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Who wins?

I heard people saying Nova Prime could take Superman, so now he's up against Supergirl, a decidedly weaker character? Something gives...

Wouldn't give Nova a majority against Supes at all.

He still beats Supergirl, though.

Nova.

I swear this has been done..

Supergirl and it's not really close.

^
Nova and it's a little bit close...

;-)

Supergirl and its not close at all

Rider takes this one.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I heard people saying Nova Prime could take Superman, so now he's up against Supergirl, a decidedly weaker character? Something gives...

Nova in his most recent incarnation was often depicted as a character that only used as much power as he needed to get the job done due to, what did you and bada call it, character imposed limitations? So obviously that doesn't sit well with people that like uber power showings.

However whenever he would decide to cut loose, it was usually pretty impressive.

Not sure where the notion of Kara beating Nova in a fight that's "not close at all" is coming from.

Where would you guys place Supergirl Tier wise? High Meta? Low Herald? Mid Herald? High Herald?

Mid-Herald.

@JakeTheBank
In that case I'm going with Nova Prime for the majority then.

Plus your answer encouraged me to go ahead and make an "Appreciation Thread" for a certain someone (no not Supergirl).

She's low to mid-herald imo.

well, she did do well against dd and took out ultraman. her stocks have bee rising lately.

@Prep-Man

Didn't know about the Ultraman fight. Hmm, quick question : How powerful would you say her Heat Vision is, a) in general and b) compared to Superman's?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure where the notion of Kara beating Nova in a fight that's "not close at all" is coming from.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure where the notion of Kara beating Nova in a fight that's "not close at all" is coming from.



Didn't you get the memo? Having an "S" on your chest means an autowin!!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure where the notion of Kara beating Nova in a fight that's "not close at all" is coming from.

If I had to guess, I'd say Herochat.

Anyway, I assume she tiers around the same as Xenith etc or is that off base? How does she fight? How skilled is she?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure where the notion of Kara beating Nova in a fight that's "not close at all" is coming from. It comes from the fact that Supergirl would be in complete control of the fight at all times.

Originally posted by dmills
If I had to guess, I'd say Herochat. What does herochat have to do with any of this?

Originally posted by dmills
Anyway, I assume she tiers around the same as XenithIf by that you mean that she has the same abilities, kind of like how the Thing and Superman have superhuman strength and durability, then yes. But if you mean they're interchangeable, then no. Not to mention psionic interference wouldn't really solve anything, as far as Xenith being relevant.

Lol

Originally posted by dmills
Where would you place her in terms of low/mid/high herald etc? Define what each of those mean.

Originally posted by dmills
Actually neve ..rmind? At least finish up your half-trolling.

Or did you meant to call me Steve? Or Neve?

I didn't know what that was, so I googled it.

Knowing you, I should have foreseen that it had something to do with an ad about women's hygiene.

Originally posted by dmills
vaginal yeast infections. Again, I didn't know what "yeast infections" were, so I googled them.

I'm not entirely sure why you'd know about any of the things you've mentioned thus far. Are you a female, or just a boy, very interested in vagina illnesses and women hygiene products?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I find that highly unlikely. Is this supposed to mean something?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I find that highly unlikely.


Why? Or more to the point -since he won't give a straight answer- What's your boy philo seeing that leads him to believe that she would?

Nova at least 6-7/10

Originally posted by dmills
Why? Or more to the point -since he won't give a straight answer- What's your boy philo seeing that leads him to believe that she would?

I can't speak for Phil, so I don't know where exactly he's coming from as far as Kara vs. Nova goes.

So i'm sure i've asked this before: What kind of feats does Nova Prime have?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So i'm sure i've asked this before: What kind of feats does Nova Prime have?


The kind that guts a transleveler..

Originally posted by -Pr-
So i'm sure i've asked this before: What kind of feats does Nova Prime have?

As a Nova centurion he did well vs Thor even though Thor was far more powerful, fought gladiator to a double tko, beat the Sphinx, absorbed planet busting energy, destroyed the quintronic man etc.

As Nova Prime he had a technical loss to the current Surfer, beat Annihilus, beat Ego, beat the Sphinx with two Ka stones, took on a team of the most powerful Thunderbolts while being portrayed as holding back, oneshotted a team of evil versions of Avengers, was able to briefly physically overpower a mature Technarch, blew up a fleet of ships with a blast so powerful that it registered lightyears away etc.

Originally posted by dmills
Why? Or more to the point -since he won't give a straight answer- What's your boy philo seeing that leads him to believe that she would? Your continuous begging of arguments since you're clueless on Supergirl aside, I'm not the one asking for questions "Which tier would you place her in?" and then going "nevermind, I'm too scared, forget I asked". I'm not the one who ignores/backs away from further establishing what idiotic questions like "which tier?" because you know they're not only irrelevant to the battle, but they're so poorly defined that you can't succesfully make a clear distinction, even with the ones from KMC in front of your face.

If you want to have a normal discussion, don't go 12-years old behaviour on me with 'nevermind I asked!!' or some failed attempt at backhand insult "he's got it from herochat", and then cry that I'm so mean to you.

If you want to have a mature discussion, approach the discussion as such. If you want to have another kind of discussion, again, go ahead. But don't do one, and then act like a little girl because I'm treating you the same.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What feats of hers and Nova's give you the impression she's his vast superior and would dictate the pace of the fight as she pleases? Why don't you tell me what feats of Nova's would make me believe that he can beat her? In fights against opponents with similar powersets, he either resorted to weakness exploitation that are irrelevant to the matter at hand - Xenith, the cheap knock-off of the cheap knock-off, who after Nova got in a few good hits, had him groggy after a few attacks, and if she didn't stop to have a chat would have likely turned off his lights - or Gladiator, who out of plot device stupidity, was going all "Burn! Burn! Burn! (literally) on Nova, who was explaining to him that he was absorbing his blasts as he was doing it. Yes, neither of those were Nova at his best (especially the latter), but can you point out some other comparisons I've been missing? Him being treated like a bug against Silver Surfer, with the latter shrugging off his full gravimetric shot, none of the worse for the wear? Him beating a quantum bandless, weakened Annihilus, by attacking his interior organs, when it was obvious he had not other option? Because the Nova side is argumentless in most of the threads, and keep repeating the same two-three feats over again, in hopes they'll somehow convince somebody. It doesn't.

