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We all agree - or should - that Superman gets the majority on Tony. But how hard does Tony make him work for it?

1st Scenario: Current Iron Man vs. Current Superman. Both characters are in their typical mindsets/personality. Neither character has any information on the other and the battle takes place in a populated New York City.

2nd Scenario: Iron Man vs. Superman. Both characters can draw upon their entire history of feats so long as they're canon. Both characters have common knowledge of the other.

3rd Scenario: Iron Man has access to any and all his armors he's ever used and gets 24 hours prep to devise a plan/attack method to beat Superman, barring high end artifacts such as the Infinity Gems. Superman is aware of the depth of Iron Man's intellect and resources, but does not actively prepare to face him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
3rd Scenario: Iron Man has access to any and all his armors he's ever used and gets 24 hours prep to devise a plan/attack method to beat Superman, barring high end artifacts such as the Infinity Gems. Superman is aware of the depth of Iron Man's intellect and resources, but does not actively prepare to face him. Iron Man by BFR

Superman wins the first one.
Ironman for the rest.

Good thread Jake.

Superman wins the first and the second loses the third.

A full capacity Ironman is something serious. I don't think there is a power that he doesn't have and he would also have high Herald strength, nano second speed, shields, invisibility, spider sense, and high end energy output. If Toni fought smart, high end Toni, he could pull a majority. If he pull that trick that he did to Surfer, the fight is done.

Originally posted by carver9
A full capacity Ironman is something serious. I don't think there is a power that he doesn't have and he would also have high Herald strength, nano second speed, shields, invisibility, spider sense, and high end energy output. If Toni fought smart, high end Toni, he could pull a majority. If he pull that trick that he did to Surfer, the fight is done. Toni??? Does someone have a man-crush? durlove

I can buy that Tony can BFR Superman in the 3rd scenario, but how do you suppose he's taking the second?

If Superman has his full history of feats, then he goes pre-crisis all over Tony's ass.

Originally posted by Badabing
Toni??? Does someone have a man-crush? durlove

That suit does look nice on him.

Originally posted by Cogito
I can buy that Tony can BFR Superman in the 3rd scenario, but how do you suppose he's taking the second?

If Superman has his full history of feats, then he goes pre-crisis all over Tony's ass.

True...forgot about that.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Superman wins the first and the second loses the third.

Originally posted by carver9
That suit does look nice on him.

Originally posted by Cogito
I can buy that Tony can BFR Superman in the 3rd scenario, but how do you suppose he's taking the second?

If Superman has his full history of feats, then he goes pre-crisis all over Tony's ass.

He has full history of feats that would be canon to him. So no on Pre-Crisis stuff.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He has full history of feats that would be canon to him. So no on Pre-Crisis stuff.

With that said. Ironman wins the last 2.

I have a hard time believing that Iron Mans top feats trump the one's of post Crisis Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He has full history of feats that would be canon to him. So no on Pre-Crisis stuff. Ok, confusing wording.

Still, Superman wins 1 & 2, maybe 3

How badly does Tony get beaten in the opinion of those voting for Kal?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How badly does Tony get beaten in the opinion of those voting for Kal? In scenario 2? I honestly think he get shitblitzed and 1 shotted

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
2nd Scenario: Iron Man vs. Superman. Both characters can draw upon their entire history of feats so long as they're canon. Both characters have common knowledge of the other. I laffed. DC continuity is so bad nobody even cares anymore.

Think Brand New Day, except (i) it's company-wide every decade or so, (ii) it's done several times to DC's marquis characters on a regular basis, and (iii) efforts to resolve how that actually affects supporting casts are half-a$$ed.

I mean, show me someone who even knows how to explain current Krypto competently, let alone Hawkman, and I'll give you ten dollars.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How badly does Tony get beaten in the opinion of those voting for Kal? First two = pretty badly. Tony's got a better shot in the first scenario than the second, frankly. Tony uses his Thorbuster or Excalibur armor to rape Superman horribly in the third scenario.

IM would get stomped in the first two scenarios, specially the second one. he wins in the third

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I laffed. DC continuity is so bad nobody even cares anymore.

Think Brand New Day, except (i) it's company-wide every decade or so, (ii) it's done several times to DC's marquis characters on a regular basis, and (iii) efforts to resolve how that actually affects supporting casts are half-a$$ed.

I mean, show me someone who even knows how to explain current Krypto competently, let alone Hawkman, and I'll give you ten dollars.
First two = pretty badly. Tony's got a better shot in the first scenario than the second, frankly. Tony uses his Thorbuster or Excalibur armor to rape Superman horribly in the third scenario.

