WWH's Brick Gauntlet

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Harbinger
Since there's a debate on just how strong Hulk currently is, maybe a gauntlet can gauge it.

Full rest in between each fight. No BFR allowed, only KO/kill. How far does he get?

1. Mangog (Jurgens)
2. Kurse
3. Konvikt
4. The General
5. Vices and Virtue Despero
6. Hunter/Prey Doomsday
7. Mangog (Silver Age)

carver9
He stalemates at Silver Age Mangog.

Sundipped
Stopped dead in his tracks at 6.

carver9
Doomsday isn't beyond physical damage. Hulk would kill him.

Sundipped
Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday isn't beyond physical damage. Hulk would kill him.

H/P DD has evolved beyond the physical damage Hulk can dish out.

carver9
No he hasn't since he never faced anyone physically on Hulks level back then. Current Supes is much stronger than the Supes that Doomsday faced back then. I would give him the majority as well.

Doomsday is over rated. Who was the strongest guy that THAT version of Doomsday shrugged off punches from?

psycho gundam
doomsday adapts to physical damage (limited organs in torso, bones around remaining organs in chest/head, and bone weaponry for combat), not evolve past it to the point it is ineffectual

it literally took him iirc hundreds of years to get to the point he fought the radiant, and up till then he was getting torn up from pre-krypton's most dangerous creatures whom only had their natural means of causing harm.

vansonbee
Originally posted by carver9
He stalemates at Silver Age Mangog. or gets stomp!

Hulk is more diverse with his quick thinking compared to other bricks. He seem to be more flexible and fast pace compared to the average brick, like Juggernaut for example (slow).

Batman-Prime
He makes it till 4 IF he makes it past 2.

Gecko4lif
I have my doubts he passes kurse

Sundipped
Originally posted by carver9
No he hasn't since he never faced anyone physically on Hulks level back then. Current Supes is much stronger than the Supes that Doomsday faced back then. I would give him the majority as well.

Doomsday is over rated. Who was the strongest guy that THAT version of Doomsday shrugged off punches from?

I could say the same thing about Hulk being overated too.

Exactly what level is Hulk physically now? What is Hulk going to do to DD? Beating on him is not going to get the job done. This version killed Radiant and beat Superman (with weapons) with extreme ease.

Sundipped
Originally posted by psycho gundam
doomsday adapts to physical damage (limited organs in torso, bones around remaining organs in chest/head, and bone weaponry for combat), not evolve past it to the point it is ineffectual.

Yeah I know what youre saying. I was just saying that I don't think it'll help his case much.

carver9
Originally posted by Sundipped
I could say the same thing about Hulk being overated too.

Exactly what level is Hulk physically now? What is Hulk going to do to DD? Beating on him is not going to get the job done. This version killed Radiant and beat Superman (with weapons) with extreme ease.

HP Doomsday wouldn't beat current Supes imo. Supes has become much stronger. Hulk would phusically crush him. This is a guy that mere footstep during his fight against Skaar created 100 trillion tons worth of force (in which Skaar absorbed).

Simbon
Jurgen's Mangog still beat the crap out of Thor. Hulk stops at 1.

carver9
Jurgens Mangog did nothing impressive to suggest he could beat Hulk and Rulk beat the crap out of Thor that was amped with the Odin Power and Current Hulk treated this same Rulk like he was fighting a child.

Hulk clears this.

Harbinger
Still lol at the "OH WELL TEH SPACE HAZ ZERO GRAVITY SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT RULK CAN LIFT MJOLNIR AMIRITE!!!!!" Dear God that fight was a travesty.

Sundipped
Originally posted by carver9
HP Doomsday wouldn't beat current Supes imo. Supes has become much stronger. Hulk would phusically crush him. This is a guy that mere footstep during his fight against Skaar created 100 trillion tons worth of force (in which Skaar absorbed).

It's questionable to me if any Hulk can beat any Supes. But thats another story.

It's gona take more than a footstep fighting DD. DD is a fighting machine used to taking punishment. IMO any version of Supes is still formidble. To be able to fight him for a full day and kill him is a testament and then come back and basically toy with him the next time is another. Hulk is not physically crushing him.

dmills
I honestly think he'd fight for his life just to get past 1 or 2., let alone clearing it.

Lulz @ anyone thinking he beats silver age Mangog!

@psycho,

Please get your boy under control lol!

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Simbon
Jurgen's Mangog still beat the crap out of Thor. Hulk stops at 1. latest hulk issues kinda mess with that a bit.

to put it into some context: savage hulk and thor are peers in strength, jurgens mangog beat the tar out of thor (minus asgardian power-ups and putting mjolnir into mangog's big, ever open mouth) and even with over-exaggerating his strength it's still within like 20x more than thor's

.......


hulk casually tore through bi-beast and wendigo (both of whom problematic for a time for savage hulk) while in normal state whilst the two were mystically amped a thousand fold, their size was also increased to apparently 150:1

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Originally posted by dmills
Lulz @ anyone thinking he beats silver age Mangog!

