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Juggernaut as Kurrth

vs

Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk, Superman, Hal Jordan and Wonder Woman



http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39876/1762078-detail.jpg

BFR FTW!

Kuruth can't be bfr. He wins slowly, but eventually.

Team. They remove his helmet and Surfer mind rapes him.

Team

Originally posted by h1a8
Kuruth can't be bfr. He wins slowly, but eventually. what power stops him from having Thor teleport his ass into deep space?

Kurrth.

Originally posted by Damborgson
what power stops him from having Thor teleport his ass into deep space? You must didn't read the comic or see the scans?

Kuruth was teleported over and over (in the sun, in the ocean, etc.) and he kept teleporting back instantly. It was nothing anyone could do to him but Colossus (who has the power of the Juggernaut now).

Originally posted by h1a8
You must didn't read the comic or see the scans?

Kuruth was teleported over and over (in the sun, in the ocean, etc.) and he kept teleporting back instantly. It was nothing anyone could do to him but Colossus (who has the power of the Juggernaut now). ah i see i see. Kinda stupid but ok then no BFR. Team 2 for the win still though.

Thor would win it solo. We all know it's true but it'll be painful for some to admit.

lol. He kills Thor with ease.

Thor did cut off Classic Juggernaut's power once, right?

Wonder Woman's lasso might work as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol. He kills Thor with ease.

Even if he could beat Thor (I know, unlikely) there is no way he's taking down the Thunder God easy.

Thor is at least a peer to Worthy Juggernaut in power. Get mad.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol. He kills Thor with ease. hmm despite no BRF this deserves a : http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/facepalm.gif

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor is at least a peer to Worthy Juggernaut in power. Get mad. thor is juggernaut's playtoy.

You are the expert on "playtoys".

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You are the expert on "playtoys". hey remember the old days when I used to debate you on the superiority of hulk vs thor...now we see I was right

and I'm also right on juggernaut's superiority. remember, I've always said that juggernaut is even more durable than galactus.

Originally posted by Starscream M
remember, I've always said that juggernaut is even more durable than galactus.



lol

Originally posted by Starscream M
hey remember the old days when I used to debate you on the superiority of hulk vs thor...now we see I was right

and I'm also right on juggernaut's superiority. remember, I've always said that juggernaut is even more durable than galactus.

Silly me, how could I not accept cartoons as evidence? Hulk's stronger currently but that doesn't reflect on you in any way.

Ah brucey.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Silly me, how could I not accept cartoons as evidence? Hulk's stronger currently but that doesn't reflect on you in any way.

Ah brucey. yes, it was dense of you not to accept cartoons...because they reflect the intent of marvel. which is that hulk is more powerful than thor...you're still too butthurt to accept that truth...the sooner you do, the better you'll feel.

id like to point out that Black Widow KO'd hulk in Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes. So I think the intent is clear that BW > Hulk

Originally posted by Damborgson
id like to point out that Black Widow KO'd hulk in Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes. So I think the intent is clear that BW > Hulk Only in that comic. In the thousands of other comics the intent is that Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BW.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, it was dense of you not to accept cartoons...because they reflect the intent of marvel. which is that hulk is more powerful than thor...you're still too butthurt to accept that truth...the sooner you do, the better you'll feel.

Usually I'd try and make you look more stupid but the fact that you still count non cannon shits says more than I could ever hope to.

Thor > World War Hulk:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar3.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar4.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar5.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/DefeatsGreenScar6.jpg

Thor > Juggernaut:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut3.jpg

Notice how Thor technically one shots Juggernaut.

Originally posted by h1a8
Only in that comic. In the thousands of other comics the intent is that Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BW. It was a cartoon....and I was kidding.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Thor > Juggernaut:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorJuggernaut3.jpg

Notice how Thor technically one shots Juggernaut. What was the context? I bet you're hiding something...like strange removed jugg's enchantment or something. I frankly can't just go on a few pages without knowing the context.

