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Fight takes place on top of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier 200 ft above N.Y.C.

Who takes its?

Danny.

IF

Cap 6-10 here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny.

good match up..


does Cap have his shield?

Danny wins every time or almost everytime but Steve puts up a good fight cuz he's a beast.

7/10 Cap.

Originally posted by vansonbee
7/10 Cap.
How so?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
good match up..


does Cap have his shield?

Yes he does my firend.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Danny wins every time or almost everytime but Steve puts up a good fight cuz he's a beast.

I'm not sure about that.

Here's IF and Cap's fight... Admitted Danny did take on the Wracking Crew last issue and charging up his "Iron Fist" twice already. So he wasn't completely ready for a fight with Cap at 100%.. But still had the will to fight on and take on the Wrecking Crew with Cap's help latter on in the issue.

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Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes he does my firend.



I'm not sure about that.

Here IF and Cap's fight... Admitted Danny did take the Wracking Crew the issue before and charging up his "Iron Fist" twice already. So he wasn't completely ready for a fight with Cap at 100%.. But still had the will to fight on and take on the Wrecking with Cap's help latter on in the issue.

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Danny's gotten better since than and has had an official upgrade in the last few years. Along with getting a little meaner in his fighting style. Uses Iron Fist attack way more often and frequently uses superhuman attacks without it.

Capt will put up a good fight and make him work for it since he has that shield and skills but I see Danny almost always winning in the end.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Danny's gotten better since than and has had an official upgrade in the last few years. Along with getting a little meaner in his fighting style. Uses Iron Fist attack way more often and frequently uses superhuman attacks without it.

Capt will put up a good fight and make him work for it since he has that shield and skills but I see Danny almost always winning in the end.

So has Cap... In Secret Avenger #10. Steve jumps out of the Quinjet (several 100 ft high) along with War Machine and Black Widow. War Machine grabs hold of the them; further accelerating their fall downward to the ground. War Machine lets go of Steve, sending him charging fist first (Superman style) into John Steel' face'; ramming him head first into the ground. Steve recovers from the fall without any sign or injury to his being. That feat was more impressive than anything I've seen in the last few years done by a street leveler.

Steve's reaction time is fast enough to keep up and defend. And Steve still has the advantage in terms of fighting experience, stamina and damage soak. Cap already states he's better in spite of IF 's own skills as a fighter.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
So has Cap... In Secret Avenger #10. Steve jumps out of the Quinjet (several 100 ft high) along with War Machine and Black Widow. War Machine grabs hold of the them; further accelerating their fall downward to the ground. War Machine lets go of Steve, sending him charging fist first (Superman style) into John Steel' face'; ramming him head first into the ground. Steve recovers from the fall without any sign or injury to his being. That feat was more impressive than anything I've seen in the last few years done by a street leveler.

Steve's reaction time is fast enough to keep up and defend. And Steve still has the advantage in terms of fighting experience, stamina and damage soak. Cap already states he's better in spite of IF 's own skills as a fighter.

Stamina prolly, Damage soak, i'd give it to Danny personally but I can see why you'd say that. Skill that's a wash and too hard to prove either way with both of them going through so many changes but that feat you said is definitely not better than these.


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Since it seems standard gear is involved, Cap should take this.

6/10

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Since it seems standard gear is involved, Cap should take this.

6/10
Oh yeah what is his current gear?

IF

Originally posted by jalek moye
Stamina prolly, Damage soak, i'd give it to Danny personally but I can see why you'd say that. Skill that's a wash and too hard to prove either way with both of them going through so many changes but that feat you said is definitely not better than these.


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Those feats are good. But none of them could pull off what Steve did in Secret Avengers issue 10 and survive... Cap recently took an upercut from an enraged Namor and stood up seconds afterward. Cap also tanked a direct blast to the face from Zola in the Invaders Now arch...

CA 6-7/10

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Those feats are good. But none of them could pull off what Steve did in Secret Avengers issue 10 and survive... Cap recently took an upercut from an enraged Namor and stood up seconds afterward. Cap also tanked a direct blast to the face from Zola in the Invaders Now arch...

How powerful is Zola?

And about the Namor thing Danny has been hit by class 100s as well but we know that's neither of tere norm. Just like Danny taking a nuke isn't his norm.

What is in Is danny's norm though is enough striking power to flatten Steve if he gets a clean hit and severely injure him if he gets a glancing one. He also has projectiles now. The shield wi help with that but I see Danny eventually getting to him way more often than Steve getting over a dozen hits with no return.

Originally posted by jalek moye
How powerful is Zola?

And about the Namor thing Danny has been hit by class 100s as well but we know that's neither of tere norm. Just like Danny taking a nuke isn't his norm.

What is in Is danny's norm though is enough striking power to flatten Steve if he gets a clean hit and severely injure him if he gets a glancing one. He also has projectiles now. The shield wi help with that but I see Danny eventually getting to him way more often than Steve getting over a dozen hits with no return.

Not true for Cap. Civil War he took blows from Iron Man as well, and other times against Namor and other super strong opponents. Plus Cap 's amor is highly durable than anything Danny wears. But Steve will likely block those kinds of attacks rather than be hit by them. But I wouldn't say it's not his norm to withstand them.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Not true for Cap. Civil War he took blows from Iron Man as well, and other times against Namor and other super strong opponents. Plus Cap 's amor is highly durable than anything Danny wears. But Steve will likely block those kinds of attacks rather than be hit by them. But I wouldn't say it's not his norm to withstand them.

So your really saying that no non class 100 can drop him?

Danny hits way harder than people that have hurt cap and beaten him before.

I'm positive a guy who can drop Luke Cage, break thunderballs wrecking ball, destroy temples and helicarriers with one blow, make Hiroim scream in pain, break apart oncoming trains, etc. Can drop cap. Unless he has some uber new armor I don't know about.

I get u wanting to take his high showing but saying that he can easily withstand Danny's best inspire o all he's done is a bit much.

