoned destroyed and slaughtered a buddhist monastery just to make money from a bounty.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_munk.jpg


unless we're talking about dr.doom's mother, no mortal soul in marvel is under lock and key by some being/dimension that can't simply be plucked from beyond by this technique.not that it matters but heaven and hell were both robbed of souls in kabuto's summoning technique

leonidas

leonidas
as far as you simply pulling out 'uncompromised' forces anytime you'd like.... well, let's see some scans of it happening while in a battle. while you're at it, love to see those scans that show legion or our legion of cables, don't simply mindrape you as soon as you arrive on the field.... been asked for a few times. still see no scans showing you have any tp resistance.

at all.



Originally posted by inimalist
in terms of the summons, most of what you said is argumentative rather than a question of the rules, I will just say, there is a major difference between indestructible and regeneration *cough* especially for someone who has a team full of time controllers *cough*


again, seriously. the argument you're putting forth sounds akin to flash's speedforce not working in a tournament because we're not in the dc universe. all powers are assumed to work, regardless of where we are. pg explained it already anyway and the summons ARE LEGAL. so, yeah, we DO have as many as we thought we had.....




proof that we can't locate you via tp....?



scan?



what prevents us finding epoch and ko'ing him with tp? or mags shredding his armor or tech?



and how do YOU find mags? and how do YOU get through his shield? notice you dropped that containment thingy since there is likely no way to show it could be deployed in the way you tried. so, how DO you penetrate our shielding? i have no doubt that mags could affect your own forcefields if given only a short time. you think you could get through our shields first? i challenge that belief and ask for proof. here's my proof that he COULD affect/weaken/outright take down, your forcefields:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus7.jpg

Energy (Kang), just electrons dancing.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus8.jpg

if he can do that to PROTEUS, there is no reason at all to think he couldn't affect your shielding. and he took him apart in only a couple pages--he just needed to be close enough to analyze the energy. you already said you get in nice and close......

so, to recap:

--mags is certainly NOT being overextended. he is tireless for this battle and STILL doing LESS than his best feat on-panel. AND he has help here.
--his forces are shredded. love to see how they instantly know which ones are comprised, and love to see how they simply take them away and replace them while in the middle of a pitched war that his guys are taking part in. if zarrko can do it, i'd again love a scan.
--no proof they are immune to the MASSIVE amounts of tp our team has available to it.
--we've shown proof mags is invisible. i'd love proof that THEY are.
--even if the 'coating' works on the first couple tp attacks, we've scores more. the coating is used up almost the instant they arrive.
-we've still got 2 ebony blades we could use to gut kang and epoch as soon as we see them arrive.
--they've no way of getting through our shielding

so, yeah. we win. handily.

leonidas

psycho gundam
about the zombie summons:

(below from op)

"http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums.../swordsman2.png 7 swordsmen summoning swords (a source of previous dna), http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...to/nanobomb.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...o/nanobomb2.jpg deidara making C-4, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...undam1/gas2.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...undam1/gas1.png hanzou's salamander, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...am1/kin-jin.png ginkaku and kinkaku's transformation, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...tenfingers1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...enfingures2.jpg chiyo's puppets unsealed, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...ogundam1/a3.png kakuzu releasing his stored hearts', he'll steal 5 from the captives, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...m1/kimcurse.jpg kimmimaro's transformation, http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...ogundam1/03.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...ndam1/04-05.png itachi releasing susanno'o, and lastly http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...am1/mandaII.jpg kabuto summons manda II "

assuming you even managed to damage them in any way

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuv-1.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuve2-1.jpg

they just regen

attack

nagato can repel anything

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion3-1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion2.pnghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion4.pnghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion3-1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion5.pnghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion6.pnghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion7.png

and can make the repelling force on a grand scale like so:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...dam1/shinre.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...gundam1/st1.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums...gundam1/st2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/st3.png

*i have to fit the rest in another post*

psycho gundam
deidara solos

not only does he have this already prepped:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobomb.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobomb2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobom3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobom4.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobomb5.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/des.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/des2.jpg

but he can also do this:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct4.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct5.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestructt6.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/selfdestruct7.jpg TEN KILOMETER BLAST RANGE

he will regen just like all the troops smile

psycho gundam
messed up the url codes

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion4.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion3-1.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion5.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion6.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/peinrepulsion7.png


