Current Colossus & Worthy Juggernaut Vs Superman

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Colossus-Big C
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Current Colossus


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Worthy Juggernaut

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-Pr-
What feats do the two have?

carver9
Not enough fts.

Colossus-Big C
Well Juggernaut is supposed to be amped, and current colossus is supposed to crush amped juggernaut

Rage.Of.Olympus
Personally, I'd give Worthy Juggernaut an even split if not an edge over Superman. If the new Colossus is even half as powerful as this amped up Juggernaut -he hasn't done anything yet- then the team pretty much wreck him.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Well Juggernaut is supposed to be amped, and current colossus is supposed to crush amped juggernaut

That's not really saying much, though.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Worthy Juggernaut has pretty much walked through everything thrown at him, including the best Utopia has to over short of like Legion. Hope had to use the combined power of the mutants just to get his goddamn helmet off and it not only burned her out, but failed to actually do anything to him.

Not only that, but he can fly and battle field removal is no longer an option.

carver9
Juggernaut recently is pretty much unstoppable and bfring isnt an option anymore since he can fly.

As for Colossus, he just appeared... why use him when he doesnt have any fts?

I agree with Rage on this one but I would still like to see fts from both.

carver9
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Worthy Juggernaut has pretty much walked through everything thrown at him, including the best Utopia has to over short of like Legion. Hope had to use the combined power of the mutants just to get his goddamn helmet off and it not only burned her out, but failed to actually do anything to him.

Yeah, he is pretty much unbeatable. Hell, his hammer is even unstoppable. I would give him the edge but even though Colossus is my buddy, he make threads a lil to soon.

Wait untuil Pete get some fts with the gem first.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Worthy Juggernaut has pretty much walked through everything thrown at him, including the best Utopia has to over short of like Legion. Hope had to use the combined power of the mutants just to get his goddamn helmet off and it not only burned her out, but failed to actually do anything to him.

Not only that, but he can fly and battle field removal is no longer an option.

Ah. Sounds uber.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut recently is pretty much unstoppable and bfring isnt an option anymore since he can fly.

As for Colossus, he just appeared... why use him when he doesnt have any fts?

I agree with Rage on this one but I would still like to see fts from both.
I don't have the scans on me, but Uncanny X-men #540-#542 along with the Thunderbolt Fear Itself tie-ins should show you the level the new Juggernaut is operating on.

carver9
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't have the scans on me, but Uncanny X-men #540-#542 along with the Thunderbolt Fear Itself tie-ins should show you the level the new Juggernaut is operating on.

Would you consider him more powerful than Worthy Hulk? Both seems unbeatable and Hulk is currently taking on the vampire nation and is about to fight Dracula.

Who is operating on a high level between the two iyo?

Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Worthy Hulk should at the very least be as powerful but Juggernaut without a doubt has the better showings. Barring the fight with Thor, he had an embarrassing showing in that Avengers issue. Heck, it'd be a bad showing for a non amped Hulk.

If it's any consolation though, the comic did acknowledge that he got a large boost, and a less powerful team wrecked Count Nefaria who is also at the very least an Elite Top Tier. Whatever, it's Bendis.

Rage.Of.Olympus
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Yea, I think Superman would have his hands full with Juggernaut alone. Adding another opponent who is most likely going to be an Elite Top Tier would mean a one sided beating.

Frankly, Juggernaut could just mindrape Superman for the win. Probably wouldn't though, causing destruction and fear is his goal.

-Pr-
I was in full agreement until you said "mindrape".

Gecko4lif
Juggs hasnt done anything other than walk.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was in full agreement until you said "mindrape".

I was half joking tbh but he does have the capabilities. I'm not sure if contact has to be initiated but overpowering Emma + Cerebra and forcing her into some kind of trance means he has some pretty damn powerful telepathic abilities.

Frankly, any type of mental/spiritual intrusion has completely failed against the Worthy. Shaman against Attuma, and Veil against Titania would be the other instances.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was half joking tbh but he does have the capabilities. I'm not sure if contact has to be initiated but overpowering Emma + Cerebra and forcing her into some kind of trance means he has some pretty damn powerful telepathic abilities.

Frankly, any type of mental/spiritual intrusion has completely failed against the Worthy. Shaman against Attuma, and Veil against Titania would be the other instances.

Not bad.

guy222
piotr should have feats soon

team will win

KingD19
Cyclops also said that on a good day Juggernaut was a Thor level threat, and now that he's one of the Worthy he's even more powerful.

Lord Feron
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

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Never saw the last set. Rediculous!!!! Throw and ****ing USS destroyer launched by magneto "ineffective" lol. Light his blood on fire "ineffective" haha. Insane level of invincibility.

vansonbee
Wait a second! After all those impressive things Cain done as Worthy in 542, Cytorrak just released his own personal powers from Jugg, so doesn't Worthy version go down a tick in power and those feats are not feasible?