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you're borrowing the "you mad" meme in hopes that it's some kind of "get out of stupidjail" card, or that you said that right after I made a point that you should stop acting like a spoiled, immature little girl.

Don't tell me he reported me? And it's past midnight here.

That's like asking quanchi for some facts about Thanos.

..

Or Martian Mind about J'onn. ha-som

Originally posted by dmills
What reason would I have to report you? As long as you don't start talking about semen and butt juice coming out of people, you're good with me

butt juice? that's a new one...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't actually checked the reports in a while, so I don't know. I was just reading this thread trying to learn more about Nova... Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.

The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:
Originally posted by dmills
As a Nova centurion he did well vs Thor even though Thor was far more powerful, fought gladiator to a double tko, beat the Sphinx, absorbed planet busting energy, destroyed the quintronic man etc.

As Nova Prime he had a technical loss to the current Surfer, beat Annihilus, beat Ego, beat the Sphinx with two Ka stones, took on a team of the most powerful Thunderbolts while being portrayed as holding back, oneshotted a team of evil versions of Avengers, was able to briefly physically overpower a mature Technarch, blew up a fleet of ships with a blast so powerful that it registered lightyears away etc.

Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts

"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"

My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.

However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought

I'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything

Originally posted by -Pr-
butt juice? that's a new one...

He and bran's "inside" thing apparently.

It's Bran who came up with that, I just ran with it.

Heh.

Ran with it.

Edit: And here he is, butt-juice is like a Bran-signal.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.

The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:


Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts

"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"

My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.

However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought

Bran as the voice of reason ftw

id rank ultraman above nova. and seeing as kara did well against him, i can see her winning at least 6/10 against nova.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.

The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:


Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts

"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"

My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.

However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought

I'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything

Hence why on page one I said;

Originally posted by dmills
Nova in his most recent incarnation was often depicted as a character that only used as much power as he needed to get the job done due to, what did you and bada call it, character imposed limitations? So obviously that doesn't sit well with people that like uber power showings.

That's the reality of it.

Originally posted by dmills
Hence why on page one I said;



That's the reality of it. Good thinking sport!

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good thinking sport!

Don't patronize me booty juice

In all seriousness though, you hit the point home succinctly from an unbiased viewpoint.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.

The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:


Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts

"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"

My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.

However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought

I'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything Nicely done squire

When did Super Skrulls dominate him??

Nova 7/10 at least

@J Bieb

Every hero has context affecting their battles

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
When did Super Skrulls dominate him??

Nova 7/10 at least

@J Bieb

Every hero has context affecting their battles I believe it was an issue right after the Galactus fiasco

But Nova's range from:
Affecting confidence
Opening a Stargate so it causes a universal contradiction
Using their own energy against them
Going into a brain and basically rendering them comatose
Etc

A lot of Nova's wins aren't 'I blasted them and they fall down', it's 'I beat them because I used a 'weakness' of the person I'm fighting against them'
Which is what I meant when I said 'context'

@Pr,

This is a cut and paste job from the respect thread. Sorry bro, but trying to do this from a phone is a major pain.


The Annihilus fight.


http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7626/nova1.th.jpg http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5748/nova2i.th.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9594/nova3.th.jpg http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9054/nova4.th.jpg

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Some people like to point out that Nova only won because Annihilus was weakened. However that doesn't hold water. The bug had 2 possibly 3 amps working in his favor. This was alluded to in the battle a few times. Once those advantages were gone, the fight became fair and Rider ripped his guts out.

Some also point to the Galactus event to say Annihilus was weak from that. However according to these scans, Nova was in the nearby vacinity of the blast as well.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315269892782.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315269907386.jpg

A little misunderstanding with the Thunderbolts


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Originally posted by dmills
Some people like to point out that Nova only won because Annihilus was weakened. However that doesn't hold water. The bug had 2 possibly 3 amps working in his favor. This was alluded to in the battle a few times. Once those advantages were gone, the fight became fair and Rider ripped his guts out.

Some also point to the Galactus event to say Annihilus was weak from that. However according to these scans, Nova was in the nearby vacinity of the blast as well.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315269892782.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315269907386.jpg If Annihilus didn't have a gaping mouth and instead had a human sized mouth, who would have won?

Also, Nova shielded himself while Annihilus took it head on

His 3rd or 4th day being a centurion. Fights Thor.


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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Annihilus didn't have a gaping mouth and instead had a human sized mouth, who would have won?

Also, Nova shielded himself while Annihilus took it head on

He got over powered and let a guy shove his fist all the way down his throat. C'mon brah lol.

The Q-bands shielded him. I doubt he just flat out tanked it. At least that's what I got from it. Phyla mentioned them protecting him.

Originally posted by dmills
He got over powered and let a guy shove his fist all the way down his throat. C'mon brah lol.

The Q-bands shielded him. I doubt he just flat out tanked it. At least that's what I got from it. Phyla mentioned them protecting him. Overpowered? Nova ran at him and grabbed his jaw right away... I don't know how that says overpowered. Unless you're implying he overpowered Annihilus' jaw muscles
You never answered my question though. Does Nova beat Annihilus without what Nova even said was a perceived weakpoint?

