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Green Lantern VS Invisible Woman


No prep. no bfr. current Hal. invisible woman enters the fight invisible,with shields up, & not holding back whatsoever.









who wins?

Does...Hal know he's in a fight???

yes

I'm not sure even with the reboot IW can beat Hal, what's she going to do put a bubble in his brain, probably not.

IW isn't holding back. like I already said in the op.

I wonder how this fight would turn out if we use "this" invisible woman.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/412/46339003ha3.jpg/

i don't like clicking links, so can you say what the image show?

It's Invisible Woman with the Unipower. Why don't you like clicking links?

Hal has the ring locate Susan.

Hal's firepower breaches her defenses.

Hal wins 10/10.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hal has the ring locate Susan.

Hal's firepower breaches her defenses.

Hal wins 10/10.


lolz, cuz IW isn't just going to brain bubble hal while the ring attempts to find her.

bonus lolz... did you read the infinity war? do you realize what susan was able to stop with her shields in the opening issues?

Originally posted by wildernesss
lolz, cuz IW isn't just going to brain bubble hal while the ring attempts to find her.

bonus lolz... did you read the infinity war? do you realize what susan was able to stop with her shields in the opening issues?

Lolz because Hal's ring isn't going to shield him from that avenue of attack.

Bonus lolz...do you know what Hal Jordan is capable of with his power ring?

Susan has a long way to go before beating a competent Green Lantern for the majority, if at all.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lolz because Hal's ring isn't going to shield him from that avenue of attack.

Bonus lolz...do you know what Hal Jordan is capable of with his power ring?

Susan has a long way to go before beating a competent Green Lantern for the majority, if at all.


hal shields aren't always active...& no, I don't think his shields would prevent a focused brain bubble or cutting off his oxygen supply; a focused brain bubble would bypass his shields & manifest within the shields, not without. almost a teleportation type attack. susan's constructs are stronger than hal's.

I know that susan's shields have taken the hulk's hits and thor's blasts without any hint of damage.

also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses.

hal.

how? she is one of the only beings to rupture the shell of a Celestial. current or pre-reboot hal would pop like a balloon.

Originally posted by wildernesss
hal shields aren't always active...& no, I don't think his shields would prevent a focused brain bubble or cutting off his oxygen supply; a focused brain bubble would bypass his shields & manifest within the shields, not without. almost a teleportation type attack. susan's constructs are stronger than hal's.

I know that susan's shields have taken the hulk's hits and thor's blasts without any hint of damage.

also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses.

His shields have stopped worse.

Her constructs are stronger than Hal's? Based on what?

Thor nearly overpowered her shields and she said the strain of stopping him was nearly too much. For that matter, Hulk and Thor alike would do the same to a Green Lantern's shields, given the opportunity.

Current Hal is essentially the same Hal that's been penned by Geoff Johns for the past several years. That Hal is solidly High Herald and is beyond Susan, brain attacks or no.

Hal Jordan.

Originally posted by wildernesss
I know that susan's shields have taken the hulk's hits and thor's blasts without any hint of damage.

When was this?

Here shields is powerful but hits from heavy hitters fatigues her.


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It took 3 hits from Gladiator to take down her force field despite the psychic interference.

Now what hammer wielding Asgardian did it in in two? mhmm

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
His shields have stopped worse.

Her constructs are stronger than Hal's? Based on what?

Thor nearly overpowered her shields and she said the strain of stopping him was nearly too much. For that matter, Hulk and Thor alike would do the same to a Green Lantern's shields, given the opportunity.

Current Hal is essentially the same Hal that's been penned by Geoff Johns for the past several years. That Hal is solidly High Herald and is beyond Susan, brain attacks or no.


for starters, how about rupturing the shell of a Celestial. could Hal top that feat with his constructs? no.

so what if he is high herald & beyond susan in your opinon? he doesn't get a forum win by default because of his herald status. beleive it or not, he actually has to be able to defeat susan when she is not holding back at all. a focused brain bubble would bypass hal's shields as his shields essentially create a thin membrane of protection over the outside of his body. a focused brain bubble attack from within is essentially a teleported construct which would expand from within. a construct capable of rupturing a Celestial's shell. hal loses, high herald or not.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It took 3 hits from Gladiator to take down her force field despite the psychic interference.

