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How would this go down?

Thanos + IG.

Thanos? Unless I've missed something about Celestials.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Thanos? Unless I've missed something about Celestials. It not the fact of something new of them, but the sheer numbers.

When Thanos had it, he would win.

The IG as it is now? One or two Celestials would probably be a good fight

based on what friend?

Wasn't there an Elseworlds where Doom with the IG beat the entire Celestial Race after millions of years of non-stop combat?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't there an Elseworlds where Doom with the IG beat the entire Celestial Race after millions of years of non-stop combat?

Yeah, BUT that was Doom+Infinity Gauntlet+The Beyonders Power; at the conclusion, the Gems were shattered and most of The Beyonders power was burned out...

Now I know What If's arent cannon, but since that is my only reference point for this thread, I am picking the Celestial Race to win; they take heavy casualties, but eventually defeat Thanos...

Edit: And it wasnt millions of years of nonstop combat, but 400+ years if I remember correctly...

Stupid Else-Worlds aside, I don't see how Thanos wouldn't just causally erase the Celestials from existence the same way the Abstracts were.

This is like an army of ants taking on a steamroller, they've got numbers but little else going for them.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't there an Elseworlds where Doom with the IG beat the entire Celestial Race after millions of years of non-stop combat? What If. Marvel doesn't know what Elseworlds means

Also, he had Beyonder's powers, and the Infinity Gems broke during the fight with the host of Celestials.

Then there's those F4 issues...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What If. Marvel doesn't know what Elseworlds means

Psh. Elseworlds is a more clever name.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What If. Marvel doesn't know what Elseworlds means

Also, he had Beyonder's powers, and the Infinity Gems broke during the fight with the host of Celestials.

Then there's those F4 issues...

Bran... shhhh.. don't bring up the F4 issues!!!!!

celestials win

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Then there's those F4 issues... I was just about to mention those.

GALAN STOP MY FRIEND PLEASSSSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
GALAN STOP MY FRIEND PLEASSSSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

What are the F4 issues??

^ In short: a random weapon Reed pulled out of his closet was far more effective against the Celestials then several alternate IG's were.

Thanos wins and while killing them off he conjures a Celestial kill gun for each hand just for giggles.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ In short: a random weapon Reed pulled out of his closet was far more effective against the Celestials then several alternate IG's were.

Huh...well that is kinda crappy

Originally posted by Galan007
^ In short: a random weapon Reed pulled out of his closet was far more effective against the Celestials then several alternate IG's were. Yeah, but it's Reed, and Reed > TOAA.

The Gems seem to have been written down...........a lot, since the Infinity Saga concluded.

If it was the "Classic" IG, then he'd wipe out their entire race with minimal effort. Today's IG? He'd get killed after a long bloody battle with the Celestials losing a lot of members but still coming out on top.

PS What FF issues did that "Reed with random gun >>>>>IG vs Celestials" take place in?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What If. Marvel doesn't know what Elseworlds means

Also, he had Beyonder's powers, and the Infinity Gems broke during the fight with the host of Celestials.

Then there's those F4 issues...
Yeah my bad. I meant a What If?

Originally posted by zopzop
The Gems seem to have been written down...........a lot, since the Infinity Saga concluded.

If it was the "Classic" IG, then he'd wipe out their entire race with minimal effort. Today's IG? He'd get killed after a long bloody battle with the Celestials losing a lot of members but still coming out on top. Have the gems been written down, or have the Celestials been written up? sneer

Originally posted by zopzop
PS What FF issues did that "Reed with random gun >>>>>IG vs Celestials" take place in? Fantastic Four #572.

Originally posted by Galan007
Have the gems been written down, or have the Celestials been written up? sneer

Fantastic Four #572.

Most definitely written down. There were scans of alt reality Reed saying the Gems only function in the universe they are native to. There are scans of Warlock saying that the Gems derive their power from the Big Bang energy known as the Power Primordial (why does this matter? Because in another issue Reed called the PF the energies of the Big Bang and the PF is a joke IMHO).

I'm going to wiki that issue (FF 572) something sounds fishy about it.

Holy ClusterFxck Batman!

The Gems only work in their native reality -
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6549/fandort13.th.jpg

Two IG holders annihilated by one of the rogue Celestials of Earth 4280 the third holder saved by Reed
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5221/ff572004.th.jpg http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8207/ff572005.th.jpg

Yet another alternate reality IG being used against the Celestials this time with some success, but they keep coming
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9431/ff572008.th.jpg

Starbrand Reed survives being assaulted by a Celestial (as opposed to two IG wielders being annihilated!), Reeds weapons cause the rogue Celestials to retreat!
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6923/ff572016017.th.jpg

I think those are in order, I just got these from other websites and forums by googling around. The writer and editor should be punched in the face. Going by this, the Celestials in an epic r@pestomp.