It shows him getting hit without the Q Bands shielding him. Before and after he gets hit, there's no shields showing

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Overpowered? Nova ran at him and grabbed his jaw right away... I don't know how that says overpowered. Unless you're implying he overpowered Annihilus' jaw muscles
You never answered my question though. Does Nova beat Annihilus without what Nova even said was a perceived weakpoint?

It shows him getting hit without the Q Bands shielding him. Before and after he gets hit, there's no shields showing

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/nova7.jpg/

I mean unless you can think of a nicer, kinder, gentler way to say it, Annihilus got overpowered during that sequence. Rider runs at him and grabs his mouth, Annihilus is clearly trying to fight him off. He blasts his torso, scratches and claws at his head/helmut etc. He's taller then Rider, so it looks like he gets forced back and down towards the ground and then Rider finishes it. Annihilus sure as hell wasn't just standing there letting him do it, he got forcibly entered and violated. If Nova did that to his booty he'd be arrested.

I'd say so. I mean if he was as helpless as some suggest then I'd imagine Rider would blast him to shyte or eventually beat him to death or something. Whatever Keith Giffen hypothetically decided to do. Especially considering that according to this, he apparently never even used his full power against the bug. Then again I'm a fanboy, so I'm biased

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315291687978.jpg

Again, according to the dialogue, the bands protected him and fueled him. Unless you're arguing that he'd shield himself from Nova, but not the blast that destroyed 3 solar systems.

Funnily enough Annihilation is one of the few Nova stories I HAVE read. I need to think about this...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Overpowered? Nova ran at him and grabbed his jaw right away... I don't know how that says overpowered. Unless you're implying he overpowered Annihilus' jaw muscles
You never answered my question though. Does Nova beat Annihilus without what Nova even said was a perceived weakpoint?

It shows him getting hit without the Q Bands shielding him. Before and after he gets hit, there's no shields showing



so any ol' jobroni can replicate that? um no. he outright gutted him. the same guy who atomized quasar when he was in close proximity. i cant believe ure still not giving the respect.

u talk about context this, context that. no shiet stories are all context based. he's all about controlling himself when he goes about doing his heroics. NP utilizes the super AI he has at his disposal when he get's into fights. Richie does this also to preserve the Worldmind. he isn't going to outslug anyone and everyone right off the bat. he will beat u with info and tactics (ie. Xenith) if he can. also there is his fear of losing control of the Nova force so always cutting lose at any given time is not his tactic of choic. u also talked about how easy it is to lobotomize living planets.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_17.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_18.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_21.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_22.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_23.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/th_astthor_04_24.jpg

like i said. he will dig a little deeper into that well of his when he has to.
funny Thor wasn't able to do this recently. I'm not saying Thor can't, but it ain't that easy...
http://imageshack.us/f/215/nova25oroborosdcp028.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/4/nova25oroborosdcp029.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/88/nova25oroborosdcp030.jpg/

earlier u said he got anal pushed by super skrulls. I think u are mistaken my friend. in fact at the end of that scuffle, Klr't recognizes his power. Klr't urged for them to escape from the Skrull V'ruk class warship, but Richie easily one shots the damned thing! And wut did Klr't say after? Klr't "sometimes if forget how potent you are, terran... much more powerful than all the other puny Xandarians..."

hmm.. lets talk about Moonstone.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8932529/X-Men_-_Legacy_227_015.jpg.html
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Impressive right? Against Nova Prime... not so much...
a holding back Richie one shots her when he realizes she can't be reasoned with. Does it with a wave of a finger.
http://imageshack.us/f/18/nova34006.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/39/nova34007.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/198/nova34020.jpg/
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Give respect where respect is due. that's all im sayin...

Originally posted by dmills
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/nova7.jpg/

I mean unless you can think of a nicer, kinder, gentler way to say it, Annihilus got overpowered during that sequence. Rider runs at him and grabs his mouth, Annihilus is clearly trying to fight him off. He blasts his torso, scratches and claws at his head/helmut etc. He's taller then Rider, so it looks like he gets forced back and down towards the ground and then Rider finishes it. Annihilus sure as hell wasn't just standing there letting him do it, he got forcibly entered and violated. If Nova did that to his booty he'd be arrested.

I'd say so. I mean if he was as helpless as some suggest then I'd imagine Rider would blast him to shyte or eventually beat him to death or something. Whatever Keith Giffen hypothetically decided to do. Especially considering that according to this, he apparently never even used his full power against the bug. Then again I'm a fanboy, so I'm biased

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315291687978.jpg

Again, according to the dialogue, the bands protected him and fueled him. Unless you're arguing that he'd shield himself from Nova, but not the blast that destroyed 3 solar systems.

I guess he's saying Annihilus let Richie grab his mouth, rip it wide open, reach in, and gut him.... yeah.. i can see the way Annihilus was not overpowered there.

Originally posted by dmills
As a Nova centurion he did well vs Thor even though Thor was far more powerful, fought gladiator to a double tko, beat the Sphinx, absorbed planet busting energy, destroyed the quintronic man etc.

As Nova Prime he had a technical loss to the current Surfer, beat Annihilus, beat Ego, beat the Sphinx with two Ka stones, took on a team of the most powerful Thunderbolts while being portrayed as holding back, oneshotted a team of evil versions of Avengers, was able to briefly physically overpower a mature Technarch, blew up a fleet of ships with a blast so powerful that it registered lightyears away etc. Yeah, He beats supergirl. going all out 7-8/10

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Overpowered? Nova ran at him and grabbed his jaw right away... I don't know how that says overpowered. Unless you're implying he overpowered Annihilus' jaw muscles
You never answered my question though. Does Nova beat Annihilus without what Nova even said was a perceived weakpoint?

It shows him getting hit without the Q Bands shielding him. Before and after he gets hit, there's no shields showing


without Annihilus having the Qbands, it showed he has the capacity to. will he go around gutting opponents of Annihilus's level? no. it's just one of those things heroes do. they rise to the occasion. This time he did. does Hal "Krona bust" every trans leveler out there? answer is no.
there's ure context.

