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So, I have been wondering if Superboy Prime is the most powerful of the current kryptonians or is it the same case of Supergirl wherein he just doesn't hold back.

He's definitely powerful, but imho, Prime's not that much more powerful than mainstream New Earth Superman if was also not holding back at all.

He's more powerful...and very emotional too...friggin scary character. Is he more powerful? Friggin yah!

I think he's a lot more powerful than Superman is.

Unfortunately he got so overpowered he just became a plot device; walking PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he's a lot more powerful than Superman is.

This.

The guy was pushing planets around with ease.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's definitely powerful, but imho, Prime's not that much more powerful than mainstream New Earth Superman if was also not holding back at all.

Originally posted by roughrider
Unfortunately he got so overpowered he just became a plot device; walking PIS.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's definitely powerful, but imho, Prime's not that much more powerful than mainstream New Earth Superman if was also not holding back at all.




Might add SM performed really good vs Time trapper UNTIL He finds out is Super-emo

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's definitely powerful, but imho, Prime's not that much more powerful than mainstream New Earth Superman if was also not holding back at all.

He's much more powerful than Superman.

Superman has never been portrayed as anything but nowhere near a match for Prime when they both appear in a comic, to the extent that he can overpower dozens of different heroes at once, including Superman, when but a single ray of sunlight hits his hand.

By Superman's own words, he has no chance in a direct confrontation with SBP.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's much more powerful than Superman.

Superman has never been portrayed as anything but nowhere near a match for Prime when they both appear in a comic, to the extent that he can overpower dozens of different heroes at once, including Superman, when but a single ray of sunlight hits his hand.

By Superman's own words, he has no chance in a direct confrontation with SBP.

He always holds back vs SBP.

He is always trying to talk with him and SBP is always throwing a tantrum.

He put a good fight vs Time Trapper until He found out He was SBP.

I believe SBP is more powerful but only slightly as SBP is Faster and does not has the magick weakness and his Kryptonite is not sold in every corner of the world.

but not a lot more powerful, every time SM faces him, he tries to talk or does not uses any of his other powers. SBP does.

Originally posted by biensalsa
He always holds back vs SBP. Prove it.

For Superman to be equal in might to SBP, or even near it, his physical strength would have to be much greater than that of Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Power Girl, and all of the other heroes in that dogpile combined.

Are you really suggesting he holds back that much against SBP? Really?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove it.

For Superman to be equal in might to SBP, or even near it, his physical strength would have to be much greater than that of Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Power Girl, and all of the other heroes in that dogpile combined.

Are you really suggesting he holds back that much against SBP? Really?

I am saying that He holds back a lot vs SBP

First of all You have to understand the history they have from before.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_pic015.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_pic016.jpg

Understand how much He pities him and wants to help him

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_pic027.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_FCLegionof3World02Page013.jpg,

And then You will understand why having sometimes the advantage He never uses his other powers and tries to reason with him instead of taking advantage of his other powers and not pressing against the attack of a psyco like SBP, why not punching him in the face? why not using hv? why trying to talk instead?

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_FCLo3WPage008-009.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_FCLo3WPage010.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_FCLo3WPage011.jpg

And consider the teams SM has gone against too

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20OTHER%20KRYPTONIANS/th_WotS04-0045KRYPTONIANSTORESTRAINKALEL.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20TEAM/th_sb3AFTERBEINGDRAINEDVSTEAM4.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20TEAM/th_SMBM32VSTEAM4.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20TEAM/th_manofsteel10vsteamofsuperheroes3.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20TEAM/th_manofsteel10vsteamofsuperheroes4.jpg

After seeing this the idea of SM holding back against SBP is quite possible.

SBP is invulnerable to kryptonite and magic superman dies. -_-

Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
SBP is invulnerable to kryptonite and magic superman dies. -_-


Yes, He has those advantages over SM too.

But he is only invulnerable to kryptonite that is not from the prime universe

Prime is far more powerful imo but Superman would still give him a fight dur to experience.

First of all Biensalsa, your scans are utterly puny.

Second of all, you dodged the gist of my point.

For Superman to have strength even near that of Prime, he would have to be stronger than his holding back levels (Don't get me wrong, I am well-aware that Superman doesn't use his full might most of the time, and probably not against Prime) and the strength of these characters:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs15.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs16.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs17.jpg

combined. Are you really prepared to say that? Superboy Prime easily overpowered all of those characters when a single ray of sunlight beamed onto his fingertips.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw13.jpg

Superman outright admits he can't stop him without help. Not won't, can't.

I really don't see why this is so hard to accept. Prime is stronger than Superman, and not by a small amount. He has made Guardians look like chumps, overpowered Superman every time they fought when Prime was operating at peak capacity (And even when weakened substantially, deprived of both sunlight as well as his armour, his heat vision went through Superman's shoulder like butter), he has dominated teams of heroes, some including powerful top tiers. He can move planets so casually and quickly that the structure of the universe is altered.

Prime is portrayed as more powerful. It is that simple.

Why would Superman hold back against Prime when he knows Prime can take it? Why would Superman "allow" Prime to kill all of the people he killed if Superman had the power to stop Prime? Why would Superman aid Earth 22 Superman in dipping Prime in a red Sun if Superman had the power to stop Prime? The answer is easy, he didn't have the power to stop Prime rampage. Prime was too power and too strong.

Originally posted by carver9
Why would Superman hold back against Prime when he knows Prime can take it? Why would Superman "allow" Prime to kill all of the people he killed if Superman had the power to stop Prime? Why would Superman aid Earth 22 Superman in dipping Prime in a red Sun if Superman had the power to stop Prime? The answer is easy, he didn't have the power to stop Prime rampage. Prime was too power and too strong.