Originally posted by jalek moye
So your really saying that no non class 100 can drop him?

Danny hits way harder than people that have hurt cap and beaten him before.

I'm positive a guy who can drop Luke Cage, break thunderballs wrecking ball, destroy temples and helicarriers with one blow, make Hiroim scream in pain, break apart oncoming trains, etc. Can drop cap. Unless he has some uber new armor I don't know about.

I get u wanting to take his high showing but saying that he can easily withstand Danny's best inspire o all he's done is a bit much.

No. What I'm saying is that Cap can take blows from class 100 opponents... Cap has been put down before, but he can take more than Danny could imo. And for the recored, yes, Cap can take IF's best and most powerful via his shield. The Iron Fist can't break that Shield my friend..

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No. What I'm saying is that he can take blows from them. Cap has been put down before. But he can take more than Danny could imo. And for the recored, yes, Cap can take IF's best and most powerful via his shield. Well yeah he can block but he's going to get and Danny has the power to one shot him at the very most 2-3 if he's non playing around.

As for damage soak on average Steve does take worse beating but Iron fist can take just as much and more depending on how his chi is bein used. Either way I can't see Steve knocking out someone just as skilled, just as fast, and that only needs a couple of strikes if he's not going all out. When Steve will take way more blows to do the same.

Any of Danny's strikes can be superhuman not just a punch, Steve will fight hard and well but he will not be scoring a dozen blows for every miss Danny has.

Durability/healing is about equal.

They both have ranged attacks.

Danny is stronger, slightly faster.

Skill wise they are about equal.

What gives Danny the win is his destructive capabilities.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Those feats are good. But none of them could pull off what Steve did in Secret Avengers issue 10 and survive... Cap recently took an upercut from an enraged Namor and stood up seconds afterward. Cap also tanked a direct blast to the face from Zola in the Invaders Now arch...


In Captain America #2 Cap recently jumped out of plane from close to 200 ft and crash landed on a vehicle standing.

Damage soak/durability go to Steve.

Originally posted by Mindset
Durability/healing is about equal.

They both have ranged attacks.

Danny is stronger, slightly faster.

Skill wise they are about equal.

What gives Danny the win is his destructive capabilities.

Pretty much

Originally posted by Daredevil1
In Captain America #2 Cap recently jumped out of plane from close to 200 ft and crash landed on a vehicle standing.

Damage soak/durability go to Steve.

Nice, I forgot to mention that. Badass moment there. Damage soak is in favor of Steve. But his feat in Secret Avengers #10 made what he did in Captain America #2 look like nothing though.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Well yeah he can block but he's going to get and Danny has the power to one shot him at the very most 2-3 if he's non playing around.

As for damage soak on average Steve does take worse beating but Iron fist can take just as much and more depending on how his chi is bein used. Either way I can't see Steve knocking out someone just as skilled, just as fast, and that only needs a couple of strikes if he's not going all out. When Steve will take way more blows to do the same.

Any of Danny's strikes can be superhuman not just a punch, Steve will fight hard and well but he will not be scoring a dozen blows for every miss Danny has.

Cap has the skill and strength to put down Danny with few a blows as well and has also other beaten super-powerful foes physically with his shield and fist alone.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap has the skill and strength to put down Danny with few blows as well and has also other beaten super-powerful foes physically with his shield and fist alone.

Yet when he fights people around his level it takes more Han a couple of blows to drop them. Steve punching Danny out in a dint would take a while, yes the shield would work faster but no anywhere near as much damage as a blow from Danny would to Steve unless it's in he throat or something obviously.

Steve may have taken down superhumans with his fists before but you and I both know that Danny hits harder than Steve so let's not go to that argument. I've been enjoying it so far.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Nice, I forgot to mention that. Badass moment there. Damage soak is in favor of Steve. But his feat in Secret Avengers #10 made what he did in Captain America #2 look like nothing though.


Yeah that was definitely impressive.

Durability to Steve for sure. Speed its close could go either way IMO.

Natural strength Steve.

Stamina Steve.

Punching power sans IF technique probably Steve. But Danny has some good feats as well.

IF tech punch. No contest Danny wins that one. But the shield is just a great counter measure for that.

Cap 6/10

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah that was definitely impressive.

Durability to Steve for sure. Speed its close could go either way IMO.

Natural strength Steve.

Stamina Steve.

Punching power sans IF technique probably Steve. But Danny has some good feats as well.

IF tech punch. No contest Danny wins that one. But the shield is just a great counter measure for that.

Cap 6/10 Do you mean sans chi or just San IF

Because Danny still has superhuman strength without he IF blow due to chi amping

Originally posted by jalek moye
Yet when he fights people around his level it takes more Han a couple of blows to drop them. Steve punching Danny out in a dint would take a while, yes the shield would work faster but no anywhere near as much damage as a blow from Danny would to Steve unless it's in he throat or something obviously.

Steve may have taken down superhumans with his fists before but you and I both know that Danny hits harder than Steve so let's not go to that argument. I've been enjoying it so far.

Durability:http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c11tu4.jpg
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Originally posted by jalek moye
Do you mean sans chi or just San IF

Because Danny still has superhuman strength without he IF blow due to chi amping



I'm talking on average strength feats Cap wins. Punching power I could lean towards Danny.


Actually it was Danny himself who was amazed by Cap's strength and speed at one time.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'm talking on average strength feats Cap wins. Punching power I could lean towards Danny.


Actually it was Danny himself who was amazed by Cap's strength and speed at one time.
That's what I meant, Danny has superhuman striking in general. lifting strength Cap prolly is better.

And like i said Danny has changed a lot since back in the day.

IF, it's close but he pulls out the majority wins. IMHO, he's faster, more skilled, and he can self heal.

Durability and strength are in Cap's favor though.

Fist wins.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Stamina prolly, Damage soak, i'd give it to Danny personally but I can see why you'd say that. Skill that's a wash and too hard to prove either way with both of them going through so many changes but that feat you said is definitely not better than these.

