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Can Zan is the character played by Matthew McConaughey. Street fight. No weapons. John McClane mistakenly thinks he's a fugitive while Denton won't let McClane out alive for challenging him.

McClane, easy.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane, easy. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Him kicking the asses of guys better than Matthew Imkindagay throughout 4 movies, that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Him kicking the asses of guys better than Matthew Imkindagay throughout 4 movies, that. Denton showed an inner toughness even McClane himself would bask in. McClane has some nice damage soak I will give him that but he's been beaten up more than a few times and been saved by a guns has he not ? Denton easily decimated Quinn to the point it wasn't even a challenge and that's starting the fight off with a cheapshot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Denton showed an inner toughness even McClane himself would bask in. McClane has some nice damage soak I will give him that but he's been beaten up more than a few times and been saved by a guns has he not ? Denton easily decimated Quinn to the point it wasn't even a challenge and that's starting the fight off with a cheapshot.

Did you seen Quinn's face? He had a minor bruise and small cut lip, tells me Van Zan punches like a *****, despite his musculature.

McClane wins, he'd solo Van Zan and Quinn.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you seen Quinn's face? He had a minor bruise and small cut lip, tells me Van Zan punches like a *****, despite his musculature.

McClane wins, he'd solo Van Zan and Quinn. MCClane benefited from being the hero who got his butt kicked all the time. Van Zan went up against dragons and successfully hunted them not some small time crooks. Van Zan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
MCClane benefited from being the hero who got his butt kicked all the time. Van Zan went up against dragons and successfully hunted them not some small time crooks. Van Zan wins.

Pretty sure he had an entire team helping him hunt those dragons. Also, how did dragon-hunting turn out for him? Swallowed because he made an idiotic move. Go Van Zan.

McClane has everything going for him here, he can actually make guys suffer with his hands and break necks; Van Zan will just be another chump he outlast.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty sure he had an entire team helping him hunt those dragons. Also, how did dragon-hunting turn out for him? Swallowed because he made an idiotic move. Go Van Zan.

McClane has everything going for him here, he can actually make guys suffer with his hands and break necks; Van Zan will just be another chump he outlast. He sacrificed himself because he didn't fear death. Unlike McClane's foes these dragons wiped the planet. McClane also has had a fat cop who eats donuts feed him vital information in two of the films.

Van Zan was going to kill him until they pulled him off of him. There is no one here to pull him off John.

R.I.P. John McClane.

Van Zan beat up some random dude, and despite being manly... That's all he has going for him in terms of H2H.

McClane wins.

Van Zan jumped off a ****ing rooftop to try to kill a dragon with an axe.

McClane wishes he were half as manly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Van Zan beat up some random dude, and despite being manly... That's all he has going for him in terms of H2H.

McClane wins. How is Quinn some random dude ? The manner in which he died eclipses McClane's entire history of feats and failed marriages. Van Zan leads while McClane follows.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He sacrificed himself because he didn't fear death. Unlike McClane's foes these dragons wiped the planet. McClane also has had a fat cop who eats donuts feed him vital information in two of the films.

Van Zan was going to kill him until they pulled him off of him. There is no one here to pull him off John.

R.I.P. John McClane.

No, it was a stupid move, jumping into a dragon's mouth, let's just call it as it is, k.

Van Zan gave Quinn a mild bruise and a small cut on his lip, despite repeatedly pounding on him. I doubt he's strong enough to harm McClane.

Four movies worth of kicking guys' asses Vs a guy who flexed a lot and has questionable strength. So you're wrong yet again, keep trying though, you're bound to win one of these MVF threads eventually.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it was a stupid move, jumping into a dragon's mouth, let's just call it as it is, k.

Van Zan gave Quinn a mild bruise and a small cut on his lip, despite repeatedly pounding on him. I doubt he's strong enough to harm McClane.

Four movies worth of kicking guys' asses Vs a guy who flexed a lot and has questionable strength. So you're wrong yet again, keep trying though, you're bound to win one of these MVF threads eventually. You really don't get Van Zan. He was selfless and was going up against the most dangerous creature the planet had ever seen not some foreign villain who took over a skyscraper with machine guns. Van Zan sacrificed himself and went out in one of the manliest/most awesome ways a character has ever been killed.

Van Zan crushed him after the fight started off a sucker punch. McClane uses guns and other means after he's getting his ass kicked. Van Zan doesn't reach for a gun because he doesn't have to unless it's a dragon.

McClane also got his ass kicked throughout 4 movies and relied heavily on gunfire to save his weak body.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really don't get Van Zan. He was selfless and was going up against the most dangerous creature the planet had ever seen not some foreign villain who took over a skyscraper with machine guns. Van Zan sacrificed himself and went out in one of the manliest/most awesome ways a character has ever been killed.

Van Zan crushed him after the fight started off a sucker punch. McClane uses guns and other means after he's getting his ass kicked. Van Zan doesn't reach for a gun because he doesn't have to unless it's a dragon.

McClane also got his ass kicked throughout 4 movies and relied heavily on gunfire to save his weak body.

Your man-crush on Van Zan is cute, but it isn't a proper argument without movie feats, bro.

If by "crushed" you mean he tackled Quinn to the ground and beat him so viciously Quinn suffered a minor bruise and small cut lip, then sure.

McClane gets beat down and comes back to kill, it's just how he works and what will happen here, though McClane may start laughing when Van Zan starts hitting him with those cotton-ball-like fist.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your man-crush on Van Zan is cute, but it isn't a proper argument without movie feats, bro.

If by "crushed" you mean he tackled Quinn to the ground and beat him so viciously Quinn suffered a minor bruise and small cut lip, then sure.

McClane gets beat down and comes back to kill, it's just how he works and what will happen here, though McClane may start laughing when Van Zan starts hitting him with those cotton-ball-like fist. The female very specifically says he would have killed you. They saved Quinn's life so despite a cheapshot Van Zan clearly dominated him.

McClane usually looks for a gun when he's getting worked but that cannot happen here. McClane looks for his crutch and dies as no one pulls Van Zan off and there is no gun to save Johnny boy.

I know you like McClane more but be a little objective, please. There are children watching. Set an example.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The female very specifically says he would have killed you. They saved Quinn's life so despite a cheapshot Van Zan clearly dominated him.

McClane usually looks for a gun when he's getting worked but that cannot happen here. McClane looks for his crutch and dies as no one pulls Van Zan off and there is no gun to save Johnny boy.

I know you like McClane more but be a little objective, please. There are children watching. Set an example.

Maybe in another 20,000 hits, cos the multiples he laid on Quinn's face where cotton-balls.

He's broken a neck before, I told you this. Also, there's a street he could use to bash Van Zan's head against, as pointed out, McClane uses his environment with extreme efficiency.

Just accept you foolishly backed the feat-less horse yet again. All in all, it's your own fault.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe in another 20,000 hits, cos the multiples he laid on Quinn's face where cotton-balls.

He's broken a neck before, I told you this. Also, there's a street he could use to bash Van Zan's head against, as pointed out, McClane uses his environment with extreme efficiency.

