Originally posted by leonidas
by the rules, by inimal's decree, the summons are LEGAL.
Unless you are referring to a PM, the only thing Inimalist decreed is that the unkillability of your summons wasn't an issue in relation to defying the unkillable rule, and that Joseph is high meta. Everything else he has left to the judges. Which means you still have not dealt with the fact that at his time of death, Cable was merged -- meaning that you would have to be able to demonstrate the ability to separating the different genetic materials, and also demonstrate the ability to summon a character from previous moments in their life (from what I've read, it appears the characters brought back with this method recall their last instants, so this does not seem to be the case), since at time of death Cable was well above the summoning limit. Even if you were able to prove both points, the issue of the "Pure World" remains an insoluble barrier to bringing back the marvel characters: http://ani-haven.net/hr-alpha/Naruto/521/13
As for the ninjas, PG has very kindly saved me the trouble of uploading the scans that show them leveling cities, uprooting mountains, etc. As I said, these abilities alone would put them above high meta, and the fact that they are unkillable is just the frosting on the cake. Tellingly, Leo and PG have never claimed that the most powerful of these characters are below low-herald, and have instead tried to make the claim that Inimalist already decreed these characters as high-meta, which he never did. Thanks for the scans, PG.
Almost forgot. Kang can dismiss magical summons. Gets rid of an army of demons with a wave of his hands: http://imageshack.us/f/827/strangetales13404.jpg/
Again, the uselessness of your summons is hopelessly overdetermined.
Originally posted by leonidas
okay, let's dispense with this line of thought immediately. let's see what we ACTUALLY have him doing. at the outset he and joseph go in with shields up. they are untiring so combined they easily weather your 1-2 second assault (which scan says the bombs can destroy cities, btw? so many scans i may have simply missed it...) regardless--on his OWN his shields can block the power of a po'd PHOENIX!
after that, they continue to keep their shields up. we dispense with the condensing shield almost immediately as there is no real need for it once we realize the bulk of your forces are robotic in nature, and those who are not have plenty of metal around for us to play with. mags IS cloaked and we have already shown scans that he can still use his powers WHILE cloaked. add to that the idea that he can't get tired and there is no reason whatsoever to assume he can't keep up his shields and be undetectable. finally, we have him destroying your forces, along with scores of cables and his own, untiring clone, joseph.
you say we're using no-limits with mags? the things we have him doing (without fear of tiring, don't forget) are certainly NOTHING compared to THIS little feat, performed by a WEAKENED MAGNETO!
it doesn't end there. he's also had a shield erected around him for the 24hrs AND he's blocked even EMMA from being able to touch him with tp. and there was the rest of course, like where he actually seperated a PHASED kitty from the bullet itself and then sent the bullet away (via wormhole???)
an absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE feat. did i mention he was weakened??
yet you think we're giving him too much to do? 24hrs. invincible shield. untouchable to tp. controlling a planet killing bullet that is LIGHTYEARS away. seperating a phased kitty from said bullet and getting rid of it. all that WHILE WEAKENED.
and WE ARE OVERTAXING A NON-TIRING MAGS??
here is another scan of mags dealing with multiple sentinels:
mags has grown up fighting sentinels......
as for a large number of robots: a simple scan, but this is effortless stuff for mags:
then there's this:
and just what is mags capable of if there is enough metal around? how much CAN he do with it? well, there is this little feat:
yeah, he raised a friggin MOUNTAIN RANGE. yet you don't think that--WITH HELP FROM JOSEPH--he could literally SHRED your forces of robots, simply bfr them out of the atmosphere or miles into the ocean? along with simply turning them into lethal weapons to use against your guys, all these things are easily availabvle options. joseph could take out dozens or scores of your guys as well by just opening the earth and letting it swallow them:
we have ways of wiping out massive amounts of your troops--EASILY and again, making others turn to fight for us or simply using parts of them to wipe out more of your guys.
methinks thou art SEVERELY underestimating magneto's power levels....
There are so many funny things about this it is hard to know where to start. Maybe with the part that says: "How foolish you are to accuse us of overextending Magneto's powers! ... We are now rescinding the most ambitious, unverified use of those powers," and yet, a few posts later, PG still maintains that Magneto is doing the contracting bubble. Nice.
Then there are the repeated reminders that Magneto did these things in a weakened condition, as if that meant anything, since all of Magneto's best feats have been done while weakened. Sadly for you, "Regular Magneto" (I guess Inimalist used the qualifier because he meant that only Magneto's most extreme feats should be used, and that those feats should be misrepresented as low feats) is somewhat less impressive than weakened Magneto.
Then there is the use of a non-canon scan to demonstrate that Magneto can take on multiple sentinels, coupled with images of Magneto taking out featless metallic robots made by Red Skull. Pardon me if I'm not impressed.
Then there is the fact that you are stressing how impressive it is that Magneto can lift up a chunk of mountains -- when one of your summons, who is supposed to be high-meta or lower, has already been shown to pull a similar feat. Once again, you underline your essential dishonesty regarding your summons.
Considering that you are under assault from literally dozens of high-metas (scores, depending on how you rate sentinels), many of whom have powers tailor made to disrupt your own, the only way of assuming Magneto disposes of them "effortlessly" is to assume that Magneto is operating at levels beyond even those he displayed while fighting the avengers -- in other words, levels arguably beyond high herald, and well beyond low herald. Your argument for Magneto's powers could have almost been written by Carver -- "Damn! I didn't even realize how powerful Magneto was!" Give us all a break, dude.
As for the strength of the dozens of bombs I'm hitting you with: http://imageshack.us/f/87/ff32319.jpg/
As for the scan of Kang's cloaks fooling Galactus, Nova, Surfer, and Dr. Strange: http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Kang%20the%20Conqueror/Kang-Tech/Tech_cloaking.jpg
As for us finding Mags, it is actually incredibly easy: At the very beginning of the battle, we have already peppered the field with blasts, meaning that any point of resistance will be quite simple to detect. Also, your little ninjas aren't cloaked, so that's also a pretty good clue.
As for getting past your shields: my summons can already get past your shields in multiple ways : power-inversion (Nullitor), Darkforce (Blackout), Harmonic destablization (Deathunt), two ebony blades (why would you assume that the hilt of the blade is made out of different metal? Scans?), magic etherialization (Flying Dutchman's Ghost). What's more, your shields are spread over an area, since they also protect Kabuto. Unless Mags and Kabuto are closer than two roaches in a bacon bit, I can just boomtube inside of them and hit you from there. Even if I'm outside of the shields, the containment fields already worked on a combat-ready Magneto, and the Ultra-Diode ray has pierced IW's shields (see initial post), so there is no problem there. In short, I have the drop on you and you are defenseless.