And this, of course:

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Originally posted by Marvelknight
Durability:http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c11tu4.jpg
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Danny has some decent ones too, although msot of his feats that are defensive are dodging and energy related. O guys like Sabertooth, wrecking crew etc. So while not as good blunt ones as the Namor stuff shows he's capable of way more than a few hits.

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Originally posted by zopzop
IF, it's close but he pulls out the majority wins. IMHO, he's faster, more skilled, and he can self heal.



His self healing isn't instant and requires concentration. He won't have that luxury in a fight unless that has changed like instant healing or something.

the shield will absorb the iron fist..


id say Cap 6-7/10

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the shield will absorb the iron fist..


id say Cap 6-7/10

And then Danny kicks him in the shin

Originally posted by zopzop
IF, it's close but he pulls out the majority wins. IMHO, he's faster, more skilled, and he can self heal.

Durability and strength are in Cap's favor though.

Cap also heals fast as noted in Secret Avenger #9. Steve has also shown a high level of control of metabolism. It could argued that Danny is slightly faster.

But make note that Steve is fast enough to even surprise Spidy. Peter even made note of the quickness of Cap's movements:http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spc1sy3.jpg

Danny may know more fighting styles than Cap. But what Steve knows, he uses with supreme efficiency. Also he's more strategically sound with years of combat experience over Danny.

Cap is physically capable of defeating foes physically superior to him:http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capownskreelg4.jpg

Also Steve is more arial than IF. And if the helicarrier does crash, or is destroyed. Cap will likely be the one to walk away from the battle less effected:http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9044/ca0310oy5.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3605/ca0311ge4.jpg

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap also heals fast as noted in Secret Avenger #9. Steve has also shown a high level of control of metabolism. It could argued that Danny is slightly faster.

But make note that Steve is fast enough to even surprise Spidy. Peter even made note of the quickness of Cap's movements:http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spc1sy3.jpg

Danny may know more fighting styles than Cap. But what Steve knows, he uses with supreme efficiency. Also he's more strategically sound with years of combat experience over Danny.

Cap is physically capable of defeating foes physically superior to him:http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capownskreelg4.jpg

Also Steve is more arial than IF. And if the helicarrier does crash, or is destroyed. Cap will likely be the one to walk away from the battle less effected:http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9044/ca0310oy5.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3605/ca0311ge4.jpg

Honestly Captain America most likely has the same amount for experience,. He's only like 40 after all and Danny is mid 30s. Danny started training at 10 Steve was like 18 ish?


The whole fighting People stronger is basically Danny's powerset so that's pretty moot.

Like I said skill is basically equal i wouldn't put either over the other in that area.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Honestly Captain America most likely has the same amount for experience,. He's only like 40 after all and Danny is mid 30s. Danny started training at 10 Steve was like 18 ish?


The whole fighting People stronger is basically Danny's powerset so that's pretty moot.

Like I said skill is basically equal i wouldn't put either over the other in that area.

Lmfao Cap is nearly 70 years old

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Lmfao Cap is nearly 70 years old

i'm not counting the years frozen since he was frozen for like 50 years and it froze his body. Biologically I'm sure he's only like 40-50

Years still go and time waits for no one. Even if frozen, he's still between 68-71 years olds. I'm pretty sure that his body wouldn't have aged in appearance regardless because of the Super Soldier Serum.

Danny has good durability feats but a lot of streets like Batman, Daredevil have feats of taken hits from super strong bricks.

But even those characters are not portrayed to having feats like these.

Cap's durability is just on another level in my humble opinion.


200 ft fall no problem.
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1889/captainamerica002durabi.jpg
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2203/captainamerica00218.jpg


High altitude fall you can even see mountains, plus the enhanced
speed of Warmichne sending him down as a batter ram. Yikes.(but even that is irrelevant if the IF tech lands.) But that's were Steve speed, agility, and shield factor in.)


http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4105/secretavengers10010.th.jpg

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Well still half of those years wouldn't count for his experience though. He started training at around 18 got frozen at what 23 ish? Stayed frozen for around 50 years. and has currently been active around 20. Pretty much the same as Danny since those 50 years didn't add to his experience at all.

he's technically old but has only been active for about the amount of years as guys like Iron Man.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Honestly Captain America most likely has the same amount for experience,.



He should have more experience due to his trapped time loop battles with Korvac resetting time over and over again. IIRC Steve gained like 100-300 years of fighting.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He should have more experience due to his trapped time loop battles with Korvac resetting time over and over again. IIRC Steve gained like 100-300 years of fighting.

ahh didn't know about that, I was just talking about his years active. If that's the case then my bad.

Originally posted by jalek moye
ahh didn't know about that, I was just talking about his years active. If that's the case then my bad.


If it makes you feel better I actually view Danny a hair more skilled but not by much. A lot of people would disagree with me on that note though.

Fighting experience go to Cap because much of his early life was filled with war and combat: from one mission to the next, leading the charge. Even after his return it's only got more increasingly harder with Hydra and new foes battling alongside the Avengers and other superhero teams.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Fighting experience go to Cap because much of his early life was filled with war and combat: from one mission to the next, leading the charge. Even after his return it's only got more increasingly harder with Hydra and new foes battling alongside the Avengers and other superhero teams.

I was basing it on your years comment mostly, and war is different than one on combat anyway. but yeah Daredevil showed I was wrong about the years thing anyway.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
If it makes you feel better I actually view Danny a hair more skilled but not by much. A lot of people would disagree with me on that note though.

Imo once you get up to that level its mostly a wash when it comes to whose more skilled.

Originally posted by jalek moye
I was basing it on your years comment mostly, and war is different than one on combat anyway. but yeah Daredevil showed I was wrong about the years thing anyway.

Considering Cap's methods of combat, war really wouldn't be no different at all really for Cap, only you're fighting more opponents at once. One still has to engage inclose and be skilled at doing so when you're a soldier. And Cap mostly uses his shield along with his fighting skills tailored to his incredible power, speed and agility instead of fire arms.