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/st1.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/st2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/st3.png

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/st4.png


and then max attractive force

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct1.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct3.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct4.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct5.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/ct6.png


the cape we are to fight on and all of simbon's characters are gone in a variety of ways, these are just two of them

psycho gundam
itachi

attack

"amaterasu"

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a1.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a3.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a4.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a5.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a6.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a7.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a8.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a9.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/a10.png

^ anything in his eye focuses on gets engulfed by flames that burn for seven days and seven nights, even fire itself gets consumed.

like normal flames they spread outward rapidly, and as you can see rain cannot smother it

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/amaterasu.png (mere minutes after the fire was started, itachi can turn the flames off on a whim)

defense

"susano'o

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s1.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s2.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s3.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s4.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s5.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s6.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s7.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s8.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s9.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s10.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/s11.png

and about the edo tensei thing, even though this is a cross-genre tournament and the characters we want to resurrect have no binding on their souls so calling them from beyond has no barriar (especially with a mind-link already established), even if simbon got a sympathy vote on the matter, we still have all our characters:

BEHOLD!

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/op1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/op2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/op3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/op4.jpg

^ nagato can resurrect almost a thousand characters, just resurrecting a handful is a piece of cake

though like i said before, unless we're talking about special cases like doom's mother, mortals can be resurrected from the grave in a variety of ways (for example: elektra/daredevil (mysticism); and strong guy/trevor fitzroy (mutant power of layla miller). though there are many others i don't care to mention atm

kabuto literally just has more to choose from in this scenario, and is not LIMITED to just " the buddhist realm" in this tournament (if it mattered) buddhism is only an influence, not a law

psycho gundam
moar..... i own this page

kimimaro

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/bones1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/bones2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/bones3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/bones4.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/Kimimaro_vs_Gaara_Rock_Lee.jpg

another battlefield covering maneuver

muu

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/invisibility.png
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/invisibility2.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/dust1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/dust2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/dust3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/dust4.jpg

^ that dematerializes matter within the blast, like so:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/dust5.jpg

yo5921DSs6A&feature

animated form of the same thing cause it's a little vague in the manga

psycho gundam
Legion

so we had legion put up a force field and his "psychic bunker/fortress" about himself

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks4.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/psybunker.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/bunkereffects.jpg

(he used his tk to keep the blackbird from crashing, that of coarse could have been destroyed by him in a variety of ways)

and use teleportation abilities to position simbon's team within the bunker

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks4.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks5.jpg
(yes, he even controls where his opponents will be on the field so there is no escape smile )

then boom! (with conjunction with magneto and our summons this is cake, and everything can be repeated)



--some of his TP--

takes out the x-men (including xavier (though this was a younger xavier due to time travel))

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/freezehealmindblast.jpg

and he casually interrupts forge's fight with mystique in order to mind rape her into fetal position.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/mindattacks4.jpg

so this is basically bad all around for simbon smile

his suits get ripped apart and/or the people within mentally destroyed

Simbon
Originally posted by leonidas


by the rules, by inimal's decree, the summons are LEGAL.

Unless you are referring to a PM, the only thing Inimalist decreed is that the unkillability of your summons wasn't an issue in relation to defying the unkillable rule, and that Joseph is high meta. Everything else he has left to the judges. Which means you still have not dealt with the fact that at his time of death, Cable was merged -- meaning that you would have to be able to demonstrate the ability to separating the different genetic materials, and also demonstrate the ability to summon a character from previous moments in their life (from what I've read, it appears the characters brought back with this method recall their last instants, so this does not seem to be the case), since at time of death Cable was well above the summoning limit. Even if you were able to prove both points, the issue of the "Pure World" remains an insoluble barrier to bringing back the marvel characters: http://ani-haven.net/hr-alpha/Naruto/521/13

As for the ninjas, PG has very kindly saved me the trouble of uploading the scans that show them leveling cities, uprooting mountains, etc. As I said, these abilities alone would put them above high meta, and the fact that they are unkillable is just the frosting on the cake. Tellingly, Leo and PG have never claimed that the most powerful of these characters are below low-herald, and have instead tried to make the claim that Inimalist already decreed these characters as high-meta, which he never did. Thanks for the scans, PG.