Lol, true, DC's continuity is pretty messed as is and before factoring in the new 52. To clarify, I meant everything that's canon for New Earth Superman, taking into account the stuff that did get retconned such as in Infinite Crisis and Secret Origin (both of which were penned by Geoff Johns...mmm). DC's canon isn't difficult for me to follow so long as don't think about it too much. And Hawkman and Donna Troy are both two of the most phucked up characters to attempt to sort out, too.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol, true, DC's continuity is pretty messed as is and before factoring in the new 52. To clarify, I meant everything that's canon for New Earth Superman, taking into account the stuff that did get retconned such as in Infinite Crisis and Secret Origin (both of which were penned by Geoff Johns...mmm). DC's canon isn't difficult for me to follow so long as don't think about it too much. You can't be serious.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You can't be serious.

Yeah. Why?

I'll be the first one to say that DC's canon is a mess at times and one of the main reasons that new readers feel intimidated getting into them, but I've not really been personally put off due to the canon when it comes to understanding it. Liking the changes in canon, usually because some writer or editor has some personal preference, is another story entirely.

^ It's not about it being off-putting, it's that you're saying you can follow what's canon or not and it isn't difficult. You can't be serious.

Case in point: Last Son General Zod is the first time Superman ever met anyone named General Zod post-Infinite Crisis. That technically banishes For Tomorrow's Phantom Zone Zod from ever having existed. And maybe it banishes For Tomorrow entirely. It happened pre-Infinite Crisis, right? So why not? But then that would also undo the Phantom Zone crisis Superman created himself in For Tomorrow which ended up destroying his original Fortress of Solitude.

And him being in the new jungle Fortress of Solitude was a setup for Sacrifice, leading directly into Crisis of Conscience, which lead directly into Infinite Crisis. And, in any event, the events in For Tomorrow had to exist in one form or another since Equus shows up in Countdown fighting Karate Kid. So, what? Just strip out Superman's encounters with Phantom Zone Zod and leave everything else? That's retarded.

It gets even worse when you look at Russian Zod or Return to Krypton Zod. And Return to Krypton is actually where post-Crisis Krypto comes from before that got re-retconned. Part of what you said is absolutely true: as long as you don't think about it, whatever. You actually try to think about it and reconcile it and it's retarded.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Superman wins the first and the second loses the third.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
We all agree - or should - that Superman gets the majority on Tony. But how hard does Tony make him work for it?

1st Scenario: Current Iron Man vs. Current Superman. Both characters are in their typical mindsets/personality. Neither character has any information on the other and the battle takes place in a populated New York City.

2nd Scenario: Iron Man vs. Superman. Both characters can draw upon their entire history of feats so long as they're canon. Both characters have common knowledge of the other.

3rd Scenario: Iron Man has access to any and all his armors he's ever used and gets 24 hours prep to devise a plan/attack method to beat Superman, barring high end artifacts such as the Infinity Gems. Superman is aware of the depth of Iron Man's intellect and resources, but does not actively prepare to face him.

Superman spite stomps in all matches.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman spite stomps in all matches.

Even when he fights in character and Iron Man has access to his entire armory and one sided prep?

That's rhetorical, by the way.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even when he fights in character and Iron Man has access to his entire armory and one sided prep?

That's rhetorical, by the way.

Superman would definitely use his speed if he feels Ironman is getting the best of him (or sometimes just randomly).

Personally I don't think Ironman is durable enough to withstand Superman's blows. The Hulkbuster would increase durability but slow down maneuability.

I guess a stupid CIS on Superman would have a hard time with Iron Man with his best stuff.

Superman wins all three but works hard for 3.

Superman stomps 1 and possibly 2 and wins a healthy majority in 3.

Except if Tony gets access to Knite.

And Pre Crisi Superman was once the mainstream Superman, the Cirsis just decreased the overall power levels.

Originally posted by h1a8
Personally I don't think Ironman is durable enough to withstand Superman's blows. The Hulkbuster would increase durability but slow down maneuability. You should consider the Thorbuster and the Excalibur armors.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You should consider the Thorbuster and the Excalibur armors. Never heard of the Excalibur armor but Thorbuster yes.

Superman's greatest feats? cosmic armor supes or supes with sword of superman.

Superman in one and two. Maybe three. In "For Tomorrow", Superman basically took on and defeated the natural forces of nature (Earth it's self). Anything Tony would need to create using Earth's natural resource or alien (not involving magic) would still be very hard pressed to defeat the likes of Superman.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Superman's greatest feats? cosmic armor supes or supes with sword of superman.

There is a Sword of Superman???????



