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Terrax, Apocalypse, and Champion (no gem) run the following gauntlet, with no BFR and getting rested and healed between rounds:

1. Thor
2. U-Foes and The Wrecking Crew
3. Guy Gardner and John Stewart
4. Giant-Man, Atlas, Giganta, Goliath (Clint), Goliath (Bill Foster), Goliath (Tom Foster), Cassie Lang, Atom Smasher, Maul
5. Surfer and Superman

Re-arrange your list to :

Ufoes and WC
Guy and John
Giant man, Atlas, Giganta, Goliath, Goliath, Goliath, Cassie Long, Atom Smasher, Maul
Thor
Surfer Superman

Jobbers make it up to Thor and stop.

^ Rather arrogant and presumptuous of you to tell someone to change their own thread, eh?

Originally posted by Cogito
^ Rather arrogant and presumptuous of you to tell someone to change their own thread, eh?

Originally posted by zopzop
Re-arrange your list to :

Ufoes and WC
Guy and John
Giant man, Atlas, Giganta, Goliath, Goliath, Goliath, Cassie Long, Atom Smasher, Maul
Thor
Surfer Superman

Jobbers make it up to Thor and stop.

Order is often relative. Thor might do better against some of the later teams than the jobbers would, but I see the jobbers having an easier time against Thor -- for one thing, Apocalypse and Champion have sufficient strength and durability to give Thor a hard time by themselves, and Terrax's axe can kill Thor outright with a good strike, and badly wound him with a lesser one. Without BFR, I do not see him winning against the Jobbers.

During Blood and Thunder, Thor was handling high heralds like children. There are no high heralds on the Jobber Team. Drax OHKOed an amped Champion and Thor has gone toe to toe vs Power Gem Drax.

Thor sould definetly not be first.

They stop there. Good idea for a thread though.

Originally posted by zopzop
During Blood and Thunder, Thor was handling high heralds like children. There are no high heralds on the Jobber Team. Drax OHKOed an amped Champion and Thor has gone toe to toe vs Power Gem Drax.

Regular Thor isn't at those levels, and your ABC logic is crap. Thor would definitely beat Apocalypse or champion in one-on-one fights, but they would not be easy victories; here he is to face them alongside someone that has given decent fights to both Surfer and Morg, and whose axe, with a well-placed strike, can kill Thor instantly. So tell me, how does Thor win?

Originally posted by Simbon
Regular Thor isn't at those levels, and your ABC logic is crap. Thor would definitely beat Apocalypse or champion in one-on-one fights, but they would not be easy victories; here he is to face them alongside someone that has given decent fights to both Surfer and Morg, and whose axe, with a well-placed strike, can kill Thor instantly. So tell me, how does Thor win?

Straight up, Champion and Apoc are jokes. They aren't anywhere in Thor's league. Terrax is mid herald at best. What's stopping Thor from one shotting Champion (who has NO amps, not the Gem or his Gauntlets)like Drax did? The same Drax that couldn't do jack vs Thor even when he had the Power Gem? Then killing Terrax like he almost killed Worthy Thing, then throwing a table at Apoc forcing him to flee?

Originally posted by zopzop
Straight up, Champion and Apoc are jokes. They aren't anywhere in Thor's league. Terrax is mid herald at best. What's stopping Thor from one shotting Champion (who has NO amps, not the Gem or his Gauntlets)like Drax did? The same Drax that couldn't do jack vs Thor even when he had the Power Gem? Then killing Terrax like he almost killed Worthy Thing, then throwing a table at Apoc forcing him to flee?

I forgot to specify in the stips: in this gauntlet, they will not be Jobbing.

Originally posted by Simbon
I forgot to specify in the stips: in this gauntlet, they will not be Jobbing.

Who have these Jobbers fought against and beat that makes you think they'd stand a chance vs Thor?

I guess you can throw in the High Evolutionary/Apoc "fight" where the High Ev didn't seem like he was even interested in fighting and it was Apoc that was pushing things. But Terrax, Champion? What do they have?