@psycho,

Please get your boy under control lol! carver's a rogue agent, but he does need to chill with his overzealous actions

dmills
Originally posted by psycho gundam
latest hulk issues kinda mess with that a bit.

to put it into some context: savage hulk and thor are peers in strength, jurgens mangog beat the tar out of thor (minus asgardian power-ups and putting mjolnir into mangog's big, ever open mouth) and even with over-exaggerating his strength it's still within like 20x more than thor's

.......


hulk casually tore through bi-beast and wendigo (both of whom problematic for a time for savage hulk) while in normal state whilst the two were mystically amped a thousand fold, their size was also increased to apparently 150:1

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/4-1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/5.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/6.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/7.jpg

carver's a rogue agent, but he does need to chill with his overzealous actions


You know what? You make a helluva case with that latest hulk issue. I'd forgotten this but Bi-beast never lost to Savage straight up IIRC and we all know how powerful Wedigo was. Current Hulk doggystyled them in that last issue and did so while they were amped at that. Not to mention Fin fang foom off panel as well.

I change my opinion. He makes it past the first four for sure. Not sure about the rest but it wouldn't surprise me if he made it to Silver age. He'd stop hard there though.

Note to Carver9. ^^^Now that's how you make a good case wink

psycho gundam
well, it's not that great a case or anything but mangog and all of the rest of them are not walking through hulk, it wasn't the case then and it definitely isn't the case these days.

iceman24567
Despero pummels him

dmills
Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, it's not that great a case or anything but mangog and all of the rest of them are not walking through hulk, it wasn't the case then and it definitely isn't the case these days.

Actually it is if a person has a mind that functions properly. If a guy is mowing over people that he has previously stalmated in the past then that should give a pretty good indication of how powerful he is. You phuck up an AMPED Bi-beast then that's a damn nice feat.

Sin I AM
he's not beating kurse

psycho gundam
^ why not? shifty

carver9
Originally posted by dmills
You know what? You make a helluva case with that latest hulk issue. I'd forgotten this but Bi-beast never lost to Savage straight up IIRC and we all know how powerful Wedigo was. Current Hulk doggystyled them in that last issue and did so while they were amped at that. Not to mention Fin fang foom off panel as well.

I change my opinion. He makes it past the first four for sure. Not sure about the rest but it wouldn't surprise me if he made it to Silver age. He'd stop hard there though.

Note to Carver9. ^^^Now that's how you make a good case wink

I said all that before and gundam got that from me. You all just ignored it when I said it.

I also said during my first post that he will not get past Silver Age Mangog and it would probably end in a stalemate.

Simbon
I agree w/ PG that Hulk's most recent appearances have been impressive (however, I do not agree with Carver that hulk's most recent appearances have been pretty impressive) -- but I would actually argue that the amps to Bi-beast and Wendigo make it less useful. Often in comics, a character will defeat an "amped" opponent who actually appears less impressive than in his normal form in order to make that character seem more impressive; likewise, many characters' best feats are done while they are "weakened." I still find Savage Hulk's feats against teams of established heroes more impressive than Hulk's recent showings. We'll see though, I may yet be converted. For now, though, Jurgen's Mangog is still beating WWH.

psycho gundam
buuut, the characters hulk beat down lately have been hulk specific villains. the writers are blatantly showing him castrate these guys with ease, as there only purpose is to show the expanded gulf there is between them and hulk now.

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
I also said during my first post that he will not get past Silver Age Mangog and it would probably end in a stalemate.

Originally posted by carver9
Jurgens Mangog did nothing impressive to suggest he could beat Hulk and Rulk beat the crap out of Thor that was amped with the Odin Power and Current Hulk treated this same Rulk like he was fighting a child.

Hulk clears this.

Seems you've said quite a few different things erm

Sin I AM
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ why not? shifty



Kurse prior to his death, was imo the most physically dominating being in MU imo

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Kurse prior to his death, was imo the most physically dominating being in MU imo k...

Sin I AM
Originally posted by psycho gundam
k...




evil face .........come at me PG

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Harbinger
Still lol at the "OH WELL TEH SPACE HAZ ZERO GRAVITY SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT RULK CAN LIFT MJOLNIR AMIRITE!!!!!" Dear God that fight was a travesty.

especially considering space does have gravity

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
buuut, the characters hulk beat down lately have been hulk specific villains. the writers are blatantly showing him castrate these guys with ease, as there only purpose is to show the expanded gulf there is between them and hulk now.

That may well be the case, but no one jobs like a home-team villain -- it would be much more impressive to see him going up against some high-end heroes, or somebody else's villains. It should also be pointed out that Hulk's power levels have fluctuated massively in the last several years, often without explanation. I need more before I'm convinced that these last few issues aren't just a flash in the pan.

dmills
Originally posted by Simbon
I agree w/ PG that Hulk's most recent appearances have been impressive (however, I do not agree with Carver that hulk's most recent appearances have been pretty impressive) -- but I would actually argue that the amps to Bi-beast and Wendigo make it less useful. Often in comics, a character will defeat an "amped" opponent who actually appears less impressive than in his normal form in order to make that character seem more impressive; likewise, many characters' best feats are done while they are "weakened." I still find Savage Hulk's feats against teams of established heroes more impressive than Hulk's recent showings. We'll see though, I may yet be converted. For now, though, Jurgen's Mangog is still beating WWH.