Celestials

AFAIK, the IG that Thanos wielded hasn't been used since Infinity War. All other IGs were either fakes or alternate reality IGs.

Thanos takes this with literally a snap of his fingers...unless Scathan is in this contest.

With this new IG, Thanos would probably lose. With the classic one, Thanos wins with ease.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
With this new IG, Thanos would probably lose. With the classic one, Thanos wins with ease.

Which "new" IG? None of those IG's from the Council saga are the canon 616 one.

In fact in the same exact story, it took more than FIVE Ultimate Nullifiers to kill 1 Galactus.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Which "new" IG? None of those IG's from the Council saga are the canon 616 one.

In fact in the same exact story, it took more than FIVE Ultimate Nullifiers to kill 1 Galactus.

Wow. What story is this from? Sounds like the writers has things really messed up.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Which "new" IG? None of those IG's from the Council saga are the canon 616 one.

In fact in the same exact story, it took more than FIVE Ultimate Nullifiers to kill 1 Galactus. Originally posted by celestialdemon
Wow. What story is this from? Sounds like the writers has things really messed up.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7402/fandort05.th.jpg

Ghey! Idiotic writing.

Originally posted by zopzop
Starbrand Reed survives being assaulted by a Celestial (as opposed to two IG wielders being annihilated!), Reeds weapons cause the rogue Celestials to retreat!
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6923/ff572016017.th.jpg More than just retreat, Reed's closet-gun actually slagged one of the Celestials (something multiple IG's were incapable of.)

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
AFAIK, the IG that Thanos wielded hasn't been used since Infinity War. All other IGs were either fakes or alternate reality IGs. Illuminati and Avengers.

...There's also Nemesis.

Originally posted by Galan007


Illuminati and Avengers.

...There's also Nemesis.

Was it functional/used?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Was it functional/used? Yeah.

Does anyone else hate Reed for just being able to pull bullshit out of his ass whenever needed?

Is it just me?

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah.

In what fashion? how was LT's decree circumvented?

Originally posted by Cogito
Does anyone else hate Reed for just being able to pull bullshit out of his ass whenever needed?

Is it just me?


He has been doing that shit for how long now? I have just become indifferent to it.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
He has been doing that shit for how long now? I have just become indifferent to it.

Never said it was a new development

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
In what fashion? how was LT's decree circumvented? It wasn't used to any type of extreme degree, mind you, but it was used nonetheless.

Illuminati:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3779/ig4fz.th.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5899/ig5q.th.jpg

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Avengers:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2699/ig1t.th.jpg http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1091/ig2r.th.jpg http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/106/ig3.th.jpg



...It was never explained how LT's ruling was negated.

Alternate IG's aren't the 616 IG...

Thanos > Reed in utilizing the IG. Enough said~

Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't used to any type of extreme degree, mind you, but it was used nonetheless.

Illuminati:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3779/ig4fz.th.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5899/ig5q.th.jpg

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Avengers:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2699/ig1t.th.jpg http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1091/ig2r.th.jpg http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/106/ig3.th.jpg



...It was never explained how LT's ruling was negated.

Oh ok. I read those before.

For Illuminati, I don't believe the gauntlet ever featured the gems to "act in unison" as LT decreed. They just called to each other...so from my perspective, it still wasn't used in the same terms as Thanos/Magus/Nebula/Adam Warlock used it.

For Avengers, I had the feeling that stark could have achieved the same affect using the space or time gem. And, IIRC he then "wishes" for the gauntlet to disappear...I think that's possible using just the reality gem while connected to the other gems.

In other words I think the gems can be collected together and used, just not used "in unison" which was LT's decree, IIRC.

Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't used to any type of extreme degree, mind you, but it was used nonetheless.

Illuminati:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3779/ig4fz.th.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5899/ig5q.th.jpg What happened then?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Oh ok. I read those before.

For Illuminati, I don't believe the gauntlet ever featured the gems to "act in unison" as LT decreed. They just called to each other...so from my perspective, it still wasn't used in the same terms as Thanos/Magus/Nebula/Adam Warlock used it.

For Avengers, I had the feeling that stark could have achieved the same affect using the space or time gem. And, IIRC he then "wishes" for the gauntlet to disappear...I think that's possible using just the reality gem while connected to the other gems.

In other words I think the gems can be collected together and used, just not used "in unison" which was LT's decree, IIRC. You're reaching a bit. The gems were able to work in unison, the issues were clear as day.