@Marvelknight

Oh trust me, I respect Cap, he's done some crazy things on panel and held his own vs beings you'd think would stomp him. Also notice I never said it would be easy or a stomp in favor of IF. I just think it'd be a good close fight with IF taking the slight majority in wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Marvelknight

Oh trust me, I respect Cap, he's done some crazy things on panel and held his own vs beings you'd think would stomp him. Also notice I never said it would be easy or a stomp in favor of IF. I just think it'd be a good close fight with IF taking the slight majority in wins.

Nothing wrong with that.. Whoever wins would only get the slight majority. I only gave Steve 6-10 because I understand how great IF is. I just feel Steve is more strategically sound with more will to win. He's always ready for a fight and don't play games with his opponents.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Considering Cap's methods of combat, war really wouldn't be no different at all really for Cap, only you're fighting more opponents at once. One still has to engage inclose and be skilled at doing so when you're a soldier. And Cap mostly uses his shield along with his fighting skills tailored to his incredible power, speed and agility instead of fire arms.

And Danny has over two decades of one on one fighting not counting the time loop they'd be about the same given their fighting styles.


Some feats that aren't the "traditional" iron fist punch




Wide range Iron fist attack
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4796/immortalironfist001010wf3.th.jpg

the attack gets absorbed but shows just how large he can make a chi attack if he wants to.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/IronFist-021-022.jpg

Long range chop attack i showed earlier
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2016/ironfist12.th.jpg

Turns objects into chi bullets

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4130/imironfist027page015.th.jpg

The floor destroying shockwave from him and Davos' kicks.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6032/immortalironfist006019.th.jpg

short range projectile
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz176/jalekmoye/Iron%20Fist/th_NA_2_Legion_CPS_026.jpg

Draws blood from and hurts Luke cage with non Iron Fist strikes (impressive given Luke's post 2000 history)
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While i don't think it will be a slight majority I think people mistake that with me saying that he stomps Steve which I'm not. just that he wins a high majority with Steve making him work for every one of them.

Cap is fast and agile enough to either dodge or block all of those attacks with his shield. Cap can leap 15-20 ft in the air away from the shockwave, throwing his shield in the process.

jalek moye is crazy if he thinks Danny takes it every time.
Cap takes the MAJORITY 7/10

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap is fast and agile enough to either dodge or block all of those attacks with his shield. Cap can leap 15-20 ft in the air away from the shockwave, throwing his shield in the process. Cap isn't agile enough to dodge the close range ones for ever. Just like I'm not saying Danny can dodge every single one of Steve's forever. Would he dodge the shield throw? Yeah he would all the up close attacks though? Nope and Neither would Steve his.

Originally posted by BattleMage
jalek moye is crazy if he thinks Danny takes it every time.
Cap takes the MAJORITY 7/10

How is thinking Danny takes almost every time in a hard fight crazy? It's not saying he stomps him just i see in 10 fights Danny taking 9 or all of them even though he has to really work for it. I really think you guys think i mean he just slaps him down based on your reactions.

I personally don't think close fights always end in near splits *shrug*

Originally posted by jalek moye
Cap isn't agile enough to dodge the close range ones for ever. Just like I'm not saying Danny can dodge every single one of Steve's forever. Would he dodge the shield throw? Yeah he would all the up close attacks though? Nope and Neither would Steve his.

Why not? His muscles don't build up fatigue toxins, granting him uncanny stamina. And Steve is a master shield fighter. Certainly is capable of blocking all of not most of IF's attacks inclose. Steve did so in Avenger Prime (no shield) against a house full of armed elf warriors (at least 20 or more).

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Why not? His muscles don't build up fatigue toxins, granting him uncanny stamina.

Because they are similar in speed and reflexes. do you also think that Steve can dodge every single attack by Wolverine or elektra forever? I'm not talking stamina i'm talking how at least to me it seems you are implying he will simply never get hit. In order to never get hit by a close range attack he'd have to be significantly above Iron Fist in speed, reflexes or skill. All of which are near equal.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Because they are similar in speed and reflexes. do you also think that Steve can dodge every single attack by Wolverine or elektra forever? I'm not talking stamina i'm talking how at least to me it seems you are implying he will simply never get hit. In order to never get hit by a close range attack he'd have to be significantly above Iron Fist in speed, reflexes or skill. All of which are near equal.

Spider-Man's reflexes and agility are superior to Danny's, and even he has trouble getting through Cap's guard.

Wait your seriously arguing that Danny can never hit him? I mean Danny's gotten through tougher stuff as well and gotten through spideys also. Him and Captain have similar reflex feats although it would be fun to compare those feats too.

I'm seriously confused though you say it's a close fight but right here you are saying that Danny can never hit Steve. Not trolling or anything I'm seriously confused.

Originally posted by jalek moye
How is thinking Danny takes almost every time in a hard fight crazy? It's not saying he stomps him just i see in 10 fights Danny taking 9 or all of them even though he has to really work for it. I really think you guys think i mean he just slaps him down based on your reactions.

I personally don't think close fights always end in near splits *shrug* OK

Originally posted by jalek moye
Wait your seriously arguing that Danny can never hit him? I mean Danny's gotten through tougher stuff as well and gotten through spideys also. Him and Captain have similar reflex feats although it would be fun to compare those feats too.

I'm seriously confused though you say it's a close fight but right here you are saying that Danny can never hit Steve. Not trolling or anything I'm seriously confused.
No, just that he'd have a hard time landing any real hard hit in on Cap. In their fight Steve rolled with his punch and I already have IF's impression of Cap then. IF has gotten better since. But Cap has't been sitting on his ass since then either, understand?

yeah I agreed that it would take a while I just think that he would do it. i think Cap will have an equally hard time getting him. Which is why i think it's close fight we just differ on the winner.