Originally posted by Simbon
Terrax's axe can kill Thor outright with a good strike, and badly wound him with a lesser one.
Originally posted by Simbon
whose axe, with a well-placed strike, can kill Thor instantly.?

Terrax can't kill Thor with a well placed axe strike. He'd be extremely lucky to score a knock out. I mean really.

The team should beat a regular everyday Thor for a majority.

Apocalypse isn't really a jobber

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Apocalypse isn't really a jobber

Exactly, he just sucks as a character :
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/apocvsnamor1.jpg

If that put the fear of God into him, imagine what Mjolnir would do?

http://i53.tinypic.com/33o4efn.jpg

You're making Clownpocalypse sad...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://i53.tinypic.com/33o4efn.jpg

You're making Clownpocalypse sad...

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly, he just sucks as a character not that either. assh0le

right now red hulk is a jobber as all he seems to do is get the shit kicked out of him by characters to show you they're the real deal, and nobody cares or should care cause red hulk is deserving of such treatment.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not that either. assh0le

right now red hulk is a jobber as all he seems to do is get the shit kicked out of him by characters to show you they're the real deal, and nobody cares or should care cause red hulk is deserving of such treatment.

But in Red Hulk's defense, at least he had some nice fights before they started jobbing him out. Killing Grandmaster, KOing(?) Uatu, talking smack to Dormammu before leaping right through him, pummeling Odinforce Thor, etc...

Even his loss to Worthy Thing was explained away as him not wanting to use his energy absorption powers because it would mean the end of him going back to his non Hulk form or something.

Apoc and Champion don't have anything that really sticks out fight wise. Terrax had a good showing or two but still....

apocalypse get's more done without fighting, and even then he did kick some ass (fought loki, ikaris, and the high evolutionary straight up), it was mostly due to his lackeys' incompetence. by reviving him too early from his lazerus chamber and then all the subsequent fights he had in close succession during x-cutioner's song, he lost his original body and a lot of his power.

he still managed to solo the x-men while near his death bed.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypsevsx-men1.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypsevzx-men2.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypsevsx-men3.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypsevsx-men4.png

But in the Loki "fight", Loki was visiting Apoc in his lair when things got ugly and Apoc still resorted to using his machines to cage Loki. Loki broke free and said he was bored of the whole situation and blew up Apoc's screen. What would have happened to Apoc if they weren't fighting in his lair and he couldn't use it's tech?

Vs HE, the HE wasn't even interested in fighting. It was Apoc that just kept pushing the issue. It was a minor scuffle at best.

I'll give you the Ikaris fight, I completely forgot about that. That was a good showing while Ikaris was the Prime Eternal too right?

The X-men fight was meh. Iceman, Beast, Colossus, Archangel, and Quicksilver are meh. yucky

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Terrax can't kill Thor with a well placed axe strike. He'd be extremely lucky to score a knock out. I mean really.

The team should beat a regular everyday Thor for a majority.

Terrax's axe can kill herald-levellers with a single blow -- this was shown by Rulk, and also when Terrax cut Rondau in half. Also, it was stated that a blow from the axe to Surfer's head would kill him.

Originally posted by zopzop
But in the Loki "fight", Loki was visiting Apoc in his lair when things got ugly and Apoc still resorted to using his machines to cage Loki. Loki broke free and said he was bored of the whole situation and blew up Apoc's screen. What would have happened to Apoc if they weren't fighting in his lair and he couldn't use it's tech?

Vs HE, the HE wasn't even interested in fighting. It was Apoc that just kept pushing the issue. It was a minor scuffle at best.

I'll give you the Ikaris fight, I completely forgot about that. That was a good showing while Ikaris was the Prime Eternal too right?