Bran's pretty much on the money.

Nova specifically said that the Quantum Bands were fueling Annihilus because surviving Galactus' attack drained him of his power. Which makes sense as we saw him fly into it unprotected at ground zero. With the bands, he was too powerful even in that state for Nova, taking them away is what gave Richard his chance.

Also, Nova didn't overpower Annihilus. Not in a direct contest of strength. He was more ferocious as the moment but that doesn't translate into power.

Nova 7/10

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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like i said. he will dig a little deeper into that well of his when he has to.
funny Thor wasn't able to do this recently. I'm not saying Thor can't, but it ain't that easy...
http://imageshack.us/f/215/nova25oroborosdcp028.jpg/
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1. Alter Ego attacked Thor, blasting him with some kind of cosmic radiation from his core. IIRC, Richard on the other hand attacked Ego's core while they were having a conversation. It should also be noted that he was feeding on their Godly Essences, making him stronger -to the point he survived being destroyed- while weakening them.

2. That's the worst Ego has done against Thor. At one point, he broke through a force field protecting his brain, and then stunned him with a single hammer blast. That was an insane, Galactus level Ego for the record.

3. Thor takes Nova down harder than Surfer.

Quasars shields are best in the business...

Unless it's an energy type he can't effect....

The fact the writers killed him off using annihiuls's who comes from the negative zone which would be opposite the positive energy quasar draws on... Leads me to believe quasars powers were exposed and he wasn't ready... Thus he died. :-(

Quasar just got jobbed. I miss the Gruenwald days.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bran's pretty much on the money.

Nova specifically said that the Quantum Bands were fueling Annihilus because surviving Galactus' attack drained him of his power. Which makes sense as we saw him fly into it unprotected at ground zero. With the bands, he was too powerful even in that state for Nova, taking them away is what gave Richard his chance.

Also, Nova didn't overpower Annihilus. Not in a direct contest of strength. He was more ferocious as the moment but that doesn't translate into power.

No one is arguing the Qbands were amping him. and yet Annihilus flat out said, "Annihilus needs no power save his.. Annihilus is of power".
what happens next? he gets overpowered... will Richie get the majority over Annihilus on a regular basis? no. Is he capable of taking a win, u bet ure bibby.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Alter Ego attacked Thor, blasting him with some kind of cosmic radiation from his core. IIRC, Richard on the other hand attacked Ego's core while they were having a conversation. It should also be noted that he was feeding on their Godly Essences, making him stronger -to the point he survived being destroyed- while weakening them.

2. That's the worst Ego has done against Thor. At one point, he broke through a force field protecting his brain, and then stunned him with a single hammer blast. That was an insane, Galactus level Ego for the record.

3. Thor takes Nova down harder than Surfer.

pshh.. did i say Thor can't do it? I just stated that it's not the easiest thing to lobotomize a living planet. it takes a considerable amount of power. Even Worldmind made a comment about it. and this ain't no Thor thread...

This calls for a Nova vs Annihilus rematch thread...

Originally posted by Bentley
This calls for a Nova vs Annihilus rematch thread...

no it don't...

Annihilus for the large majority...

You're right, I don't know what I was thinking...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bran's pretty much on the money.

Nova specifically said that the Quantum Bands were fueling Annihilus because surviving Galactus' attack drained him of his power. Which makes sense as we saw him fly into it unprotected at ground zero. With the bands, he was too powerful even in that state for Nova, taking them away is what gave Richard his chance.

Also, Nova didn't overpower Annihilus. Not in a direct contest of strength. He was more ferocious as the moment but that doesn't translate into power.

Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.


This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.



C'mon brah, you guys are being ridiculous with that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No one is arguing the Qbands were amping him. and yet Annihilus flat out said, "Annihilus needs no power save his.. Annihilus is of power".
what happens next? he gets overpowered... will he get the majority over Annihilus on a regular basis. I don't think so. Is he capable of taking wins, u bet ure bibby.

Yes, we all know Annihilus is insane and arrogant but that doesn't change what happened. He tanked Galactus attack head on and it drained him.

Nova himself makes it clear:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5418/nova7.jpg

"You keep saying that..but I'm thinking the Quantum Bands fueled you...surviving Galactus drained you..."

He even calls him out on his bullshit.

There's no question he was still very powerful, but if Nova had fought him prior to the herald my rage blast, he would have gotten wrecked, bands or no bands. That much is clear.

It's a nice showing for Richard no doubt, but I don't believe he overpowered him in the classical sense. Ferocity and power some times blur but they are different. Feel free to disagree but that's my honest opinion.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
pshh.. did i say Thor can't do it? I just stated that it's not the easiest thing to lobotomize a living planet. it takes a considerable amount of power. Even Worldmind made a comment about it. and this ain't no Thor thread...

Fair enough.

Originally posted by dmills
Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.


This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.



C'mon brah, you guys are being ridiculous with that.


Amen
they don't want an upstart lurking around their high herald boys club
/thread

Originally posted by dmills
Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.



Unless you have some contradictory evidence I'm not even going to debate the scene in question. It was very straight forward and I don't see how you can disagree based on what we've seen.

What do you mean so what? Nova outright said he was drained. It was the writer explaining why Nova managing to do anything to Annihilus in the first place is possible based on the one sided ass whooping Annihilus gave him and Quasar.

The main reason he was kicking Nova's ass this time was because the Quantum Bands, which were too much combined with whatever power Annihilus had left.

Originally posted by dmills
This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.

I don't understand why you're so flabbergasted. Nova leaped for Annihilus head and stuck his hand down his throat. A great showing no doubt but he didn't overpower him. If they had clashed, with Nova getting into that position I would have agreed but as it is, ferocity won the day, not raw power.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


What do you mean so what? Nova outright said he was drained. It was the writer explaining why Nova managing to do anything to Annihilus in the first place is possible based on the one sided ass whooping Annihilus gave him and Quasar.

