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This latest debate of Colossus vs Juggernaut had me thinking since it is now confirmed that Colossus has the full power of Cytorrak.

Feats: Classic Juggs has tons of feats Current Colossus just has 1( his battle with Kuurth)

winner: Classic Juggs

Logic: They both are tapping into the same power source and have the same amount of Cytorrak's juice flowing through them. So assuming they are both fully powered:

Cain is a human with standard military training.

Peter is a Class 100 mutant with Danger room and wolverine training

winner: Current Colossus

so in these vs boards who wins?

Any other characters in similar positions?

Classic Juggernaut >Current Colossus Fact

unless they want to make it the forcefield that makes juggernaut invunerable that would make sence cause colossus dont know how to use it yet.

Also colossus doesnt seem as strong as classic juggernaut maybe he doesnt know how to fully use juggernauts powers

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Classic Juggernaut >Current Colossus Fact

unless they want to make it the forcefield that makes juggernaut invunerable that would make sence cause colossus dont know how to use it yet.

Also colossus doesnt seem as strong as classic juggernaut maybe he doesnt know how to fully use juggernauts powers

(for the record i am not disagreeing with you)

If they are both fully powered by the same dude why is he greater when Colossus started at a higher base?

so feats trumps logic..

Originally posted by nwg202
(for the record i am not disagreeing with you)

If they are both fully powered by the same dude why is he greater when Colossus started at a higher base?

so feats trumps logic.. Colossus doesnt know his full power yet

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Colossus doesnt know his full power yet

wuuuut? thats ridiculous. cain was like, pow! your the juggernaut complete with super strength and force field thingy which he didnt have to learn how to use.

colossus should be the same. and starting from a higher base means shit for the likes of juggernaut. its like saying adding 100 to one trillion. wont matter at all.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
wuuuut? thats ridiculous. cain was like, pow! your the juggernaut complete with super strength and force field thingy which he didnt have to learn how to use.

colossus should be the same. and starting from a higher base means shit for the likes of juggernaut. its like saying adding 100 to one trillion. wont matter at all.

well if being class 100 doesn't matter his danger room training should.

so what's your stance? feats or logic? or they stalemate and battle for all eternity? or does Colossus superior training help him out

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
wuuuut? thats ridiculous. cain was like, pow! your the juggernaut complete with super strength and force field thingy which he didnt have to learn how to use.

colossus should be the same. and starting from a higher base means shit for the likes of juggernaut. its like saying adding 100 to one trillion. wont matter at all.

Well, Classic Jugs didn't start out know how to use his powers. Remember, when he first got the powers of Juggernaut...the mountain fell on him. It took him years to free himself with all the weight of the rocks that was buried over him. He was basically stuck.

Juggernaut years after this was put into similar situations and escaped with ease. I think it takes time...just like it took time for Black Tom to get use to the power Jugs lended him.

Originally posted by nwg202
well if being class 100 doesn't matter his danger room training should.

so what's your stance? feats or logic? or they stalemate and battle for all eternity? or does Colossus superior training help him out

feats are there to help you with your logic but feats are not the be all end all.

feats + logic + common sense = the best opinions, which sadly, many posters here lack...

i'd take cain's training over pete's danger room training any day. why? cain was a human soldier who was trained to survive. one mistep and he's dead. on the otherhand, pete can trun to steel and most likely wont get hurt due to his armored form. which makes his training less impressive.

as for this matchup, by logic, since their taping into the same power source with the exact same power set. in theory, it should be an eternal stalemate.

but since i haven't been following the x-men much, i really dont' know what kind of an up grade colossus got. so meh..

Originally posted by carver9
Well, Classic Jugs didn't start out know how to use his powers. Remember, when he first got the powers of Juggernaut...the mountain fell on him. It took him years to free himself with all the weight of the rocks that was buried over him. He was basically stuck.

Juggernaut years after this was put into similar situations and escaped with ease. I think it takes time...just like it took time for Black Tom to get use to the power Jugs lended him.

naw, it has more to do with back stories than anything else. without that kind of back story, people would go "so...where were you all these years?"

