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marvel seems to be using earth's most powerful team for the new uncanny x team. A lot of people seem to agree. This is normally the Avengers title. Who wins it?


Colossus fully powered w/gem, Magneto, Magik, Namor, Danger, Emma, Cyclops, Storm and Hope.


vs

Thor, red hulk, miss marvel, Iron man, Protector, Wolverine, Spider girl, spider man, hawk eye and cap

I've always thought that the Avengers beat most x-teams. This X-team seems to have way more fire power though...which is a first for me.

Thor, red hulk, iron man and miss marvel are the heavy hitters for the avengers

Colossus, Magik, Hope, Magneto, Emma, Namor, Storm and Danger are heavy hitters for the x-men

actually every member of the x-men is capable of insane damage.

Magneto shields Emma long enough for her to make Thor turn on his team.

Magik BFRs the rest to Limbo.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Magneto shields Emma long enough for her to make Thor turn on his team.

Magik BFRs the rest to Limbo.

Can emma control Thor? i think she'll have a tough time with Thor and iron man. Magik and Colossus can double team thor though..

I agree though that the x-men have some serious fire power. The Avengers are out gunned. Thor is the only reason they are in this...

You guys reckon Stark and Protector can hack Danger?

Cause she's the only one Ironman's Sonics won't effect.

Originally posted by the ninjak
You guys reckon Stark and Protector can hack Danger?

Cause she's the only one Ironman's Sonics won't effect.

good question earth and kree vs shiar tech.

That would be hilarious if all the herald level x-men were all taken down by sonics.

Avatar of Cyttorak, master of magnetism, king of atlantis, ruler of limbo and the mutant messiah rushing iron man and all of them folding up like lawn chairs due to sonics. I'd love to see that happen. lol

The Annihilators appear and destroy both teams.

Originally posted by Bentley
The Annihilators appear and destroy both teams.

Well you technically have Odin, Cyttorak, Limbo and the Phoenix Force backing the teams up. So it wont be a walk in the park for them.

The Annihilators got Nova's and Starlord's aproval. And they have Cosmo.

Danger will most likely hack Stark. Also the Shi'ar are more advanced then Kree. Also don't think Earth take can quite measure up either. She hacked S.W.O.R.D. and now this...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=10170

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/295b67ci10170/prv10170_pg3.jpg
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The Sh'iar are currently a part of the Kree empire though

Originally posted by Bentley
The Sh'iar are currently a part of the Kree empire though

Touche , but don't think Protector has access to their technology at the moment.

The Sh'iar were cited as the most advanced civilisation IRRC before the merger a few times.

well I'm pretty sure danger brings a lot to the table. (holograms, lasers. shape shifting, sonics, cl100 strength and durability, etc...)

hmm...is this a close fight? Or do the x-men stomp? I thought this would be a close fight. didn't really realize how powerful this x-men team is.( i was just so used to the avengers owning other x-teams, heck thor could solo them before) Each x-man is a team wrecker.

Originally posted by nwg202
well I'm pretty sure danger brings a lot to the table. (holograms, lasers. shape shifting, sonics, cl100 strength and durability, etc...)

hmm...is this a close fight? Or do the x-men stomp? I thought this would be a close fight. didn't really realize how powerful this x-men team is.( i was just so used to the avengers owning other x-teams, heck thor could solo them before) Each x-man is a team wrecker.

Danger is too advanced for Stark or Nor-Varr IMO, Bastion managed to dupe her using "future tech" though which trumps all.

I personally think Magik would wreck Thor.

Red Hulk depending on how he's written could do well I guess. I don't know we'll have to see what Colossernaut can do.

The team is built around specialists. They basically have deux ex machina tools...Magik has always been an anti-magic plot device though.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Danger is too advanced for Stark or Nor-Varr IMO, Bastion managed to dupe her using "future tech" though which trumps all.

I personally think Magik would wreck Thor.

Red Hulk depending on how he's written could do well I guess. I don't know we'll have to see what Colossernaut can do.

The team is built around specialists. They basically have tools designed to take down heavy hitters...Magik has always been an anti-magic plot device though.