While there's certainly some merit to what you're saying, there are some other key factors that play into this and like my man psycho alluded to, while on a pure feat for feat basis savage may seem better, in terms of writer's intent and portrayal, current Hulk is definitively superior. I'll respect the intent of Pak here.

I only got down on current Hulk when people started saying he'd be able to physically beat trans levelers and Skyfathers. Zeus laid that shyte to rest so I'm good now smile

Simbon
Originally posted by dmills
While there's certainly some merit to what you're saying, there are some other key factors that play into this and like my man psycho alluded to, while on a pure feat for feat basis savage may seem better, in terms of writer's intent and portrayal, current Hulk is definitively superior.

Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Sin I AM
evil face .........come at me PG i need some kurse feat please, untill then you get's nathan

as far as i see it kurse is a punching bag without superman speed to fall back on. there is no saving grace for him

Mindset
Hulk is officially the strongest comic character.

Simbon
SA Mangog would put Kurse on his shoulder like a pet monkey.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
he's not beating kurse

Why not? Because Kurse is 4 to 5 Times stronger than Thor. Well Savage was just as strong as Thor, probably stronger and Current Hulk fought 2 beings that were equal to Savage Hulk who again were equal to Thor strength wise and these being became at least a THOUSAND times more powerful than they were before (which again was equal to Thor and Savage) and current Hulk still stomped them.

Thor or Kurse isn't matching that kind of power at all.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Simbon
I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. come on bruh

Simbon
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk is officially the strongest comic character.

Not true. Didn't you read the issue where hulk tried to fight Ymir's penis? No matter how much Hulk grappled with his opponent, it just kept getting bigger and stronger. In the end, hulk was left bruised and battered, and almost drowned.

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
come on bruh

Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong.

dmills
Originally posted by Simbon
Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.

Each his own I guess. Refresh me on aoa?

carver9
Originally posted by Simbon
Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.

Well you are wrong buddy since both WWH and pissed Savage Hulk fought Rulk and Savage got his arm broke, choked to sleep, woke up, got killed, fought him again and got beat senseless whereas WWH beat that same Rulk in 2 panels. He then 1 shot Wendigo who stalemated Savage and then beat a more powerful version of the Wendigo who had a powerful partner aiding him which ended with Hulk punching both of them out of orbit.

What else do you want?

Then it was outright stated onpanel that Thor TEAMED UP WITH THE AVENGERS could not stop WWH/Current Hulk, even if they tried.

Simbon
Originally posted by carver9
Well you are wrong buddy since both WWH and pissed Savage Hulk fought Rulk and Savage got his arm broke, choked to sleep, woke up, got killed, fought him again and got beat senseless whereas WWH beat that same Rulk in 2 panels. He then 1 shot Wendigo who stalemated Savage and then beat a more powerful version of the Wendigo who had a powerful partner aiding him which ended with Hulk punching both of them out of orbit.

What else do you want?

Then it was outright stated onpanel that Thor TEAMED UP WITH THE AVENGERS could not stop WWH/Current Hulk, even if they tried.

Glad to hear from you Carver -- if my posts don't rile you up, then I know I'm doing something wrong. You are the only one who thinks those Rulk fights are a measure of anything. Ask yourself why. No, the answer is not "Everybody just hates Hulk." The answer is that when Rulk first appeared, he was so hopped up on Loeb-force he killed Grandmaster (immortal, above skyfather-level, etc.). I've told you why the Wendigo feat is less impressive than it sounds. As for the on-panel statement, on-panel statements have said that the Gods are afraid of approaching Apocalypse, and that Magneto is the most powerful man on earth.

I've told you what would persuade me: fights in which WWH was shown to be a greater team-threat than Savage Hulk, or physically dominates a top tier who could compete with Savage one-on-one. For instance, if WWH had a rulk-like victory over Thor (ignoring the hammer problem), and if this were consistent with other showings, I would accept these claims.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Simbon
Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. Originally posted by guy222
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psycho gundam
Originally posted by guy222
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carver9
Originally posted by Simbon
Glad to hear from you Carver -- if my posts don't rile you up, then I know I'm doing something wrong. You are the only one who thinks those Rulk fights are a measure of anything. Ask yourself why. No, the answer is not "Everybody just hates Hulk." The answer is that when Rulk first appeared, he was so hopped up on Loeb-force he killed Grandmaster (immortal, above skyfather-level, etc.). I've told you why the Wendigo feat is less impressive than it sounds. As for the on-panel statement, on-panel statements have said that the Gods are afraid of approaching Apocalypse, and that Magneto is the most powerful man on earth.

I've told you what would persuade me: fights in which WWH was shown to be a greater team-threat than Savage Hulk, or physically dominates a top tier who could compete with Savage one-on-one. For instance, if WWH had a rulk-like victory over Thor (ignoring the hammer problem), and if this were consistent with other showings, I would accept these claims.

Aaahhh....so we are playing the "throw everything out of the window game" because you don't like what happened? WWH fighting the same people that Savage Hulk fought and dominating them is proof of who is more powerful...no matter how much you don't like it. It being stated on panel by shield, Toni, Xavier, Reed, Wolverine, along with numerous of others is proof enough that WWH is significantly more powerful than Savage. It being stated on panel that the entire Avengers INCLUDING THOR wouldn't have been capable of stopping Current Hulk is proof of this (that was the main reason they threw Skaar out there...because they thought that he was the only one that had the potential to stop Current Hulk).