Almost forgot. Kang can dismiss magical summons. Gets rid of an army of demons with a wave of his hands: http://imageshack.us/f/827/strangetales13404.jpg/

Again, the uselessness of your summons is hopelessly overdetermined.

Originally posted by leonidas



okay, let's dispense with this line of thought immediately. let's see what we ACTUALLY have him doing. at the outset he and joseph go in with shields up. they are untiring so combined they easily weather your 1-2 second assault (which scan says the bombs can destroy cities, btw? so many scans i may have simply missed it...) regardless--on his OWN his shields can block the power of a po'd PHOENIX!

http://imageshack.us/f/405/classicxmen01816tn3.jpg/

after that, they continue to keep their shields up. we dispense with the condensing shield almost immediately as there is no real need for it once we realize the bulk of your forces are robotic in nature, and those who are not have plenty of metal around for us to play with. mags IS cloaked and we have already shown scans that he can still use his powers WHILE cloaked. add to that the idea that he can't get tired and there is no reason whatsoever to assume he can't keep up his shields and be undetectable. finally, we have him destroying your forces, along with scores of cables and his own, untiring clone, joseph.

you say we're using no-limits with mags? the things we have him doing (without fear of tiring, don't forget) are certainly NOTHING compared to THIS little feat, performed by a WEAKENED MAGNETO!



it doesn't end there. he's also had a shield erected around him for the 24hrs AND he's blocked even EMMA from being able to touch him with tp. and there was the rest of course, like where he actually seperated a PHASED kitty from the bullet itself and then sent the bullet away (via wormhole???)



an absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE feat. did i mention he was weakened??

yet you think we're giving him too much to do? 24hrs. invincible shield. untouchable to tp. controlling a planet killing bullet that is LIGHTYEARS away. seperating a phased kitty from said bullet and getting rid of it. all that WHILE WEAKENED.

and WE ARE OVERTAXING A NON-TIRING MAGS?? no expression

here is another scan of mags dealing with multiple sentinels:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/717763/Civil_War_House_of_M_01_Zone-Megan_pg21-22.jpg.html

mags has grown up fighting sentinels......

as for a large number of robots: a simple scan, but this is effortless stuff for mags:

http://imageshack.us/f/127/captainamerica367actsofmf6.jpg/

then there's this:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/6733926/x-men_534_1_legion_wezz_cps_dcp_028_029.jpg.html

and just what is mags capable of if there is enough metal around? how much CAN he do with it? well, there is this little feat:

http://imageshack.us/f/100/homcivilwar02zonemeganptu7.jpg/

yeah, he raised a friggin MOUNTAIN RANGE. yet you don't think that--WITH HELP FROM JOSEPH--he could literally SHRED your forces of robots, simply bfr them out of the atmosphere or miles into the ocean? along with simply turning them into lethal weapons to use against your guys, all these things are easily availabvle options. joseph could take out dozens or scores of your guys as well by just opening the earth and letting it swallow them:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4781/magsripsapartground8du.jpg

we have ways of wiping out massive amounts of your troops--EASILY and again, making others turn to fight for us or simply using parts of them to wipe out more of your guys.

methinks thou art SEVERELY underestimating magneto's power levels....

There are so many funny things about this it is hard to know where to start. Maybe with the part that says: "How foolish you are to accuse us of overextending Magneto's powers! ... We are now rescinding the most ambitious, unverified use of those powers," and yet, a few posts later, PG still maintains that Magneto is doing the contracting bubble. Nice.

Then there are the repeated reminders that Magneto did these things in a weakened condition, as if that meant anything, since all of Magneto's best feats have been done while weakened. Sadly for you, "Regular Magneto" (I guess Inimalist used the qualifier because he meant that only Magneto's most extreme feats should be used, and that those feats should be misrepresented as low feats) is somewhat less impressive than weakened Magneto.