Yah, that soul sword might cause thor a bit of trouble. red hulk got schooled by angrir while Colossus took it to Kuurth. Thor is quite a handful though. I think it would take a double team of magik and colossus to take care of him.

Hope is scary too she can basically copy all the powers of the powerful mutants on the battlefield. she can handle the red hulk.

emma can take care of the small fry. mags would own wolverine and miss marvel. Storm and namor can tag team ironman. and Danger and Cyclops and its not looking good for the Avengers.

Everyone seems to fear the soulsword even Elder demon Gods.

I have a feeling Mr. Sinister will be joining this team as well. Or will be joining the X-Club.

The team is built around specialists. They basically have deux ex machina tools...Magik has always been an anti-magic plot device though.

Yah the team is stacked. they have everything covered.


Magik brings sorcery, teleportion and time travel on a sorcerer supreme level
Danger brings all sorts of tech
Emma is world class telepath
Namor is the underwater specialist who can fly and is cl 100 bruiser
Colossus is your literaly "unstoppable" brick (he might even be a low level speedster)
Storm and Mags are your high end energy users (offense, defense)
Hope can double your attacks and defenses and has the ultimate trump card if things get hairy(PF)
Cyclops bring the leadrship and his blast is no joke either. (he is the weakest by far on this team though)

As of right now I'd give Red Hulk the nod over Colossus due to lack of feats.

How strong is red hulk? Superman strong or thor strong

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Danger is too advanced for Stark or Nor-Varr IMO, Bastion managed to dupe her using "future tech" though which trumps all.


Noh is not a 616 kree, he's from a future iteration of krees which are much more advanced. In his dimension they actually surpassed the limits of their evolution, which explains why Noh has insect DNA on his body.

Just to explain why Protector hacks the heck out of Danger.

The avengers have a lot of light weights who go down almost instantly due to emma's TP cap, the spiders, hawkeye.

Ironman and wolerine might have serious problems with Mags. mag can probably use wolvrine as a weapon for the x-men

Thor is normaly the one trump card the avengers have. but with a juggernaut and soulsword weilding magik on the x-team. he is in for quite a battle.

Danger vs the protector i have no idea.

Storm and namor can deal with miss marvel

emma hope and cyc can take on red hulk

and if hope goes pyscho or magik ports them to limbo where she is all powerful...it wont look good for the avengers

Can Magneto use Colossus as an unstoppable projectile?

Originally posted by Simbon
Can Magneto use Colossus as an unstoppable projectile?


Yeah, im pretty sure he can. He can turn Colossus into one big wrecking ball. Colossus together with wolverine flying all over the space will cause massive damge.

I don't know which is more effective though, Mags using Colossus as a bullet or Colossus just using the unstoppable enchantment blitzing and running over people all over the place. With mags colossus can take down flyers though.

This is the scary thing about this team. They have great synergy with their powers. Storm can power up Namor. Mags can use Colossus. Emma can use tp behind mags sheilds. magik can sneak up on people while they are tangled up with others. Hope can basically combine all the strengths of the differnt members.

The team is really stacked.They should be fighting threats like the Celestials like the preview shows.

Hulk soloes

Thank to ExodusCloak for the scans. I saw what Magik did to Mephisto. Cyc should have just used that sword on Kuurth.

Colossus can keep Thor busy while Magik teleports from behind and skewers him from behind.

^ Pure souls, even a portion thereof, have always been anathema to Mephisto. And the Soulsword was forged using that pure portion of her soul. I doubt the Soulsword would have dealt any lasting damage had she actually used it on him. It'd hurt obviously, but Mephisto has had a pure soul (or its power) burst forth from his head twice already. Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Everyone seems to fear the soulsword even Elder demon Gods. Not Doom. biscuits

Is this avenger line up on the weaker side or stronger side of their usual line ups?
They do have The big 3 (ironman, Thor and cap) and a hulk plus miss marvel. No scarlet witch though. That would be a great match up the witch(not HOM) vs magik.

Would a classic line up of Thor, ironman, Cap, scarlet witch (classic), wonderman, vision, wasp, giantman, hawkeye line up be a better match?

How would you guys rank each side?