Originally posted by Starscream M
What was the context? I bet you're hiding something...like strange removed jugg's enchantment or something. I frankly can't just go on a few pages without knowing the context.

baka

Because I usually omit details right? Juggernaut wasn't weakened in any way, shape or form.

Thor knocked out Juggernaut straight up with one hit. Get mad.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
baka

Because I usually omit details right? Juggernaut wasn't weakened in any way, shape or form.

Thor one shotted Juggernaut straight up. Get mad. I'm sorry if I don't quite believe that...there's no way in hell thor just KOs juggs without some context that juggs was weakened somehow. I don't mind that it might be noncanon. but that is just ridiculous, thats like spiderman KOing hulk with a punch.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm sorry if I don't quite believe that...there's no way in hell thor just KOs juggs without some context that juggs was weakened somehow. I don't mind that it might be noncanon. but that is just ridiculous, thats like spiderman KOing hulk with a punch.

Juggernaut wasn't weakened. Deal with it.

The writer must have read this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
what power stops him from having Thor teleport his ass into deep space?

Doesn't work. He comes right back in instant. He would be a hand for these guys.

Thor one shotting Juggs is pure pis

Originally posted by DickBlazer
Doesn't work. He comes right back in instant. He would be a hand for these guys. your a bit late to the party bro.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut wasn't weakened. Deal with it.

The writer must have read this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg holy shit...look at the bruise thor gave juggs. look at juggs bleeding from that beating. look at jugg's black eye.

oh right, juggs has not a scratch. not sure how those scans support you. juggs can be staggered, but he cannot be injured...and those scans prove that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
holy shit...look at the bruise thor gave juggs. look at juggs bleeding from that beating. look at jugg's black eye.

oh right, juggs has not a scratch. not sure how those scans support you. juggs can be staggered, but he cannot be injured...and those scans prove that.
Youve obviously never been in a fight.

lol none of those scans were canon...stop trolling

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Youve obviously never been in a fight. actually I have. usually on top.

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually I have. usually on top.
Stop fighting toddlers

Originally posted by Starscream M
holy shit...look at the bruise thor gave juggs. look at juggs bleeding from that beating. look at jugg's black eye.

oh right, juggs has not a scratch. not sure how those scans support you. juggs can be staggered, but he cannot be injured...and those scans prove that.

I never understood this. Who gives a f*ck if he isn't gushing blood or sporting bruises? Thor was about to knock him the f*ck out.

They prove no such thing you silly little man. Unless you think Thor can't ever be bruised etc. based on this fight as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never understood this. Who gives a f*ck if he isn't gushing blood or sporting bruises? Thor was about to knock him the f*ck out.

They prove no such thing you stupid gimp. Unless you think Thor can't ever be bruised etc. based on this fight as well. we have seen thor bruised and bleeding in other fights.

classic juggs never has bled or been bruised. who cares? that's DURABILITY.

juggs being staggered is not an issue of durability. if he doesn't bleed or bruise, that means thor can't injure him. thor can still knock him around though.

Originally posted by Starscream M
we have seen thor bruised and bleeding in other fights.

classic juggs never has bled or been bruised. who cares? that's DURABILITY.

juggs being staggered is not an issue of durability. if he doesn't bleed or bruise, that means thor can't injure him. thor can still knock him around though.
You cant be staggered if your not damaged

Its called being concussed aka BRAIN DAMAGE

Originally posted by Starscream M
we have seen thor bruised and bleeding in other fights.

classic juggs never has bled or been bruised. who cares? that's DURABILITY.

Wrong. Juggernaut has bled and bruised before just like Thor.

This stupid line of thinking where a lack of noticeable physical damage somehow indicates invincibility despite his pain won't fly with me anymore.

Juggernaut isn't special, he doesn't get a pass. Every time you make this argument, I'll make a similar one for Thor, Hulk, Superman, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Colossus etc. There are endless examples.