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
feats are there to help you with your logic but feats are not the be all end all.

feats + logic + common sense = the best opinions, which sadly, many posters here lack...

i'd take cain's training over pete's danger room training any day. why? cain was a human soldier who was trained to survive. one mistep and he's dead. on the otherhand, pete can trun to steel and most likely wont get hurt due to his armored form. which makes his training less impressive.

as for this matchup, by logic, since their taping into the same power source with the exact same power set. in theory, it should be an eternal stalemate.

but since i haven't been following the x-men much, i really dont' know what kind of an up grade colossus got. so meh..

ok cool... so u think soldiers are better trained than super heroes. Yah of course we are assuming they have equal power

Originally posted by nwg202
ok cool... so u think soldiers are better trained than super heroes. Yah of course we are assuming they have equal power

most of the time, yes. lets take say captain america and doc samson. who is the stronger and the more durable of the two? who is the more skilled fighter?

less power = more training = better skills
more power = less required training = less skills

of course there are exceptions like wonder woman, she may be strong and durable, but she lived in a place where her strength and durability meant little since a she could easily be killed, hence her skills.

I personally place the training the X-men have received above the training of a 'Nam era G.I., but that's just me.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I personally place the training the X-men have received above the training of a 'Nam era G.I., but that's just me.

depends on the x-man. like i said, colossus was taught how to fight but since extremely durable...why dodge when you can just walk through things or absorb it..which wolverine has proven time and time again despite him being rated as one of the top fighters in marvel.

When ordained the avatar of Cytorrak many things come into consideration to gauge how much power they are receiving.
-Timing.
-knowledge.
-experience.
The fact that Colossus starts with higher stats than Cain Marco doesn't mean much for Juggernaut's abilities are way above Colossus'.

Colossonauts feats should be his own. And to assume any connection with the prior holder should not hold much ground.

You have to also factor in that Cain Marco was a douchbag/bully who had an intense hatred for his step brother Charles Xavier.
Piotr Rasputin although a brick and brawler is a peaceful and emotional man who likes to write poetry and cry about his deadish sister.
I don't think he has the balls to use this gift to it's fullest potential unless he completely lets go of his humanity, and potentially that will bring us a new Colossus.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I personally place the training the X-men have received above the training of a 'Nam era G.I., but that's just me. True.

for the record, i totally hate this colossus upgrade. they should have just given him a second mutation thus making him stronger putting him at the top of the 100 toner food chain but not at the levels of the stupidly strong like hulk.

No PIS classic Juggs is invulnerabe and doesnt feel pain. Colossus had his skull crack and felt everything.

Originally posted by SamZED
No PIS classic Juggs is invulnerabe and doesnt feel pain. Colossus had his skull crack and felt everything.

I think they were basically telling you how strong Jugs amped with the hammer was. Even though Kuurth was capable of damage Colossus doesn't mean that people like Thor or Supes could. Kuurth was a natural beast and we do not know how much power cytorrak took from him.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
for the record, i totally hate this colossus upgrade. they should have just given him a second mutation thus making him stronger putting him at the top of the 100 toner food chain but not at the levels of the stupidly strong like hulk. , he is perfect how he is, i doubt he is as strong as hulk no one is as strong as hulk

Originally posted by carver9
I think they were basically telling you how strong Jugs amped with the hammer was. Even though Kuurth was capable of damage Colossus doesn't mean that people like Thor or Supes could. Kuurth was a natural beast and we do not know how much power cytorrak took from him.

+1. I think they wanted us to fully understand how powerful kuurth was/is. Colossus said he had never felt pain like that. And he's been hit by almost everyone. So for kuurth to hurt him in his cytorrak form means kuurth was very very strong.

And Colossus still literally walk right through him at 600mph. This version of Colossus should be a f*?n beast and with no bfr truly unstoppable. But I'm sure they will job him. Unfortunately.