Just accept you foolishly backed the feat-less horse yet again. All in all, it's your own fault. His opponent was at his mercy. Van Zan clearly won unlike McClane in most of his fights in hand to hand.

So what if he's broken a neck Van Zan is going to plant a mean headbutt to his dome and McClane isn't breaking Van Zan's neck anyways.

McClane has been and will forever be a punching bag but unlike a die hard flick where he lives he will die in a versus forum. Van Zan brings a taste of the harsh reality to him from his world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His opponent was at his mercy. Van Zan clearly won unlike McClane in most of his fights in hand to hand.

So what if he's broken a neck Van Zan is going to plant a mean headbutt to his dome and McClane isn't breaking Van Zan's neck anyways.

McClane has been and will forever be a punching bag but unlike a die hard flick where he lives he will die in a versus forum. Van Zan brings a taste of the harsh reality to him from his world.

At his mercy from getting hit another ten times and suffering a second small cut on his lip and/or small bruise. Oh mercy.

Van Zane headbutts pack the force of his punches, which is not much.

McClane is an unbreakable punching bag that punches back and ends up killing you.

FFS, this midget with a Jew-Fro was more impressive at facing a dragon than Van Zan.
http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/07/cine-dragonslayer-sm-1.jpg

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

McClane debates are always pointless Quanchi.

Originally posted by Robtard
At his mercy from getting hit another ten times and suffering a second small cut on his lip and/or small bruise. Oh mercy.

Van Zane headbutts pack the force of his punches, which is not much.

McClane is an unbreakable punching bag that punches back and ends up killing you.

FFS, this midget with a Jew-Fro was more impressive at facing a dragon than Van Zan.
http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/07/cine-dragonslayer-sm-1.jpg

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane. Unlike McClanen he beat his opponent soundly just with his fists and didn't suffer any damage unlike McClane who gets pounded every flick by random crooks.

McClane benefits from having guns near him just out of reach to make it more suspenseful when he unloads into his opponents. That won't be occurring here. Van Zan effectively hunts and kills dragons going up against some cop will be like a spinning class to him.

I bet even Bruce Willis would agree Van Zan wins here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Unlike McClanen he beat his opponent soundly just with his fists and didn't suffer any damage unlike McClane who gets pounded every flick by random crooks.

McClane benefits from having guns near him just out of reach to make it more suspenseful when he unloads into his opponents. That won't be occurring here. Van Zan effectively hunts and kills dragons going up against some cop will be like a spinning class to him.

I bet even Bruce Willis would agree Van Zan wins here.

And unlike McClane he beat some average guy, compared to the highly-trained mercenaries and soldiers McClane faces. But again, this "beat" Quinn took netted him a bruise and cut lip, so you're exaggerating/masturbating Zan Van.

Van Zan hunts dragons with a team, weapons and a gunship at his back. As pointed out, Jew-Fro Dragon Slayer was more impressive.

Bruce Willis would kick Matthew McKindagay's ass up and down the block.

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Originally posted by Robtard
And unlike McClane he beat some average guy, compared to the highly-trained mercenaries and soldiers McClane faces. But again, this "beat" Quinn took netted him a bruise and cut lip, so you're exaggerating/masturbating Zan Van.

Van Zan hunts dragons with a team, weapons and a gunship at his back. As pointed out, Jew-Fro Dragon Slayer was more impressive.

Bruce Willis would kick Matthew McKindagay's ass up and down the block.

Come back when you have a proper argument/opponent for McClane. Quinn wasn't an average guy. He was the leader of a group of human beings still alive in this post apocalyptic dragon hell.

Yes, Van Zan does hunt them with a team and has killed them with teams. Dragons are a lot harder to kill then random terrorist threat McClane is getting his face pounded in by.

My argument is supported by both movies. Van Zan kicks his ass and when McClane can't find a crutch(his gun) he dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quinn wasn't an average guy. He was the leader of a group of human beings still alive in this post apocalyptic dragon hell.

Yes, Van Zan does hunt them with a team and has killed them with teams. Dragons are a lot harder to kill then random terrorist threat McClane is getting his face pounded in by.

My argument is supported by both movies. Van Zan kicks his ass and when McClane can't find a crutch(his gun) he dies.

From a fighting H2H standpoint, Quinn was average. He threw a few punches is all.

Except McClane is not a dragon and Van Zan doesn't have his team, weapons and gunship at his back. McClane has experience taking down guys better than Van Zan.

You have no argument and nothing except Van Zan barely being able to beat down an average guy as support. As I said, come back when you have a proper argument and opponent for McClane. Van Zan isn't it.

Originally posted by Robtard
From a fighting H2H standpoint, Quinn was average. He threw a few punches is all.

Except McClane is not a dragon and Van Zan doesn't have his team, weapons and gunship at his back. McClane has experience taking down guys better than Van Zan.

You have no argument and nothing except Van Zan barely being able to beat down an average guy as support. As I said, come back when you have a proper argument and opponent for McClane. Van Zan isn't it. The fight started off with a suckerpunch to Zan. After he took his vest off he wrecked quinn to the point of ridiculousness.

Yes, Van Zan only needs a team against a dragon as we clearly see even with a sucker shot by the leader of this english colony he mops the floor with him.



The evidence and both characters histories support my conclusion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The fight started off with a suckerpunch to Zan. After he took his vest off he wrecked quinn to the point of ridiculousness.

Yes, Van Zan only needs a team against a dragon as we clearly see even with a sucker shot by the leader of this english colony he mops the floor with him.

The evidence and both characters histories support my conclusion.

You can continue to cry about Van Zan "wrecking to ridiculousness" all you want, but Quinn was fine after the fight and only suffered a minor bruise and small cut on his lip. The scene proves you wrong.

No, you need a better opponent for McClane if you wish to take him out. Best get to thinking; I'll be here McWaiting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
MCClane benefited from being the hero who got his butt kicked all the time. Van Zan went up against dragons and successfully hunted them not some small time crooks. Van Zan wins.

There were no smalltime crooks in Die Hard.

Way misrepresented.
Might as well say that the Reign of Fire dudes were fighting your average Gecko.

Not only does McClane win, but he also laughs at how less well Riggs and his Partner Murtaugh would have fared also.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Van Zan jumped off a ****ing rooftop to try to kill a dragon with an axe.

McClane wishes he were half as manly.

Nahhhhh McClane launched himself off of way higher and more dangerous structures, and emerged victorious.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can continue to cry about Van Zan "wrecking to ridiculousness" all you want, but Quinn was fine after the fight and only suffered a minor bruise and small cut on his lip. The scene proves you wrong.

No, you need a better opponent for McClane if you wish to take him out. Best get to thinking; I'll be here McWaiting. Yes, he was fine after Van Zan was pulled off of him. Zan dominated him like many baddies have been known physically to dominate McClane. The scene along with McClane's history proves McClane gets dominated.

McClane would follow Zan. He'd probably son him and then McClane would fall into line.



Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
There were no smalltime crooks in Die Hard.

Way misrepresented.
Might as well say that the Reign of Fire dudes were fighting your average Gecko.

Not only does McClane win, but he also laughs at how less well Riggs and his Partner Murtaugh would have fared also.



Nahhhhh McClane launched himself off of way higher and more dangerous structures, and emerged victorious. Smalltime compared to what Zan was up against. He was up against the dragons which dominated the world for the second time. Robbing banks and what not is small time compared to world domination.

Nah, McClane loses but he's no stranger to losing fistfights and relying on a weapon to even the odds.

Sorry man, I'd be more convinced if you said that Richard Simmons beats McClane.

Since seeing the beginning of '2001', the idea that man evolved to a higher state when using tools has been long accepted.
It is not a negative to mention that McClane uses the old tool to whip his enemies.

(That chimp in 2001 grabbed that bone, ran over to the watering hole and claimed it like a f***ing boss.)


He beat Karl. (Even after Karl had shot him, whilst Mcclane was unarmed....fact that kinda evens out your argument regarding tool usage.)
Can't seen Van Zan pulling that off.

Also, like Robtard says: Even if McClane smashes Van Dan's head all up and down the streets of London - a very likely outcome given Van Dan's appallingly ineffective H2H effectiveness- you'd still have to charge it a McWin....not try to gimp the victory.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sorry man, I'd be more convinced if you said that Richard Simmons beats McClane.

Since seeing the beginning of '2001', the idea that man evolved to a higher state when using tools has been long accepted.
It is not a negative to mention that McClane uses the old tool to whip his enemies.

(That chimp in 2001 grabbed that bone, ran over to the watering hole and claimed it like a f***ing boss.)


He beat Karl. (Even after Karl had shot him, whilst Mcclane was unarmed....fact that kinda evens out your argument regarding tool usage.)
Can't seen Van Zan pulling that off.

Also, like Robtard says: Even if McClane smashes Van Dan's head all up and down the streets of London - a very likely outcome given Van Dan's appallingly ineffective H2H effectiveness- you'd still have to charge it a McWin....not try to gimp the victory. McClane is no slouch when it comes to hand to hand fighting but Van Zan effectively dominated the leader of the post apocalyptic survivors himself after the fight started off on a cheapshot.

The environment he lived in was 100 times more deadly than the world McClane lived in. This alone leads me to believe an environment like this creates more elite warriors than one supercop.

Van Zan wasn't ineffective he won. The woman admitted he'd have killed Quinn had they not pulled him off of him. Curbing someone is a great showing whereas most of McClane's fights are back and forth wit him usually receiving a heft asskicking every time he fights someone above henchman status.

You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was fine after Van Zan was pulled off of him. Zan dominated him like many baddies have been known physically to dominate McClane. The scene along with McClane's history proves McClane gets dominated.

McClane would follow Zan. He'd probably son him and then McClane would fall into line.


Quinn was fine because Van Zan hits like he has cotton-balls instead of fist apparently.

McClane being hit/beat during a fight isn't being "dominated" considering he's left standing at the end and his opponents are left only to be seen in re-runs.

Again, you have no valid argument and repeating failed ones over ad over won't make them true, the movies > your wishes. Go back to the drawing board and find a proper opponent for McClane. "I dare you, I double-dog dare you, mother****er."

Originally posted by Impediment
You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm That's the spirit. Originally posted by Robtard
Quinn was fine because Van Zan hits like he has cotton-balls instead of fist apparently.

McClane being hit/beat during a fight isn't being "dominated" considering he's left standing at the end and his opponents are left only to be seen in re-runs.

Again, you have no valid argument and repeating failed ones over ad over won't make them true, the movies > your wishes. Go back to the drawing board and find a proper opponent for McClane. "I dare you, I double-dog dare you, mother****er." Quinn was fine because they pulled him off. That's why.

Yes, due to weapons aiding him in numerous fights.

Show me anyone beating up Zan to prove your point. I can show you characters kicking McClane's ass all day long.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's the spirit. Quinn was fine because they pulled him off. That's why.

Yes, due to weapons aiding him in numerous fights.

Show me anyone beating up Zan to prove your point. I can show you characters kicking McClane's ass all day long.

Quinn was fine because Van Zan punches like a little girl. He hit Quinn with 5-6 punches, a head-butt and then held Quinn's head down and laid into him 2-3 more times unrestricted. Damage to Quinn: Mild bruising and a cut lip. This is a fact, no more arguing it with you.

Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I don't need to, Van Zan having one fight against an average fighter and showing he punches like Shirley Temple Vs four movies worth of McClane kicking ass prove you wrong. This is yet another fact; no more arguing it with you.

Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane is no slouch when it comes to hand to hand fighting but Van Zan effectively dominated the leader of the post apocalyptic survivors himself after the fight started off on a cheapshot.

The environment he lived in was 100 times more deadly than the world McClane lived in. This alone leads me to believe an environment like this creates more elite warriors than one supercop.

Van Zan wasn't ineffective he won. The woman admitted he'd have killed Quinn had they not pulled him off of him. Curbing someone is a great showing whereas most of McClane's fights are back and forth wit him usually receiving a heft asskicking every time he fights someone above henchman status.

They lived in a world with no libraries left, no net, no nothing.
I reckon that the massive lack of Dojos evident in the movie, paired with the above mentioned lack of alternate methods of training, would rate the DH villains as better trained...even the more mundane henchmen. Hamster boy would have stomped the average ROF combatant.

I don't know how you'd arrive at that conclusion having watched all four Die Hard movies.

Harlem whilst wearing a sign that says "I hates n***ers" was pretty dangerous even just by itself.

Originally posted by Impediment
You're all a bunch of queers.

Riggs obviously wins.

awermm

Ha.
Riggs beating McClane...

Only a Liberace would say that....



McVictory...

Originally posted by Robtard
Quinn was fine because Van Zan punches like a little girl. He hit Quinn with 5-6 punches, a head-butt and then held Quinn's head down and laid into him 2-3 more times unrestricted. Damage to Quinn: Mild bruising and a cut lip. This is a fact, no more arguing it with you.

Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I don't need to, Van Zan having one fight against an average fighter and showing he punches like Shirley Temple Vs four movies worth of McClane kicking ass prove you wrong. This is yet another fact; no more arguing it with you.

Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane. Whether his neck was broken or not the movie made it clear had they continued Quinn would have died. That's a stomp in Zan's favor. You trying to minimize a stomp mainly due to the fact McClane rarely ever stomps an above henchmen type opponent with his fists is so transparent.

So what if he's broken a neck you have to take all his beatdowns along with the one time he broke someone's neck. When you factor them all in Zan looks far superior.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They lived in a world with no libraries left, no net, no nothing.
I reckon that the massive lack of Dojos evident in the movie, paired with the above mentioned lack of alternate methods of training, would rate the DH villains as better trained...even the more mundane henchmen. Hamster boy would have stomped the average ROF combatant.