Originally posted by jalek moye
yeah I agreed that it would take a while I just think that he would do it. i think Cap will have an equally hard time getting him. Which is why i think it's close fight we just differ on the winner.

That's all it is.. I just like to debate. Would love to see them fight again real soon..

Me too to both, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. If it does it will be a brief spar or non fight. i miss the days of epic long fights.

Starting distance. Iron Fist proved he is able to dodge Steve's shield. In this environment it'd be even easier. Can Rogers evade Danny's ground pounds? It is possible (not if IF keeps doing that though), but jumping away is going to leave him open.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Starting distance. Iron Fist proved he is able to dodge Steve's shield. In this environment it'd be even easier. Can Rogers evade Danny's ground pounds? It is possible (not if IF keeps doing that though), but jumping away is going to leave him open.

If I was Cap, I would not throw my shield at IF at all. I'd want that thing with me at all times.

Cap wins
6/10

Shield > Chi

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Starting distance. Iron Fist proved he is able to dodge Steve's shield. In this environment it'd be even easier. Can Rogers evade Danny's ground pounds? It is possible (not if IF keeps doing that though), but jumping away is going to leave him open.

Hmmm. Steve could leap to a higher vantage point or reposition the shield underneath him while in mid air to absorb the shockwave when landing.

Originally posted by zopzop
If I was Cap, I would not throw my shield at IF at all. I'd want that thing with me at all times.

That'd be the most wise thing to do, yes. Unless he would want to distract Danny for a second with the throw so he could get a free punch.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Hmmm. Steve could leap to a higher vantage point or reposition the shield underneath him while in mid air to absorb the shockwave when landing.

While I agree, I gotta ask... how often do the comic characters avoid that type of attack? Happens in video games all the time, but rarely in comics.

Still, this is a forum fight, so those are possible options for Cap

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
While I agree, I gotta ask... how often do the comic characters avoid that type of attack? Happens in video games all the time, but rarely in comics.

Still, this is a forum fight, so those are possible options for Cap

That's a good question. The nature of that attack, make me believe that most problely wouldn't avoid it or simply don't have the means to guard against it... Good thing Cap has that shield here.

Danny for the majority.

I agree with Jalek.

Cap is an impressive street level, but there's some street characters he simply can't match, imo.

Or put another way, Danny can fight on an even level against Spidey without PIS. Cap, not so much.

Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.

So, in your opinion, can Cap fight on an even level with Spidey?

Without his shield, since Danny uses his bare hands.

Originally posted by cdtm
So, in your opinion, can Cap fight on an even level with Spidey?

Without his shield, since Danny uses his bare hands.

Danny uses his ki to boost his physically stats. Steve uses raw physically strength, speed and agility.

And to answer your question: Cap has against Spidey before, when Peter had the iron suit. Cap had his shield there. But Spidey didn't just use his physically superiority. Paker had a specialize armor suit plus webbing and Cap held his own still.

Cap has his shield here so that's what is truly relevant... What can Danny do to Cap shield is the better question here.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.
Didn't pre-upgrade Danny solo the pre-upgrade Wrecking Crew?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Didn't pre-upgrade Danny solo the pre-upgrade Wrecking Crew?

Are you talking about IF #11?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Are you talking about IF #11?
Idk. Am I? uhuh

Originally posted by Marvelknight
That's a good question. The nature of that attack, make me believe that most problely wouldn't avoid it or simply don't have the means to guard against it... Good thing Cap has that shield here.

His shield is a huge help, but - contrary to the popular belief - it doesn't absorb all of the force. He can lose his balance or get knocked down, even. And when he does, Danny can get some licks in. I could see Cap doing a similar trick with his shield throws though, like I said before.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.

Fist has changed.

Separately yes, he has. But the whole team?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Idk. Am I? uhuh
If so.. I believe he needed help from the Avengers in dealing with them. IF and Cap lured them into a trap. IF held his own but was tired and needed help.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His shield is a huge help, but - contrary to the popular belief - it doesn't absorb all of the force. He can lose his balance or get knocked down, even. And when he does, Danny can get some licks in. I could see Cap doing a similar trick with his shield throws though, like I said before.



Fist has changed.

Separately yes, he has. But the whole team?

No not the entire team. But certain members one on one, sure.

And if Steve gets knocked back, he can recover in mid air or roll on the ground back to his feet.

May not be the same IF but Steve hasn't been sitting around all theses years and is better himself now.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
If so.. I believe he needed help from the Avengers in dealing with them. IF and Cap lured them into a trap. IF held his own but was tired and need help.

He's talking about some other issue in which Danny solo'd the Crew and used the Iron Fist technique on Thunderball only.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No not the entire team. But certain members one on one, sure.

And if Steve gets knocked back, he can recover in mid air or roll on the ground back to his feet.

May not be the same IF but Steve hasn't been sitting around all theses years and is better himself now.

Taskmaster said Cap was at his best during the war. When Cap from that time period was transported to the present, guess what he did? Embarassed Extremis Iron Man

Jokes aside, I don't doubt he's gotten better. But the upgrade IF received is quite... considerable, to say at least. I'm not sure Steve can handle him.

Pretty much, now a days he can sue chi with everything where in the past a few full power strikes of his Iron Punch and he was tired. Along with many new techniques learn from reading the book

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's talking about some other issue in which Danny solo'd the Crew and used the Iron Fist technique on Thunderball only.



Taskmaster said Cap was at his best during the war. When Cap from that time period was transported to the present, guess what he did? Embarassed Extremis Iron Man

Jokes aside, I don't doubt he's gotten better. But the upgrade IF received is quite... considerable, to say at least. I'm not sure Steve can handle him.

Cap's shield stood up to a powerful blast from Sin's hammer. So I don't know what upgrade IF has that will be too much for Steve to handle with his shield. But Steve is better tactically with an enhanced mind. Whatever IF does in this fight won't work twice on Steve. And Moves like the shockwave will only cause the helicarrier to crash or be destroyed with both men on it.