Now what hammer wielding Asgardian did it in in two? mhmm



she could have used a brain bubble on gladiator before he ever got to the third punch.

a Celestial's shell > gladiator

So we are using nothing but high showings for her but disregarding high showings for Hal.

I'm pretty sure there was PIS surrounding that event - something about her energy being attuned to Celestial's. It shouldn't be taken as an overall example of her power if their weakness was her strength. It's less about her power and more about her tactical advantage against that one specific type of character.

Originally posted by wildernesss
for starters, how about rupturing the shell of a Celestial. could Hal top that feat with his constructs? no.

so what if he is high herald & beyond susan in your opinon? he doesn't get a forum win by default because of his herald status. beleive it or not, he actually has to be able to defeat susan when she is not holding back at all. a focused brain bubble would bypass hal's shields as his shields essentially create a thin membrane of protection over the outside of his body. a focused brain bubble attack from within is essentially a teleported construct which would expand from within. a construct capable of rupturing a Celestial's shell. hal loses, high herald or not.

Krona Buster. Hal had summoned enough willpower to override not just the ring's "no Guardian killing" perogative, but managed to shoot Krona in spite of him being in control of Ion, y'know, the entity whose energy comes from all the willpower in the universe.

Further more, you realize the context of Susan rupturing the shell of a Celestial? I hope to God you do.

Not my opinion, but fact, really. He gets the win based off of his feats and capabilities, which frankly, shit on Invisible Woman. Believe it or not, Susan actually has to deal with one of the greatest Green Lanterns of all time. Any of the four Earth Lanterns merc Susan, all of which with various degrees of ease, and that's whether she's blood lusted or not.

It would be a great idea if you actually researched some of the characters you pit against one another instead of just randomly throwing them in threads.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Krona Buster. Hal had summoned enough willpower to override not just the ring's "no Guardian killing" perogative, but managed to shoot Krona in spite of him being in control of Ion, y'know, the entity whose energy comes from all the willpower in the universe.

Further more, you realize the context of Susan rupturing the shell of a Celestial? I hope to God you do.

Not my opinion, but fact, really. He gets the win based off of his feats and capabilities, which frankly, shit on Invisible Woman. Believe it or not, Susan actually has to deal with one of the greatest Green Lanterns of all time. Any of the four Earth Lanterns merc Susan, all of which with various degrees of ease, and that's whether she's blood lusted or not.

It would be a great idea if you actually researched some of the characters you pit against one another instead of just randomly throwing them in threads.

that feat is PIS of the highest order. either Krona was completely incompetant with the Ion entity, or it is PIS. otherwise this feat basically claims that hal has more willpower than the entire universe. if this were so, and this feat was representative of hal's power, he would be unmatched and unrivaled....basically the Spectre's (with full presence) equal. we know this is not so, because batman beats hal up sometimes.

And I sure do know the context of susan rupturing the Celestial's shell....
& it is a hell of a lot more legitimate than the feat you listed. attempts to diminish that feat are ridiculous & coming across as grasping at straws. there is no trickery or overt PIS involved in that feat. susan's energy
was a vibrational match of sorts to the Celestial. so what? In the sane vein, why don't we throw out your GL feat because Krona's energy was specifically weak against hal's vibrational frequency?? susan's feat is still a incredible feat no matter how you decide to frame it. thor, at his best could only dent a Celestial's armor.

and it would be great if you, likewise, researched the characters you so
rapidly decree below the formidability of some character, who by virtue of bestowed status is entitled to an automatic win. IW wins this, I don't give a crap if you don't agree. nothing could prevent her from bypassing hal's shields & expanding a force bubble. and hal couldn't penetrate her shields before she does. period.

Originally posted by wildernesss
that feat is PIS of the highest order. either Krona was completely incompetant with the Ion entity, or it is PIS. otherwise this feat basically claims that hal has more willpower than the entire universe. if this were so, and this feat was representative of hal's power, he would be unmatched and unrivaled....basically the Spectre's (with full presence) equal. we know this is not so, because batman beats hal up sometimes.