The main reason he was kicking Nova's ass this time was because the Quantum Bands, which were too much combined with whatever power Annihilus had left.


how many times does the hero get knocked down, only to get back up and rise to the occasion? all the time.

Thor has been beaten, survives, gets back up, then returns the favor.
this is a common pattern. does Thor not say things like "I have taken your measure, blah, blah, blah,"? then finally beats his opponent at the end of a story arc. i'm pretty sure that's happened a bazillion times. now ure telling us he did not rise to the occasion all those bazillion times. what? he just got lucky? his opponent was drained? Thor does not deserve credit?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He tanked Galactus attack head on and it drained him.


No. He really didn't...

Galactus lifting up the containers that Annihilus was using to siphon the power cosmic.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315336090027.jpg

Annihilus looks at this, realizes what's happening and (bottom left panel)

holy shit, I'd better get the phuck outta here! Flying away with the golden protective hue of guess what...The Q-bands!

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315336105376.jpg

Looks on from a far...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315336971286.jpg

Meanwhile, nearby

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Crawls out from the rubble, guess what? Protected with the golden hue of the Q-bands...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315337645060.jpg


Holy shit, well whudda ya know, we ended up right next to each other. Guess this was fate.


http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315337659104.jpg

So yeah, no. He never took that blast head on. If he gets to use the weakened excuse, so does Rider.

^
lets take excuses for Annihilus even further.
lets simply talk about their confrontation before Phylla stole the Qbands with her little interuption. was it fair for Rich to take Annihilus head on while the bug had the Cosmic Control Rod and the Qbands? wasn't Nova weakened even more after taking on that kind of power head on? and yet he still managed to tear the bug inside out. and that's after Annihilus's proclamation that he doesn't need the Qbands and power cosmic to feast on Rich's flesh. sigh... excuses, excuses...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
^
lets take excuses for Annihilus even further.
lets simply talk about their confrontation before Phylla stole the Qbands with her little interuption. was it fair for Rich to take Annihilus head on while the bug had the Cosmic Control Rod and the Qbands? wasn't Nova weakened even more after taking on that kind of power head on? and yet he still managed to tear the bug inside out. and that's after Annihilus's proclamation that he doesn't need the Qbands and power cosmic to feast on Rich's flesh. sigh... excuses, excuses...

Pretty much. Hell if we made threads like that they'd be closed as spite threads. And rightfully so. I could see it now, "Nova vs Blackbolt+Q-bands". "Nova vs Gladiator+ Q-bands"... It's ridiculous.

And as far as the excuses go, they're running out of them. Now we're getting into just flat out lowballing here. Either that or not reading the material in context and just scan sharking. I mean people were saying Annihilus tanked the blast head on unshielded, when not only was he shielded, but he ran away as far as he could get from Galactus

Fights the Sphinx. Shows his speed, energy absorption ability and some power as well.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315356052-picsay.jpg
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http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-04-07143719-2.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-04-07144008-1.jpg

Little bit of his fight with Evil Quasar

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315271923516.jpg
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Some durability stuff...

Takes the cheapshot blast with no problem.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315272315066.jpg
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Crashes head first into the moon at high speed...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1314338681368.jpg
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No sells Hulk's boy Korg..

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2011-06-05130001-1.jpg

Mjolnir

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1295071524905.jpg

Galactus' worldship energy feeding tube... Heals up and repairs, fresh as a daisy.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315382130534.jpg
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A little info on the source of Novas' power.

See that little ball of energy that Richard is making a mad dash for in the scan?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1314049235761.jpg

That's the Nova force matrix. Essentially its just a conduit that harnesses vacuum energy from the universe or some crap, hence the whole "fundamental force of the universe limitless energy" hyperbole. Think of Richard's body as a bathtub with a pipe that is directly connected to the ocean, and the nova force matrix as the ocean. If I had to guess I'd say Richard usually only has the tub about 60-70% full, but can turn the knob and fill it up with more water as necessary, however a few things make him reluctant to do so.

One issue is the Supernova fiasco. He's reluctant to even take on the power in the first place because of that...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315419632081.jpg

To continue the bathtub analogy, in terms of power, Supernova is what happens when you leave the water running, the tub overflows and the water just runs everywhere. For example...

Has a little fun with Quasar

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296441051906.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296441074862.jpg


Treats amped Spikey Thing and his broad like a couple of cute pet hamsters, then dismisses them.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442503830.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442521962.jpg

No sells Simons' cheapshot, tosses out the garbage

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442441070.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442463117.jpg

Mocks Johnny, turns his back to him and Quasar to continue searching for his target while they blast away...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442537366.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1296442575045.jpg


Yet thanks to the Worldmind, Richard has a modern system in place that siphons off the water and prevents it from overflowing in the first place.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315419632081.jpg

However, even with those safety protocols in place, Nova still nearly loses control. Later pages show him destroying Annihilation wave ships. There were millions of them, he let off a massive blast that destroyed all but a few dozen.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315419968331.jpg

Following that, he was reluctant to use the full thing again. Not even when facing the bug... Increasing Nova Force supply to your bio pattern...You can't give me too much

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315291687978.jpg

The second issue that plays into Novas' psyche is an incident on a planet called Epyrus-7 that took place during the Skrull/Xandar war back in the day. Someone (Diamond head) betrayed Nova's unit and led them into a skrull ambush. Nova lost it and nuked everything, killing both friend and foe. This is further elaborated on in subsequent issues. I don't have them scanned yet but I'll get them up when I can. But basically it talks about how the Xandarians erased the memories from his mind, goes into detail about how the betrayal went down etc.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315426091604.jpg
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http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1315426124953.jpg


So why the disconnect between Nova's true power and his average showings? Some of the people that have written Nova have commented on this. Erik Larsen spoke about having to use plot devices to tone the character down, other writers have commented on this as well.