The X-men fight was meh. Iceman, Beast, Colossus, Archangel, and Quicksilver are meh. yucky

This sounds a lot like "But what have the Romans ever done for us?" Aside from tooling Ikaris, having a very impressive fight against HE, destroying the x-men while on death's door, no-selling a full-strength attack from stryfe, matching Loki in combat, humiliating Exodus, and restraining hulk, what has Apocalypse ever done in combat? Even if you aren't impressed with Apocalypse's damage output, his resistance to conventional attacks means that it would take Thor a good long fight to put him down even in a solo fight.

apocalypse was in dire straights so it's fair, but more importantly it shows that he can easily kick the gold team around (half of the x-team at the time) while dying....the x-men being his main reasons for not getting what he wants.

the writers just have him not win, even when he can casually (age of apocalypse is proof that it happened somewhere/time else at least)

Originally posted by Simbon
This sounds a lot like "But what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Not really. He used his tech in his lair vs Loki and even then Loki got out and ended the fight because he was bored with it. Against the HE, the HE didn't even want to fight, it was Apoc that was pressing the issue. He did nothing to the HE except TP him to watch some cave dwellers revolt or something. Nothing of consequence happened during that fight.

I'll give him the Ikaris fight, that was impressive especially if Ikaris was the Prime Eternal at the time.

Meh to the X-Men fight.

I need to see the Stryfe, Hulk and Exodus incidents to see what was going down so I can't comment on them.

Originally posted by zopzop
I need to see the Stryfe
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypseownsstryfe.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/apocalypseownsstryfe1.jpg

@psycho gundam

Was Stryfe weakened in any way or Apoc amped?

neither

stryfe was pretty strong in that arc, he just legitimately got his shit pushed in by a healthy apocalypse

Any info on the Exodus and Hulk incidents, were they weakened or Apoc amped? You don't have to post scans, I'll take your word for it.

Apocalypse had just been restored to full power after having been earlier attacked in his rejuvenation chamber by Stryfe and Bishop while he was at his weakest, and it took everything both of them had, going all out, to take Apocalypse down, but they couldn't kill him. Archangel helped Apocalypse get his full power back and he no sell'd the assault as seen above. Not an amp, just at full power. And Stryfe wasn't' weakened. He pretty much had X Force dead to rights when Apocalypse showed up with Archangel and put Stryfe down.

^ that

Originally posted by zopzop
Any info on the Exodus and Hulk incidents, were they weakened or Apoc amped? You don't have to post scans, I'll take your word for it. apocalypse abducted hulk to transform him into his latest war (and to test if his theory was correct about surpassing them). prior to the transformation hulk was struggling and apocalypse had to choke a bytch.

Context for this scan?
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
Did he really own Exodus that easily? I mean this guy stood up to Sersi.

Apocalypse made Exodus, and he can destroy him.

Literally and figuratively.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Apocalypse made Exodus, and he can destroy him.

Literally and figuratively.


One sec.

It's no joke, btw. Apocalypse altered Exodus and amplified his latent mental powers to the level he's currently at to use him as a subordinate. Those amps still leave Exodus <<<<<Apocalypse. Same goes for Living Monolith, who is a big threat in his own right, but <<<<<<<Apocalypse. Apocalypse doesn't lose because he's weak, he loses because he's in the X-Men's Rogues Gallery and good always wins. I mean, Apocalypse is the same cat that waded through an all out assault from the Inhumans and X-Factor simultaneously.

@MF DELPH

Yeah, I see that now. The Exodus, Hulk and Ikaris (as Prime Eternal!?) fights + the fact that he had no fear of Loki or HE makes him pretty powerful.
I take it back, Team can indeed beat Thor for the majority. Hell I'm thinking Apoc gives Thor fits solo.

Just call me Delph, or Illa.

Originally posted by zopzop
Context for this scan?
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
Did he really own Exodus that easily? I mean this guy stood up to Sersi.

That is Exodus before he got depowered and imprisoned, even more powerful than in Bloodties.

It is worth noting that Apoc was severely messed up by Cyclops using a plot device on the moon (his only defeat at full power) and hasn`t realy been himself after. Having to rely on host bodied and such. I hope to see him return to his real power levels.