Then there is the use of a non-canon scan to demonstrate that Magneto can take on multiple sentinels, coupled with images of Magneto taking out featless metallic robots made by Red Skull. Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

Then there is the fact that you are stressing how impressive it is that Magneto can lift up a chunk of mountains -- when one of your summons, who is supposed to be high-meta or lower, has already been shown to pull a similar feat. Once again, you underline your essential dishonesty regarding your summons.

Considering that you are under assault from literally dozens of high-metas (scores, depending on how you rate sentinels), many of whom have powers tailor made to disrupt your own, the only way of assuming Magneto disposes of them "effortlessly" is to assume that Magneto is operating at levels beyond even those he displayed while fighting the avengers -- in other words, levels arguably beyond high herald, and well beyond low herald. Your argument for Magneto's powers could have almost been written by Carver -- "Damn! I didn't even realize how powerful Magneto was!" Give us all a break, dude.

As for the strength of the dozens of bombs I'm hitting you with: http://imageshack.us/f/87/ff32319.jpg/

As for the scan of Kang's cloaks fooling Galactus, Nova, Surfer, and Dr. Strange: http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Kang-Tech/Tech_cloaking.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Kang-Tech/Tech_cloaking2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Kang-Tech/Tech_cloaking3.jpg

As for us finding Mags, it is actually incredibly easy: At the very beginning of the battle, we have already peppered the field with blasts, meaning that any point of resistance will be quite simple to detect. Also, your little ninjas aren't cloaked, so that's also a pretty good clue.

As for getting past your shields: my summons can already get past your shields in multiple ways : power-inversion (Nullitor), Darkforce (Blackout), Harmonic destablization (Deathunt), two ebony blades (why would you assume that the hilt of the blade is made out of different metal? Scans?), magic etherialization (Flying Dutchman's Ghost). What's more, your shields are spread over an area, since they also protect Kabuto. Unless Mags and Kabuto are closer than two roaches in a bacon bit, I can just boomtube inside of them and hit you from there. Even if I'm outside of the shields, the containment fields already worked on a combat-ready Magneto, and the Ultra-Diode ray has pierced IW's shields (see initial post), so there is no problem there. In short, I have the drop on you and you are defenseless.

Simbon

psycho gundam
Kang is nowhere to be seen in those scans

nice

leonidas

Simbon
It seems you apply your strategy of wishful denial even to reading scans; Kang is in several of them.

Simbon
Originally posted by leonidas


made me actually laugh at my keyboard. if you don't know or like the rules, methinks you should not have joined


At least we both make each other laugh, Leo. I'm afraid that throughout this match, it's been I who knew the rules and your team that didn't seem to much care for them.

psycho gundam
I can assure you sikbin that legion's eplosion on muir island was not a self-detonation that required any form of healing whatsoever, and with the psychic bunker in place your tech implodes and/or stops working, so the "suicide mission" statement perplexes me. I'll try and post the resulting page feom my phone

leonidas
Originally posted by Simbon
Unless you are referring to a PM, the only thing Inimalist decreed is that the unkillability of your summons wasn't an issue in relation to defying the unkillable rule, and that Joseph is high meta.

yep. so i have no idea what 'rule violations' you keep crying foul about....



dna is dna. rules dictate we could NOT have god cable. by definition, and by inimal's decree, our summons are legal. again. i have no idea why you'd think he couldn't use the dna he got to bring them back, and this pure world stuff has already been dealt with by pg AND it was already accepted in the previous match. can't really say more since that is pg's guy, so i'll leave it at that.



already.
declared.
legal.

no expression

and have you actually READ the write ups of some of the guys you've summoned.....? have you met my friend kettle....?



nope. because it became self-evident when they were declared legal.



cool. so, you drop your forcefield to do so.....? shifty btw, i'd love to see a scan that shows you doing pretty well ANYTHING WHILE you have a forcefield up!



huh? after i said it is NOT being used, pg never again said it WAS. regardless, mags is MY character and discarding a forcefield isn't really all that tough and only makes sense given what we met on the battlefield.



laughing out loud well, then imagine what a tireless, at-full-strength mags can do!



damn, will you ever stop complaining? he meant what he said. all feats from mags are fine. you're not even debating at this point, just whining and trying to misrepresent inimal's intent.