I don't know how you'd arrive at that conclusion having watched all four Die Hard movies.

Harlem whilst wearing a sign that says "I hates n***ers" was pretty dangerous even just by itself. Did you see the tech that was available still to Zan ? Did you see how tactically brilliant he was in taking down a dragon whose powerful/smart/great vision/flight and determined it's weakness is when the sun goes down. That's a secret we don't think anyone else had determined at that point and when he told Quinn and his men he destroyed dragons they thought it was impossible. Zan makes the impossible possible. He turned that negative nellie Quinn into a believer by movies end.

Yes, that was dangerous but paled in comparison to take on a dragon.

Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.


The horror! herbha-son2


The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whether his neck was broken or not the movie made it clear had they continued Quinn would have died. That's a stomp in Zan's favor. You trying to minimize a stomp mainly due to the fact McClane rarely ever stomps an above henchmen type opponent with his fists is so transparent.

So what if he's broken a neck you have to take all his beatdowns along with the one time he broke someone's neck. When you factor them all in Zan looks far superior.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now take my challenge and find a proper argument/opponent for McClane.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.


The horror! herbha-son2


The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm. "I'll lead you'll follow."

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep ignoring McClane's broken a neck and has taken more damage than ten Van Zan could ever hope to dish out. This is another fact; no more arguing it with you.

I hope you're not talking about when McClane fell down some stairs and accidentally broke someones neck.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh crap, I'm forced to agree with Quan.


The horror! herbha-son2


The McClane wank in this forum is retarded. At least no-ones mentioned McClanes SUPER LUCK POWERS!!!!!111 Facepalm.

So you're only agreeing because of previous bias and not because Van Zan actually did anything except punch an average guy. Odd, but okay.

Everything mentioned about McClane can be backed up with movie feats. /fact

Yes, clearly I am the biased one.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I hope you're not talking about when McClane fell down some stairs and accidentally broke someones neck.

Accidentally? LoL. Don't let your McBias supersede your logic, you're above that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, clearly I am the biased one.

Considering you're the one basing your option of this fight based solely on previous "McClane wank", it seems so.

Now if my argument was something like"McClane beats Van Zan with his penis", then you'd have a point.

McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight.

I love how Quinn just suddenly becomes an average guy. I guess the star of the movie who has managed successfully to keep his colony intact despite saving their asses from going to their crops before he says so behind is back all leads us to believe, average guy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight. The only reason he survives is due to being the star not because he's some elite hand to hand fighter who manages to find a way either through help or a weapon nearby.

Originally posted by Nephthys
McClanes never been a good H2H fighter. He gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight.

Getting hit and losing the fight are two different animals. His tactic is to outlast, which he does.

A guy who beat up on an average guy and couldn't do much damage to him isn't outlasting McClane, who has taken extreme punishment throughout four films.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I love how Quinn just suddenly becomes an average guy. I guess the star of the movie who has managed successfully to keep his colony intact despite saving their asses from going to their crops before he says so behind is back all leads us to believe, average guy.

When it comes to fighting, he was. He threw one sucker-punch and did a tiny bit of wrestling and scraping.

It wasn't his H2H fighting skills(thing that matters here) that made him a smart leader and kept his people safe.

Originally posted by Robtard
Getting hit and losing the fight are two different animals. His tactic is to outlast, which he does.

A guy who beat up on an average guy and couldn't do much damage to him isn't outlasting McClane, who has taken extreme punishment throughout four films.

He's taken extreme punishment thoughout four films because he gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight. Quans right, he only wins through PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The only reason he survives is due to being the star not because he's some elite hand to hand fighter who manages to find a way either through help or a weapon nearby.

LoL. The "he's the hero" tactic is pure fail and irrelevant in the MVF. But I guess you had to try.

As I said over and over, Van Zan isn't it, go find a proper match for McClane; I'm confidant you can. You're beating a dead horse here.

Originally posted by Robtard
When it comes to fighting, he was. He threw one sucker-punch and did a tiny bit of wrestling and scraping.

It wasn't his H2H fighting skills(thing that matters here) that made him a smart leader and kept his people safe. Due to Can Zan being a beast. The guy was a dragon killer and a military guy. Even though Quinn kept his body in great shape he was no match for Zan. The guy lived for combat.

He wasn't average that's for sure. Maybe he wasn't elite but neither is McClane. McClane is just a punching bag in the end.

It's like saying the hero of the comic beats the villain because he does in every comic. The hero is supposed to live in a forum McClane doesn't win because he's the star he can and will lose.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's taken extreme punishment thoughout four films because he gets the shit kicked out of him in every fight. Quans right, he only wins through PIS.

Fail argument and getting hit is not "getting the shit kicked out of him in every fight". Ali got hit plenty of times, yet still won fights.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. The "he's the hero" tactic is pure fail and irrelevant in the MVF. But I guess you had to try.

As I said over and over, Van Zan isn't it, go find a proper match for McClane; I'm confidant you can. You're beating a dead horse here. You keep saying I am beating a dead horse but a confirmed quan hater just told you I am right and you are wrong. You lost this argument a long time ago.

You tried turning a onesided stomp of Zan's into a low performance when McClane gets sonned in every picture he's in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fail argument and getting hit is not "getting the shit kicked out of him in every fight". Ali got hit plenty of times, yet still won fights. Ali didn't win his fights by reaching for a handgun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Can Zan being a beast. The guy was a dragon killer and a military guy. Even though Quinn kept his body in great shape he was no match for Zan. The guy lived for combat.

He wasn't average that's for sure. Maybe he wasn't elite but neither is McClane. McClane is just a punching bag in the end.

It's like saying the hero of the comic beats the villain because he does in every comic. The hero is supposed to live in a forum McClane doesn't win because he's the star he can and will lose.

You can find a proper match for McClane, I know you can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can find a proper match for McClane, I know you can do it. Just concede this argument and I will find another thread where McClane loses and we can continue this there. I get it you really are a huge fan of the die hard series.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ali didn't win his fights by reaching for a handgun.

Ali also didn't fight highly trained mercenaries with guns, knives and explosives. He fought in a ring with a ref and rules. McClane has to deal with the law of Tooth and Claw; he done it well in four films.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ali also didn't fight highly trained mercenaries with guns, knives and explosives. He fought in a ring with a ref and rules. McClane has to deal with the law of Tooth and Claw; he done it well in four films. The point is if McClane wins a hand to hand battle by shooting him it invalidates the fight as a crutch he needed to get him the w.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is if McClane wins a hand to hand battle by shooting him it invalidates the fight as a crutch he needed to get him the w.

The point is McClane's not losing to some punk with fist of cotton, no one mentioned a gun.

Now go find a proper opponent for McClane and stop masturbating Van Zan, he's not much of anything. There's an ocean of bad-asses who are above McClane; you can think of one.

Originally posted by Robtard
The point is McClane's not losing to some punk with fist of cotton, no one mentioned a gun.