Dan Abnett talked about similar issues in an audio interview, and about how they had to take time to plot out how powerful he'd be at a given time etc.

Personally I think its a poor excuse because there's a lot of room inbetween beating top tiers in a battle vs being too powerful to keep a series interesting. It doesn't have to be either or imo. But alas... You have the concept of the hero with uber power, but too afraid to use it for various reasons. Therefore he only uses as much as he needs in order to get the job done.

So there it is in a nutshell PR. A crash course in Nova 101. Now hopefully you're actually still looking at this and I haven't completely wasted my time

Any other questions please feel free to ask.

Bump.

Nova Prime.

Kara wins IMO.

Nova still...

SG.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kara wins IMO.

Treacherous little punk ...

Originally posted by dmills
Treacherous little punk ...































Shut it boy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut it boy.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/i69jl0.gif

Whoa whoa whoa. We're cool and all but don't call me boy. That's a step over the comedy line sneer

Originally posted by dmills
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/i69jl0.gif

Whoa whoa whoa. We're cool and all but don't call me boy. That's a step over the comedy line.
Don't be mad bud. I was just impersonating Pr. On another note should I repost kara's respect thread here.hmm

Are you trying to say Pr is a racist?

Reported.

For telling the truth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't be mad bud. I was just impersonating Pr. On another note should I repost kara's respect thread here.hmm

Reported for impersonating a known bigot like Pr sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't be mad bud. I was just impersonating Pr. On another note should I repost kara's respect thread here.hmm

nahhh...

Originally posted by dmills
Reported for impersonating a known bigot like Pr sneer osheet
Reported for reporting me like a douche.uhuh

Anyway, kara did this to superman in three punches

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_018-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_001-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Nova would be lucky to take two of those punches.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, kara did this to superman in three punches

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_018-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_001-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Nova would be lucky to take two of those punches.

Not really the most convincing showing when Clark himself flat out says "I can't... Won't fight you..."

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not really the most convincing showing when Clark himself flat out says "I can't... Won't fight you..."
Obviously his durability was lower. Lulz.

You got this celey?

If Superman wasn't fighting back, do you think Nova couldn't perform the same task, Abhi?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If Superman wasn't fighting back, do you think Nova couldn't perform the same task, Abhi?
Nope, seeing how surfer shrugged off his full gravimetric attack. Superman had to use kryptonite ring to take her out while they were in an enviornment 10 times hotter than sun(apokolips' firepits) or go all out. She also punked ultraman in three hits and bizarro in one hit. She is seriously underestimated here.

Originally posted by dmills
You got this celey?

No you do..



I'm just gonna get my popcorn out..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, seeing how surfer shrugged off his full gravimetric attack. Superman had to use kryptonite ring to take her out while they were in an enviornment 10 times hotter than sun(apokolips' firepits) or go all out. She also punked ultraman in three hits and bizarro in one hit. She is seriously underestimated here.

No one underestimating her here.. She can be beastly. Usually it's Richie who gets underestimated... I'm just liking Nova's versatility.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No you do..



I'm just gonna get my popcorn out..



No one underestimating her here.. She can be beastly. Usually it's Richie who gets underestimated... I'm just liking Nova's versatility.
His versatility can go suck a dick.sneer

If necessary she can IMP him anytime.131

Originally posted by abhilegend
His versatility can go suck a dick.sneer

If necessary she can IMP him anytime.131 So can he.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If necessary she can IMP him anytime.131
no2


Aww come on brah... There's a higher chance of him bedding da beetch than her IMPing anybody up in here...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
no2


Aww come on brah... There's a higher chance of him bedding da beetch than her IMPing anybody up in here...
Dick "I always get my man" Rider isn't in girls. Not to mention kara wants another "Dick".

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not really the most convincing showing when Clark himself flat out says "I can't... Won't fight you..."

Not to mention Clark kept fighting after that and was fine after he Ko'd her with a kryptonite ring. The difference between letting yourself get hit and getting hit in combat is huge.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not to mention Clark kept fighting after that and was fine after he Ko'd her with a kryptonite ring. The difference between letting yourself get hit and getting hit in combat is huge.
He was almost koed there and his durability wasn't lower due to not fighting back. The difference is that nova isn't superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was almost koed there and his durability wasn't lower due to not fighting back. The difference is that nova isn't superman.

Someone's never been in an actual fight in his life.

Getting his out of combat and in combat are two different deals. The difference is actually enormous. And "UH DERUHBILTY WASNT LOWER" Doesn't change that. The effects of an out of combat strike are much more devastating.

Who said he was?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Someone's never been in an actual fight in his life.

Getting his out of combat and in combat are two different deals. The difference is actually enormous. And "UH DERUHBILTY WASNT LOWER" Doesn't change that. The effects of an out of combat strike are much more devastating.

Who said he was?
Someone doesn't read comics. Superman attacking supergirl wouldn't increase his durability, it would take toll on supergirl's strength. Hercules not wanting to fight WWH and getting his face turn to mush in three hits doesn't means he lowered his durability. Don't act childish, it only makes you look more of a fool. So tell me genius how does superman's "All out combat strike" would increase his durability against punches?

That's why he gets beaten here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone doesn't read comics. Superman attacking supergirl wouldn't increase his durability, it would take toll on supergirl's strength. Hercules not wanting to fight WWH and getting his face turn to mush in three hits doesn't means he lowered his durability. Don't act childish, it only makes you look more of a fool. So tell me genius how does superman's "All out combat strike" would increase his durability against punches?

That's why he gets beaten here.

wtf? smh...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
wtf? smh...
What? He wasn't fighting back so his durability must be lower is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone doesn't read comics. Superman attacking supergirl wouldn't increase his durability, it would take toll on supergirl's strength. Hercules not wanting to fight WWH and getting his face turn to mush in three hits doesn't means he lowered his durability. Don't act childish, it only makes you look more of a fool. So tell me genius how does superman's "All out combat strike" would increase his durability against punches?