Originally posted by Starscream M
juggs being staggered is not an issue of durability. if he doesn't bleed or bruise, that means thor can't injure him. thor can still knock him around though.

Juggernaut was getting rocked and was about to be knocked out most likely. That's not an issue of durability? You're a f*cking idiot.

Every time he's rocked, winded or hurt proves shows that he isn't invulnerable to physical damage at the time. Damage doesn't occur only when we see blood.

show me classic juggernaut bruised or bleeding from a physical attack...without some plot device and I'll shut up.

Originally posted by Starscream M
show me classic juggernaut bruised or bleeding from a physical attack...without some plot device and I'll shut up.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/126/spidercx.jpg

Captain Universe beat his ass black and blue. He was in f*cking coma. It should be noted that he probed Juggernaut's mind in search of weaknesses. Apparently it's getting punched in the face.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/126/spidercx.jpg

Captain Universe beat his ass black and blue. He was in f*cking coma. It should be noted that he probed Juggernaut's mind in search of weaknesses. Apparently it's getting punched in the face.

thats not classic juggs

That was the classic Juggernaut and his actions at the end of this story is what leads to the depowered levels he was operating at as a member of the Thunderbolts.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was the classic Juggernaut and his actions at the end of this story is what leads to the depowered levels he was operating at as a member of the Thunderbolts.


iirc he wasnt at full power lvls during the captan universe fight...b u may be correct lemme go look

I'm pretty sure everything post WWhulk and pre thunderbolts he was at full power

Originally posted by Sin I AM
iirc he wasnt at full power lvls during the captan universe fight...b u may be correct lemme go look

Based on?

This was post World War Hulk and pre Thunder Bolts. Full power Juggernaut. It's even made clear in the story, unstoppable this and unstoppable that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on?

This was post World War Hulk and pre Thunder Bolts. Full power Juggernaut. It's even made clear in the story, unstoppable this and unstoppable that. post WWH juggernaut is not CLASSIC juggernaut. I knew you'd pull this shit...that's why I don't trust your scans.

..............................

You're an idiot.

Juggernaut was repowered to classic levels during World War Hulk.

I've never embellished evidence or lied about something. Issue numbers or scans are something I always dig for when asked for a reference. This is also extremely rich coming from the guy who tried to pass off Captain Cold for the Flash.

F*cking needle d*ck, go play with your toys.

lol

Ya Rage. Starscream never asked for a modern Juggernaut operating under the same power levels as he was when he was classic

It's just science

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/126/spidercx.jpg

Captain Universe beat his ass black and blue. He was in f*cking coma. It should be noted that he probed Juggernaut's mind in search of weaknesses. Apparently it's getting punched in the face.

There's context to that fight though, he was KOed by that mental probe that CU unleashed on him :

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1227/tasm629011.th.jpg http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2788/tasm629012.th.jpg

CU admitted that he had to take Juggernaut by surprise so he couldn't brace himself in anyway or he'd never have stopped his charge. CU admitted he couldn't probe his mind because of Juggernaut's helmet and he had to send the Uni-Power through "the openings in his helmet", whatever that means.

Tp probe didnt give juggs a black eye

Originally posted by zopzop
There's context to that fight though, he was KOed by that mental probe that CU unleashed on him :

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1227/tasm629011.th.jpg http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2788/tasm629012.th.jpg

CU admitted that he had to take Juggernaut by surprise so he couldn't brace himself in anyway or he'd never have stopped his charge. CU admitted he couldn't probe his mind because of Juggernaut's helmet and he had to send the Uni-Power through "the openings in his helmet", whatever that means.

Like I said, Captain Universe probed Juggernaut's mind for a weakness.

Where was it stated that he knocked out Juggernaut with a mental attack?