Now go find a proper opponent for McClane and stop masturbating Van Zan, he's not much of anything. There's an ocean of bad-asses who are above McClane; you can think of one. Van Zan is a dragon hunter. The guy was pure testosterone while McClane knew most of the time he's going to get his ass kicked but what the hell kinda attitude throughout all his films. I think Van Zan would beat him as badly as he did Quinn.

I can't think of anyone whose somewhat skilled in hand to hand McClane even beats tbh. He's skilled with a gun and ok at fistfighting but that's about it.


Question; do you think McClane can beat Riggs ?

So you can't come up with a proper opponent to take down McClane. Gotcha. No worries; concession accepted.

Answer: There's a thread already; you know the answer. Stop being so trollvious.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you can't come up with a proper opponent to take down McClane. Gotcha. No worries; concession accepted.

Answer: There's a thread already; you know the answer. Stop being so trollvious. You ask for an opponent and someone else provided the link and you cry in that thread as well.

When you continue to claim bump another thread you concede the current one.

Zan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ask for an opponent and someone else provided the link and you cry in that thread as well.

When you continue to claim bump another thread you concede the current one.

Zan wins.

I challenged you to make a thread and give McClane a proper opponent and for you to argue a win with sustainable screen-feats; I assumed I didn't have to point out that it didn't entail a stomp in McClane's favor thread nor a Spite-Thread.

Bumping an obvious Spite-Thread is just that, more spite.

I've since given up as it's clear you're not up to the challenge and as I said, no worries. Enjoy.

Originally posted by Robtard
I challenged you to make a thread and give McClane a proper opponent and for you to argue a win with sustainable screen-feats; I assumed I didn't have to point out that it didn't entail a stomp in McClane's favor thread nor a Spite-Thread.

Bumping an obvious Spite-Thread is just that, more spite.

I've since given up as it's clear you're not up to the challenge and as I said, no worries. Enjoy. I didn't bump any other McClane thread as I am perfectly content with seeing him lose here. Why on earth you want to see him lose another thread is beyond me.

McClane like many others have pointed out to you loses here as he's inferior in hand to hand fighting compared to someone of Zane's caliber.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't bump any other McClane thread as I am perfectly content with seeing him lose here. Why on earth you want to see him lose another thread is beyond me.

McClane like many others have pointed out to you loses here as he's inferior in hand to hand fighting compared to someone of Zane's caliber.

No, you didn't do the actual bumping of the spite-thread, but that didn't stop you from wanking in it, did it.

Are you a loon or something? Where do you get "many others" from? There were five people who have their opinion on who wins in here and it was 3 for McClane and 2 for Van Zan. 2 doesn't equal "many".

Originally posted by Robtard
No, you didn't do the actual bumping of the spite-thread, but that didn't stop you from wanking in it, did it.

Are you a loon or something? Where do you get "many others" from? There were five people who have their opinion on who wins in here and it was 3 for McClane and 2 for Van Zan. 2 doesn't equal "many". I responded in a bumped thread. You wanted me to so I gave you what you asked for and you still complained. Be careful what you ask for friend you just might get it.

Sado is a McClaniac like yourself. He can't be trusted which breaks the tie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded in a bumped thread. You wanted me to so I gave you what you asked for and you still complained. Be careful what you ask for friend you just might get it.

Sado is a McClaniac like yourself. He can't be trusted which breaks the tie.

In an obvious spite-thread, which is the point and as pointed out, I didn't challenge you to a spite-thread. I said "proper", which you can't do.

Neph just said McCLane loses here cos of his perceived McClane masturbation from long ago in the MVF. His opinion was tainted, so he doesn't count either. Sorry, you lost again, bro.

Originally posted by Robtard
In an obvious spite-thread, which is the point and as pointed out, I didn't challenge you to a spite-thread. I said "proper", which you can't do.

Neph just said McCLane loses here cos of his perceived McClane masturbation from long ago in the MVF. His opinion was tainted, so he doesn't count either. Sorry, you lost again, bro. I said I didn't bump any thread mainly because I don't see the need as I am content in not start a war against a fictional character because you want a war.

I won't sit idly by while you attack my new apprentice, The Balrog Banger.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said I didn't bump any thread mainly because I don't see the need as I am content in not start a war against a fictional character because you want a war.

I won't sit idly by while you attack my new apprentice, The Balrog Banger.

LoL, a trollversal approach,funny, but way too obvious, you need proper training.

Neph is usually sensible and logical in here, so you don't have an apprentice, sorry. I do find it kinda odd that he'd take a Balrog cock up the ass though, but to each his own.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, a trollversal approach,funny, but way too obvious, you need proper training.

Neph is usually sensible and logical in here, so you don't have an apprentice, sorry. I do find it kinda odd that he'd take a Balrog cock up the ass though, but to each his own. It sounds trolle to demand I go bump other McClane threads tbh.

Neph agrees with me so you agree you respect his opinion therefore Van Zan wins.

Hey respect neph for who he is and if he is intrigued by mythical balrogs it's his business.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sado is a McClaniac like yourself. He can't be trusted which breaks the tie.

Nah. No defamation required.

Im more than capable of admitting that McClane loses when he actually does, which obviously isnt the case here.

Yer big Van Zanboy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nah. No defamation required.

Im more than capable of admitting that McClane loses when he actually does, which obviously isnt the case here.

Yer big Van Zanboy. Then admit it here and all will be forgiven.

You'd forgive me for lying?

That wouldn't do...

McSheen would totally beat Van Zan Mueller.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You'd forgive me for lying?

That wouldn't do...

McSheen would totally beat Van Zan Mueller. McClane would realize and early on hey this isn't a die hard movie there isn't a gun to bail me out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane would realize and early on hey this isn't a die hard movie there isn't a gun to bail me out.

We've seen several times what happens when McClane loses his gun or runs out of bullets; his opponents are left in ruin nonetheless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane would realize and early on hey this isn't a die hard movie there isn't a gun to bail me out.

Character capabilities would withstand. On screen feats.
He'll not need a gun against that 'girly slap' thrower Van Zan.

Originally posted by Robtard
We've seen several times what happens when McClane loses his gun or runs out of bullets; his opponents are left in ruin nonetheless. Yes, due to the fact he's the hero and will win not because he's an uber badass. You know this to be true, roberto.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Character capabilities would withstand. On screen feats.
He'll not need a gun against that 'girly slap' thrower Van Zan. Don't speak about Zan in such disrespectful fashion. His headbutts were the stuff of legend.

He couldn't headbutt and damage someone of this McCalibre though.
On screen feats apply.

In fact he couldn't headbutt his way out of a wet ricepaper bag.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He couldn't headbutt and damage someone of this McCalibre though.
On screen feats apply.

In fact he couldn't headbutt his way out of a wet ricepaper bag. One headbutt and McClane would probably submit. The guy wasn't living in a postapocalyptic environment like Zan was. I will allow you and rob in this thread to pull Van Zan off of him before he kills him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to the fact he's the hero and will win not because he's an uber badass. You know this to be true, roberto.