Avengers:
Thor-high herald
Redhulk-mid to high herald (got owned by worthy thing)
Iron-man-high meta to low herald
miss marvel-high meta to low herald
Cap-street level
Hawkeye-street
Wolvrine-high/mid meta?
protector-mid to high meta?
spider man-mid meta?
spider woman-mid meta?

X-men:
Hope-high herald potentially a lot higher
Magik-high herald
Colossus-mid to high herald Avatar of Cyttorak but lacks feats hence the mid ranking (beat worthy one single feat)
Magneto-mid herald
Namor-low herald
Storm-high meta? low herald?
Emma-high meta? low herald?
Cyclops-mid to high meta
Danger-high meta to mid herald? shiar uber robot

Magik and Hope have high heralds feats?

Cyclops is high meta. That's really the only one I care about.

Originally posted by Bentley
Magik and Hope have high heralds feats?

Well, one scan showed magik threatening Mephisto in his own realm with the soulsword right to his neck.

In another comic Cyclops had most of the x-men including magneto, namor, Storm and iceman ready to take her on in case she went rouge.

In x-infernus, The hel lords- Mephisto, Hela, stananish etc...were watching her from their meeting and were concerned about her growing power.

Her powerset is incredible..time travel, teleporation, mind control, healing, black and white magic.(Sorcerer Supreme type stuff i guess) and the sould sword and armor seem to scare even the people like the hel lords.

Hope can basically copy the powers of the multiple mutants near her and she snapped she broke a dome that even the Avengers had trouble getting through i think. Thor and the others were shocked. (not sure if the avengers tried to brake it down or they were just spectators) She's been called the mutant messiah or the anti christ...I must admit hopes powers have yet to be fully understood. Pretty sure a marvel event will revolve around her in the future.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops is high meta. That's really the only one I care about. Yeah i guess so.. how many avengers you think he can drop with his most powerful blast?

Originally posted by nwg202
Yeah i guess so.. how many avengers you think he can drop with his most powerful blast?

His blasts can put down any of the not-so durable ones quite easily imo, especially with his range and accuracy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
His blasts can put down any of the not-so durable ones quite easily imo, especially with his range and accuracy.

When Hope took out bastion with the eye blast, was that Scott's blast she adapted or was that the phoenix force?

Originally posted by nwg202
When Hope took out bastion with the eye blast, was that Scott's blast she adapted or was that the phoenix force?

What incident are you referring to? I haven't read all of the recent X-Men stuff.

Originally posted by nwg202
How would you guys rank each side?

Avengers:
Thor-high herald
Redhulk-mid to high herald (got owned by worthy thing)
Iron-man-high meta to low herald
miss marvel-high meta to low herald
Cap-street level
Hawkeye-street
Wolvrine-high/mid meta?
protector-mid to high meta?
spider man-mid meta?
spider woman-mid meta?

X-men:
Hope-high herald potentially a lot higher
Magik-high herald
Colossus-mid to high herald Avatar of Cyttorak but lacks feats hence the mid ranking (beat worthy one single feat)
Magneto-mid herald
Namor-low herald
Storm-high meta? low herald?
Emma-high meta? low herald?
Cyclops-mid to high meta
Danger-high meta to mid herald? shiar uber robot

This seems about right

Originally posted by nwg202
Is this avenger line up on the weaker side or stronger side of their usual line ups?
They do have The big 3 (ironman, Thor and cap) and a hulk plus miss marvel. No scarlet witch though. That would be a great match up the witch(not HOM) vs magik.

Would a classic line up of Thor, ironman, Cap, scarlet witch (classic), wonderman, vision, wasp, giantman, hawkeye line up be a better match?

The original one you posted is on the weaker side.

An Avengers Lineup that would match up better to this X-Men Team is:

Thor
Ironman (BE)
SW (not HOM)
Wonderman
Prof. Hulk
Miss Marvel
Quick Silver
Vision
Cap

Shouldn't Colossus be a low herald just like classic Juggs?

Originally posted by Bentley
Shouldn't Colossus be a low herald just like classic Juggs?

Classic Jugs shouldn't be low herald...Mid herald at least.