That's why he gets beaten here.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/facepalm.gif Good Lord. This is Starscream level.

Lol @ "don't act childish" from you. Don't you have some more cancer affected babies to make fun of?

But ok since you clearly don't know about fighting, here goes. In a fight you get to brace, move, weave, and generally make it so those punches that would otherwise majorly phuck you up, don't do the damage they should. When comparable in strength of course like the situation between Superman and Supergirl. (meaning it doesn't work with like Hulk and Spiderman or something)
Of course durability doesn't lower. Pitiful attempt to try and make something sound wrong to suit your argument (used by Carver btw.)The damage taken is more. That's why cheap shots have more affect than in combat fair shots.

So yes when Hercules decided to let the Hulk hit him, the punches are much more effective. Doesn't mean he'd 4 shot him in an actual fight.


that would be a real world example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYnHGt00nw

that would be a comic world example:

in combat: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk46.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk47.jpg

out of combat:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk49.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk50.jpg

BUT WAIT! Thor should have been almost unconscious with the hits he already took! Look @ what happened in the out of combat situation!

Seriously. Troll harder.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? He wasn't fighting back so his durability must be lower is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

No one used that argument. Quit being stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? He wasn't fighting back so his durability must be lower is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

when someone is clearly not fighting back, durability is almost always affected. ever heard of bracing for impact or rolling with the punches? it is infinitely easier to hurt someone who is not prepared or practically not defending at all. in this case, Clark tried the full on pacifist approach from the start in hopes of Kara snapping out of whatever hold DS has on her. he goes to plan B when he realizes it ain't workin.... come on man, you gotta get up on that readin skills kiid...

That's NOT durability, what you guys are referring to.

The definition of durability is simple. It's defined as how hard your skin is to bruising and penetration.

Rolling with a punch has nothing to do with durability. Afterall it's called...rolling with a punch.

Whether you are prepared for a blow or not, does nothing to your durability.

You can take a punch better if you are prepared of course, but if it was going to bruise you while unprepared, your skin isn't suddenly going to get tougher if you are prepared.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's NOT durability, what you guys are referring to.

The definition of durability is simple. It's defined as how hard your skin is to bruising and penetration.

Rolling with a punch has nothing to do with durability. Afterall it's called...rolling with a punch.

Whether you are prepared for a blow or not, does nothing to your durability.

You can take a punch better if you are prepared of course, but if it was going to bruise you while unprepared, your skin isn't suddenly going to get tougher if you are prepared.

if ure referring to my post I specifically said "affects" durability... anyways it's a moot point. mrlegend left out the part where Clark is right back up a few panels later. he was hurt, but not "hurt"... so it's not like that was such an impressive showing for Kara in da first place like how he tried to portray..

Originally posted by Damborgson

that would be a real world example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYnHGt00nw

LOL, I knew what this was going to be before I clicked it. Pretty much the definitive example now.

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/facepalm.gif Good Lord. This is Starscream level. Yes, your trolling is.

Do this again and I'm reporting you. I made a mistake and I apologised for it from that person.

Irrelevant. He wasn't attacked from behind or suckershotted. Just because he wasn't attacking her doesn't means he wasn't recoiling from her attacks. He wasn't a rigid object when she hit him. Seriously this is some h1 level trolling. ****ing lulz. You think she cheapshotted him from in front of him. Dude, this is some serious trolling.

Nope, you are just grasping on straws. If herc rolls with blows, it doesn't increase his durability. Its his skills otherwise spider man would be in class 100 durability because hey, he rolls with punches from class 100 people. He wouldn't but a brawl is much more than just strength and durability. That's called combat effectiveness.


Irrelevant.

Do you even read the scans you posted? Thor was completely ****ed up, its a testament to his endurance not his durability. Not to mention supergirl didn't cheapshot superman after a long fight, she almost koed him when he knows that he is getting in a fight but chose not to attack her. That doesn't decrease his natural durability. Not to mention superman doesn't fight like you described, he is a tank who tries to take damage because its very difficult to damage him.

I could say the same but you can't troll harder than this.



You already did. Quit being a lier.

2Oy6DwHAi70

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
if ure referring to my post I specifically said "affects" durability... anyways it's a moot point. mrlegend left out the part where Clark is right back up a few panels later. he was hurt, but not "hurt"... so it's not like that was such an impressive showing for Kara in da first place like how he tried to portray..
Did you miss the point where she tossed his almost limp body in firepit and the heat revived him. Anyway rolling with a punch=/=durability. She did infinitely better than how rider did against surfer though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No you do..



I'm just gonna get my popcorn out..

Nah, not really feeling it. Besides, you took an entire year away from the forum so all Nova duties go to you now lol. Oddly enough , iirc this is actually one of the last threads that you debated in before your hiatus lmao!


But no, she's not beating Rider with brute force alone. Shields, armor and his own elite level durability says odds are against it. She's a frickin beast though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did you miss the point where she tossed his almost limp body in firepit and the heat revived him. Anyway rolling with a punch=/=durability. She did infinitely better than how rider did against surfer though.

smh.. he was never out.. he even said "kara stop" before she threw him.. sigh... well u've got to give me some background on Supes by simply being revived by heat... and Supes fully accepting Kara's attacks ain't the same thing as what happened b/n Norrin and Richie.. sigh.........