I can say this with certainty, because when Magus first assembled the incomplete IG, he was unable to, even slightly, activate any of the gems:

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8577/theinfinitywar0506.th.jpg


...But Reed and Tony very clearly were able to utilize them.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What happened then? Uatu gave Reed a sob-story, so he decided to disband the gauntlet.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're reaching a bit. The gems were able to work in unison, the issues were clear as day.

I can say this with certainty, because when Magus first assembled the incomplete IG, he was unable to, even slightly, activate any of the gems:

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8577/theinfinitywar0506.th.jpg


...But Reed and Tony very clearly were able to utilize them.

Uatu gave Reed a sob-story, so he decided to disband the gauntlet.

That's contradicted by an incomplete IG redirecting the Ultimate Nullifier. So it's still nebulous at best.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
That's contradicted by an incomplete IG redirecting the Ultimate Nullifier. ...Which was only accomplished AFTER LT momentarily lifted his ruling. Before that, the incomplete IG Magus assembled was completely useless (see the above scan.)

Thanos wins, not all Infinity gauntlets work on the same level as 616 Infinity Gauntlet! Thanos with 616 IG slaughters the Celetials.

Thanos

Scathan and Tiamut are members of the Celestial race and theres a freaking universe (or atleast a dimension) full of them...

Its inevitable; Thanos losses....

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Scathan and Tiamut are members of the Celestial race and theres a freaking universe (or atleast a dimension) full of them...

Its inevitable; Thanos losses.... Explain how it is inevitable.

Well there are an assload of celestials thanos defeated beings exponentially more powerful with a friggin smile on his face.

Scathan defeated a foe that was apparently beyond the Living Tribunal; if he alone can manage that, then Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet has no prayer against the entire Celestial race...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Scathan defeated a foe that was apparently beyond the Living Tribunal; if he alone can manage that, then Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet has no prayer against the entire Celestial race... I still don't believe that scathan is greater than LT. I've seen the scans.

But just doesn't work with me.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Scathan and Tiamut are members of the Celestial race and theres a freaking universe (or atleast a dimension) full of them...

Its inevitable; Thanos losses.... it took doom 400 years to beat them with the IG in a what if

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it took doom 400 years to beat them with the IG in a what if

It took Doom 400 years with the IG AND the Beyonder's power to beat them in a What If. The gems were drained of power and shattered and the Beyonder's power was almost burnt out.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it took doom 400 years to beat them with the IG in a what if

Doom also had The Beyonders power and (at the conclusion of the battle) the infinity gems were shattered and most of the Beyonders power was burned out...

So once again, Thanos is losing here...

Edit: beaten by zopzop!

Why are people bothering to bring up the what if? Its a what if. Non-canon people.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why are people bothering to bring up the what if? Its a what if. Non-canon people.

The Pro Celestial side didn't bring it up. We were just explaining what went down in that issue.

I don't remember the living tribun ever actually ruling on the gems never working in unison... "again"...

I do remember eternity saying as much...

I think there is a cop out now where they are treating it as if living tribunal had never rescinded it and eternity lied.

Originally posted by zopzop
Most definitely written down. There were scans of alt reality Reed saying the Gems only function in the universe they are native to. There are scans of Warlock saying that the Gems derive their power from the Big Bang energy known as the Power Primordial (why does this matter? Because in another issue Reed called the PF the energies of the Big Bang and the PF is a joke IMHO).

I'm going to wiki that issue (FF 572) something sounds fishy about it.

IN which comic was it stated that IG derives energy from big bang?
do you have scan ?

Thanos wins.

Thanos.

Scathan would not approve but I don`t think he is allowed.

Originally posted by Sprinkler
IN which comic was it stated that IG derives energy from big bang?
do you have scan ?
In a she-hulk comic. Part of the Champion/Titania arc. The power of the gems was referred to Power Primordial, and it was mentioned to be derived from the Big Bang. Which kinda makes sense in light of Hickman's new retcon wherein an IG can only work in its native universe.

Thanos wins easily (if we exclude Scathan).

Reed Richards, Dr. Doom, and the other members of Illuminati simply don't possess the required abstract levels of intelligence to ascend into full omnipotence while wearing the Gauntlet. Thanos and Adam Warlock, however, do. This much is obvious when one compares the original Infinity Gauntlet saga with the more recent Illuminati/FF stories.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101073/1993178-82895_253_infinity_gauntlet_super.jpg

Lolwut? The current IG sagas consist of a nerfed version of the original gems. And let's not go overboard with Starlin-lite nuthuggery under the guise of preference for Starlin-pets like Warlock and Thanos. Doom has had plently of instances of wielding godlike power to full effect on his own, while Reed has used his personal tech to save universes and fix suns while working with the COR. Not to mention that his son is pretty much a god in his own right.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
When Thanos had it, he would win.