I think he was established as a low herald before he showed teleportation.

In my defense Cain's feats as Juggs are much better and he should be higher than Colossus until proven otherwise.

Not sure where Colossus belongs on the tiers guide, but Classic Jugs should be no lower than Mid Herald. His battles vs. Thor are enough to put him there.

Well, I'd assume they kept it there for flexibility reasons. The tiers were pretty inclined towards flexibility, otherwise Magneto and Doom wouldn't be considered low heralds.

Originally posted by Bentley
Shouldn't Colossus be a low herald just like classic Juggs?

hmm.. really? I always though Classic Juggs was high herald. He has been described as a Thor level Character. He might not be as versatile as Thor and the a lot of high heralds. But he is basically unstoppable and immune to harm. He took world war hulk one on one when Hulk was going thru people like blackbolt and Herc etc....

I always though that Hulk, Juggs and Thor were in the same boat. I personally think Thor is the most powerful. But u can argue about the 3 for days on end.

As for Colossus. I'm just going with his one single feat which was impressive. Namor had the entire defenders team (surfer included) for help and they still couldn't put the worthy Attuma down.
Mags was hurling air craft carriers at Kuurth and had the help of the entire mutant community and still came up short. Even Red Hulk and the Avengers got owned by the Worthy.

Outside Thor and maybe ghost rider. The only Hero that could go one on one with the Worthy was the new Colossus. He even manged to defeat him...

Originally posted by nimbus006
The original one you posted is on the weaker side.

An Avengers Lineup that would match up better to this X-Men Team is:

Thor
Ironman (BE)
SW (not HOM)
Wonderman
Prof. Hulk
Miss Marvel
Quick Silver
Vision
Cap

That's a pretty strong line up id love to see wanda and magik go at it. hmmm... actually that has a lot of nice match ups. Wonder man vs Namor. Vision vs Danger. Mags vs miss marvel, ironman prof hulk up againts Magneto. Colossus vs Thor...very interesting.

Hope and emma are problems though i just saw emma put down wonder man in the childrens crusade without much effort.

Is that the most powerful offical Avengers roster? I just really got into the Avengers with perez and buisek

Originally posted by nwg202
hmm.. really? I always though Classic Juggs was high herald. He has been described as a Thor level Character. He might not be as versatile as Thor and the a lot of high heralds.


The way the tiers worked back then made versatility the prime factor of being in higher tiers. Also most of the High Heralds have manhandled people who is quite powerful, something they've never allowed Juggs to do.

Originally posted by Bentley
The way the tiers worked back then made versatility the prime factor of being in higher tiers. Also most of the High Heralds have manhandled people who is quite powerful, something they've never allowed Juggs to do.

Well if the main requirement is versatility then Juggs and Hulk are out.

But head to head.. the 3 just go on in circles with Thor being the most powerful and versatile. Hulk just keeps getting stronger and just keeps on healing and Juggs being unstopable with insane durabilty and regen like the Hulk.

so all 3 side just keep arguing since Thor has the most options available while Juggs and Hulk just cant be killed with their regen.

So in this battle i just see Colossus and Thor slugging it out while magik just sneaks behind and stabs him with the soul sword from behind. Thor can bfr colossus thru teleportation or throwing him into space but magik can just bring him back...

The reasoning about the matches that you glossed over, is that while physical power is one main reference in comic fights, it's still just one kind of fight. If you get an excellent physical challenger, and a more powerful psychic characters, you have to debate not about "overall power", because those matchups will be decided by how powersets compete at each other and are not just fixed by actual fights. Juggernaut's powerset is good to deal with most of what Thor can ditch, but other characters much less powerful would put him into trouble.

Both Hulk and Juggernaut and more than simple bricks, but are still more one-dimensional than say, Superman. The reasoning is that because of those limitations they will find many more negative matchups regardless of their "power level". The reasoning, of course, has it's flaws, but it was not intended to be perfect.

