Gorgon vs Morlun

Parmaniac

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Durability 02:
"Morlun--Devourer of Totems-- has come to feast in T'Challa, like a lion on a wounded Caribou. And thus far, he's proved unstoppable."

"We have thrown missiles at him. Mortars and bombs. Laser cannons, vibraniumcore nuclear-tipped shells. air and ground assaults."

"We haven't even slowed his approach."

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Healing Factor: Heals in 1 panel.

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Strength: Tears apart an adamantium net.

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Strength/Exotic: Literally walks through a door and rips apart 2 guards with a simple swipe of his backhand.

Parmaniac

Oh and before I forget

zopzop

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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Durability 02:
"Morlun--Devourer of Totems-- has come to feast in T'Challa, like a lion on a wounded Caribou. And thus far, he's proved unstoppable."

"We have thrown missiles at him. Mortars and bombs. Laser cannons, vibraniumcore nuclear-tipped shells. air and ground assaults."

"We haven't even slowed his approach."

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Support for the feat above.

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Healing Factor: Heals in 1 panel.

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Strength: Tears apart an adamantium net.

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Strength/Exotic: Literally walks through a door and rips apart 2 guards with a simple swipe of his backhand.

The adamantium net feat and vibranium nuke feat are stupid insane. jawdrop How the hell is this guy a "Spidey" villain? He could challenge Thor or WBH!

SamZED

Well, unlike all his other villains Morlun actually did kill Spider-man, so there's the that.

Mindset

Morlun was only a Spiderman villain because of circumstance.

Parmaniac

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I don't have the scans at hand and neither am I willing to upload entire comics but I found this vid, it actually shows their entire fight. You will recognize that Spider-Man simply isn't able to avoid him even out of attacks he gets tagged by Morlun and once he easily catches his webbing. He also just walks through a wall at one point and swats away a car that was thrown at him by Spider-Man like it's a fly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlun

"Morlun had some degree of superhuman strength and durability, the limits of which aren't fully known. Spider-Man states that Morlun hits harder than any foe he had ever battled, including the Hulk and Thor."

If I'm not mistaken that was originally stated in his official marvel bio but I can't find it, seems that Marvel has taken them down...

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Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
Morlun covered like 20 feet faster than Spider-man could cover 5.

When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn
Originally posted by Bentley
Thing-Reed has broken adamantium...
so has hulk, thor, IF ect.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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The guy was never really defeated in a straight battle.

spiderman gave him a hell of a fight

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
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Though that is impressive, it should be adressed that not primary adamatium, it secondary and by far the most common. Though that industructable by human standards, it not industractable by strong class 100's especially a net.

Originally posted by SamZED

And he's been hit with hundred vibranium missles. With literally no effect. Shouldnt that make him beast as well?
That is why I am not sure gorgon to win this, if we base it off Morlun from that arc.

Originally posted by zopzop
The adamantium net feat and vibranium nuke feat are stupid insane. jawdrop How the hell is this guy a "Spidey" villain? He could challenge Thor or WBH!

Thats because he was not nearly depicted as that powerful when he fought spiderman. He got significant boost he power (not to say he was weak at all before
Originally posted by SamZED
Morlun covered like 20 feet faster than Spider-man could cover 5.

When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn
Originally posted by Bentley
Thing-Reed has broken adamantium...
so has hulk, thor, IF ect.

Mindset

Morlun was always clearly beyond anything Spiderman could handle. We never got to see the extent of his powers when he fought Spiderman because he was toying with him.

When do you think it was that he got his boost?

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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I don't have the scans at hand and neither am I willing to upload entire comics but I found this vid, it actually shows their entire fight. You will recognize that Spider-Man simply isn't able to avoid him even out of attacks he gets tagged by Morlun and once he easily catches his webbing. He also just walks through a wall at one point and swats away a car that was thrown at him by Spider-Man like it's a fly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlun

"Morlun had some degree of superhuman strength and durability, the limits of which aren't fully known. Spider-Man states that Morlun hits harder than any foe he had ever battled, including the Hulk and Thor."

If I'm not mistaken that was originally stated in his official marvel bio but I can't find it, seems that Marvel has taken them down...

EDIT: Another one

Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such.

SamZED

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Thats because he was not nearly depicted as that powerful when he fought spiderman. He got significant boost he power (not to say he was weak at all before
Its not that he wasnt that powerful, he's just one of those villains whose full potential gets revealed in time and has a number of weird powers. Sometimes he's invisible, sometimes not etc He was toying wth Spider-man basically.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn
You're right, that's how most of the fight went but not because Morlun is slow. Its just he barely had to use his speed, only when attacking. The moment im referring to is when they both ended up in some apartment. Spider-man was near the wndow and Morlun in another side of the room. Peter leaped to get Morlun away from people as fast as possible but he couldt even reach the window, Morlun already grabbed him, he's crazy fast when he's not playing or doing the "slow cool-looking" walk.