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
when someone is clearly not fighting back, durability is almost always affected. ever heard of bracing for impact or rolling with the punches? it is infinitely easier to hurt someone who is not prepared or practically not defending at all. in this case, Clark tried the full on pacifist approach from the start in hopes of Kara snapping out of whatever hold DS has on her. he goes to plan B when he realizes it ain't workin.... come on man, you gotta get up on that readin skills kiid...
Nope. That's the case with cheapshots. Besides superman doesn't roll with punches, he tanks everything. Clark wasn't fighting back sure, that doesn't means his blunt force durability which is THE best in herald tier besides juggy was lowered or even that he wasn't bracing. Here he moves back from her initial two attacks


http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

How's that possible if he wasn't bracing himself? If he wasn't bracing he would have been thrown around like a ragdoll.

You telling me to better my reading skills=facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. That's the case with cheapshots. Besides superman doesn't roll with punches, he tanks everything. Clark wasn't fighting back sure, that doesn't means his blunt force durability which is THE best in herald tier besides juggy was lowered or even that he wasn't bracing. Here he moves back from her initial two attacks


http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

How's that possible if he wasn't bracing himself? If he wasn't bracing he would have been thrown around like a ragdoll.

You telling me to better my reading skills=facepalm

oy vey.. in comics just because u weren't bracing, doesn't always mean you will get displaced a long way from a hit... come on man, u betta than that...

If you 'forget' to use an r again in words that end with it, I will hunt you down and and kill you myself.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
smh.. he was never out.. he even said "kara stop" before she threw him.. sigh... well u've got to give me some background on Supes by simply being revived by heat... and Supes fully accepting Kara's attacks ain't the same thing as what happened b/n Norrin and Richie.. sigh.........
I said "almost koed". Seriously dude, he goes limp with three strikes and she throws his limp body in a firepit which is 10 times hotter than sun while he weakly protests "Kara stop" and you think he was mildly hurt? Yeah, surfer shrugged off his full gravimetric blast without "rolling with it" which is what you are basing your theory upon. Yep, this is basically trolling.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
If you 'forget' to use an r again in words that end with it, I will hunt you down and and kill you myself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, your trolling is.

Do this again and I'm reporting you. I made a mistake and I apologised for it from that person.

Irrelevant. He wasn't attacked from behind or suckershotted. Just because he wasn't attacking her doesn't means he wasn't recoiling from her attacks. He wasn't a rigid object when she hit him. Seriously this is some h1 level trolling. ****ing lulz. You think she cheapshotted him from in front of him. Dude, this is some serious trolling.

Nope, you are just grasping on straws. If herc rolls with blows, it doesn't increase his durability. Its his skills otherwise spider man would be in class 100 durability because hey, he rolls with punches from class 100 people. He wouldn't but a brawl is much more than just strength and durability. That's called combat effectiveness.


Irrelevant.

Do you even read the scans you posted? Thor was completely ****ed up, its a testament to his endurance not his durability. Not to mention supergirl didn't cheapshot superman after a long fight, she almost koed him when he knows that he is getting in a fight but chose not to attack her. That doesn't decrease his natural durability. Not to mention superman doesn't fight like you described, he is a tank who tries to take damage because its very difficult to damage him.

I could say the same but you can't troll harder than this.



You already did. Quit being a lier.

Excellent comeback. I applaud.

You didn't make a mistake. You did it with all the intention to hurt by using a low blow. Against a child no less. You were threatened with ban then you reaction : "Oh sorry" Phucking worthless.

I say starscream you say h1. lol using my own attack on you? Nice. Get some new material. He let her strike him. Which is the point. You're argument was dead before it even began and I'm getting a nice laugh at seeing you squirm like this.

another derp paragraph filled with strawman attempts and irrelevant arguments. nice. Why do you push a dead argument? You countered nothing that I said. Give it a rest.

wow you can't read. You can't even read when their are pretty pictures in the midst.

In combat: Thor takes the hits and wins. Out of combat Thor gets horribly beaten and with only a few punches.

Superman didn't know the next thing that was going to happen was Supergirl attacking him.

And to top it off: "IT DOESNT DECREASE HIS DURABILITY!!!!1111" No one's arguing that. So sad.

No trolling, giving you a reality check.

Yes I'll stop being a "lier" whatever that is. It's the internet. Hard to lie.

What's up with people calling each other trolls? I just don't get it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
If you 'forget' to use an r again in words that end with it, I will hunt you down and and kill you myself.


aww come on maaan... don't playa hate... just dissipate

Originally posted by carver9
What's up with people calling each other trolls? I just don't get it.

cept me.. i dont be sayin dat..

Originally posted by carver9
What's up with people calling each other trolls? I just don't get it.

I could call him a F*cking idiot instead. Helps to use troll. Less tension.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said "almost koed". Seriously dude, he goes limp with three strikes and she throws his limp body in a firepit which is 10 times hotter than sun while he weakly protests "Kara stop" and you think he was mildly hurt? Yeah, surfer shrugged off his full gravimetric blast without "rolling with it" which is what you are basing your theory upon. Yep, this is basically trolling.

u thought that was a "full" powered attack? when he usually askd WM for a "full" powred attack, it usually means only up to what is safe for him and everyone else... a true full powered attack from the Nova force will phuck up a herald. there are safety measure in place so that Richie does not unleash too much of the Nova force.
bahaha.. all you had to do was ask.. if you didn't know bout Nova, simply ask peeps like dmills. come on man... u betta dan dat...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
aww come on maaan... don't playa hate... just dissipate



cept me.. i dont be sayin dat..

Say good bye to tomorrow.

You won't see it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Say good bye to tomorrow.

You won't see it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Say good bye to tomorrow.

You won't see it.

Lmfao!

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Say good bye to tomorrow.

You won't see it.

I'll be waitin.. I'll also be "bracing" for an attack. Maybe "roll" with some punches so dat my durability won't take much of a hit.. na mean brah???

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'll be waitin.. I'll also be "bracing" for an attack. Maybe "roll" with some punches so dat my durability won't take much of a hit.. na mean brah???


I knowchursayn.

Knamsayn?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I knowchursayn.

Knamsayn?

pshhh.....
sly