And I sure do know the context of susan rupturing the Celestial's shell....
& it is a hell of a lot more legitimate than the feat you listed. attempts to diminish that feat are ridiculous & coming across as grasping at straws. there is no trickery or overt PIS involved in that feat. susan's energy
was a vibrational match of sorts to the Celestial. so what? it's still a incredible feat no matter how you decide to frame it. thor, at his best could only dent a Celestial's armor.

and it would be great if you, likewise, researched the characters you so
rapidly decree below the formidability of some character, who by virtue of bestowed status is entitled to an automatic win. IW wins this, I don't give a crap if you don't agree. nothing could prevent her from bypassing hal's shields & expanding a force bubble. and hal couldn't penetrate her shields before she does. period.

baka

So, basically, what you're saying here is that Susan's feat is legitimate and as such valid when determining her power output but Hal's is not because you deem it PIS, even though power rings have a storied history of going far beyond the norm when the situation calls for it.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee148/theguitarhero1/Heath%20Ledger/joker-14.gif

Riiiiight....

Moving on, Hal wins this not just because he's a high herald. He wins this because of his feats which trump Susan's as a whole. She's invisible to the naked eye? So what? Power ring finds her. She puts up shields? So what? Power ring busts through her defenses. She goes for bubble in the brain? So what? Hal's power ring shields him from that avenue of attack.

It's a good thing you don't give a crap about how I don't agree with your arbitrarily declaring Susan the winner in your thread based off of nothing substantial.

Read some Green Lantern.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
baka

So, basically, what you're saying here is that Susan's feat is legitimate and as such valid when determining her power output but Hal's is not because you deem it PIS, even though power rings have a storied history of going far beyond the norm when the situation calls for it.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee148/theguitarhero1/Heath%20Ledger/joker-14.gif

Riiiiight....

Moving on, Hal wins this not just because he's a high herald. He wins this because of his feats which trump Susan's as a whole. She's invisible to the naked eye? So what? Power ring finds her. She puts up shields? So what? Power ring busts through her defenses. She goes for bubble in the brain? So what? Hal's power ring shields him from that avenue of attack.

It's a good thing you don't give a crap about how I don't agree with your arbitrarily declaring Susan the winner in your thread based off of nothing substantial.

Read some Green Lantern.


no, I'm saying hal's feat is overt PIS for obvious reasons...while susan's
feat is a more legimate feat which must ALSO have the circumstances taken into consideration when determing her power level. obviously she doesn't get full credit since her frequency match was a significant factor. it is still an awesome display of power regardless of that. In the same vein, even if hal's feat wasn't utter PIS...krona's weakness against hal could be attributed to a weakness against hal's vibration frequency. a plot devise not unlike susan's feat. too bad the PIS came first.

you have a lot of "so whats?" there....too bad they don't see the forest for the trees. hal's shields create a protective membrane covering the OUTSIDE of his body. his internal body, brain, etc, is not protected by his
shields; his shields would be useless against a construct generated within his body. that's exactly what susan can do while simutaneously cutting off his air supply to further ensure the win while he attempts to locate her. it's unlikely hal would even locate her before she decideds to end the fight.

there's nothing arbitrary about that. you want me to read more gl? take your own advice & read more about susan. try the future foundation. now that's an awesome book.

In addition to the Krona buster, Hal also put a hurting on Zero Hour Parallax.

Hal beats her silly, no contest.

Hal would beat her and Super Skrull at the same time.

Hal wins.

Sure, you could argue that the ring given to him by Sinestro is weaker. (maybe it has no auto-defences?) But I don't buy it.

So it is essentially pre-reboot Hal against IW. Nothing about it seems to have changed. And whilst you may say that the auto-shields only protect the outside of the body, seeing as they also protect against telepathic attacks, I can't see why they won't protect against the bubbles.

Her invisibility is cancelled out by the ring. Her Celestial busting attack is cancelled out by her exploiting a specific weakness (no one here will argue for Metallo, for example, in a fistfight with Captain Marvel). So it boils down to her defence, which I can see HAl overwhelming.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hal wins.

Sure, you could argue that the ring given to him by Sinestro is weaker. (maybe it has no auto-defences?) But I don't buy it.

So it is essentially pre-reboot Hal against IW. Nothing about it seems to have changed. And whilst you may say that the auto-shields only protect the outside of the body, seeing as they also protect against telepathic attacks, I can't see why they won't protect against the bubbles.