Parmaniac

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such. Not sure I really only remember something about his strenth being close to Thor (stated) not saying he would beat Thor but the powergap between Spider-Man and Thor is very big and Morlun is somewhere between maybe he's somewhere in the middle or maybe he's equal to thor IDK just thought it was worth mentioning.

EDIT: And yes his powerlevel depends on how charged he is, kinda like Galactus.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Mindset
Morlun was always clearly beyond anything Spiderman could handle. We never got to see the extent of his powers when he fought Spiderman because he was toying with him.

When do you think it was that he got his boost?
Spidermn did better then your implying, but yes he was beyond spidermans abilities to beat without cricumstance favoring him. He was spidermans equivalent of Gorgon.

When the writer wish him too. Just like has happen with numerous villains when they branch off to other heros there powers levels will be alter/or increase or decrease. This is sometimes explained, but others times not so much. To great examples are Sabre-tooth and King Ping.

There is a very clear difference in his current depiction and when he was spiderman villain.

SamZED

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such. THat wasnt really confirmed anywhere. Pretty sure its one of KMC myths. Its just people knew he can absorb life force AND that his punches feel like Hulk's so they just assumed its the life force that made 'em s powerful. But I guess if he can rip adamantium, even a secondary one.. its not a stretch to assume he just hits that hard.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Not sure I really only remember something about his strenth being close to Thor (stated) not saying he would beat Thor but the powergap between Spider-Man and Thor is very big and Morlun is somewhere between maybe he's somewhere in the middle or maybe he's equal to thor IDK just thought it was worth mentioning.

Yes spiderman said this, and it was on pannel in fact. He said "he hits harder then anyone I ever met, stronger then thor even" paraphrasing. However it was later revealed to Spiderman that this was caused by his ability to drain life force making his apeare stronger then they were because they weaken spiderman drastically.

This however has clearly changed, because he seem much stronger in his latest incarnation.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
THat wasnt really confirmed anywhere. Pretty sure its one of KMC myths. Its just people knew he can absorb life force AND that his punches feel like Hulk's so they just assumed its the life force that made 'em s powerful. But I guess if he can rip adamantium, even a secondary one.. its not a stretch to assume he just hits that hard.
I can't remember to be honest. I remember it seeming to imply it was because of his energy absorption and then that being confirmed in the handbook.

But when he fought spiderman he clearly was not depicted to be that powerful. He clearly recieved and amp like other villains before him.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Parmaniac

EDIT: And yes his powerlevel depends on how charged he is, kinda like Galactus.
wasent this add in later during the black panther fight, I dont recall it being stated in spiderman issues.

zopzop

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
so has hulk, thor, IF ect.
.......................

Hulk, Thor and IF have broken adamantium? OMG, when?

Is this true? Can anyone confirm? If true............ sad

Mindset

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Spidermn did better then your implying, but yes he was beyond spidermans abilities to beat without cricumstance favoring him. He was spidermans equivalent of Gorgon.

When the writer wish him too. Just like has happen with numerous villains when they branch off to other heros there powers levels will be alter/or increase or decrease. This is sometimes explained, but others times not so much. To great examples are Sabre-tooth and King Ping.

There is a very clear difference in his current depiction and when he was spiderman villain. No, he really didn't.

Spiderman could not to anything to Morlun, he couldn't even run away.

Parmaniac

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
wasent this add in later during the black panther fight, I dont recall it being stated in spiderman issues. I have to re-read the issues.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
Its not that he wasnt that powerful, he's just one of those villains whose full potential gets revealed in time and has a number of weird powers. Sometimes he's invisible, sometimes not etc He was toying wth Spider-man basically.

I mean I understand from a story point, yes they can imply that now he was always that strong though, but when that issue was written he was not supose to be. Yes but no more then Gorgon, if he fought Spiderman now, Spiderman would stand no chance, he depicted much stronger and more durable now.

Originally posted by SamZED

You're right, that's how most of the fight went but not because Morlun is slow. Its just he barely had to use his speed, only when attacking.
He not slow, but he is slower then Spiderman. Yes he was pretty much ignoring defense, however he was being dodge more often then not and he was going at spiderman. I don't believe this idea that he was faster or even as fast, he just was fast enough and had little fear of spidermans ability to damage him. Though Spiderman made him bleed and did some damage to him.