It's all about the shield in this fight. No shield, he gets beat. I tell you, that shield is a life-saver.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap's shield stood up to a powerful blast from Sin's hammer. So I don't know what upgrade IF has that will be too much for Steve to handle with his shield. But Steve is better tactically with an enhanced mind. Whatever IF does in this fight won't work twice on Steve. And Moves like the shockwave will only cause the helicarrier to crash or be destroyed with both men on it.

He's not going to block all attacks, Iron Fist is too good.

Danny doesn't have to strike with all power. In New Avengers he disposed of Hand ninjas via ground pounds without endangering his teammates/causing serious earthquakes, iirc. And both him and Steve could just jump off it anyway. Rand would survive if he turned himself into a human "bullet".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's not going to block all attacks, Iron Fist is too good.

Danny doesn't have to strike with all power. In New Avengers he disposed of Hand ninjas via ground pounds without endangering his teammates/causing serious earthquakes, iirc. And both him and Steve could just jump off it anyway. Rand would survive if he turned himself into a human "bullet".

Yes and the attacks that do get trough won't just put Cap down and out. Cap can roll with his attacks as well. Steve knows how powerful IF is and won't let him land too many attacks that can cause real damge.

Steve's durability and fast healing will allow Steve to take several blows from Danny and should be noted.

Not sure why Spiderman is being brought up. But as far as track record Cap has done better against him then Danny. Calling it PIS sounds like a cop out.

Second there past fight leads me to say Steve for the win. I know Danny has improved but so has Steve considering how he treats most of his old rogues that aren't new.


Also because of the shield it will be more easier for Steve to hit Danny, then Danny to hit Steve IMO. Though I'm sure Danny can tag him of course. I just see more times Steve landing the KO hit, the majority times before Danny finds his.

Danny has improved MUCH more than Steve.

IF wins.

Case closed.

IF wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
Danny has improved MUCH more than Steve.

.

very true

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes and the attacks that do get trough won't just put Cap down and out. Cap can roll with his attacks as well. Steve knows how powerful IF is and won't let him land too many attacks that can cause real damge.

Steve's durability and fast healing will allow Steve to take several blows from Danny and should be noted.

They'll do more damage than Cap's attacks, though.

Rand has taken the IF punch from some guy to his head and not only stayed alive, he wasn't even knocked out. His durability is nothing to laugh at either.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They'll do more damage than Cap's attacks, though.

Rand has taken the IF punch from some guy to his head and not only stayed alive, he wasn't even knocked out. His durability is nothing to laugh at either. And he had to continually fight day after day before that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They'll do more damage than Cap's attacks, though.

Rand has taken the IF punch from some guy to his head and not only stayed alive, he wasn't even knocked out. His durability is nothing to laugh at either.

More than an enraged Namor? I don't think so...

He can hit as hard as Namor.

He's also a much better fighter than Namor.

That doesn't bode well for Cap.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
More than an enraged Namor? I don't think so...

Eh? Cap can't dish out more damage than pissed Namor either Seems like you misread my post or something. What I meant to say was that Fist has a better damage output.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They'll do more damage than Cap's attacks, though.

Rand has taken the IF punch from some guy to his head and not only stayed alive, he wasn't even knocked out. His durability is nothing to laugh at either.


I've seen Batroc take a IronFist punch in there fight and he wasn't KO'ed either.

Steve even took on and beat several security guards on the SSS (without the SSS activated in him) i.e. Steve defeated several foes who's strength, speed, reaction time and durability far surpass his own.

Steve also solos an entire group of armed dark elf warriors and wasn't hit once (without his shield). IF is one man. And Steve owned Fafnir.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I've seen Batroc take a IronFist punch in there fight and he wasn't KO'ed either.

Classic Iron Fist. Big difference. Batroc took that punch to his damn foot and shitted himself nonetheless.

Originally posted by Mindset
He can hit as hard as Namor.

He's also a much better fighter than Namor.

That doesn't bode well for Cap.



Have you seen how hard Cap can hit with his shield??? Its no IF technique mind you put he has put down guys like Master Man, Hyde, and has even sent it through a Tank. And has even hurt Woman Man with it.

Unless under blood lust neither will be trying to take the others head off, so that point is moot. So with that said since their just going for the KO. Cap plus shield and plus great fighter in his own right should find it.

Its not like Danny looked so great against Logan recently.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I've seen Batroc take a IronFist punch in there fight and he wasn't KO'ed either.

Very true.. But that must be pis too

Yea, a practice fight in which he wasn't using chi, great example.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Classic Iron Fist. Big difference. Batroc took that punch to his damn foot and shitted himself nonetheless.


Yeah his foot was so ok he could run away still easily....LOL. The Ironfist punch that Danny took didn't really look on the level. That's for sure.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, a practice fight in which he wasn't using chi, great example.


Actually the rule was no "Fist" and Logan no claw. Logan didn't say no chi. There's a difference.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually the rule was no "Fist" and Logan no claw. Logan didn't say no chi. There's a difference. I know what was said.

He didn't use chi.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Have you seen how hard Cap can hit with his shield??? Its no IF technique mind you put he has put down guys like Master Man, Hyde, and has even sent it through a Tank. And has even hurt Woman Man with it.

Unless under blood lust neither will be trying to take the others head off, so that point is moot. So with that said since their just going for the KO. Cap plus shield and plus great fighter in his own right should find it.

Its not like Danny looked so great against Logan recently.

Cap even stopped Namor in his tracks with a shield jab to the throat for a moment.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Very true.. But that must be pis too

So Steve taking Iron Man and Namor isn't pis because he's done it before and just show how durable he is. Yet Batroc taking an IF punch shows that Danny's attack is weak and isn't simply a low showing unlike his many high ones?


Cuz Danny has consistently dropped very durable people and things but it only counts for steve right?

So we all agree IF wins, good.

Going to go watch POTC.

Originally posted by Mindset
I know what was said.

He didn't use chi.