yeah, that scan was non-canon. i'd apologize, but you'd likely say it was intentional so i'll not bother. and YOU'RE not meant to be impressed. it was to show the judges what mag's would do to all YOUR robots.



you mean our legal summons'? don't think i've ever seen such chronic complaining in a match before. judges, please note the desperation obvious in the REPEATED complaints. he NEEDS for these things to be declared illegal (though they have ALREADY been declared legal) because otherwise he has zero chance in this match.



and.... there you go again. i should be thanking you though. your constant complaints about how powerful mags is, should only help us and add further credence to our team's ability to handle yours. inimal set the limit. the limit was mags. pm and complain to him. don't blame us for getting mags first. anyone could have drafted him.



laughing out loud

i didn't (nor would i have) even choose mags, pg did! i knew enough about him, but it wasn't til this thing started that i understood just how powerful he was. and..... i wasn't putting forth an argument, i was stating a fact. between your tangential 'arguments' and constant cries of foul, it's hard to make out what has any real substance in your posts.



sweet, glad we got 2 mags and that both are inexhaustible.



yeah, been waiting for those. judges will of course no doubt understand immediately why he didn't really seem to WANT to post them and why i specifically requested them.

(a) he refers to them as OUR shields, throwing into clear doubt just whose shields they really were, kang's or doom's or a combo of the 2. (b) despite this great cloak, they had to HIDE IN THE CAVES. (c) you'll notice they NEVER ATTACKED. hell, they were STILL so afraid they hid despite the cloaking! you need to ask WHY would they have hidden. well, it would seem they did not want to be SEEN. there is no way at all to suppose from those scans that they would have been hidden from simple SIGHT had one of them been seen. there was no indication they were invisible at all--to the contrary, if they were invisible running to hide would have been unnecessary. being invisible to distant scans does not mean they could have walked up to ss or strange and attacked them!! that leap is illogical and clearly refuted on panel. as soon as they appeared directly in front of us we would see them. no cave to hide in this time, even if you believe kang DOES have such a cloak.



you still wouldn't know PRECISLEY where we are, and as soon as you showed up you'd be pounded with tk, tp and a host of other attacks. no cave to hide in..... wink

love to see scans of you attacking through your shields again.....



first, you somehow seem to think all your guys suddenly 'reach' us, despite the fact that most are dealt with by our summons and most are slaughtered by magneto and joseph almost immediately. i already pointed out how much metal your guys have on or around them (just not a very effective force to use against 2 magnetos...) secondly, you've no proof whatsoever that ANY of those things would work against our shielding anyway, when nearly NOTHING has broken mag's shields in the past. your robots are utterly decimated (seriously, robots against mags???) and of course we have kabuto close. he's defenseless otherwise....

as for the blades--the fact he can control mjnolnir supports my opinion. what supports yours?

leonidas

psycho gundam
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I can assure you sikbin that legion's eplosion on muir island was not a self-detonation that required any form of healing whatsoever, and with the psychic bunker in place your tech implodes and/or stops working, so the "suicide mission" statement perplexes me. I'll try and post the resulting page feom my phone http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/telekineticcapture.jpg

^ for context, shadow king possessed his body from the astral plane, and succeeded cause david's mind was fractured, though after that shadow king united all of the split personalities in legion's mind in order to use his body better; thus "legion quest" legion.

thanks shadow king smile

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about using iron man feats in place of kang's concerning magneto: it doesn't qualify cause magneto is a probable opponent for iron man to come across in his universe, kang comes from more than 2 millenia in the future without a magneto to even justify making a suit defense for.

Simbon

Simbon
Originally posted by leonidas
yep. so i have no idea what 'rule violations' you keep crying foul about....



dna is dna. rules dictate we could NOT have god cable. by definition, and by inimal's decree, our summons are legal. again. i have no idea why you'd think he couldn't use the dna he got to bring them back, and this pure world stuff has already been dealt with by pg AND it was already accepted in the previous match. can't really say more since that is pg's guy, so i'll leave it at that.



already.
declared.
legal.

no expression

and have you actually READ the write ups of some of the guys you've summoned.....? have you met my friend kettle....?



nope. because it became self-evident when they were declared legal.