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by vansonbee
Wait a second! After all those impressive things Cain done as Worthy in 542, Cytorrak just released his own personal powers from Jugg, so doesn't Worthy version go down a tick in power and those feats are not feasible? ?

no power was taken from juggs, cyttorak just made colossus his second avatar

vansonbee
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
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no power was taken from juggs, cyttorak just made colossus his second avatar If you read it, Cytorrak was still in the dark about Cain also using powers from Serpent. Cytorrak released Cain from being his avatar, so that implies, that any current power Cain has is gone, only leaving Serpents.

Would that effect the feats he did against the X-Men in 542 at the beginning as Worthy and Cytorrak avatar? Yes, its a shared feat, similar to the Hulk situation lolz

CosmicComet
Juggernaut seems to have a better grasp on being a Worthy than the rest.

No surprise, he's no stranger to magic.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by vansonbee
If you read it, Cytorrak was still in the dark about Cain also using powers from Serpent. Cytorrak released Cain from being his avatar, so that implies, that any current power Cain has is gone, only leaving Serpents.

Would that effect the feats he did against the X-Men in 542 at the beginning as Worthy and Cytorrak avatar? Yes, its a shared feat, similar to the Hulk situation lolz

Actually, he should still have some of the power. It was described when Cy took his power before, that he kept some due to years of exposure to it.

the Darkone
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Well Juggernaut is supposed to be amped, and current colossus is supposed to crush amped juggernaut


Stop assuming damn! Amp Colossus if anything will slow down Juggernaut and much we will have to wait until then stop assuming until it happens. For all you know Colossus will get his a$$ kicked.

celeyhyga17
If Juggerlossus is anything like classic Jugs, team spanks the boyscout.

rotiart
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Personally, I'd give Worthy Juggernaut an even split if not an edge over Superman. If the new Colossus is even half as powerful as this amped up Juggernaut -he hasn't done anything yet- then the team pretty much wreck him.

Worthy juggernaught is no longer worthy...

Pass history tells us that when Cain falls out of favor with cytorrak htends to decrease in power and actually has to ask his god to rebuff him....

The unstoppable juggernaught we've seen all this time is prior to cytorrak making the decision to choose a new avatar... Thus there could be a depowering and it would be hard to tell until the issues come out andonly able to tell if the same combatants come at juggernaught and the same effects happen...

Cytorrak was even told that jugs was being powered by two gods....
So he took his away...

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by rotiart
Worthy juggernaught is no longer worthy...

Pass history tells us that when Cain falls out of favor with cytorrak htends to decrease in power and actually has to ask his god to rebuff him....

The unstoppable juggernaught we've seen all this time is prior to cytorrak making the decision to choose a new avatar... Thus there could be a depowering and it would be hard to tell until the issues come out andonly able to tell if the same combatants come at juggernaught and the same effects happen...

Cytorrak was even told that jugs was being powered by two gods....
So he took his away...

He was already depowered before he became one of the worthy.

vansonbee
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Actually, he should still have some of the power. It was described when Cy took his power before, that he kept some due to years of exposure to it. Consistency of the writer? Because in uncanny, it sounds like Cytorakk left some of his power w/ Cain. Who describe that Cain has his own power, due to long exposer?

Mindset
Originally posted by rotiart
Worthy juggernaught is no longer worthy...

Pass history tells us that when Cain falls out of favor with cytorrak htends to decrease in power and actually has to ask his god to rebuff him....

Didn't past history show Cain was limiting himself (WWH)?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Actually, he should still have some of the power. It was described when Cy took his power before, that he kept some due to years of exposure to it. cain marko's back to the bargain bin again i see.

this should be it for him as a super powered individual, how many times can someone lose their power before they decide to stop pretending they deserve it?

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by vansonbee
Who describe that Cain has his own power, due to long exposer?

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
cain marko's back to the bargain bin again i see.

this should be it for him as a super powered individual, how many times can someone lose their power before they decide to stop pretending they deserve it?

I'm not sure what to expect when it comes to his character when all is said and done. I'd like to see him get the full power back. But I'd also like to see Colossus have it for a little while. I wish that the whole, "do good deeds lose some power" thing was not part of the character.

quanchi112
Originally posted by guy222
piotr should have feats soon

team will win Gotta side with the gentle giant here.

rotiart
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He was already depowered before he became one of the worthy.

After the events in World war hulk? Uh... No...
And going to a bio that doesn't include current events only hurts your argument that juggernaught was depowered prior to being worthy.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by rotiart
After the events in World war hulk? Uh... No...
And going to a bio that doesn't include current events only hurts your argument that juggernaught was depowered prior to being worthy.

He was depowered as portrayed in Thunderbolts. The narration hinted as much...

Devron87
No respect of the continuity in fear itself IMO,
Juggernaut can't be basically powered by 2 gods,Cy depowered him after he messed the enchantment with the Cap'tain Universe incarnation,the writer make him like at 8 days level with the serpent powers,it's a double upgrade when he basically downgraded Whorty Hulk who absolutly not equal the current Hulk who can destroy dimension and bypass magic with brute force and energy projection,this event is bad..............

Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.

Originally posted by rotiart
Worthy juggernaught is no longer worthy...

Pass history tells us that when Cain falls out of favor with cytorrak htends to decrease in power and actually has to ask his god to rebuff him....