Originally posted by zopzop
There's context to that fight though, he was KOed by that mental probe that CU unleashed on him :

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1227/tasm629011.th.jpg http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2788/tasm629012.th.jpg

CU admitted that he had to take Juggernaut by surprise so he couldn't brace himself in anyway or he'd never have stopped his charge. CU admitted he couldn't probe his mind because of Juggernaut's helmet and he had to send the Uni-Power through "the openings in his helmet", whatever that means.

The question is though how was he bleeding and bruised if there was no physical damage? I'm assuming its from the uni power blast things that broke the helmet

I'm guessing Captain Universe beat his ass down after the probe and then tosses him down to Earth. If he could wreck Juggernaut with one attack then what's the point of probing his mind? Spider-Man also survived a blast from Captain Universe in the arc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm guessing he beat his ass down after the probe and then tosses him down to Earth. If he could wreck Juggernaut with one attack then what's the point of probing his mind? Spider-Man also survived a blast from Captain Universe in the arc.

I'm guessing he didn't because after the probe it just shows him hurtling toward earth.

that's not classic juggernaut regardless.

post-onslaught juggernaut was never the same as classic juggernaut. if you read comics, you would understand this.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm guessing he didn't because after the probe it just shows him hurtling toward earth.

I thought or at least hoped that the flashback wasn't the whole fight. Otherwise Juggernaut comes out looking like utter shit. Which would be surprising as this was written by an old school dude who payed attention to power levels. It also wouldn't make much sense to me, what's the point of probing his mind if a single attack wrecks him?

Like I said, I don't dislike Juggernaut, I just hate the pedestal he's placed on.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's not classic juggernaut regardless.

post-onslaught juggernaut was never the same as classic juggernaut. if you read comics, you would understand this.

At some point I'm going to just start reporting you for trolling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought or at least hoped that the flashback wasn't the whole fight. Otherwise Juggernaut comes out looking like utter shit. Which would be surprising as this was written by an old school dude who payed attention to power levels. It also wouldn't make much sense to me, what's the point of probing his mind if a single attack wrecks him?

Like I said, I don't dislike Juggernaut, I just hate the pedestal he's placed on.

It's not like his body was bruised and broken, just his face, where the Uni-Power "entered his helmet through it's openings", is bruised and bleeding. If he really did get his ass kicked, he would have been in a lot worse shape.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's not like his body was bruised and broken, just his face, where the Uni-Power "entered his helmet through it's openings", is bruised and bleeding. If he really did get his ass kicked, he would have been in a lot worse shape.

I just find it hard to believe that the attack used to rip off his helmet left him in such a sorry state.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At some point I'm going to just start reporting you for trolling. go ahead. you have no basis.

classic juggernaut was nigh phucking invincible. pre-onslaught, nobody could EVER injure him.

come at me bro!

Originally posted by Starscream M
go ahead. you have no basis.

classic juggernaut was nigh phucking invincible. pre-onslaught, nobody could EVER injure him.

come at me bro!
Thor did

Originally posted by Starscream M
go ahead. you have no basis.

classic juggernaut was nigh phucking invincible. pre-onslaught, nobody could EVER injure him.

come at me bro!
What Gecko said plus all the other instances I've come across over the years.

Anyways, I'm done. At some point I have to stop destroying you.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I just find it hard to believe that the attack used to rip off his helmet left him in such a sorry state.

He used a "mental probe" to find Juggernaut's weaknesses. I'm pretty sure once he completed the mental probe, he found out that Juggs was vulnerable to psi attacks without his helmet protecting him. The fact that even the Uni-Power couldn't probe Juggernaut's mind without first removing his helmet is pretty impressive (and even then he had to send the Uni-Power through the openings in the helmet).

Originally posted by Starscream M
go ahead. you have no basis.

classic juggernaut was nigh phucking invincible. pre-onslaught, nobody could EVER injure him.

come at me bro! Except a chandelier

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Except a chandelier

That must have been one bad ass chandelier because he actually cried out in pain, meanwhile he didn't even groan when Thor unleashed a Godblast on his ass.