Shang Chi uses chi all the time. Just because you don't see the actual energy doesn't mean its not being used.

Danny wins this decisively.

I'm glad we all agree.

Shang isn't Danny.

But like I said.

POTC.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny wins this decisively.

I'm glad we all agree.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Shang Chi uses chi all the time. Just because you don't see the actual energy doesn't mean its not being used.

He wasn't using Chi thought beyond what he needs to live. Unless you think he can't even knock Logan down with a direct hit to the face and back? He even said he wasn't trying as hard as Logan was.

Originally posted by Mindset
Shang isn't Danny.

But like I said.

POTC.


And yet your claim of Danny not using chi is unproven.

Originally posted by jalek moye
So Steve taking Iron Man and Namor isn't pis because he's done it before and just show how durable he is. Yet Batroc taking an IF punch shows that Danny's attack is weak and isn't simply a low showing unlike his many high ones?


Cuz Danny has consistently dropped very durable people and things but it only counts for steve right?

No that's not pis... You can call it a low showing if you want.

But the shield is here people, it's here. And in the hands of Cap. So unless Cap forgot how to defend and counter attack with it. He's holding his own here..

Originally posted by jalek moye
He wasn't using Chi thought beyond what he needs to live. Unless you think he can't even knock Logan down with a direct hit to the face and back? He even said he wasn't trying as hard as Logan was.



He coughed before saying he wasn't trying as hard. And Logan answered with a sure.


You do know what that implies, right?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No that's not pis... You can call it a low showing if you want.



You are acting like Batroc taking it is the norm yet want us to accept Steve taking Namor the norm. You can't take shitty danny ones and only the highest steve ones.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And yet your claim of Danny not using chi is unproven. Prove he was.

Now leave me alone and let me watch my movie.

Originally posted by jalek moye
You are acting like Batroc taking it is the norm yet want us to accept Steve taking Namor the norm. You can't take shitty danny ones and only the highest steve ones.


To be fair I only brought it up because Danny fans were sure that Danny's head is durable enough to with stand a full on Iron Fist technique.

But that scan sure fails to illustrate that it was indeed a very maxed out power full one hence why I brought up Batroc.

If Cap's damage soak from Namor is not that norm for you. Do you see Danny surviving 200 ft falls from a plane or letting War Machine crash land you via a high altitude as a blunt impact weapon?

Now I could see Danny surviving these type of falls through the use of his mystical ki tricks or Iron Fist to burst the ground and re-direct him. But other then that could he?

Originally posted by Mindset
Prove he was.

Now leave me alone and let me watch my movie.


You made the claim first so its on you.

Originally posted by jalek moye
You are acting like Batroc taking it is the norm yet want us to accept Steve taking Namor the norm. You can't take shitty danny ones and only the highest steve ones.

I said you can call it what you want. I neither care or disagree, because it's irrelevant... What is relevant, is the fact that Steve IS more tactical and has MORE experience. The fact that Cap can and will defend against IF more powerful attacks and counter attack with his shield.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
To be fair I only brought it up because Danny fans were sure that Danny's head is durable enough to with stand a full on Iron Fist technique.

But that scan sure fails to illustrate that it was indeed a very maxed out power full one hence why I brought up Batroc.

If Cap's damage soak from Namor is not that norm for you. Do you see Danny surviving 200 ft falls from a plane or letting War Machine crash land you via a high altitude as a blunt impact weapon?

Now I could see Danny surviving these type of falls through the use of his mystical ki tricks or Iron Fist to burst the ground and re-direct him. But other then that could he?

200 foot falls yes. Being crashed down by War machine nope unless he was using chi to prepare himself or something.

My comment was directed at marvelknight though since he wants to only bring up that but seemed to use that as an explanation for Danny's power output. I'm saying if you only want to consider steves high durability showings don't look at something like Batroc and discredit the Class 100 attacks Danny has done.

That's all i'm saying

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I said you can call it what you want. I neither care or disagree, because it's irrelevant... What is relevant, is the fact that Steve IS more tactical and has MORE experienced. The fact that he can and will defend against IF more powerful attacks and counter attack with his shield.

The fact is his experience won't mean much here since it's not like Danny is a noob, he's a master as well, both of these chars have beaten chars more experienced than both of them combined after all.

The Fact is that Danny can take more steve's attacks then Steve can of Danny, yes the shield makes it close but Danny will get him and it only takes one to open steve up enough for the rest.

Originally posted by jalek moye
The fact is his experience won't mean much here since it's not like Danny is a noob, he's a master as well, both of these chars have beaten chars more experienced than both of them combined after all.

The Fact is that Danny can take more steve's attacks then Steve can of Danny, yes the shield makes it close but Danny will get him and it only takes one to open steve up enough for the rest.

Not a fact... So Steve can't put Danny down with his strength along with the shield? I highly doubt that... He's put down others with skill and raw power alone. Steve knows where to hit and how. Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve. Steve taking less is unlikely when he has a indestructible weapon at his side, body armor and faster healing.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Not a fact... So Steve can't put Danny down with his strength along with the shield? I highly doubt that... He's put down others with skill and raw power alone. Steve knows where to hit and how. Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve. Steve taking less is unlikely when he has a indestructible weapon at his side armor plus faster healing.

Just as much of a fact as your statement. And did I say he can't put Danny down no? what I said was Danny can put steve down in less hits than the other way around. You really think that Danny can take less direct this than Steve can take direct hits from Danny?

And classic vs current means a lot. It's a completely different powerlevel of the character, you can't honestly say that upgrades and downgrades don't matter when it comes to fights years later.

Cap's good. Not that good. Danny takes him down for a hefty majority.

Iron Fist 8/10.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Just as much of a fact as your statement. And did I say he can't put Danny down no? what I said was Danny can put steve down in less hits than the other way around. You really think that Danny can take less direct this than Steve can take direct hits from Danny?

And classic vs current means a lot. It's a completely different powerlevel of the character, you can't honestly say that upgrades and downgrades don't matter when it comes to fights years later.