Considering he has super-human feats, he is an uber bad-ass. You know this to be true, Quancho.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One headbutt and McClane would probably submit. The guy wasn't living in a postapocalyptic environment like Zan was. I will allow you and rob in this thread to pull Van Zan off of him before he kills him.

Actually he is no stranger to headbuttage himself.

Both doling it out, and taking 'em too.

Hes hardly likely to start crying because of this powder puff.


Unfamiliar with post apocalyptic environments? Even without the surviving in lots of different types of environments that we've seen in the movies as evidence;- he grew up in New Jersey.

And if an environment wasn't post-apocalyptic before McClane's patronizing the area, it its sure as shit to be after he leaves...

Another thing that factors in fights and hasn't been brought up, intelligence and fast-thinking.

-McClane runs out of bullets, he quickly resorts to launching a Ford at a helicopter. Genius.

-Van Zan runs out of ammo, he commits suicide by jumping directly into a dragon's mouth. Idiocy.

Had Van Zan been replaced with McClane in that scenario, McClane would have launched a tank into the dragon's mouth previously rigged with C4 and detonated it, thereby saving the day once again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering he has super-human feats, he is an uber bad-ass. You know this to be true, Quancho. Getting you ass kicked repeatedly isn't something to brag about. Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Actually he is no stranger to headbuttage himself.

Both doling it out, and taking 'em too.

Hes hardly likely to start crying because of this powder puff.


Unfamiliar with post apocalyptic environments? Even without the surviving in lots of different types of environments that we've seen in the movies as evidence;- he grew up in New Jersey.

And if an environment wasn't post-apocalyptic before McClane's patronizing the area, it its sure as shit to be after he leaves... Zan was a dragon killer. McClane fights human beings. The only time we see a mere human dare to sucker punch Zan he was promptly dealt with.

Reign of Fire threats>>>>>all McClane threats combined.

Advantage--Zan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Getting you ass kicked repeatedly isn't something to brag about.

Zan was a dragon killer. McClane fights human beings. The only time we see a mere human dare to sucker punch Zan he was promptly dealt with.

Reign of Fire threats>>>>>all McClane threats combined.

Advantage--Zan.

Getting hit is not losing a fight if you're alive and your opponent is dead at the end.

Van Zan didn't beat a dragon to death, now did he. He used a team and a helicopter.

Considering McClane isn't a dragon and Van Zan lacks both his team and a helicopter, clear advantage goes to McClane here, who has four movies worth of killing humans under his belt, compared to Denton 'Cotton-Fist' Van Zan's zero.

Originally posted by Robtard
Getting hit is not losing a fight if you're alive and your opponent is dead at the end.

Van Zan didn't beat a dragon to death, now did he. He used a team and a helicopter.

Considering McClane isn't a dragon and Van Zan lacks both his team and a helicopter, clear advantage goes to McClane here, who has four movies worth of killing humans under his belt, compared to Denton 'Cotton-Fist' Van Zan's zero. No, he didn't beat a dragon to death he did however know how to kill them. McClane fights opponents he can kill with a few bullets while Zan takes on threats who laugh off mere gunfire.

Zan doesn't need a team to take down McClane whose a human not a dragon. He sonns him like he did Quinn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't beat a dragon to death he did however know how to kill them. McClane fights opponents he can kill with a few bullets while Zan takes on threats who laugh off mere gunfire.

Zan doesn't need a team to take down McClane whose a human not a dragon. He sonns him like he did Quinn.

So my point stands, Van Zan's ability to kill a dragon with the help of a team and helicopter give him zero advantages in this fight. Glad you agree.

No one's arguing that Van Zan couldn't hit McClane, it will happen in this fight. He's just not taking McClane out with those cotton-fist and his greatest fight feat of giving an average guy a bruise and cut lip.

Stop betting on a lame horse and find a thoroughbred for McClane to fight already.

Originally posted by Robtard
So my point stands, Van Zan's ability to kill a dragon with the help of a team and helicopter give him zero advantages in this fight. Glad you agree.

No one's arguing that Van Zan couldn't hit McClane, it will happen in this fight. He's just not taking McClane out with those cotton-fist and his greatest fight feat of giving an average guy a bruise and cut lip.

Stop betting on a lame horse and find a thoroughbred for McClane to fight already. No, your point doesn't as Zan was far greater than a mere human and especially a punching bag like McClane.

You're upset McClane loses to a guy who wasn't even the star in a movie. I'd be mad too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, your point doesn't as Zan was far greater than a mere human and especially a punching bag like McClane.

You're upset McClane loses to a guy who wasn't even the star in a movie. I'd be mad too.

His feats include beating up on average guy and barely being able to damage him, taking out a dragon with the help of several other people and a helicopter, jumping into the mouth of a dragon. Clearly signs of greatness.

I'd be upset if I backed a lame horse like Van Zan here, but I didn't, that monkey is solely on your back.

Challenge for you to find McClane a proper match still stands. Giddy up and do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
His feats include beating up on average guy and barely being able to damage him, taking out a dragon with the help of several other people and a helicopter, jumping into the mouth of a dragon. Clearly signs of greatness.

I'd be upset if I backed a lame horse like Van Zan here, but I didn't, that monkey is solely on your back.

Challenge for you to find McClane a proper match still stands. Giddy up and do it. What makes Quinn average ? I'd say based on his survival, leadership skills, and physique he's above average.

Since I have won this thread up and down I will give you what you want. McClane will have friends but will face truly a menacing foe.

You've won nothing here.

Except maybe the right to call yourself 'sacred and esteemed curator of Van Zan's Man Gland'...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You've won nothing here.

Except maybe the right to call yourself 'sacred and esteemed curator of Van Zan's Man Gland'... On that earth from what we saw he was alpha male. He'd out alpha McClane as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes Quinn average ? I'd say based on his survival, leadership skills, and physique he's above average.

Since I have won this thread up and down I will give you what you want. McClane will have friends but will face truly a menacing foe.

He wasn't average in terms of being a leader; it terms of fighting he was definitely average, he threw an average punch and did some average street-wrestling. This is what Van Zan "dominated", an average fighter and Van Zan barely managed to harm him. Dude dusted himself off and walked away from the fight with minor wounds.

You've won nothing. Good; be sure to make it a proper thread, no stompage on either side nor spite. I will destroy your arguments then too.

Originally posted by Robtard
He wasn't average in terms of being a leader; it terms of fighting he was definitely average, he threw an average punch and did some average street-wrestling. This is what Van Zan "dominated", an average fighter and Van Zan barely managed to harm him. Dude dusted himself off and walked away from the fight with minor wounds.

You've won nothing. Good; be sure to make it a proper thread, no stompage on either side nor spite. I will destroy your arguments then too. Based on his physique why is he an average fighter ? Is it because you say so. Zan made him look less than average because he's a man's man. Zan would have killed him so the damage done is mute as the point was Zan was >>>him unlike that punching bag McClane.