Medieval chandelier > Godblast!

Originally posted by zopzop
He used a "mental probe" to find Juggernaut's weaknesses. I'm pretty sure once he completed the mental probe, he found out that Juggs was vulnerable to psi attacks without his helmet protecting him. The fact that even the Uni-Power couldn't probe Juggernaut's mind without first removing his helmet is pretty impressive (and even then he had to send the Uni-Power through the openings in the helmet).

Okay, how does that explain being beaten black and blue? The only attack we saw was the energy blast ripping through his helmet. I personally find it weird that the mental probe would as far as their initial encounter went but I guess I could be wrong.

For the record, the Captain managed to access both their minds, trapping them in some mental plane and he even accessed Cain's memories. The helmet made things slightly more difficult but it couldn't prevent him from entering Cain's head if he wanted to apparently. It was an annoyance.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, how does that explain being beaten into a coma? The only attack we saw was the energy blast ripping through his helmet.

Because he himself said he probed his mind to find his weaknesses?



How do know it was some sort of mental plane? Why couldn't it be the Enigma Force's homeplane?

So anyway... Juggernaut was left bruised and bleeding

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he himself said he probed his mind to find his weaknesses?

What?

Originally posted by zopzop
How do know it was some sort of mental plane? Why couldn't it be the Enigma Force's homeplane?

Like Spider-Man said, it was all in their head. It was hit home by the trading of memories and all that. Either way, he accessed Juggernaut's mind through the helmet without any problem so I don't really care.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So anyway... Juggernaut was left bruised and bleeding
Pretty much.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like Spider-Man said, it was all in their head. It was hit home by the trading of memories and all that. Either way, he accessed Juggernaut's mind through the helmet without any problem so I don't really care.

No, Spiderman didn't know for sure if it was all a mind trick or they were transported somewhere else.

Read that scan again, he wanted to probe his mind to find any weaknesses but the helmet was an impediment so he sent the Uni-Power through the helmet's openings. If he couldn't perform a simple probe because of the helmet, how would he drag him to some astral plane with it on?

Originally posted by zopzop
No, Spiderman didn't know for sure if it was all a mind trick or they were transported somewhere else.

Read that scan again, he wanted to probe his mind to find any weaknesses but the helmet was an impediment so he sent the Uni-Power through the helmet's openings. If he couldn't perform a simple probe because of the helmet, how would he drag him to some astral plane with it on?

Spider-Man seemed to think it was most likely all in their heads:
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4034/spider1g.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6703/spider2h.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5496/spider3e.jpg

In such cases I usually defer to the comic. Besides, we saw him clearly enter Juggernaut's mind:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1674/spider4f.jpg

Like I said, either way the helmet doesn't matter when he pushes. There doesn't have to be a contradiction. Impediment can mean annoyance i.e. something that he can overcome with effort.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, either way the helmet doesn't matter when he pushes. There doesn't have to be a contradiction. Impediment can mean annoyance i.e. something that he can overcome with effort.

So why did he have to send the Uni-Power through the "openings" in the helmet? Why not rip it off?

What?

My point is that it's something he can obviously overcome whether through sheer psychic power or finesse. In the end, it's irrelevant when he applied effort.

And he did end up ripping it off.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?

My point is that it's something he can obviously overcome whether through sheer psychic power or finesse. In the end, it's irrelevant when he applied effort.

And he did end up ripping it off.

No he didn't. Read the scans. He had to send the Uni-Power in through the openings of his helmet (because the helmet was stopping his probes). That's a strange way of going about attempting a mind probe if you could just rip it off or blast it off.

Likewise he never overcame Juggernaut's "unstoppability" enhancement and had to take him by surprise.