Originally posted by carver9
I think they were basically telling you how strong Jugs amped with the hammer was. Even though Kuurth was capable of damage Colossus doesn't mean that people like Thor or Supes could. Kuurth was a natural beast and we do not know how much power cytorrak took from him.

Or, you know, how weak Colossus currently is in the station. As pointed out, Cain was a bully and filled with a lot of hatred and took the power for selfish reasons.

Piotr on the other hand....

Not downplaying Kuurth, just saying.

Worthy Juggernaut =/> Thor > Worthy Attuma = Worthy Cain =/> Classic Juggernaut = Colossus Juggernaut

Colossus has the full power of the Juggernaut and Kuurth at his peak was more powerful than Classic Juggernaut. Cain has never the strongest or most powerful guy on the planet. He has been hurt plenty of times without his force field.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Worthy Juggernaut =/> Thor > Worthy Attuma = Worthy Cain =/> Classic Juggernaut = Colossus Juggernaut

Colossus has the full power of the Juggernaut and Kuurth at his peak was more powerful than Classic Juggernaut. Cain has never the strongest or most powerful guy on the planet. He has been hurt plenty of times without his force field. Lol wtf

In power

Kuurth (before depowerment)
Classic Juggernaut
Kuurth
Thor
Colossusnaut

If thor was brick he would be dead last,

Colossus is not a Classic Juggernaut Levels, only stupid would say other wise

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Lol wtf

In power

Kuurth (before depowerment)
Classic Juggernaut
Kuurth
Thor
Colossusnaut

If thor was brick he would be dead last,

The only Worthy I'll entertain being more powerful than Thor are Kuurth at full power, Absorbing Man potentially and Nul. Thor would definitely take any of the other Worthy down. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Also, how can anyone believe Classic Juggernaut is more powerful than Thor? We've seen Thor trump his two most powerful enchantments. Hell, he practically admitted that Mjolnir had more power.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Colossus is not a Classic Juggernaut Levels, only stupid would say other wise

Yes he is. The comic made it quite clear. So did the writer but his statements isn't even necessary to anyone who has a lick of common sense.

The entire point behind Colossus being empowered is Cytorrak picking a new avatar to channel and illustrate his power.

I can accept that, but for the most part my list was based on strength and durability only

Also i wonder where you would place silver sufer against the worth in power and colossusnaut

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I can accept that, but for the most part my list was based on strength and durability only

Also i wonder where you would place silver sufer against the worth in power and colossusnaut
I thought your list was based on overall power. Whatever, I don't really care.

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought your list was based on overall power. Whatever, I don't really care.

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg Ya, I just read that. The old team Surfer. Get hit a lot, don't put out any offense. Classic

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought your list was based on overall power. Whatever, I don't really care.

Surfer? The scans speak for themselves:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-13.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-19.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-20.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/FearItselfTheDeep4of4-21.jpg

Bwahahahahaha!!! Norrin got "team jobbed".

Originally posted by dmills
Bwahahahahaha!!! Norrin got "team jobbed".

Exactly, when you are on a team you most probably job just like Colossus will.

That to me is the problem with feats, they are all over the place. It really depends on the writers. Popular characters will win more often than not.

If we go by logic Classic juggs feats should apply to Colossus too there is no reason it shouldn't. (assuming he is fully powered)

I have a question? If someone like Current Colossus loses in a brawl to someone like ironman or wonderman or freaking luke cage, is that PIS? when is it piss and when is it a feat?

Is that a feat for ironman or wonderman? and can you use that against all avatars of cyttorak?

the low and high showings of characters are really all over the place.

So does this mean Worthy attuma> then the surfer? and since Colossus beat Kuurth can Colossus potentially beat the Surfer now?

Originally posted by nwg202
Exactly, when you are on a team you most probably job just like Colossus will.

That to me is the problem with feats, they are all over the place. It really depends on the writers. Popular characters will win more often than not.