The IG as it is now? One or two Celestials would probably be a good fight

Something like that.

A host was able to fight Doom for quite a while when he had the IG and Beyonder's power. All the Celestials would curbstomp current IG. Imagine Eson just falling out of the sky Hulk stomping Thanos, and then Arishem dropkicks him while TOAA clotheslines him over the top ropes.

Originally posted by Epicurus

In a she-hulk comic. Part of the Champion/Titania arc. The power of the gems was referred to Power Primordial, and it was mentioned to be derived from the Big Bang. Which kinda makes sense in light of Hickman's new retcon wherein an IG can only work in its native universe.
The writers had Warlock erroneously state that while near death lying on a bed in #8.
Thankfully the Writers made fun of themselves in issue #12 ... how that didn't fit with "continuity."

They had a bit of 4th wall antics going on here via these "fans" to relay the message.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17396928_She_Hulk1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17396930_She_Hulk2.jpg

The Infinity Being is referenced here imo. (a Force that pre-dates our universe)

^Just pointing out which story arc the Big Bang thing was mentioned in.

The Celestials are space gods. The one space gem is probably enough to handle them. Amped by the other 5 gems anyhow.

Flawless logic.

Originally posted by Epicurus
In a she-hulk comic. Part of the Champion/Titania arc. The power of the gems was referred to Power Primordial, and it was mentioned to be derived from the Big Bang. Which kinda makes sense in light of Hickman's new retcon wherein an IG can only work in its native universe.

If you have scan please post it cuz i am not able to find that issue for download. Also i am too lazy for it :P

She Hulk V3 #11. There you go.

This?:
http://imgur.com/BNZALKW

If so, issue #8.

^Ah, I misremembered.

Edit: It appears that in #11 as well, a random comic book nerd explains the nature of the gems to She-Hulk in order to help her combat Titania.

http://imgur.com/Twq4NTB

Issue #12. It came immediately after the 'nerd-debate' Mr M posted above.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^Ah, I misremembered.

Edit: It appears that in #11 as well, a random comic book nerd explains the nature of the gems to She-Hulk in order to help her combat Titania.
Actually its #12 good friend, and the nerd explained the opposite,
how the Gems are empowered by a force that pre-dates our universe (obviously the Infinity Being)
It was Warlock that mentioned primordial anything back in #8 as I explained prior.

In #12, the nerds realized the Gems went to those who wanted them the most,
and since the Elders are obsessive-nites who have been around billions of years,
bingo.
So this is how Titania was defeated, they gave her what she wanted (the win)
she put her guard down and they snatched the PG from her head sneak-style.

Mephisto's 2010 bio and the IG bio itself of the same year still has the Gems being
the embodiment of Nemesis, the entity that was lonely, and killed itself rather
than be the only sentience in the universe. (basically the same thing Thanos said on panel)

Thanos Wrecks them all

The scene that indirectly references the Infinity Being doesn't really prove anything at all-- it's just 2 nerds opinionatedly arguing back and forth about what they think the gems' origin is:
http://imgur.com/3NaQf6L
She-Hulk even tries to remind the nerds what Warlock specifically said about the gems, but they totally ignored her.

On the subsequent page, the 'chief nerd' scolds them both with the following...
"Take your She-Hulk comics at face value! If there is a connection between the gems and the Power Primordial... How can we use that to save the day?!":
http://imgur.com/PrUr8fH


As is the case in real life: the comics themselves>the opinions of fanboys.

^^ She-Hulk was ignored cause what Warlock said didn't fit into Continuity.

But what the Nerds were clarifying is 100% canon.

As for if there is a "connection between" blah, blah ...

There was no connection. The nerds just figured out how to defeat Titania, nothing more.

Comics themselves indeed. You know I'm with ya on that.

The point of that scene was to show us that just because something may not fit into continuity doesn't mean it should be overlooked/ignored. The chief nerd explained that as well in the first scan...

"Continuity! When I was growing up, if fans found a conflict in continuity they didn't try to trash it or tear it down! They looked at ALL the pieces and tried to come up with a solution!"


Not that it really matters, I suppose. /shrug

I'm gonna have to disagree there friend. Imo, the nerds were the writers clearing up their garbage. (She-Hulk 2005)

The Power Gem was given to Reed after She-Hulk got it from Titania. (Illuminati 2007)
Remember G, Reed noticed the Gems were "talking to each other" ... "they may be alive"



The Gems themselves summoned the RG, again signifying consciousness:



The Gems deliberately didn't allow Reed to nullify the IG: (signaling consciousness)



Mephisto's 2010 bio, (5 years later) tells us ... "Nemesis" is the Infinity Gems.