I don't know what else you are asking for. I guess they need to pit him against Galactus to prove a point and you still might not accept it.

Who is more powerful? Sundipped Superman or regular Superman?

dmills
Gotta agree with Carver here. Simbon you seem to be asking for an inordinate amount of proof in this case bro. In at least one case what you asked for was provided with current hulk destroying Wendigo and bi beast together. Both of whom have given savage hell in the past.

CosmicComet
Feats were simply superior in the Silver Age.

Grey Hulk smashing that huge asteroid is better than WWH's feats.

carver9
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Feats were simply superior in the Silver Age.

Grey Hulk smashing that huge asteroid is better than WWH's feats.

Naah, a weaker Hulk did something better on Planet sakaar. While in a weakened state, he held both ends of a splitting planet together with nothing but brute strength and Planet sakaar was twice the size of Earth. I would say that is superior than busting through an asteroid twice the size of Earth. What grey Hulk did leaned more on strength and durability whereas WWH was pure strength.

CosmicComet
I don't think its better at all.

At best, its fairly comparable.

Considering Grey Hulk is supposed to be a lower end Hulk, that's saying a lot.

Mindset
Ikr, a lower end Hulk can do that, and WWH > him.

Strongest character in fiction.

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam


I've already read it. It's a nice feat, but lots of low heralds have wrecked similar destruction.

Simbon
Originally posted by carver9
Aaahhh....so we are playing the "throw everything out of the window game" because you don't like what happened? WWH fighting the same people that Savage Hulk fought and dominating them is proof of who is more powerful...no matter how much you don't like it. It being stated on panel by shield, Toni, Xavier, Reed, Wolverine, along with numerous of others is proof enough that WWH is significantly more powerful than Savage. It being stated on panel that the entire Avengers INCLUDING THOR wouldn't have been capable of stopping Current Hulk is proof of this (that was the main reason they threw Skaar out there...because they thought that he was the only one that had the potential to stop Current Hulk).

I don't know what else you are asking for. I guess they need to pit him against Galactus to prove a point and you still might not accept it.

Who is more powerful? Sundipped Superman or regular Superman?

Carver, when you accuse me of ignoring WWH's feats because I don't like them, that's you projecting. I already addressed everything you've said.

Mindset
Originally posted by Simbon
Carver, when you accuse me of ignoring WWH's feats because I don't like them, that's you projecting. Carver doesn't like WWH's feats?

dmills
Originally posted by Mindset
Carver doesn't like WWH's feats?

laughing

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Because Kurse is 4 to 5 Times stronger than Thor. Well Savage was just as strong as Thor, probably stronger and Current Hulk fought 2 beings that were equal to Savage Hulk who again were equal to Thor strength wise and these being became at least a THOUSAND times more powerful than they were before (which again was equal to Thor and Savage) and current Hulk still stomped them.

Thor or Kurse isn't matching that kind of power at all.
I wish I knew where you lived so I could bang on your door and laugh in your face.

Simbon
Originally posted by dmills
Gotta agree with Carver here. Simbon you seem to be asking for an inordinate amount of proof in this case bro. In at least one case what you asked for was provided with current hulk destroying Wendigo and bi beast together. Both of whom have given savage hell in the past.

Like I said, it was an impressive feat, but I would have been more impressed if he had beat their regular incarnations. The evidence I want isn't inordinate. At this point, a really decisive showing over someone like King Hyperion might be enough. Like I said, though, it's about feats and consistency. To use another character Carver likes, when Gladiator annihilated Vulcan, and was shown defeating a phoenix, those were incredibly impressive feats that seemed like they might elevate his standing. Since then, however, he's had good feats and bad feats, but still seems to be the same old Gladiator. With these new feats, WWH is moving up in my estimation, but he still has a ways to go.

Simbon
Originally posted by Mindset
Carver doesn't like WWH's feats?

Of course not, that's why he always needs to distort them.

Seriously, what I meant is that because Carver dismisses the feats of characters he doesn't like, he assumes everyone else does this as well.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Simbon
I've already read it. It's a nice feat, but lots of low heralds have wrecked similar destruction. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hater.jpg

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by psycho gundam

That guy looks so familiar but I cant remember who he is

carver9
Originally posted by Mindset
Carver doesn't like WWH's feats?

Can't stand em.

Simbon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hater.jpg

I don't care what people say -- Haterade is f ucking delicious!

carver9
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I wish I knew where you lived so I could bang on your door and laugh in your face.

We can laugh together but while we are laughing I am going to make a Thor vs Wendigo who is a thousand time more stronger than his average self and we are going to make it a fist fight. I'll be right back.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by carver9
We can laugh together but while we are laughing I am going to make a Thor vs Wendigo who is a thousand time more stronger than his average self and we are going to make it a fist fight. I'll be right back.


Thor wins.

Harbinger
Originally posted by carver9
We can laugh together but while we are laughing I am going to make a Thor vs Wendigo who is a thousand time more stronger than his average self and we are going to make it a fist fight. I'll be right back. Gladiator loses.