If we go by logic Classic juggs feats should apply to Colossus too there is no reason it shouldn't. (assuming he is fully powered)

I have a question? If someone like Current Colossus loses in a brawl to someone like ironman or wonderman or freaking luke cage, is that PIS? when is it piss and when is it a feat?

Is that a feat for ironman or wonderman? and can you use that against all avatars of cyttorak?

the low and high showings of characters are really all over the place.

So does this mean Worthy attuma> then the surfer? and since Colossus beat Kuurth can Colossus potentially beat the Surfer now?

As a general rule I almost always expect heralds to job somewhat in team settings. Considering that Norrin has crushed Beta ray bill straight up and recently stopped a Thor hammer blow cold with just his own strength, I'd say him getting slapped around like that by Attuma was out of sorts.

Originally posted by dmills
As a general rule I almost always expect heralds to job somewhat in team settings. Considering that Norrin has crushed Beta ray bill straight up and recently stopped a Thor hammer blow cold with just his own strength, I'd say him getting slapped around like that by Attuma was out of sorts.

So i guess you go by logic over feats.

So in a vs forums when u say Current Colossus you think of him as the Avatar of Cytorrak and all the power that comes with it, regardless if he jobs in a team setting? Since he is herald level as well now

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
for the record, i totally hate this colossus upgrade. they should have just given him a second mutation thus making him stronger putting him at the top of the 100 toner food chain but not at the levels of the stupidly strong like hulk.

Same here; it's borderline retarded, and serves no real purpose.

--

Colossus is just too vague atm. Yes, he has Cyttorak's power, but we've only seen him use it in one fight (that he was losing, incidentally). Hopefully we'll see more in the next issues of Uncanny.

Colossus was cleary winning that fight, i dont get where you thought he was loosing sure he was taking damage but he had a high level healing factor that keep healing his damage, kuurth couldnt have put him down with that healing factor

Another example is red hulk and thor. Red hulk (Loeb Force) owned the first time but most people think it was PIS. But it happened. Then you have Angrir owning the Red Hulk who was owned by Thor.

Feats really go all over the place...

This Colossus and Kuurth thing is also similar. people have differnt views...some think Colossus won( I think he did) But Kuurth made him bleed (which by logic is stupid because Colossus doesn't bleed!) so others assume he is not fully powered ( but the actual writter said he was)...some people think he actually lost that fight becase of Colossus thoughts while the art showed him mauling Kuurth and Kurth was powerless to stop him from being pushed back..

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Colossus was cleary winning that fight, i dont get where you thought he was loosing sure he was taking damage but he had a high level healing factor that keep healing his damage, kuurth couldnt have put him down with that healing factor

Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed. But his healing factor keep healing his wounds almost instantly,

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
But his healing factor keep healing his wounds almost instantly,

I wouldn't say it was instantaneous, or even close to that. It always struck me as being more of an endurance thing tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not imo. I thought Colossus was shown to be the inferior of the two. The only way he was going to win was to push Cain back through the energy. Otherwise he was screwed.

But cain couldn't stop him. He was getting thrown all over the place and punched and put on his ass. If he was truly more powerful he should have been able to STOP the unstoppable colossus. Cain's life actually depended on him stopping Colossus so the stakes were through the roof and he still couldn't.

It's like a mike tyson vs a regular guy. Colossus was dictating the fight. you dont see mike tyson backtracking vs a less powerful human.

Originally posted by nwg202
But cain couldn't stop him. He was getting thrown all over the place and punched and put on his ass. If he was truly more powerful he should have been able to STOP the unstoppable colossus. Cain's life actually depended on him stopping Colossus so the stakes were through the roof and he still couldn't.

It's like a mike tyson vs a regular guy. Colossus was dictating the fight. you dont see mike tyson backtracking vs a less powerful human.

It was stated that Cain was stronger and faster; that Colossus' advantage was his momentum, which has generally always been an advantage the Juggernaut has had.

Colossus wasn't winning a straight up fight; that was pretty solidly implied in the comic i thought.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It was stated that Cain was stronger and faster; that Colossus' advantage was his momentum, which has generally always been an advantage the Juggernaut has had.