Your logic has so many holes in it, it might as well be cheese.

Well to be fair, if Superman did have the power to stop Prime, and didn't, and allowed him to butcher everyone he has, he looks like a colossal jerkass who doesn't deserve to be called a hero. Sort of like why Batman is undeserving of being considered a hero for the Joker's continued existence.

Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all Biensalsa, your scans are utterly puny.

Second of all, you dodged the gist of my point.

For Superman to have strength even near that of Prime, he would have to be stronger than his holding back levels (Don't get me wrong, I am well-aware that Superman doesn't use his full might most of the time, and probably not against Prime) and the strength of these characters:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs15.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs16.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs17.jpg

combined. Are you really prepared to say that? Superboy Prime easily overpowered all of those characters when a single ray of sunlight beamed onto his fingertips.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw13.jpg

Superman outright admits he can't stop him without help. Not won't, can't.

I really don't see why this is so hard to accept. Prime is stronger than Superman, and not by a small amount. He has made Guardians look like chumps, overpowered Superman every time they fought when Prime was operating at peak capacity (And even when weakened substantially, deprived of both sunlight as well as his armour, his heat vision went through Superman's shoulder like butter), he has dominated teams of heroes, some including powerful top tiers. He can move planets so casually and quickly that the structure of the universe is altered.

Prime is portrayed as more powerful. It is that simple.

After revisiting my scans of SBP nudging that planet on another thread is kind of pointless to prove that. If He can do that so easily, Then He is stronger, how much? Don't know and why Superman never goes all out vs him is another is another topic.

Feat wise and after having analyzed the nudging of a planet there is no more point about it.

No need to use words as "utterly puny" as You can see Superman can also hang with teams of elites.

But yes I agree, He is portrayed as PC level. while SM is at best lite PC level

But still point stands You have seen SBP going all out vs Superman as He always tries to kill him, yet He can't, and We have never seen a Superman going all out vs Prime.

Quick point here.

Not that your actual argument made change my point of view, as it not a real solid case, we could use the same example and show how he was defeatedby the teen titans.

What changed my stance was to see how easily he moved that planet and how consistently prime universe characters are very powerful, in the other hand we have superman moving a planet 15 times the size of earth under a red sun with help though, but is good starting point to see how much stronger he could really be.

Originally posted by biensalsa
After revisiting my scans of SBP nudging that planet on another thread is kind of pointless to prove that. If He can do that so easily, Then He is stronger, how much? Don't know and why Superman never goes all out vs him is another is another topic.

Feat wise and after having analyzed the nudging of a planet there is no more point about it.

No need to use words as "utterly puny" as You can see Superman can also hang with teams of elites.

But yes I agree, He is portrayed as PC level. while SM is at best lite PC level

But still point stands You have seen SBP going all out vs Superman as He always tries to kill him, yet He can't, and We have never seen a Superman going all out vs Prime. We've also seen Superboy Prime rip open Monarch's containment suit, survive touching the Anti Monitor while it killed a Guardian, brush off Superman among others when the sunlight hit him in the Sinestro Corps war tie in, etc. We've seen Superman use gang up tactics on him before that usually doesn't mean gang up on the weaker guy it means guy on on the more powerful guy.

Prime has been consistently portrayed as greater than Superman. I've seen Superman go all out it still doesn't compare to a guy who ripped open Monarch's containment suit after reading through Countdown Arena.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We've also seen Superboy Prime rip open Monarch's containment suit, survive touching the Anti Monitor while it killed a Guardian, brush off Superman among others when the sunlight hit him in the Sinestro Corps war tie in, etc. We've seen Superman use gang up tactics on him before that usually doesn't mean gang up on the weaker guy it means guy on on the more powerful guy.

Prime has been consistently portrayed as greater than Superman. I've seen Superman go all out it still doesn't compare to a guy who ripped open Monarch's containment suit after reading through Countdown Arena.

Damn I'm getting a lot of stalkers!

Originally posted by biensalsa
Damn I'm getting a lot of stalkers! I am responding to your argument here. If you will note the thread I claimed Prime is a lot more powerful long before your stint on kmc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am responding to your argument here. If you will note the thread I claimed Prime is a lot more powerful long before your stint on kmc.

Good to know, not that it worries me, it will be actually funny.

But thanks anyway, now run along, spit spot

i think superboy prime is a great character, the way he developes through the comics, how he actually blames the writers for all thats happened to him. not to mention how powerful he is...
what i dont get is why superboy prime is so powerful, powerful enough to break outta the source wall and even through dimensions, taking over different universes... why are kryptonians so much stronger in earth prime?

Originally posted by zetaprime
i think superboy prime is a great character, the way he developes through the comics, how he actually blames the writers for all thats happened to him. not to mention how powerful he is...
what i dont get is why superboy prime is so powerful, powerful enough to break outta the source wall and even through dimensions, taking over different universes... why are kryptonians so much stronger in earth prime?

The editors and writers made up their own logic for this when they decided to make him a villain. His first appearance during COIE in 1985, he was no more powerful than Superman was; he was just another Superboy.

SBP powers work differently, he is at full strength as soon as he comes in contact with yellow sunlight. Sbp is more powerful than superman but not because of the examples carver used because superman can do those too. When sbp decided to blow up oa he flew so fast that none could catch up with him and that included superman.

An example of how much superman holds back... The impirex probes were giving everyone trouble and were more than a match for the other super heroes. When superman decided not to hold back he was treating them like fodder. So IMO non holding back superman - minus magic weakness and no green k can replicate what sbp did.