JakeTheBank
Lol thumb up

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Because Kurse is 4 to 5 Times stronger than Thor. Well Savage was just as strong as Thor, probably stronger and Current Hulk fought 2 beings that were equal to Savage Hulk who again were equal to Thor strength wise and these being became at least a THOUSAND times more powerful than they were before (which again was equal to Thor and Savage) and current Hulk still stomped them.

Thor or Kurse isn't matching that kind of power at all.

Thor is Class 100, Hulk is 95 (imo strength being dynamic quickly closes the gap), Kurse is Class 400. Lifting feats, planet busting feats (hell Terrax busted a planet) etc while IMPRESSIVE do not equal actual on panel combat feats which actually measure the differences between characters

.........you have no idea how powerful Kurse is. He withstood a bludgeoning from Thor and BRB he withstood a synthesized blast from the hammers of Bill and Thor and was koed sure but none the worse for wear, until Hulk handles two ACTUAL top tiers (not two fodder characters to further his wankage) holla at me love.

Mindset
No way is Hulk 95, what the what.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Mindset
No way is Hulk 95, what the what.

So he's 100 at base now?

Mindset
Yes.

CosmicComet
Don't know wtf class 95 actually means.

No class 100 qualifies as a class 100 by only being capable of lifting a minimum of 100 tons anyway in actuality.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Mindset
Yes.

semantics.........my point remains the same

Mindset
Hulk is stylin on you.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Sin I AM
semantics.........my point remains the same it remains incorrect

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk is stylin on you.


http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs41/f/2009/028/6/7/SHIT_JUST_GOT_REAL_by_ragweed.jpg

CosmicComet
^Why didn't you use naked Bert? Way better than whatever that is.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it remains incorrect


this it must be a new occurence since it was always to my inderstanding that hulk always started out a few levels below 100 and quickly rose to close the gap...if i am incorrect i concede, however my point is still valid

psycho gundam
just be glad it's not a picture of a dildo

CosmicComet
Hulk definitely does not start off below Thor, certainly not now, and highly arguable that he ever did.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk definitely does not start off below Thor, certainly not now, and highly arguable that he ever did.

so hulk has always been a class 100? school me, im here to learn

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Sin I AM
so hulk has always been a class 100? school me, im here to learn no expression

Sin I AM
Originally posted by psycho gundam
no expression


are you going to continue to make faces or an intelligent statement?

Mindset
Originally posted by HaSon
http://i54.tinypic.com/11jtb1v.jpg

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Sin I AM
are you going to continue to make faces or an intelligent statement? you stopped that from happening with this:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so hulk has always been a class 100? school me, im here to learn

thus


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/umm.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thor is Class 100, Hulk is 95 (imo strength being dynamic quickly closes the gap), Kurse is Class 400. Lifting feats, planet busting feats (hell Terrax busted a planet) etc while IMPRESSIVE do not equal actual on panel combat feats which actually measure the differences between characters

.........you have no idea how powerful Kurse is. He withstood a bludgeoning from Thor and BRB he withstood a synthesized blast from the hammers of Bill and Thor and was koed sure but none the worse for wear, until Hulk handles two ACTUAL top tiers (not two fodder characters to further his wankage) holla at me love.

Your entire post is jacked...sexy. The first thing that is wrong is you thinking Savage Hulk is a 95 tonner. A calm Savage Hulk held up a 150 billion ton mountain... If you consider 95 tons within the billion range, then I need to sue your math teacher.

Hulk one shotted a top tier TWICE recently and he took on 2 top tiers and uppercutted them out of orbit.

As for the rest of your post... Savage Hulk FT are better. Savage Hulk on numerous of occasions took on teams and stomped. Hell, a dying Hulk took on the entire Avengers and was winning. You have nothing that puts Kurse above Savage, let alone Current Hulk.

When Kurse footsteps can shake continents then holla at me. When Kurse has the power to punch two amped Savage Hulks out of orbit taking a large chunk of the city with them, then holla at me but until then, your entire post is nothing but a fairy tale imo.

I can't believe you said Hulk is a 95 tonner....lololololololhahahaha.

vansonbee
Originally posted by CosmicComet
^Why didn't you use naked Bert? Way better than whatever that is. Soul Eater, its a good anime (50 episodes). Similar to Naruto/Bleach in a sense, but consistent with story and action.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Your entire post is jacked...sexy. The first thing that is wrong is you thinking Savage Hulk is a 95 tonner. A calm Savage Hulk held up a 150 billion ton mountain... If you consider 95 tons within the billion range, then I need to sue your math teacher.

Hulk one shotted a top tier TWICE recently and he took on 2 top tiers and uppercutted them out of orbit.

As for the rest of your post... Savage Hulk FT are better. Savage Hulk on numerous of occasions took on teams and stomped. Hell, a dying Hulk took on the entire Avengers and was winning. You have nothing that puts Kurse above Savage, let alone Current Hulk.

When Kurse footsteps can shake continents then holla at me. When Kurse has the power to punch two amped Savage Hulks out of orbit taking a large chunk of the city with them, then holla at me but until then, your entire post is nothing but a fairy tale imo.

I can't believe you said Hulk is a 95 tonner....lololololololhahahaha.


unquantifiable feat = shaky footsteps, and hulk in the past never was a 100 at base regardless of what the peanut gallery says

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
unquantifiable feat = shaky footsteps, and hulk in the past never was a 100 at base regardless of what the peanut gallery says

What has Savage Hulk failed to lift to make you presume he is only 95 tons of strength. I already told you a calm Hulk lifted a billion tons now its up to you to prove ne wrong. I'll be waiting on those failing to lift fts.