Colossus wasn't winning a straight up fight; that was pretty solidly implied in the comic i thought. He is talking about what is shown on panel vs colossus statements

Statement says kuurth is superior
Art shows colossus owning kuurth

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
He is talking about what is shown on panel vs colossus statements

Statement says kuurth is superior
Art shows colossus owning kuurth

Colossus isn't going to lie about his own bones being broken.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus isn't going to lie about his own bones being broken.

In a straight up fight Kuurth stilll produces runes. So if we assume momentum is all the colossus had he can still push cain into those runes which will destroy him in the end.

His bones were broken but he was healing. He was bleeding (which is stupid if you look at it logically) but he was perfectly fine at the end of the fight. Hulk and Logan bleed and get massive injuries all the time but they still walk away winning most those fights.

Cain head was rolling over. He was getting thrown into buildings and manhandled i dont know how you can miss that. You dont know what type of injuires Cain has because the writer didn't get into his head, without Colossus thoughts would he look like he was losing to you in that fight?

hmmm.. this thread was supposed to be about logic vs feats though...lol

Originally posted by nwg202
In a straight up fight Kuurth stilll produces runes. So if we assume momentum is all the colossus had he can still push cain into those runes which will destroy him in the end.

His bones were broken but he was healing. He was bleeding (which is stupid if you look at it logically) but he was perfectly fine at the end of the fight. Hulk and Logan bleed and get massive injuries all the time but they still walk away winning most those fights.

Cain head was rolling over. He was getting thrown into buildings and manhandled i dont know how you can miss that. You dont know what type of injuires Cain has because the writer didn't get into his head, without Colossus thoughts would he look like he was losing to you in that fight?

hmmm.. this thread was supposed to be about logic vs feats though...lol

I haven't read all of Fear Itself, just the X-Men tie-in, so why does he have to produce runes as they fight?

Colossus bleeding is inconsistent, but it's not without precedent.

That's exactly the point though; we don't know how much or how little Cain was being injured. Knocking someone down is one thing, but without knowing whether Cain was badly hurt or not, we can't assume he was as injured as Colossus, who stated on panel that his bones were being broken, and that Cain was stronger and faster.

Indeed lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't read all of Fear Itself, just the X-Men tie-in, so why does he have to produce runes as they fight?

Colossus bleeding is inconsistent, but it's not without precedent.

That's exactly the point though; we don't know how much or how little Cain was being injured. Knocking someone down is one thing, but without knowing whether Cain was badly hurt or not, we can't assume he was as injured as Colossus, who stated on panel that his bones were being broken, and that Cain was stronger and faster.

Indeed lol

wait wait wait, colossus said his bones were being broken? isnt he solid steel when transformed? or at least all his organs and bones turn to steel too.. lots of BS writing these days I tell you..they should have the decency to do a little research before writing shit.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
wait wait wait, colossus said his bones were being broken? isnt he solid steel when transformed? or at least all his organs and bones turn to steel too.. lots of BS writing these days I tell you..they should have the decency to do a little research before writing shit.

Agreed. I wouldn't be so hard on the writers though, there is a ton of reference material and history to go through...It's the editors that need to start shaping up. What are they getting paid for if they can't keep track of a popular character's power set.

Originally posted by nwg202
Agreed. I wouldn't be so hard on the writers though, there is a ton of reference material and history to go through...It's the editors that need to start shaping up. What are they getting paid for if they can't keep track of a popular character's power set.

marvel comes up with their official hand book crap. they should put common stuff like power sets and feats in there for their stupid ass writers to look up. same goes for them lazy ass editors! do some research damn it!

Full powered Kuurth punched a non-powered Colossus and he did not bleed but he bled when had a major amp. Doesn't make sense. And didn't Kuurth punch him one time during their ending fight while Colossunaut got the remainder of the hits.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
wait wait wait, colossus said his bones were being broken? isnt he solid steel when transformed? or at least all his organs and bones turn to steel too.. lots of BS writing these days I tell you..they should have the decency to do a little research before writing shit.