As for the gauntlet, they make it to Surfer & supes. They take out supes before going down.

Originally posted by Simbon
Terrax's axe can kill herald-levellers with a single blow -- this was shown by Rulk, and also when Terrax cut Rondau in half. Also, it was stated that a blow from the axe to Surfer's head would kill him.

Maybe if he had an Executioner type position. Rulk by that point was far more powerful than Terrax from what I remember.

I highly doubt that would happen based on Surfer's fight with Morg alone and I have no idea who Rondau is. Not that any of this matters.

I personally guarantee you if they ever battle, Terrax won't kill Thor with one placed hit. Or Superman and Surfer. If Blood Axe and Perrikus couldn't do it -each are at least as powerful as Terrax- I doubt he could.

@Psycho and Delph

Why don't you two start an Apoc respect thread?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
@Psycho and Delph

Why don't you two start an Apoc respect thread?

Sh|t, they already "converted" me

BTW call him Quanelph

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe if he had an Executioner type position. Rulk by that point was far more powerful than Terrax from what I remember.

I highly doubt that would happen based on Surfer's fight with Morg alone and I have no idea who Rondau is. Not that any of this matters.

I personally guarantee you if they ever battle, Terrax won't kill Thor with one placed hit. Or Superman and Surfer. If Blood Axe and Perrikus couldn't do it -each are at least as powerful as Terrax- I doubt he could.

Randau:
http://imageshack.us/f/716/annihilationheraldsofgac.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/89/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/709/annihilationheraldsofgar.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/585/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/688/annihilationheraldsofgak.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/40/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/43/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/

Destroys a planet:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/annihilationheraldsofga.jpg/

Terrax w/out his full-power displays some physical strength:
http://imageshack.us/f/215/ssv307407a.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/405/ssv307407b.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/685/ssv307408a.jpg/

Terrax on axe's deadliness:
http://imageshack.us/f/51/ssv307416b.jpg/

Terrax's axe is also, aside from UN, the only weapon that has caused Tyrant noticeable physical damage.

Of course I agree with you that Terrax wouldn't win a fight against Thor in a comic, let alone kill him with his axe; however, I think it is clear that the axe, when wielded by someone of Terrax's strength, has the physical power to kill Thor if it hit him in the right place. When Terrax has two team-mates, and is fighting in a forum, not a comic, that makes such an occurrence much more likely.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
@Psycho and Delph

Why don't you two start an Apoc respect thread?

Apoc could definitely use a new thread, but it might be a good idea to wait -- it seems very likely that Apocalypse will come back at the end of the current x-force story.

Originally posted by Simbon
Of course I agree with you that Terrax wouldn't win a fight against Thor in a comic, let alone kill him with his axe; however, I think it is clear that the axe, when wielded by someone of Terrax's strength, has the physical power to kill Thor if it hit him in the right place. When Terrax has two team-mates, and is fighting in a forum, not a comic, that makes such an occurrence much more likely.

Thanks for the scans. I had forgotten about that battle, always focused on the planet destroying.

All of those are no doubt impressive (I don't believe he could kill Surfer with a single strike, especially since Morg had pounded on Surfer repeatedly without breaking his cosmic shell) but nothing there still supports the stance that he could kill Thor with one well placed hit. The best evidence so far is the battle with Randou or whatever and even then we have zero clue as to how durable he was. Not to mention that Thor has battled other opponents with bladed weapons without dying from direct hits. Terrax might be able to draw real blood depending on the writer/artist but I highly doubt he'd even knock out Thor much less kill him with a single hit. Bloodaxe, Amped Thunderstrike, Hrinmeer, Perrikus and the Destroyer but to a lesser degree simply disprove he stance.

Credit it to his durability and/or comics but it's mho.

Lol at Thor solo. Only in Thor fanboy world

Originally posted by Parmaniac
@Psycho and Delph

Why don't you two start an Apoc respect thread? sounds like a plan