So you are telling me that someone walking, almost knocking a continent off course is unquantifiable? What in the world.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
What has Savage Hulk failed to lift to make you presume he is only 95 tons of strength. I already told you a calm Hulk lifted a billion tons now its up to you to prove ne wrong. I'll be waiting on those failing to lift fts.

So you are telling me that someone walking, almost knocking a continent off course is unquantifiable? What in the world.


sorry, i was on the phone talking to my bff...now u have my attention


a calm hulk DID NOT lift a billion tons....he braced it


and a shaky footstep is about as quantifiable as a retcon punch...period there is no way gauge the amount of power used

Mindset
Originally posted by Sin I AM
sorry, i was on the phone talking to my bff... No we weren't, you liar.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Mindset
No we weren't, you liar.


lol u just jelly i aint call u boo stick out tongue

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
sorry, i was on the phone talking to my bff...now u have my attention


a calm hulk DID NOT lift a billion tons....he braced it


and a shaky footstep is about as quantifiable as a retcon punch...period there is no way gauge the amount of power used

So a 95 tonner can brace 150 billion tons and yea, he was in a calm state. Reed had to make him angry so that he could toss the mountain off of them.

Can I be your bugga boo?


As for the shaky footstep comment. It's quantifiable and it takes an enormous amount of power to do it with just a side step.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
So a 95 tonner can brace 150 billion tons and yea, he was in a calm state. Reed had to make him angry so that he could toss the mountain off of them.

Can I be your bugga boo?


As for the shaky footstep comment. It's quantifiable and it takes an enormous amount of power to do it with just a side step.


lol...u have no idea what quantifiable means

Mindset
Originally posted by carver9
So a 95 tonner can brace 150 billion tons and yea, he was in a calm state. Reed had to make him angry so that he could toss the mountain off of them.

Never happened.

They made him angry to he could keep holding the mountain up.

dmills
Originally posted by Sin I AM
are you going to continue to make faces or an intelligent statement?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you stopped that from happening with this:



thus


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/umm.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/mjpopcorn.gif

dmills
Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol...u have no idea what quantifiable means

laughing

carver9
Originally posted by Mindset
Never happened.

They made him angry to he could keep holding the mountain up.

Gotcha. Someone blasted through the mountain to get everyone out right? Kind of forgot.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol...u have no idea what quantifiable means

I know exactly what it means. Something we can't give a number to on what it took to do such a ft. What I am telling you is that I Disagree.

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
I know exactly what it means. Something we can't give a number to on what it took to do such a ft. What I am telling you is that I Disagree.

I can't believe you went and defined it lulz...

BattleMage
Originally posted by Sundipped
H/P DD has evolved beyond the physical damage Hulk can dish out. Yes Hulk, but not WWH cool

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
HP Doomsday wouldn't beat current Supes imo. Supes has become much stronger. Hulk would phusically crush him. This is a guy that mere footstep during his fight against Skaar created 100 trillion tons worth of force (in which Skaar absorbed).
That Superman wasn't that much weaker than current Superman.
Right before HP (the comic right before HP came out), Superman hit Lobo (1600lb) into orbit (more than trillions of tons of force).

But that is weak sauce to what really happened in that feat.

Superman not only hit him into orbit, but after Lobo arrived in space he still had enough velocity left to go completely through a highly durable several feet thick metal walls of an advanced alien space craft like tissue paper.

This multiplies the feat by a number far above trillions of tons, which makes the actually feat far more than planetary.

Add in the fact that this Superman was also highly amped by a mother box and that HP DD tore Darkseid up in a few hits and you will know that he will kill current Superman.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by h1a8
That Superman wasn't that much weaker than current Superman.
Right before HP (the comic right before HP came out), Superman hit Lobo (1600lb) into orbit (more than trillions of tons of force).

But that is weak sauce to what really happened in that feat.

Superman not only hit him into orbit, but after Lobo arrived in space he still had enough velocity left to go completely through a highly durable several feet thick metal walls of an advanced alien space craft like tissue paper.

This multiplies the feat by a number far above trillions of tons, which makes the actually feat far more than planetary.

Add in the fact that this Superman was also highly amped by a mother box and that HP DD tore Darkseid up in a few hits and you will know that he will kill current Superman. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/6.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/7.jpg

and hulk was on a floating island that was unstablized by the landing of the hulk.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
That Superman wasn't that much weaker than current Superman.
Right before HP (the comic right before HP came out), Superman hit Lobo (1600lb) into orbit (more than trillions of tons of force).

But that is weak sauce to what really happened in that feat.

Superman not only hit him into orbit, but after Lobo arrived in space he still had enough velocity left to go completely through a highly durable several feet thick metal walls of an advanced alien space craft like tissue paper.

This multiplies the feat by a number far above trillions of tons, which makes the actually feat far more than planetary.

Add in the fact that this Superman was also highly amped by a mother box and that HP DD tore Darkseid up in a few hits and you will know that he will kill current Superman.