Her invisibility is cancelled out by the ring. Her Celestial busting attack is cancelled out by her exploiting a specific weakness (no one here will argue for Metallo, for example, in a fistfight with Captain Marvel). So it boils down to her defence, which I can see HAl overwhelming.


a telepathic attack is easily blocked through hal's external shields the same way magneto's helmet provides psi-shielding; it's still an attack originating from an external source & attempting to enter the same way;
it's a far cry from susan's hyperspace based power which doesn't have to penetrate or go through anything. she can literally warp hyperspace to the point where her constructs pop up anywhere she wants, including from the inside out of an object. hal should be worried about his own defence as susan (not holding back) could end the fight long before her shield's are down.

even if you disregard the celestial feat, susan has shielded herself from attacks from galactus & even managed to do minor damage to him. basically, if this is a race to see if hal can locate & destroy her shields before she brain bubbles him.... i'm not betting on hal.

Originally posted by wildernesss
a telepathic attack is easily blocked through hal's external shields the same way magneto's helmet provides psi-shielding; it's still an attack originating from an external source & attempting to enter the same way;
it's a far cry from susan's hyperspace based power which doesn't have to penetrate or go through anything. she can literally warp hyperspace to the point where her constructs pop up anywhere she wants, including from the inside out of an object. hal should be worried about his own defence as susan (not holding back) could end the fight long before her shield's are down.

even if you disregard the celestial feat, susan has shielded herself from attacks from galactus & even managed to do minor damage to him. basically, if this is a race to see if hal can locate & destroy her shields before she brain bubbles him.... I'm not betting on hal.

Omni-directional blast? If he knows she's invisible, he could go invisible as well, putting her at a massive disadvantage as she can't detect him. I know Kyle has done this before, Hal more than likely could do the same (utrn invisible, that is).

Fly up into the air, then drop a fire-truck on her. I know she has tanked blows from harder hits, but this is done without her seeing Hal.

Or dig the ground out from under her.

Or encase her in a box, then extract all the oxygen out from it.

Hal could go intangible, too.

360 degree attack from Hal

He finds her.

Then he puts her down like Old Yeller.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hal has the ring locate Susan.

Hal's firepower breaches her defenses.

Hal wins 10/10.

Generally yeah; if this is pre-reboot Hal. The ring would detect any attack on him (and find her no problem), and he'd be able to deal with it quick enough.

Not to mention that a brain bubble isn't really in character.

Hal puts a construct bubble in Sue's head ftw.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not to mention that a brain bubble isn't really in character. If she isn't holding back it actually would be.

Not saying she wins though.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If she isn't holding back it actually would be.

Not saying she wins though.

I honestly don't agree. No holding back doesn't turn someone in to a killer; it just makes them more determined to win imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't agree. No holding back doesn't turn someone in to a killer; it just makes them more determined to win imo.

Agreed.

As an example, Superman races against the Flash. The Flash, under my stips, 'is not holding back'.

This doesn't mean he kills Superman, only that he is more determined to win within character.....

Originally posted by carver9
Here shields is powerful but hits from heavy hitters fatigues her.


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She says in that her shields can hold the Hulk, and should have been able to hold Gladiator, but culdnt due to the psychic feedback he was generating.

But In any case shes not herald level. GL wins 10/10.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed.

As an example, Superman races against the Flash. The Flash, under my stips, 'is not holding back'.

This doesn't mean he kills Superman, only that he is more determined to win within character.....

Plus, it's Hal Jordan. If it was Doom and he'd just murdered Franklin or something, then yeah, I could see her doing some crazy, lethal shit. Hal is an unknown to her, and it falls under the CIP rule to an extent.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Plus, it's Hal Jordan.

Which means Susan is susceptible to being seduced by him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which means Susan is susceptible to being seduced by him.

mmm

Well played. He totally could too.

Hal creates a flyboy jacket and wears it in front of her. She forgets Reed and her inhibitions.

Score Hal.

As if seducing Sue was a big deal...

Originally posted by Bentley
As if seducing Sue was a big deal...

Does what Namor and T'Challa couldn't. And Doom wishes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does what Namor and T'Challa couldn't. And Doom wishes.

Namor's an arrogant dick, and T'Challa reads books on his honeymoon. Not exactly the cream of the PIMP crop, there.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Namor's an arrogant dick, and T'Challa reads books on his honeymoon. Not exactly the cream of the PIMP crop, there.

That's where I've been going wrong in my choice of pimp models...

Also, Doom doesn't get laid often enough.

Sue hasn't slept with Namor because of PIS

Originally posted by Bentley
Also, Doom doesn't get laid often enough.