Originally posted by zopzop
No he didn't. Read the scans. He had to send the Uni-Power in through the openings of his helmet (because the helmet was stopping his probes). That's a strange way of going about attempting a mind probe if you could just rip it off or blast it off.
Did you hit your head in the last hour or something? You posted a scan of him ripping off the helmet with an attack:
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2788/tasm629012.th.jpg

The helmet was an impediment but using finesse he was able to work around it. The second time around he either did the same or used sheer psychic force to go through it:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1674/spider4f.jpg

Either way the helmet doesn't mean anything in the long run.

I'm not sure what you want from me. I'm not the f*cking writer, I'm telling you what happened on panel and you can either choose to accept it or not. It's not my job to put your mind at ease.

Originally posted by zopzop
Likewise he never overcame Juggernaut's "unstoppability" enhancement and had to take him by surprise.

Okay? I never claimed he overcame the enchantment so what's the point of even bringing it up?

I don't even know why I'm wasting time doing this. The worst Saturday night I've had in a while.

Rage, I think it's obvious that he clearly couldn't cut him off from his power source, and had to take him by surprise!

...

Also, was Juggernaut not left bleeding and bruising or something? I don't get the point of this argument.

Yea, we established that Juggernaut got styled on.

I honestly don't know either at this point. I think he claimed that Captain Universe couldn't get through Juggernaut's helmet or something which obviously isn't true based on the scan I posted. Now Zop is using Quan tactics to hang on. Either that or he can't get his points across to save his life.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did you hit your head in the last hour or something? You posted a scan of him ripping off the helmet with an attack:
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2788/tasm629012.th.jpg

Did you READ the scan and not just look at the pretty pictures? He had to send the Uni-Power through the openings of the helmet to perform a psi scan because the helmet was an impediment. Why mention that, if he could just rip it off?

How could he play mind games with Juggs/helmet, if he couldn't even perform a simple mind scan with Juggernaut's helmet on?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think he claimed that Captain Universe couldn't get through Juggernaut's helmet or something which obviously isn't true based on the scan I posted.

But he couldn't! That's the whole point. Otherwise he wouldn't have needed to send the Uni-Power through the helmet's openings.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you READ the scan and not just look at the pretty pictures? He had to send the Uni-Power through the openings of the helmet to perform a psi scan because the helmet was an impediment. Why mention that, if he could just rip it off?

How could he play mind games with Juggs/helmet, if he couldn't even perform a simple mind scan with Juggernaut's helmet on?

I understand what's written. The helmet was a nuisance so he worked around it through the openings. That doesn't change the fact that he RIPPED JUGGERNAUT'S HELMET OFF ON PANEL.

Why are you refusing to acknowledge that this happened? It's non debatable or negotiable in anyway. He also FORCE HIMSELF INTO CAIN'S MIND IN ANOTHER SCENE DESPITE THE HELMET.

I am not the writer. It's not my job to put your mind at ease.

I really hope that the bright colors and large letters will help you understand what I'm saying. I can only say the same thing so many times.

Originally posted by zopzop
But he couldn't! That's the whole point. Otherwise he wouldn't have needed to send the Uni-Power through the helmet's openings.

Did Captain Universe enter Juggernaut's mind in this scene despite the helmet, yes or no?

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1674/spider4f.jpg

I'm going to bed. I hope you can give me a straight answer. I'm bored of this now. Unless you want to battle zone this or something I'm probably done.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I understand what's written. The helmet was a nuisance so he worked around it through the openings. That doesn't change the fact that he RIPPED JUGGERNAUT'S HELMET OFF ON PANEL.

By exploiting the fact that it had openings that he could send the Uni-Power through, do you understand now? Exactly like he didn't overcome the 'unstoppability' enhancement and took Juggernaut by surprise into space.



You realize he could have learned all that when he conducted a psi probe of Juggernaut earlier right and he was just showing him what he found in his mind when he was digging around for weaknesses? What you are suggesting contradicts what CU said earlier about even being able to conduct a simple probe of his mind because his helmet was stopping it.