Ah, so now when McClane loses it's spite but when he wins the guy he's fighting is a bum. It's not just me who sees you as this McClane fanatic. Look around you, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on his physique why is he an average fighter ? Is it because you say so. Zan made him look less than average because he's a man's man. Zan would have killed him so the damage done is mute as the point was Zan was >>>him unlike that punching bag McClane.

Ah, so now when McClane loses it's spite but when he wins the guy he's fighting is a bum. It's not just me who sees you as this McClane fanatic. Look around you, sport.

Being physically fit doesn't mean you're a good fighter in of itself, so your premise is flawed and outright retarded. We saw Quinn fight, he did nothing special or above average. Deal.

LoL, nice tactic. I said make a proper thread with no stompage or spite on either side, ie make a fair thread. Seems you can't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Being physically fit doesn't mean you're a good fighter in of itself, so your premise is flawed and outright retarded. We saw Quinn fight, he did nothing special or above average. Deal.

LoL, nice tactic. I said make a proper thread with no stompage or spite on either side, ie make a fair thread. Seems you can't. Based on everything we know about the character nothing about him says average. Nothing about Zan says slightly above average either. If you want to close your eyes and pretend everyone is awek when stacked up against the luckiest hero in all of movies to convince yourself he wins that is your problem.


I did make a fair thread you aren't even aware of the character or the movie yet cry foul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on everything we know about the character nothing about him says average. Nothing about Zan says slightly above average either. If you want to close your eyes and pretend everyone is awek when stacked up against the luckiest hero in all of movies to convince yourself he wins that is your problem.


I did make a fair thread you aren't even aware of the character or the movie yet cry foul.

Based on his fighting we see in the film, Quinn was an average fighter with nothing special under his belt. Deal with it.

I've not seen Fallen, why I said I can't comment on McClane winning or losing. Everyone else in that thread who has seen Fallen says McClane and Riggs have no chance. So it seems you can't make a proper McClane Vs *Someone* thread. It's cool; McConcession accepted.

Originally posted by Robtard
Based on his fighting we see in the film, Quinn was an average fighter with nothing special under his belt. Deal with it.

I've not seen Fallen, why I said I can't comment on McClane winning or losing. Everyone else in that thread who has seen Fallen says McClane and Riggs have no chance. So it seems you can't make a proper McClane Vs *Someone* thread. It's cool; McConcession accepted. Because he took on an elite fighter. Based off of everything claiming he's average without proof is illogical.

Most on this forum think McClane is a board joke and comment on it. You've damaged the character before I ever even came here. Blame yourself for the McClane resentment. I'm just an honest guy trying to debate fictional movie characters here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he took on an elite fighter. Based off of everything claiming he's average without proof is illogical.

Most on this forum think McClane is a board joke and comment on it. You've damaged the character before I ever even came here. Blame yourself for the McClane resentment. I'm just an honest guy trying to debate fictional movie characters here.

Van Zan showed nothing "elite", so you premise is flawed once again.

Glad you admit your resentment towards McClane. Let it go, he's just a fictional character.

Originally posted by Robtard
Van Zan showed nothing "elite", so you premise is flawed once again.

Glad you admit your resentment towards McClane. Let it go, he's just a fictional character. Easily stomping someone who started a fight with a sucker shot is pretty elite. Getting your ass handed to you over multiple movies isn't elite it shows a degree of luck.

Your words sting me. I'm a huge die hard fan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Easily stomping someone who started a fight with a sucker shot is pretty elite. Getting your ass handed to you over multiple movies isn't elite it shows a degree of luck.

Your words sting me. I'm a huge die hard fan.

No, it's not in of itself considering the opponent and the inability to do much damage. Winning over multiple movies is more "elite" than bruising Joe Average.

The truth can be painful.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's not in of itself considering the opponent and the inability to do much damage. Winning over multiple movies is more "elite" than bruising Joe Average.

The truth can be painful. Crushing your opponent is more elite then being dominated and pulling out a lucky win.

I guess if you win no matter how lucky it's more impressive than completely dominating a guy. Weird.

If a guy dominates you then you end his life, that revenge/win tastic.

Nothing weird about that.

A Van Zan won't be doing much dominating here though, with little girly, cissy punches like that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If a guy dominates you then you end his life, that revenge/win tastic.

Nothing weird about that.

A Van Zan won't be doing much dominating here though, with little girly, cissy punches like that. They had to save Quinn's life. That's utter domination. How often has McClane dominated a guy who started the fight by sucker punching McClane ?

As you can see by the last answer, this question is a big old strawmanny Strawman.

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18 marines died just after that, by McClane's hand, IIRC...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As you can see by the last answer, this question is a big old strawmanny Strawman. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
18 marines died just after that, by McClane's hand, IIRC...

Not only that, but beforehand and what directly relates to this fight, McClane kicked the piss out of J.J.'s dad and then took everything Col. Stuart could dish, back to back.

Those guys weren't average and their punches/kicks could cause more than minor bruising and cut lips.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

How strange..
None was offered.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not only that, but beforehand and what directly relates to this fight, McClane kicked the piss out of J.J.'s dad and then took everything Col. Stuart could dish, back to back.

Those guys weren't average and their punches/kicks could cause more than minor bruising and cut lips.

Aye man...!
Trained pentagon badasses.

Both ended up as McFertilizer.

I would love to agree with you quanchi, but Rob and Sadko are in the right in this case. I know Van Zan hunts dragons and all that good stuff, but none of that really correlates with a H2H fight a a human. Van Zan's never taken on a Dragon with his bare hands. Hell, didn't he need a helicopter? And when he did go head on with the dragon at the end, it simply ate him. On the other hand, McClane is not only a better fighter style-wise, but a can a massive beating, and then some, and keep going. Simply, Van Zan, for all his machsimo, doesn't have the feats to back him up in this fight. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is

The truth /\

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
How strange..
None was offered.

Denton imo could let McClane have two free punches and still headbutt him into submission.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Denton imo could let McClane have two free punches and still headbutt him into submission.

Where does Denton show this durability? Especially against someone who tanks shit like McClane does?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Where does Denton show this durability? Especially against someone who tanks shit like McClane does? When he shrugs off a cheapshot with no damage practically at all by Quinn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he shrugs off a cheapshot with no damage practically at all by Quinn.

That's not the same. At all. I doubt Quinn is even in McClane's weight class

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's not the same. At all. I doubt Quinn is even in McClane's weight class You're right a cheapshot isn't the same as two free hits. He will brace himself whereas against Quinn he just got cheapshotted.

But he doesn't hasn't displayed the durability to hang with McClane. That is what I'm trying to say. McClane will not be beaten as easily as Quinn. He has tanked A LOT of shit

BTW, and please forgive me for asking, but are you RJ's reincarnation? Your Sig/Avatar, "Concession Accepted", and your general posting demeanor seems strikingly similar to his. I'm just sayin

Originally posted by Lestov16
But he doesn't hasn't displayed the durability to hang with McClane. That is what I'm trying to say. McClane will not be beaten as easily as Quinn. He has tanked A LOT of shit

BTW, and please forgive me for asking, but are you RJ's reincarnation? Your Sig/Avatar, "Concession Accepted", and your general posting demeanor seems strikingly similar to his. I'm just sayin Quinn was going to lose and hard and since we agree McClane has tanked a lot and that Zan is a monster who dominates it supports my viewpoint of how this fight plays out.