Sue hasn't slept with Namor because of PIS

I thought it was CIS, myself......

Nah, CIS is the reason she stays with Reed with all the time he takes her for granted.

Originally posted by Bentley
Nah, CIS is the reason she stays with Reed with all the time he takes her for granted.

he probably built her the world's greatest vibrator or something.

My vote goes to Hal still, but Sue can definitely take some wins after being able to shield from that Celestial blast. Especially since the Celestials somewhat casually merged and rocked Galactus in the same issue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does...Hal know he's in a fight???

Originally posted by wildernesss
Green Lantern VS Invisible Woman


No prep. no bfr. current Hal. invisible woman enters the fight invisible,with shields up, & not holding back whatsoever.









who wins?

Sue wins handily with these stips.

Hal stomps.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sue wins handily with these stips.

no bfr you think she beats hal...?

Yeah....she starts the match with shields up, cloaked, and is willing to kill as per OP. Kinda hard not to see how she doesn't, with her recent feats of cloaking.

Could the ring get a read on her energy signature? Leaning towards GL.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Could the ring get a read on her energy signature? Leaning towards GL.

If a Watcher couldn't detect her, Hal isn't.

And even IF he could, by the time he does find her, she'd have bubbles his brain.

Hal is faster, Hal is more powerful, and Hal can get through her shields and detect her. How is this not a stomp?

Could Hal find her by just blowing up everything in a 500 meter radius? She's not intangible.

Whether that's in character or not is a separate argument, I guess.

Going by her highest fears, Sue could win this, but those fears seem... Piss.

so you think she wins and wins EASILY?

how would she bubble him when he has his shields up...? and just because the watcher doesn't find her (was he actively looking for her?) doesn't mean hal can't. an aoe is one possibility but the ring can find practically anything if hal wills it. i'd argue the ring's ceiling exceeds uatu's. i mean the ring has tracked DREAMS via psychic vibrations galan and i may have used that as part of a tourney we won wayyyyyy back lol her powers are said to be vibrational in nature, the source originating in hyperspace (supported by her ability to injure celestials). don't see why he simply couldn't set the ring to search for the shift in vibrations to find her. his scope of power simply exceeds her, as does his feats imo. don't see how she beats hal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If a Watcher couldn't detect her, Hal isn't.

And even IF he could, by the time he does find her, she'd have bubbles his brain.

Watchers are usually garbage though. Also, Hal is a lot more versatile. Not only can he phase, but he can also go invisible as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
so you think she wins and wins EASILY?

how would she bubble him when he has his shields up...? and just because the watcher doesn't find her (was he actively looking for her?) doesn't mean hal can't. an aoe is one possibility but the ring can find practically anything if hal wills it. i'd argue the ring's ceiling exceeds uatu's. i mean the ring has tracked DREAMS via psychic vibrations galan and i may have used that as part of a tourney we won wayyyyyy back lol her powers are said to be vibrational in nature, the source originating in hyperspace (supported by her ability to injure celestials). don't see why he simply couldn't set the ring to search for the shift in vibrations to find her. his scope of power simply exceeds her, as does his feats imo. don't see how she beats hal.

That's the thing; according to op, only Sue has her shields up.

Sure, you can make a case he eventually finds her. Assuming he thinks to search for vibrational shifts in the area.

But match starts, he tries to find her, whilst she....just has to bubble him. She's already cloaked, and shielded. He isn't. He's still in character. She's willing to kill.

Originally posted by Smurph
Could Hal find her by just blowing up everything in a 500 meter radius? She's not intangible.

Whether that's in character or not is a separate argument, I guess.

He could do that, then we'd have to argue if it goes through her shields, whilst she's also attacking him. That's the main problem with IW, her simultaneous offense and defense. But on top of that, OP has stacked it in IW's favour.

So we'd now have to argue if it's in Hal's character to just enter a battlefield and continuously set off AoE attacks while thinking to search for vibrational shifts then instructing the ring to do so then actually finding her then actually targeting her then actually getting to her.

Meanwhile, she has to...put a bubble in him. It's just...... difficult for me to see Hal getting to do all this stuff before he starts losing consciousness from a stroke.

Also just so people know: OP had clarified that none of Hal's pre-52 feats were allowed, for whatever reason. I think at this point JL#1 had just been released, lol (peep the light show!! Batman stealing his ring etc).