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And best thread ever. Ironman wins 2 and 3.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Superman in one and two. Maybe three. In "For Tomorrow", Superman basically took on and defeated the natural forces of nature (Earth it's self). Anything Tony would need to create using Earth's natural resource or alien (not involving magic) would still be very hard pressed to defeat the likes of Superman. that makes no sense whatsoever, SM intimidated huge elemental golems and said he could destroy the planet, but weapons made from earthly materiasl can destroy the planet just the same and some can certainly destroy SM. technology, almost by definition, implies achieving that which brutes elements cant provide. it is utterly absurd to claim that a planet buster cannot be dropped by weaponry forged from materials coming from a planet, what matters is the tech employed and stark's best suits can probably defeat SM

Originally posted by 753
that makes no sense whatsoever, SM intimidated huge elemental golems and said he could destroy the planet, but weapons made from earthly materiasl can destroy the planet just the same and some can certainly destroy SM. technology, almost by definition, implies achieving that which brutes elements cant provide. it is utterly absurd to claim that a planet buster cannot be dropped by weaponry forged from materials coming from a planet, what matters is the tech employed and stark's best suits can probably defeat SM

Stark isn't taking Kal El. Every suit he built to fight beings Like Hulk didn't hold up all that well. He may be able built something to drain out the solar energy in Kal El, but I see Superman ending it fast before that would even be a factor. Iron Man just can't stand toe to toe with Superman....

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Stark isn't taking Kal El. Every suit he built to fight beings Like Hulk didn't hold up all that well. He may be able built something to drain out the solar energy in Kal El, but I see Superman ending it fast before that would even be a factor. Iron Man just can't stand toe to toe with Superman....

Iron Man's less specialized armors have lasted in prolonged conflict with beings like Hulk (whom he's beaten at least twice without Hulkbuster armor) and Thor.

Originally posted by the ninjak
There is a Sword of Superman???????



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And best thread ever. Ironman wins 2 and 3.


Yeah. it's powerful enough to break Superman's arms and legs.

http://images.comicbookcollector.net/large/e3/e3_117930_0_SupermanVol1124.jpg

Originally posted by shokosugi
Yeah. it's powerful enough to break Superman's arms and legs.

http://images.comicbookcollector.net/large/e3/e3_117930_0_SupermanVol1124.jpg

It's irrelevant for this thread, though.

The price of the comic is also a good indicator for the quality of stories in that time...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man's less specialized armors have lasted in prolonged conflict with beings like Hulk (whom he's beaten at least twice without Hulkbuster armor) and Thor.

To be fare I should give IM more credit. But its hard seeing him take down Kal El.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Yeah. it's powerful enough to break Superman's arms and legs.

http://images.comicbookcollector.net/large/e3/e3_117930_0_SupermanVol1124.jpg

That is not the Sword of Superman. And the real sword is not on the level of "breaking Superman's arms and legs", it was way beyond that.

Originally posted by Cogito
That is not the Sword of Superman. And the real sword is not on the level of "breaking Superman's arms and legs", it was way beyond that.

Originally posted by shokosugi
you don't even know about the character you pretend to idolize

http://superman.nu/tales2/sword/4.gif http://superman.nu/tales2/sword/5.gif http://superman.nu/tales2/sword/37.gif http://superman.nu/tales2/sword/40.gif

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/a/aa/Superman_Annual_Vol_1_10.jpg

1.25 $

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Originally posted by Cogito
That is not the Sword of Superman. And the real sword is not on the level of "breaking Superman's arms and legs", it was way beyond that.

duh...

it clearly said "The Black Knight's Super Sword" ROFL

Iron Man's Armor that was made out of Uru by the creator of Mjolnir would also be an interesting option for him against Super Man

Originally posted by carver9
With that said. Ironman wins the last 2.

Cosmic Armor Superman counts as a current feat.

Barring that, I agree Tony can win the third scenario, but not the second.

Superman

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
Iron Man's Armor that was made out of Uru by the creator of Mjolnir would also be an interesting option for him against Super Man

The problem with Thor Buster armor, is it absorbed Thor's Odin Force. As soon as he stopped using it, the Thor Buster quickly depowered.

Which came off as a bit plot device-ish, considering Thor gave Stark the Uru to serve as a stand alone power source...

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Stark isn't taking Kal El. Every suit he built to fight beings Like Hulk didn't hold up all that well. He may be able built something to drain out the solar energy in Kal El, but I see Superman ending it fast before that would even be a factor. Iron Man just can't stand toe to toe with Superman.... he has beter gear than the hulkbuster. we'll see how the destroyer absed armor turns out for him a against the worthy

bumpage

^ What that guy said

Superman definitely wins the first two.

Three is tricky but can be analyzed with accuracy.

Superman is way faster than Tony and has much greater maneuverability.
This is key. Superman may allow Tony some hits to gauge how powerful he his. But when the chips are down Superman is definitely going to get serious and start using his speed and releasing some of his held back strength. I know nothing of the Excalibur armor but the Hulkbuster and Thorbuster are more durable than his traditional armor but will fail to hold up for long, especially is Supes is using great speed and constantly chipping away at it.

It's just extremely hard to imagine Tony beating Superman for crying out loud.

So in retrospect, Sword of Superman was just Supes getting in touch with his Plutonian roots?

Originally posted by carver9
With that said. Ironman wins the last 2.

facepalm

Superman loses the first and 3rd scenarios. He wins the 2nd one.