Originally posted by SamZED

The moment im referring to is when they both ended up in some apartment. Spider-man was near the wndow and Morlun in another side of the room. Peter leaped to get Morlun away from people as fast as possible but he couldt even reach the window, Morlun already grabbed him, he's crazy fast when he's not playing or doing the "slow cool-looking" walk.

Wasent spiderman seriously injuried by that time though? I never had the impression Morlun was faster, but simply that unlike most brick like opponents, he possess extreme levels of speed.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by zopzop

Hulk, Thor and IF have broken adamantium? OMG, when?

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secondary is not nearly as durable as primary.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he really didn't.

Spiderman could not to anything to Morlun, he couldn't even run away.
yes he did, not great but he gave a good fight. He did better then your impling.

He was able to fight him for an entire day. He was pretty much to spiderman what Omega red was to wolverine. They are able to beat them every time, but they are able to put a bit of a fight up. They do a lot better because they hold back again there opponents because of there superiority/ such as not utilizing there complete power set. There only villains because of there CIS. But that was part of there character.

However there is a clear difference between Morlun that went against Black Panther and the one who went against Panther. Even a hold back Morlun that went against Black Panther would make extremely short work of spiderman. Spiderman would be unable to put a fight up.

Mindset

No, he didn't.

He was running for his life for a day and Morlun was just toying with him.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he didn't.

He was running for his life for a day and Morlun was just toying with him.
Yes he did. He was able to put up a fight which is haft the reason Morlun persuade him. Also I not saying Spiderman could even beat Morlun at all, I am saying he capable of putting up a fight, if morlun holding back. He had pretty much identical relationship with Spiderman as Wolverine did with Omega red. There capable of fighting them because they toy with them. However Morlun that showed up at Panthers door step was completely different beast. If you compare the two is clearly obvious. That Morlun was holding back more so then he did against Spiderman and was destroying the most advance nation on the planet with utter ease.

SamZED

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I can't remember to be honest. I remember it seeming to imply it was because of his energy absorption and then that being confirmed in the handbook.

But when he fought spiderman he clearly was not depicted to be that powerful. He clearly recieved and amp like other villains before him. I agree that he most likely wasnt meant to be that powerful originally, but he didnt actually recieved an amp, not an official power boost that it. They just went with - "he was always that tough but didnt display his full potential before".

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I mean I understand from a story point, yes they can imply that now he was always that strong though, but when that issue was written he was not supose to be. Yes but no more then Gorgon, if he fought Spiderman now, Spiderman would stand no chance, he depicted much stronger and more durable now. I dont think he stood a chance back then even, Morlun was playing with him. And even though he wasnt meant to be THAT powerful he was already too durable for Spider-man's punches, basically laughed at his best shots and Pete delivered dozens.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

He not slow, but he is slower then Spiderman. Yes he was pretty much ignoring defense, however he was being dodge more often then not and he was going at spiderman. I don't believe this idea that he was faster or even as fast, he just was fast enough and had little fear of spidermans ability to damage him. Though Spiderman made him bleed and did some damage to him. I thought it was his blood too but im not sure now, Morlun didnt have a scratch later, maybe that was Pete's own blood. Morlun looked brand new.
I wouldnt go as far as to say he's faster than Spider-an as there's no proof, but the way he cought up to him in that room, that was insanely impressive. Plus he with one hand cought two organic web-lines (the same that were shown to be faster than bullets). He's just not the speed utilizing kinda character but its safe to say he's crazy fast.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Wasent spiderman seriously injuried by that time though? I never had the impression Morlun was faster, but simply that unlike most brick like opponents, he possess extreme levels of speed. That was near the beginning of the fight, Pete wasnt hurt yet. iirc he leaped but Morlun closed the distance before he could reach the window.

zopzop

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
secondary is not nearly as durable as primary.

Ah, you were talking about Secondary Adamantium, I thought you said they broke true adamantium.

Ok, one last thing though, the net Morlun ripped apart is confirmed to be Secondary Adamantium?

SamZED

Dont think it was ever specified oficially.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
I agree that he most likely wasnt meant to be that powerful originally, but he didnt actually recieved an amp, not an official power boost that it. They just went with - "he was always that tough but didnt display his full potential before".
Thats my entire point. I don't disagree that he stronger now or that it was a bad move or anything. Just that when he was written to fight spiderman he was written at much lower level. I think Gorgon could defeat that depiction, but current version, not so much

Originally posted by SamZED

I dont think he stood a chance back then even, Morlun was playing with him. And even though he wasnt meant to be THAT powerful he was already too durable for Spider-man's punches, basically laughed at his best shots and Pete delivered dozens.
He was Omega Red pretty much. Spiderman was capable of putting up a fight with a toying Morlun, but needs plot device to secure any advantage. Morlun wanted to he could have ended a fight between the two extremely fast by simply utilizing his full abilites.