I have opposed him in various threads and am my own person. We seem to share a love for Voldemort is all.

....and the perpetual blindness to obvious McVictory.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quinn was going to lose and hard and since we agree McClane has tanked a lot and that Zan is a monster who dominates it supports my viewpoint of how this fight plays out.

I have opposed him in various threads and am my own person. We seem to share a love for Voldemort is all.

But McClane is going to fight back. And he isn't some punk ***** like Quinn. He actually can fight

Originally posted by Lestov16
But McClane is going to fight back. And he isn't some punk ***** like Quinn. He actually can fight Yes, he will fight back and will be dominated. It will just take longer than Quinn's beatdown.

'Dominate' him with those girly little slaps? lol I don't think so.

He'd definitely dominate McClane in a "getting eaten by a dragon" competition though....Van Zan wins against everyone there.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
'Dominate' him with those girly little slaps? lol I don't think so.

He'd definitely dominate McClane in a "getting eaten by a dragon" competition though....Van Zan wins against everyone there. Those weren't girly little slaps. He was beating him easily and McClane is no stranger to being dominated. It's almost like he's into bondage with the punishment he endures throughout the films.

Zan died manlier than McClane ever lived.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he will fight back and will be dominated. It will just take longer than Quinn's beatdown.

You think those hits are going to put McClane down?

Ldf3surF2FU

Originally posted by quanchi112
Those weren't girly little slaps. He was beating him easily and McClane is no stranger to being dominated. It's almost like he's into bondage with the punishment he endures throughout the films.

Zan died manlier than McClane ever lived.

Exactly. He has an extremely high pain tolerance based on the shit endured. Therefore, Zan's hits will not be putting him down like they put down Quinn, because he's used to much worse.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You think those hits are going to put McClane down?

Ldf3surF2FU Eventually, yes.Originally posted by Lestov16
Exactly. He has an extremely high pain tolerance based on the shit endured. Therefore, Zan's hits will not be putting him down like they put down Quinn, because he's used to much worse. A high pain tolerance means he will be dominated longer. Zant won't be pulled off him like he was with Quinn.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Zan died manlier than McClane ever lived.

FPWObVBUyiM

Afetr analyzing the evidence, I agree with this assessment

Originally posted by quanchi112
Eventually, yes. A high pain tolerance means he will be dominated longer. Zant won't be pulled off him like he was with Quinn.

Quinn got dominated because he was a *****-ass fighter. McClane isn't. Watch the scene with James Evans. He can fight

Originally posted by Lestov16
FPWObVBUyiM

Afetr analyzing the evidence, I agree with this assessment That Zan is superior. Bout time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan died manlier than McClane ever lived.

Committing suicide because you're apparently suffering from retard-rage isn't "manly".

Shooting yourself through your own body in order to kill the bad-guy behind you, that's manly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That Zan is superior. Bout time.

I never said he was a bad character. I said (and am still saying) that if he and McClane were to go one on one, based on what I've observed of their fighting styles and durability, I believe McClane would beat him

Originally posted by Robtard
Committing suicide because you're apparently suffering from retard-rage isn't "manly".

Shooting yourself through your own body in order to kill the bad-guy behind you, that's manly. Again Zan wasn't facing off against some normal human like McClane was so it wasn't an option. This male dragon was the reason mankind was left in shambles so dying against the greatest alpha male the world had ever seen besides himself is bragworthy.

To be fair Robtard, McClane wouldn't have fared any better

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Zan wasn't facing off against some normal human like McClane was so it wasn't an option. This male dragon was the reason mankind was left in shambles so dying against the greatest alpha male the world had ever seen besides himself is bragworthy.

So committing suicide is the answer? No.

Originally posted by Lestov16
To be fair Robtard, McClane wouldn't have fared any better

That premise is flawed, McClane has shown a high level of ingenuity throughout four films, so he'd likely not get himself caught in that same scenario.

But if McClane had been in that scene, he would have tried to live to fight another day; not commit retard-rage induced suicide. Though death would have been likely.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I never said he was a bad character. I said (and am still saying) that if he and McClane were to go one on one, based on what I've observed of their fighting styles and durability, I believe McClane would beat him The only manner I could see McClane winning is due to having a weapon in the right place at the right time in a die hard film where he is guaranteed to survive.

Without guns I see him being broken.

Originally posted by Robtard
So committing suicide is the answer? No. The dragon was defeated so his goal was reached. McClane wouldn't have fared any better.

For me this all comes down to who has the better fighting style. Originally I was backing McClane with both superior fighting style and durability, but I am beginning to reconsider. And indeed, if McClane does have the sub-par fighting style (and of course, his ingenuity/luck will not play a factor in this fight), then, as quanchi said, McClane will just take a beating until he's knocked into unconsciousness. I need to see some more of McClane's fights

Originally posted by quanchi112

The dragon was defeated so his goal was reached. McClane wouldn't have fared any better.

Someone else did it.

McClane's antics took down an F-35 Lightning II, so yeah, he likely would have.

Originally posted by Lestov16
For me this all comes down to who has the better fighting style. Originally I was backing McClane with both superior fighting style and durability, but I am beginning to reconsider. And indeed, if McClane does have the sub-par fighting style (and of course, his ingenuity/luck will not play a factor in this fight), then, as quanchi said, McClane will just take a beating until he's knocked into unconsciousness. I need to see some more of McClane's fights

Van Zan had better fighting style? He grabbed, head-butted and push,then threw some basic punches that packed little heat.

McClane isn't a fancy fighter either, he just gets the job done.

Durability? McClane hands down, four movies worth of it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Van Zan had better fighting style? He grabbed, head-butted and push,then threw some basic punches that packed little heat.

McClane isn't a fancy fighter either, he just gets the job done.


But Van Zan does too. That's why I asked for some clips of McClane in H2H. I need to compare.

Originally posted by Robtard
Someone else did it.

McClane's antics took down an F-35 Lightning II, so yeah, he likely would have. Yes, and if it wasn't for Zan Quinn would have never understood the dragon's weakness or been in the situation.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But Van Zan does too. That's why I asked for some clips of McClane in H2H. I need to compare.

There was some posted on page 6. iirc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and if it wasn't for Zan Quinn would have never understood the dragon's weakness or been in the situation.

Someone else did the job, so Van Zan is a better consultant than fighter, by movie-feats.

Originally posted by Robtard
Someone else did the job, so Van Zan is a better consultant than fighter, by movie-feats. Due to being in the right situation and Zan gave his life for the cause. No greater sacrifice can be made.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to being in the right situation and Zan gave his life for the cause. No greater sacrifice can be made.

That's what all terrorists say

Zan=Terrorist

McClane>Terrorists

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's what all terrorists say

Zan=Terrorist

McClane>Terrorists


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