The unstoppable juggernaught we've seen all this time is prior to cytorrak making the decision to choose a new avatar... Thus there could be a depowering and it would be hard to tell until the issues come out andonly able to tell if the same combatants come at juggernaught and the same effects happen...

Cytorrak was even told that jugs was being powered by two gods....
So he took his away...

Okay?

It seems that Cytorrak still considers Cain his avatar despite him not possessing the full power of the Gem due to the good deeds he performed as Captain Universe.

Now that Cain is the herald of another deity, any power that belonged to Cytorrak has been transferred to the new Juggernaut, Colossus.

Next issue, it'll be Colossus + the power of Jugggernaut vs. Cain Marko + the power of the Worthy.

Devron87
"Next issue, it'll be Colossus + the power of Jugggernaut vs. Cain Marko + the power of the Worthy."

hum,a class 100 metahuman+great durability+power of cytorrak against a human being+serpent power ?

i say it's overkill for colossus,logically Cain marko is going to die since the others worthy are not that impressive,but the writer already say in a interview that he want Juggernaut to be really scary in Fear itself so he probably still double upgraded him despite the continuity...........

Batman-Prime
I think the team wins. Colossus looks more badass then all the Worthy combined.

MY opinion is based on looks only now. After Worthy juggs vs Colossaut we will know more. Though they are new and might get the Rulk thing going...

D-Block
Team wins

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by rotiart
After the events in World war hulk? Uh... No...
And going to a bio that doesn't include current events only hurts your argument that juggernaught was depowered prior to being worthy.

What the hell are you talking about? Cain was depowered AGAIN prior to joining the Thunderbolts and after regaining the power in WWH. It even says it in those issues. He received the hammer while on the TBolts team.

Parmaniac
Juggs solos seriously

h1a8
The only way for Superman to win is with CIS off, bfr on, and the battlefield has to be the galaxy.

Superman can bfr them in black holes or the sun.

the Darkone
You cant battle remove Worthy Juggernaut, the Xmen try that he came right back instantaneously like it never happen. Superman CIS off still aint doing sh**. And you through in Colossus with Classic Juggernaut abilities Superman is dead as the American dollar.

h1a8
Originally posted by the Darkone
You cant battle remove Worthy Juggernaut, the Xmen try that he came right back instantaneously like it never happen. Superman CIS off still aint doing sh**. And you through in Colossus with Classic Juggernaut abilities Superman is dead as the American dollar. Did they try putting him in a black hole or the Sun?
How did they try?

I agree that Superman can't win this fight if those stipulations aren't met.

the Darkone
Originally posted by h1a8
Did they try putting him in a black hole or the Sun?
How did they try?

I agree that Superman can't win this fight if those stipulations aren't met.

Superman ain't winning period if stipulations were met! The whole xmen team try everything bfr removed, it didn't do nothing. Worthy Juggernaut acted like nothing happen, they did things that would've jacked up Superman alone. YOu are not getting it period, Worthy Juggernaut will sh** Superman, end of story.

carver9
What person that can fly and teleport and have super strength of their own is going to sit there and let someone dip them in a black hole. Then, if Superman even tries that, its a loss for him due to battle field removal. He basically bfred himself.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by h1a8
Did they try putting him in a black hole or the Sun?
How did they try?

I agree that Superman can't win this fight if those stipulations aren't met.

They tried to teleport him to a number of places including the middle of the sun. Juggernaut returned before his next step was taken. Adding to the fact he can fly, I don't see Superman BFRing him.

the Darkone
Originally posted by carver9
What person that can fly and teleport and have super strength of their own is going to sit there and let someone dip them in a black hole. Then, if Superman even tries that, its a loss for him due to battle field removal. He basically bfred himself.

You forgot mental powers, air walking on atop of that!

KingD19
Walking on air while impressive, isn't new. He did it back when he had all his crazy powers as Classic Juggs. Jean tried to levitate him so he couldn't move, kept walking right towards them.

rotiart
Supermans only hope is an endless stalemate as he runs for his life for the end of eternity.

Speed to escape. ;-)

Stoic
Team

the ninjak
Originally posted by h1a8
Did they try putting him in a black hole or the Sun?
How did they try?

I agree that Superman can't win this fight if those stipulations aren't met.

Pixie teleported the creature to the bottom of the Ocean and the Sun.
Within one step he just returned.

CosmicComet
It's unclear to me if he was successfully teleported to those areas and just teleported back or if Pixie's portals never truly worked.

the ninjak
Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's unclear to me if he was successfully teleported to those areas and just teleported back or if Pixie's portals never truly worked.

I agree. Though the picture has a 1 metre gap between the one being made and he exits from???????

How did he do that? Does the demon just hack the portal and reverses it?

Was magic the problem? Titiana and Absorbing Man can just make portals themselves but Juggs' demon seems dumber, or is finding it hard to take complete control due to Cytorrak. It's a weird panel.

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-Pr-
it did say he returned, so i'd hazard a guess that it's him actually teleporting back, some sort of automatic extension of his "unstoppable" power.

h1a8
Superman can't win then.

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