Originally posted by SamZED
I thought it was his blood too but im not sure now, Morlun didnt have a scratch later, maybe that was Pete's own blood.
I just assumed that had to do with his powers, because he could absorb life energy. Which simply kept giving him energy.

Originally posted by SamZED

Morlun looked brand new.
I wouldnt go as far as to say he's faster than Spider-an as there's no proof, but the way he cought up to him in that room, that was insanely impressive. Plus he with one hand cought two organic web-lines (the same that were shown to be faster than bullets). He's just not the speed utilizing kinda character but its safe to say he's crazy fast.

I do agree he was very fast, I jsut dont think he was as fast. He reminds me of Red. Fast enough to when he wants to catch them, but not quite as fast.

Originally posted by SamZED

That was near the beginning of the fight, Pete wasnt hurt yet. iirc he leaped but Morlun closed the distance before he could reach the window.

Oh really dam I did not remember that.

sorry if my point was not originally clear. I dont think Spiderman stould a chance against Morlun when he was his rouge, but he could put up some sort of fight if he was toying with him. But current Morlun depiction shows that he wouldent even register people on spidermans level.

Lord Feron

Hmm would yall think morlun is very high meta or even low herald?

carver9

Low Herald...he is a beast and like everyone said, he was toying with Spiderman. He could have killed Spidey any time he wanted. I am kind of lopsided on who would win this and honestly, I always depicted him as being faster than Spidey. Especially when he killed all of those officers before Spidey could react.

Mindset

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes he did. He was able to put up a fight which is haft the reason Morlun persuade him. Also I not saying Spiderman could even beat Morlun at all, I am saying he capable of putting up a fight, if morlun holding back. He had pretty much identical relationship with Spiderman as Wolverine did with Omega red. There capable of fighting them because they toy with them. However Morlun that showed up at Panthers door step was completely different beast. If you compare the two is clearly obvious. That Morlun was holding back more so then he did against Spiderman and was destroying the most advance nation on the planet with utter ease. Spiderman never even made him stagger.

Show me in scans where Morlun looked like he was even in a fight? Morlun let Spiderman just wail on him and he wasn't even affected. The most "damage" done to Morlun was when Morlun purposely blew himself up in that restaurant, and even that didn't affect him.

leonidas

morlun was awesome initially. spidey got in some good shots but knew he couldn't win and basically ran for his life the whole day. morlun could have ended that fight a couple times iirc in which case the fight would have been nowhere NEAR as 'close' as it ended up being. one of my fave spidey arcs fo sure.

still, bare-handed against gorgon with grasscutter? not sure what he'll be able to do before he's too cut up to fight back. bare-handed guy against uber swordsman with swords that cut anything don't usually end up all that well....

Aries_04

Originally posted by SamZED
Morlun covered like 20 feet faster than Spider-man could cover 5. And he's been hit with hundred vibranium missles. With literally no effect. Shouldnt that make him beast as well?

I like how u put that. But the dood is wearing a grass skirt, that takes him down a couple notches in my book.

SamZED

^ lol he wears a coat sometimes.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Thats my entire point. I don't disagree that he stronger now or that it was a bad move or anything. Just that when he was written to fight spiderman he was written at much lower level. I think Gorgon could defeat that depiction, but current version, not so much. He was Omega Red pretty much. Spiderman was capable of putting up a fight with a toying Morlun, but needs plot device to secure any advantage. Morlun wanted to he could have ended a fight between the two extremely fast by simply utilizing his full abilites.
Sorry for a late responce. Too much work.
Gotcha, agreed.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

I just assumed that had to do with his powers, because he could absorb life energy. Which simply kept giving him energy. Im pretty sure his ability to absorb life force isnt on all the time. He has those bright thingies on his palm to absorb life force. So I guess its just his strength when he hits.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
sorry if my point was not originally clear. I dont think Spiderman stould a chance against Morlun when he was his rouge, but he could put up some sort of fight if he was toying with him. But current Morlun depiction shows that he wouldent even register people on spidermans level. Yeah, if he's going all I out definitely.

Originally posted by carver9
Low Herald...he is a beast and like everyone said, he was toying with Spiderman. He could have killed Spidey any time he wanted. I am kind of lopsided on who would win this and honestly, I always depicted him as being faster than Spidey. Especially when he killed all of those officers before Spidey could react. Dont forget that Spider-man himself was weakened during the fight. He was dying and his powers were failing constantly.