Honestly...do you read the comics that you talk about? Superman was amped when he punched Lobo out of space. Hell, he even mentions this during the time he punched Lobo. A couple of comics later, he ended up Hulking out. He was amped so much that he stated if he touched the the ground hard enough, he could have destroyed an entire city block with just a mere touch. He was even scared to touch Lois because he lost complete control of his powers (and again, his mass grew exponentially...to the point he resemble Hulk).

Read the comic before bringing up feats.

Superman has become stronger since his fight against HP...hell, Titus mentions this during a brawl against him. Darkseid also states that Superman has become stronger.

I don't get you sometimes. So irritating.

psycho gundam
carver > h1

Cogito
Hold up

Did punching someone into orbit just become a "far more than planetary" feat?

no expression

carver9
Originally posted by Cogito
Hold up

Did punching someone into orbit just become a "far more than planetary" feat?

no expression

In h1 eyes, yes. It's rare finding people capable of punching someone out of orbit. What planetary feats are you talking about?

vansonbee
Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/6.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/7.jpg

and hulk was on a floating island that was unstablized by the landing of the hulk. The size of that battle ship would give the whole Avengers, X-men, and America a big problem to deal with.. Hulk just blaze through it in 1 issue lolz big grin

Cogito
Originally posted by carver9
In h1 eyes, yes. It's rare finding people capable of punching someone out of orbit. What planetary feats are you talking about?

When I hear "planetary feat", I think busting planets. Punching people off of planets is impressive, but not equivalent. At all.

carver9
Originally posted by Cogito
When I hear "planetary feat", I think busting planets. Punching people off of planets is impressive, but not equivalent. At all.

Who busted a planet?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Cogito
Hold up

Did punching someone into orbit just become a "far more than planetary" feat?

no expression when you need to wank something cause you know jack shit about comics

classic scene: carol danvers first time laying eyes' on rogue (who is in the x-mansion, and to her knowledge a mutant terrorist) after she almost ruined her life when she accidentally stole her powers

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/binarypunch1.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/binarypunch2.jpg

carver9
Pure punching power.

Cogito
Originally posted by carver9
Who busted a planet?

I'm not referring to anything in particular... confused

Just the definition of the term planetary and "far more than planetary"

Mr.Mxyzptlk
How does WWH make it past 4?

carver9
Hulk>>Shaggyman.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk>>Shaggyman.

How? The Shaggyman's regen makes Superman's blows generally pointless. Without BFR, how is Hulk supposed to do anything but get stuck in an infinite loop of upping his own strength?

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
How? The Shaggyman's regen makes Superman's blows generally pointless. Without BFR, how is Hulk supposed to do anything but get stuck in an infinite loop of upping his own strength?

Thor pounded on Hulk for hours to no avail. Healing and regenerating is child's play to the Hulk and Hulk is stronger than Shaggyman by quite a bit.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Thor pounded on Hulk for hours to no avail. Healing and regenerating is child's play to the Hulk and Hulk is stronger than Shaggyman by quite a bit.

But the Shaggyman has higher damage soak, healing and regeneration until the Hulk starts approaching Abstract level with his stats.

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
But the Shaggyman has higher damage soak, healing and regeneration until the Hulk starts approaching Abstract level with his stats.

Didnt Shaggyman get extremely damaged when he got half of his chest blown off? It took him a bit to recover and I'm pretty sure he was fatigued afterwards. If Hulk punch his head off, how long will it take for him to recover because overall, Shaggyman WILL get overpowered in a fight against Hulk.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Didnt Shaggyman get extremely damaged when he got half of his chest blown off? It took him a bit to recover and I'm pretty sure he was fatigued afterwards. If Hulk punch his head off, how long will it take for him to recover because overall, Shaggyman WILL get overpowered in a fight against Hulk.

Which instance are you speaking of?

Because other than the Weaksauce Luthor Suicide Squad General (who was somehow depowered purposely), the two times General Eiling had to be BFRed to an asteroid and then the Phantom Zone to be beaten by the JLA.

Edit: And I never said The General wouldn't be overpowered, just that I don't see WWH ko-ing or killing The General.

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Which instance are you speaking of?

Because other than the Weaksauce Luthor Suicide Squad General (who was somehow depowered purposely), the two times General Eiling had to be BFRed to an asteroid and then the Phantom Zone to be beaten by the JLA.

Edit: And I never said The General wouldn't be overpowered, just that I don't see WWH ko-ing or killing The General.

But the weaker version of the General was his latest showing. Don't we use the latest showing of each character? As for the rest of your post, Hulk could bfr him if it came down to it.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
But the weaker version of the General was his latest showing. Don't we use the latest showing of each character? As for the rest of your post, Hulk could bfr him if it came down to it.

Except BFR isn't allowed.

And I was under the assumption the OP had meant Full-power General or he wouldn't be 4 in the list.

Simbon
Classic Shaggy uses high heralds to floss his toes. WWH loses against him.

Mindset
WWH is stronger than high herald.

Come at me.

carver9
Originally posted by Simbon
Classic Shaggy uses high heralds to floss his toes. WWH loses against him.

Mindless Hulk bust through trans/skyfather (Onslaught) body with a single punch. Current Hulk>Mindless Hulk.

WWH use Shaggy as dental floss.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by Mindset
WWH is stronger than high herald.