Originally posted by Bentley
The reasoning about the matches that you glossed over, is that while physical power is one main reference in comic fights, it's still just one kind of fight. If you get an excellent physical challenger, and a more powerful psychic characters, you have to debate not about "overall power", because those matchups will be decided by how powersets compete at each other and are not just fixed by actual fights. Juggernaut's powerset is good to deal with most of what Thor can ditch, but other characters much less powerful would put him into trouble.

Both Hulk and Juggernaut and more than simple bricks, but are still more one-dimensional than say, Superman. The reasoning is that because of those limitations they will find many more negative matchups regardless of their "power level". The reasoning, of course, has it's flaws, but it was not intended to be perfect.

I agree... like any sport, it is all about the match ups. It's a combination of versatility and raw power. Both storm and mags are more versatile then Colossus but they lacked the raw power to put down Kuurth, while Colossus could. If you wanted to kill iceman you would rather have emma then Colossus with gem, even if emma isn't on the level of Colossus power wise. Just like emma would have a much easier time dealing with a flyer like wonderman than Current Colossus.( since he cant fly)

Which is what makes this x-team so strong. They have both versatility and raw power.

Originally posted by nwg202

Is that the most powerful offical Avengers roster? I just really got into the Avengers with perez and buisek

Most Powerful? Def not...

The thing is, the Avengers have had so many lineups (honorary members and such) over the years, it's hard to come up with a "most powerful lineup". However, I'll give it a shot.

Including honorary members:

Thor
Savage Hulk (current was never technically a member)
Scarlet Witch
Captain Marvel (Mar-vell)
Sersi
Sentry
Wonderman
Dr. Strange
Iron Man

edit: I just noticed you said "official", lol.

Technically, the only unofficial one in the list above is Mar-vell.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Most Powerful? Def not...

The thing is, the Avengers have had so many lineups (honorary members and such) over the years, it's hard to come up with a "most powerful lineup". However, I'll give it a shot.

Including honorary members:

Thor
Savage Hulk (current was never technically a member)
Scarlet Witch
Captain Marvel (Mar-vell)
Sersi
Sentry
Wonderman
Dr. Strange
Iron Man

edit: I just noticed you said "official", lol.

Technically, the only unofficial one in the list above is Mar-vell.

Oh sorry, I didn't make my self clear when i meant official i meant like an actual roster much like the current x-men and avengers in this fight. The 9 x-men are the "official" team for uncanny. like a canon "line up". Yup the Avengers do have a lot of heavy hitters in their ranks.

So if this x-men team is being touted as the most powerful "official" line up of all time for the x-side what's the avengers version?

This x-team has a defenders vibe going on.. hope(potentially)=surfer, hulk=colossus, magik(limbo at least)=strange and namor=namor. Not exactly of course but similar roles..

Originally posted by nwg202
Oh sorry, I didn't make my self clear when i meant official i meant like an actual roster much like the current x-men and avengers in this fight. The 9 x-men are the "official" team for uncanny. like a canon "line up". Yup the Avengers do have a lot of heavy hitters in their ranks.

So if this x-men team is being touted as the most powerful "official" line up of all time for the x-side what's the avengers version?

This x-team has a defenders vibe going on.. hope(potentially)=surfer, hulk=colossus, magik(limbo at least)=strange and namor=namor. Not exactly of course but similar roles..

Ah, I see.

Well, then yea, perhaps the team I previously mentioned might be it.

I saw magik use her teleport discs in the most creative way in an old new mutants issue. She was using them as shields ala captain america so all the laser and bulletes would just get BFR'd

She also redirected some blasts and a blitz by forming two discs, basically turned the blast on its owner. Seems like she can form the discs instantly. and she also set up a battle with a a lot of discs not sure what her limit is. but the picutre had more then 20 id wager....very powerful stuff

Another intresting use was she bascially bfr'd a robot army to limbo where she had her powerful demons wating to feed on them

Let's say red hulk tries to punch her teleport shield and she dumps him in a black hole?

I'm especially curious about this scenario..what if Thor threw his hammer and magik's bfr the hammer to another dimension like cyttorak's or a black hole? Will the hammer teleport itsself back? How long will it take for the hammer to find Thor again?

Can she redirect a god blast? since technically its not a shield its not stopping the blast...shes just redirecting it like the lasers and bullets