As expected, Leo continues to offer blanket denials, and simply ignores the problem of extracting the DNA in the first place since Cable was melded, and the fact that at time of death the melded cables had been self-amped to the point where Leo can't summon them. While PG has insisted that the "pure world" is not an issue, I have shown a scan proving that it is. Leo accuses me of hypocrisy regarding my summons, but anyone who has actually read the appearances of these characters (as I have) will have noticed that I was actually extremely careful in who I put on the list of summons and who I did not. They will have noticed, for instance, that Skurge, Neut, and the Macrobots are not on that list. I wouldn't even dream of trying to sneak a summon capable of uprooting mountains or leveling a city past the judges.


Originally posted by leonidas

cool. so, you drop your forcefield to do so.....? shifty btw, i'd love to see a scan that shows you doing pretty well ANYTHING WHILE you have a forcefield up!

You mean, like this? http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1107/youngavengers05page11.jpg


Originally posted by leonidas

huh? after i said it is NOT being used, pg never again said it WAS.

He did. Read his posts.

Originally posted by leonidas

yeah, that scan was non-canon. i'd apologize, but you'd likely say it was intentional so i'll not bother.

I thought it was intentional, but your tone convinces me that it was not; but you still haven't shown regular Magneto taking on dozens of Sentinels simultaneously. In fact, you haven't shown him taking on a force even approaching my team's firepower.


Originally posted by leonidas

you mean our legal summons'? don't think i've ever seen such chronic complaining in a match before. judges, please note the desperation obvious in the REPEATED complaints. he NEEDS for these things to be declared illegal (though they have ALREADY been declared legal) because otherwise he has zero chance in this match.

laughing I'm afraid the desperation here is in your substitution of claptrap for actual arguments, or "complaints" as you call them. I am not happy about repeating myself, but as you have repeatedly failed to address the many holes in your plan, while simultaneously pretending that offering a false solution to one problem addresses all of the others, I'm inevitably forced to draw attention to this deficit. The fact of the matter is that it is your team that NEEDS to accomplish things beyond its means, because without them you have zero chance.


Originally posted by leonidas

yeah, been waiting for those. judges will of course no doubt understand immediately why he didn't really seem to WANT to post them and why i specifically requested them.

(a) he refers to them as OUR shields, throwing into clear doubt just whose shields they really were, kang's or doom's or a combo of the 2. (b) despite this great cloak, they had to HIDE IN THE CAVES. (c) you'll notice they NEVER ATTACKED. hell, they were STILL so afraid they hid despite the cloaking! you need to ask WHY would they have hidden. well, it would seem they did not want to be SEEN. there is no way at all to suppose from those scans that they would have been hidden from simple SIGHT had one of them been seen. there was no indication they were invisible at all--to the contrary, if they were invisible running to hide would have been unnecessary. being invisible to distant scans does not mean they could have walked up to ss or strange and attacked them!! that leap is illogical and clearly refuted on panel.

Finally, an actual attempt at argument! Unfortunately for you, my surprise attack has little or nothing to do with my characters visibility, and everything to do with their ability to prevent Magneto from receiving an advanced forewarning of their materialization behind him. Not that it matters. Anyway you cut it, his shields get taken down (have already been bypassed, as I've shown, by the containment field, which Kang generates with his armor, or by an anti-matter screen, or by any of the innumerable techniques I've already mentioned; or I can just teleport inside of them, further obviating the possibility of being attacked by all the summons my opponents' don't even have), and he dies in short order.

Originally posted by leonidas
you've no proof whatsoever that ANY of those things would work against our shielding anyway, when nearly NOTHING has broken mag's shields in the past. your robots are utterly decimated (seriously, robots against mags???) and of course we have kabuto close. he's defenseless otherwise....

as for the blades--the fact he can control mjnolnir supports my opinion. what supports yours?