The 2010 IG bio itself shows us a pic of the IB when Thanos explained it,
and still has the IB as the lonely entity that killed itself rather than be the only sentience.
I don't think I need to post it, you're a reasonable man.

Originally posted by Galan007
The scene that indirectly references the Infinity Being doesn't really prove anything at all-- it's just 2 nerds opinionatedly arguing back and forth about what they think the gems' origin is:
http://imgur.com/3NaQf6L
She-Hulk even tries to remind the nerds what Warlock specifically said about the gems, but they totally ignored her.

On the subsequent page, the 'chief nerd' scolds them both with the following...
"Take your She-Hulk comics at face value! If there is a connection between the gems and the Power Primordial... How can we use that to save the day?!":
http://imgur.com/PrUr8fH


As is the case in real life: the comics themselves>the opinions of fanboys.

Yeah, the intent of the writer was pretty damn obvious to me. Warlock told them the origins and the two nerds squabbling was satire representative of the typical fanboy debate where new information is picked apart.

Which is ironically what's happening here.......

Yet, it was the nerds that had it right. stoned
Also, nothing was picked apart, same info, same info down below.
The only thing picked apart was Warlock's senseless comment.
Originally posted by Mr Master

I'm gonna have to disagree there friend. Imo, the nerds were the writers clearing up their garbage. (She-Hulk 2005)

The Power Gem was given to Reed after She-Hulk got it from Titania. (Illuminati 2007)
Remember G, Reed noticed the Gems were "talking to each other" ... "they may be alive"



The Gems themselves summoned the RG, again signifying consciousness:



The Gems deliberately didn't allow Reed to nullify the IG: (signaling consciousness)



Mephisto's 2010 bio, (5 years later) tells us ... "Nemesis" is the Infinity Gems.

The 2010 IG bio itself shows us a pic of the IB when Thanos explained it,
and still has the IB as the lonely entity that killed itself rather than be the only sentience.
I don't think I need to post it, you're a reasonable man.

Celestials would soundly defeat the recent IG incarnations

^^ Actually, withIN it's native reality, the IGs are still all-powerful. (sans Scathan)
But, I need to see more to understand the current specifics.

Oh that aside, here's that 2010 Mephisto scan certifying Nemesis is the IG, Not any 'power primordial.'

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17404264_Infinity_Being_created_Marvel_-_Mephispto_bio.jpg

I have the IG one as well, in a sec,
funny thing is, the IB/Nemesis was known as the primordial entity if I recall.

Originally posted by Galan007
This?:
h t t p : / / i m g u r . c o m / B N Z A L K W

If so, issue #8.

Thanks a lot. I don't care about scan mr master posted. It is just to make mock of comic fanboys and their opinions made all over discussion fourms. Warlock had authority over IG and what he says is true.

Plus it was confirmed in a bio of champion in ALL NEW series of marvel handbook. Thus warlock is right.

And suppose IF gems came from infinity being then her powers too are derived from big bang.

The Celestials might actually have a few answers to the gems.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Actually, withIN it's native reality, the IGs are still all-powerful. (sans Scathan)
But, I need to see more to understand the current specifics.

Oh that aside, here's that 2010 Mephisto scan certifying Nemesis is the IG, Not any 'power primordial.'

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17404264_Infinity_Being_created_Marvel_-_Mephispto_bio.jpg

I have the IG one as well, in a sec,
funny thing is, the IB/Nemesis was known as the primordial entity if I recall.

Well to go along with that, we also have Mephisto explaining to Thanos on panel where the gems came from.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/cf86e0e4-7648-4147-8282-41efb7dc090a_zps1de6696e.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well to go along with that, we also have Mephisto explaining to Thanos on panel where the gems came from.



Meph also explained himself in a separate issue likewise.

Thanos explained it, and Diana (of the shop) who resides in Another Multiverse. (Ultraverse)

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well to go along with that, we also have Mephisto explaining to Thanos on panel where the gems came from.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/cf86e0e4-7648-4147-8282-41efb7dc090a_zps1de6696e.jpg Originally posted by Mr Master


Meph also explained himself in a separate issue likewise.

Thanos explained it, and Diana (of the shop) who resides in Another Multiverse. (Ultraverse)
There's more to this.

Back when Satannish and Mehpisto were going at it and threatening Earth, Dr. Strange also recalled this little tidbit and used it against them.