It's some really bad inconsistency with Colossus. They've written him as solid metal, and then just metal with organs that are metal too, and such.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's some really bad inconsistency with Colossus. They've written him as solid metal, and then just metal with organs that are metal too, and such.

Yup. Exactly, he has so many powers that people forget. He doesn't need to breath, but he needs a space suit in space. he had a resistance to magic but people forget that. He bleeds energy, now he is bleeding blood. It's hard to debate using characters with so many inconsistencies.

I wonder why regular colossus didnt get injured when kuurh punched hi

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I wonder why regular colossus didnt get injured when kuurh punched hi

Not even a scratch and this was full powered Kuruuth. Colossus stated that his skull and bones cracked after being hit by Kuurth hammer. Kuurth hammer was basically unstoppable...Magneto couldn't even stop it and Colossonaut took it head on to the face. Of course he would have felt some damage...he just got hit by an unstoppable hammer.

Originally posted by nwg202
Yup. Exactly, he has so many powers that people forget. He doesn't need to breath, but he needs a space suit in space. he had a resistance to magic but people forget that. He bleeds energy, now he is bleeding blood. It's hard to debate using characters with so many inconsistencies.

Aye. It's yet another reason why I believe comic characters should have bibles handed out to every writer, like in tv shows.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I wonder why regular colossus didnt get injured when kuurh punched hi

if he didn't, it's possible that standard colossus is more durable than colossus-naut sans forcefield/HF.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Aye. It's yet another reason why I believe comic characters should have bibles handed out to every writer, like in tv shows.



if he didn't, it's possible that standard colossus is more durable than colossus-naut sans forcefield/HF.

i agree. marvel's hand books is a good start. though they should stop with all the stupid power level ratings. it sucks balls. if they really must have one they should all get together and decide on it rather than letting some random dude guess up some random value.

Originally posted by carver9
Not even a scratch and this was full powered Kuruuth. Colossus stated that his skull and bones cracked after being hit by Kuurth hammer. Kuurth hammer was basically unstoppable...Magneto couldn't even stop it and Colossonaut took it head on to the face. Of course he would have felt some damage...he just got hit by an unstoppable hammer.

And Colossus wanted more! He enjoyed the pain etc. But its odd how his bones could break

Originally posted by DickBlazer
And Colossus wanted more! He enjoyed the pain etc. But its odd how his bones could break

I don't think it actually happens if you ask me. I think Colossus was just talking during the heat of battle. Again, if that was true, that would make normal Colossus>>amped Colossus. Normal Colossus took a pinch head on from Kuruuth and had no broken bone, not even a scratch but we have a more powerful Colossus being injured from a weakened hammer jugs.

Originally posted by nwg202
(for the record i am not disagreeing with you)

If they are both fully powered by the same dude why is he greater when Colossus started at a higher base?

so feats trumps logic..

Kieron Gillen said Cyttoraks power is effecting Colossus differently.

Originally posted by carver9
Not even a scratch and this was full powered Kuruuth. Colossus stated that his skull and bones cracked after being hit by Kuurth hammer. Kuurth hammer was basically unstoppable...Magneto couldn't even stop it and Colossonaut took it head on to the face. Of course he would have felt some damage...he just got hit by an unstoppable hammer.

The hammer wasn't unstoppable after Cytorrak took his power away.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Kieron Gillen said Cyttoraks power is effecting Colossus differently.

Where did you read that?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The hammer wasn't unstoppable after Cytorrak took his power away. Where did you read that?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I wonder why regular colossus didnt get injured when kuurh punched hi Good point.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Kieron Gillen said Cyttoraks power is effecting Colossus differently.

Yup. I was curious about that too. Is it possible that he has a slightly different power set?

So far he is literally unstoppable in forward motion. he has super speed (if he can run at 600mph while beating up somebody he can probably break the speed of sound) and has insane healing and hulk like strength. ( you can't man handle kuurth like that without top tier strength)