Unlike Mjolnir, the blade isn't thrown, and can just absorb the magnetic fields Magneto would use to manipulate it, unless you can post scans proving otherwise. As for all of the attacks on your shielding, Nullitor was able to turn Mjolnir's energies back against themselves, so Magneto's shield should be a piece of cake; Deathhunt is also an EM manipulator and can take down electromagnetic fields:
http://imageshack.us/f/69/deathhunt2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/deathhunt.jpg/

The ebony blades have, so far as I know, never failed against a forcefield, and can even reflect the power of Zeus; Flying Dutchman is a magical, telekinetic, ethereal ghost who ignored the Vision's phasing attack and then took out the Vision with a phasing attack in turn.

Simbon
Originally posted by leonidas

nice crop job. later in that issue mags--again--owns tony. and you keep telling US we're being less than honest somehow?? you've also seen a LATER model tony controlled via his BLOOD. and mags did affect doom briefly, but i already said doom has tech SPECIFIC to mags.

doom=/=kang. your whole argument is based on the fact that is doom can do it, so can kang. it is NOT about the armor, it is about DOOM himself and the fact that he has faced and analyzed mag's power. kang has NOT. to say he can do what doom can do "just because" is laughable logic to say the very least.

Wasn't me who cropped it. And yet again you are ignoring the point; even lesser versions of Tony have countered Mags' powers, Doom has done so repeatedly, and contrary to your claims this is not at all about prepping specifically to fight for Magneto, but simply about the qualities of high-end power armor in comics. Like I said, why doesn't the armor issue matter for HE, Khoon, etc.? Obviously, because herald level armor and shielding is good enough to resist such basic attacks. Magneto has never defeated Armor of Kang's caliber before, and would fail against the forcefield even if I didn't have the coating, which just makes Leo's argument even more ridiculous.


Originally posted by leonidas


now you're a daxamite! and you somehow have the balls to complain about mag's being too powerful though he defines the cap! precious. and of course, no real proof to support any of that. sounds like a trip through wikipedia to me.....

Everything I mentioned as either already been posted by me here, or can easily be looked up on Kang's respect thread. You already know most of it anyway, so spare us the disingenuous "trip through wikipedia" spiel.

Originally posted by leonidas

how are we contained again? where is the scan of this 'weaponized' containment thingy? WHO depowers us again? your ROBOT???

You seem to have trouble reading the scans. The containment fields, as already shown (see the part of my initial post about containment fields) are from Kang's armor, while the depowering effect comes from the ultradiode ray, of which I also posted numerous scans. I also have other immobilizing effects from the simple spectrum inverter and omega barrier.

Originally posted by leonidas
mantis=/= legion. that comparison is ridiculous. you know it. i know it. and the judges will see why you didn't submit this 'proof' much sooner in the match...

Legion died before he could even use TP, which would have just been reflected by the coating anyway. I didn't submit the scan because I didn't get around to it, and because it didn't seem important, as your telepath is dead at the git-go.


Throughout this match, my opponents have attempted to evade all of the problems with their plan, while simultaneously claiming that their inability on this front is evidence of my own team's weakness. In general, they have substituted denial, bluff and bravado for strategy. I have answered all of their critiques, while they have simply attempted to sidestep mine.

Simbon
Hey guys, sorry about posting so close to the deadline (I know you understand, PG).

psycho gundam
the next physical ill you suffer will be endorsed by me since i cannot do it myself.

i will except paper cuts and stomach aches


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summary

we have him on every angle

psycho gundam

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the next physical ill you suffer will be endorsed by me since i cannot do it myself.

i will except paper cuts and stomach aches


laughing As the judges can see, my opponents even admit that they are incapable of delivering the kind of attacks on me that they are advocating. What's more, they have failed utterly to provide so much as a single scan suggesting that an opponent as powerful as myself would be vulnerable to paper cuts or stomach aches. stick out tongue

psycho gundam
the judges will only see your whining in place of offensive/defensive capabilities. get the preparation-H for your chronic butt-hurt biscuits

Simbon
Get the preparation-H ready? Dude, I'm not touching you there, so get a mirror and apply it yourself. You should have lubed your entrance before we started.

Simbon
Originally posted by Simbon
Get the preparation-H ready? Dude, I'm not touching you there, so get a mirror and apply it yourself. You should have lubed your entrance before we started.

Simbon
Woops, quoted myself.

leonidas
ah well, can't say it wasn't entertaining. smile

do we even have judges......? confused

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