Come at me.

Wasn't Hulk being Trans when it comes to strength starting to become something at least considered by several people on here?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Mindless Hulk bust through trans/skyfather (Onslaught) body with a single punch. Current Hulk>Mindless Hulk.

WWH use Shaggy as dental floss.

But doesn't KO or Kill him, so I don't see how he gets past 4 with the stipulations of the thread.

Simbon
Originally posted by Mindset
WWH is stronger than high herald.

Come on me.

Already did.

Mindset
Originally posted by Simbon
Already did. Was a Mindset-bot.

Simbon
Originally posted by carver9
Mindless Hulk bust through trans/skyfather (Onslaught) body with a single punch. Current Hulk>Mindless Hulk.

WWH use Shaggy as dental floss.

If Onslaught is skyfather, and we've seen how WWH does against a real skyfather, than Mindless>WWH.

Anyways, you could take feats from Superman that are comparable to any of Hulk's, and you saw how supes measured up to Classic Shaggy.

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
But doesn't KO or Kill him, so I don't see how he gets past 4 with the stipulations of the thread.

Decapitation

Simbon

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Decapitation

Which isn't fatal.

Shaggymen have been shattered into pieces, etc. and reformed.

Simbon
Doesn't really matter anyway, since he stops at 1.

carver9
Originally posted by Simbon
If Onslaught is skyfather, and we've seen how WWH does against a real skyfather, than Mindless>WWH.

Anyways, you could take feats from Superman that are comparable to any of Hulk's, and you saw how supes measured up to Classic Shaggy.

Zeus is high end skyfather. Onslaught at best is high trans to low skyfather.

Different tiers, different type of power.

I also disagree with Superman having comparable fts to Current Hulk. Like I said before, Savage Hulk=Supes unless Savage Hulk gets pissed, then that's a different story.

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Which isn't fatal.

Shaggymen have been shattered into pieces, etc. and reformed.

Not saying that you are lying but do you have a scan of this?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Not saying that you are lying but do you have a scan of this?

Yes, but it assumes that the Shaggyman that Eiling took over was one of the two Shaggymen the JLA fought Pre-crisis.

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Yes, but it assumes that the Shaggyman that Eiling took over was one of the two Shaggymen the JLA fought Pre-crisis.

I think I know what scene you are talking about. In part of this fight, didn't Orion hit him with the astro force?

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
I think I know what scene you are talking about. In part of this fight, didn't Orion hit him with the astro force?

That's Post-Crisis.

I'm talking when Flash knocked him down into bits and he pulled himself back together.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6633/shaggyvshal1ye3.th.jpg

Don't think this is Pre-Crisis, but it's similar to what I meant.

carver9
Yeah, that's precrisis. I'm not referring to that Shaggy. I'm using the latest version of the character. Precrisis characters were insane when it came to strength and durability.

carver9
Originally posted by Simbon
Doesn't really matter anyway, since he stops at 1.

He makes it past 1 buddy. Even my boy Supes know how powerful one of the weakest versions of Hulk is (Professor Hulk)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=12704275


stick out tongue

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, that's precrisis. I'm not referring to that Shaggy. I'm using the latest version of the character. Precrisis characters were insane when it came to strength and durability.

I think that Shaggy wasn't changed by the Crisis though, but don't quote me on it.

Regardless, the Post-Crisis Shaggyman was still a planetary level threat that ignored assaults from the combined JLA and Ultra-marines and didn't need to eat, sleep or breath.

He wasn't decapitated on panel, but I don't see why we should assume it suddenly became an effective method to defeating him or Superman would have done it to the original Shaggyman before Eiling mindswitched (since Superman has no qualms against killing Demons, Robots or non-sentient synthetics).

carver9
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I think that Shaggy wasn't changed by the Crisis though, but don't quote me on it.

Regardless, the Post-Crisis Shaggyman was still a planetary level threat that ignored assaults from the combined JLA and Ultra-marines and didn't need to eat, sleep or breath.

He wasn't decapitated on panel, but I don't see why we should assume it suddenly became an effective method to defeating him or Superman would have done it to the original Shaggyman before Eiling mindswitched (since Superman has no qualms against killing Demons, Robots or non-sentient synthetics).

But we can't say that a character would survive decapitation if he has never shown that he is capable of surviving it or not. Getting a hole shot through your chest is kind of different than getting your entire head crushed or taken off.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
But we can't say that a character would survive decapitation if he has never shown that he is capable of surviving it or not. Getting a hole shot through your chest is kind of different than getting your entire head crushed or taken off.

The burden of proof is on you though. You're the one who originally claimed that the Shaggyman could be killed by Decapitation when I inquired how Hulk would get past 4. So you need to prove Decapitation would be a viable win condition.

carver9
Sigh*, he was almost out of it when he got half of his chest blown off. Decapitating him might not kill him but it should take him out of the fight long enough to count as a win.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh*, he was almost out of it when he got half of his chest blown off. Decapitating him might not kill him but it should take him out of the fight long enough to count as a win.

1. You never clarified which General that tactic was used on.

2. If the OP didn't mean Morrison's General, why would he be ranked above Mangog, Kurse and Konvikt?

Harbinger
For clarification, I intended this to be Classic General (Eiling, IIRC).

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