How much stronger is Danny now compared to then?

Steve has spared with Valkyrie recently. So he definitely trains himself to take on heavy hitters.

I'm not buying Steve taking less from Danny, because he's taken more from stronger foes.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
How much stronger is Danny now compared to then?

Steve has spared with Valkyrie. So he definitely trains himself to take on heavy hitters.

I'm not buying Steve taking less from Danny, because he's taken more from stronger foes. He's also taken much less. Danny hits like a class 100 as well and has consistently dropped more durable people than Steve in a couple of blows. Steve generally speakings hits somewhere around 1-5 tons of force when it comes to bare knuckle, more with the shield. A class that Danny has no problem taking hits from. Yeah Steve has taken hits form Namor and them and ya know what? Danny has dropped people that have done the same.

As for how much Stronger over twice as strong at the every least along with his main weakness gone, since he has multiple times the chi reserves now no long limiting him to an Iron fist punch every now and than any attack can be a powerful chi one and he'll be fine. He has increased in every way since that fight by multiple levels.

Originally posted by Mindset
Durability/healing is about equal.

In Danny's early days, he was grappling with a walking nuclear reactor that was burning everything around him. Glowing radiation and everything. He was standing point blank when he exploded, leveling most of the building he was in, and it messed him up badly, to the point of near death, but he lived through it.. And than proceeded to use the IF to heal all his injuries.







I think Cap only has one bullet timing feat, doesn't he? Where he blocks three or four bullets after they're fired, with the energy shield?

Danny has more similar feats, and some that are tons better.. I posted the scan of him pushing individual projectiles from a machine gun at point blank range. Like, we're talking what Roshi did at the start of Dragon Ball, when he caught each bullet from a machine gun and than just dropped them, only Danny didn't actually catch them, only fling each one to the side..



Caps pretty skilled, true.



Well, they help, but remember Danny faced a dragon just to earn his Iron Fist, and he's faced and beaten Steel Serpent when he had it stolen, breaking bones in his body to do it. That's impressive, considering Steel Serpent was capable of tanking Spidey's punches, and briefly knocked him out with one punch. (And I know Spidey always holds back, but he was still impressed with how well Steel Serpent was taking his blows, even after he got more serious..)

Are you agreeing with me?

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you agreeing with me?

fight fight fight
punch, kick, punch, kick...
chi amp, punch, shield block, shield bash, ko...

cap wins...

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve.

You're ignoring an important detail..

He just fought with the Wrecking Crew. At the time, it was a strain to use the Iron Fist more than once a day, and he used it three times.

And like Jalek said, that's no longer an issue. Danny can keep tossing out as many IF's as he needs.

Originally posted by jalek moye
He's also taken much less. Danny hits like a class 100 as well and has consistently dropped more durable people than Steve in a couple of blows. Steve generally speakings hits somewhere around 1-5 tons of force when it comes to bare knuckle, more with the shield. A class that Danny has no problem taking hits from.


Cap's shield strikes have hurt/stunned Wonderman, Powerman, Hyde, Executioner, Wrecker, Ironman. Its like a mini IF technique.

He's even downed Thunderball briefly and made him bleed with just a regular punch.

I don't think that's a class that Dannys durability can take easily IMO. But obviously Cap won't be using his shield strike at that level. Just like Danny won't be throwing his 100 class IF tech because they are in character and not blood lusted fighting to the death.

So then its just a matter of who can set up the KO shot first or a strike that can leave them help less. This is where Cap will shine IMO because he can shield block and immediately counter strike.

But I doubt you will agree with me.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're ignoring an important detail..

He just fought with the Wrecking Crew. At the time, it was a strain to use the Iron Fist more than once a day, and he used it three times.

And like Jalek said, that's no longer an issue. Danny can keep tossing out as many IF's as he needs.

I'm not ignoring anything and already made note of that. I just know IF's stamina wasn't at Cap's level then or now. And he will get tired fighting way before Cap ever would. I think people are ignoring Cap's physical advantages over IF. Steve will still be fighting at his peak 3 hours into the fight. Will IF?

They wont be fighting for 3 hours...

Anyway, Danny has enhanced stamina from his chi.

They will definitely be fighting for more than an hour.
Also Danny's muscles still build up fatigue toxins over time. It's no contest there, Cap's has better physically conditioning via Super Soldier Serum inside and out.

IF

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Cap's good. Not that good. Danny takes him down for a hefty majority.

Iron Fist 8/10.

Yeah sure... That's not happening.

What's funny is that Maria Hill doesn't think Steve would've had any problems dealing with the likes of Daredevil or Luke Cage. But when it's IF, Cap can't complete the task. I highly doubt that.... Steve only getting two wins here is complete bullshit...

Steve didn't get hit fighting a group of armed elf warriors (no shield or weapons) within a small space, But he can't use his speed and agility to stay out of danger within an larger space to fight? Again BS...

Also IF isn't going to use such destructive power on the helicarrier because they are over N.Y.C. And if it crashes, people can be hurt or killed below and on board the helicarrier. Cis is on here people.

Patriotism > Chi

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Patriotism > Chi
usaflag

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yeah sure... That's not happening.

What's funny is that Maria Hill doesn't think Steve would've had any problems dealing with the likes of Daredevil or Luke Cage. But when it's IF, Cap can't complete the task. I highly doubt that.... Steve only getting two wins here is complete bullshit...

Steve didn't get hit fighting a group of armed elf warriors (no shield or weapons) within a small space, But he can't use his speed and agility to stay out of danger within an larger space to fight? Again BS...

Also IF isn't going to use such destructive power on the helicarrier because they are over N.Y.C. And if it crashes, people can be hurt or killed below and on board the helicarrier. Cis is on here people.
IF>>>Daredevil and >>Luke Cage (unless Bendis is writing him)

And really outside of nerve strikes he shouldn't be phasing Luke since to mirror his argument "He's taken much more and been fine"