So we have:
An N52 Hal (yes yes I know Lanterns were the same blah blah but OP explicitly said no feats from pre52);
Sue willing to kill, with brain bubbles;
Sue entering this match with her shields up;
Sue entering this match cloaked; and
N52 Hal in character.

It's just such an uphill battle for Hal in this thread. That's without me bringing up Sue's feats.

okay fair enough. didn't see no shield for gl. standard battle i'd take hal for sure but with these stips i agree.

Originally posted by leonidas
okay fair enough. didn't see no shield for gl. standard battle i'd take hal for sure but with these stips i agree.

Hence my post:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sue wins handily with these stips.

Also, since you asked about the Watcher:
https://i.postimg.cc/G3BRtnWw/13-2.jpg

And just recently, she snuck a whole load of heroes into Latveria on a 747 that she made out of her forcefields (so NOT a cloaked 747), past Sorceror Supreme Doom into Latveria, when Wanda says she can't:

https://i.postimg.cc/p93gbqwg/15.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/rdDvPvP1/16.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pmGwk2qV/17.jpg

So that's her maintaining a forcefield construct all the way on a flight from....NYC to Latveria, then all the heroes (Thor/Vision/Wanda etc etc) invisible.

Roll call of heroes:
https://i.postimg.cc/BLKt47XD/04.jpg

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Watchers are usually garbage though. Also, Hal is a lot more versatile. Not only can he phase, but he can also go invisible as well.

Susan is capable of negating cloaking that can hide 'thousandS upon thousandS' of planets from Galactus, including his most sophisticated sensors:

https://i.postimg.cc/RW94Vj11/RCO018-1469051939.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jLyRTsfd/RCO019-1469051939.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/z3sq4LVc/RCO020-1469051939.jpg

A summary confirming this:
https://i.postimg.cc/0M6qBxxv/9513934-1000017354.jpg

OP didn't say no shields for GL though. Are we taking it as a given that Hal has no auto shields or that IW bypasses them?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Susan is capable of negating cloaking that can hide 'thousandS upon thousandS' of planets from Galactus, including his most sophisticated sensors:

https://i.postimg.cc/RW94Vj11/RCO018-1469051939.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jLyRTsfd/RCO019-1469051939.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/z3sq4LVc/RCO020-1469051939.jpg

A summary confirming this:
https://i.postimg.cc/0M6qBxxv/9513934-1000017354.jpg
She can unhide herself from Hal easily then

Originally posted by Smurph
OP didn't say no shields for GL though. Are we taking it as a given that Hal has no auto shields or that IW bypasses them?

lol you're right. took his word for it. why that little....

back to my original opinion. hal wins. unless we're are VERY specifically limiting him to a couple of specific showings. which is.... but let's clarify.

Originally posted by Smurph
OP didn't say no shields for GL though. Are we taking it as a given that Hal has no auto shields or that IW bypasses them?
The fact that he specifically mentioned IW entering with her shields up and no mention of Hal, led me to that conclusion.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol you're right. took his word for it. why that little....

back to my original opinion. hal wins. unless we're are VERY specifically limiting him to a couple of specific showings. which is.... but let's clarify.

I quoted the OP on the preceding page. As for the showings:
Originally posted by wildernesss
also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses.

OP left it open ended as to whether Hal has shields up. All they said is that they "aren't always active".

Originally posted by wildernesss
hal shields aren't always active...& no, I don't think his shields would prevent a focused brain bubble or cutting off his oxygen supply; a focused brain bubble would bypass his shields & manifest within the shields, not without. almost a teleportation type attack. susan's constructs are stronger than hal's.

I know that susan's shields have taken the hulk's hits and thor's blasts without any hint of damage.

also, were talking about current hal btw. pre-reboot feats don't count. hal loses. So I don't think that specifying Sue's shields are up means that Hal's auto shields are disabled. OP just didn't specify either way.

And incidentally I don't think OP was right to assume that his shields couldn't prevent a brain bubble.

Originally posted by Smurph
OP left it open ended as to whether Hal has shields up. All they said is that they "aren't always active".

So I don't think that specifying Sue's shields are up means that Hal's auto shields are disabled. OP just didn't specify either way.

And incidentally I don't think OP was right to assume that his shields couldn't prevent a brain bubble.

so....no autoshields, as OP clearly doesn't think they're that 'auto'.

He IS very clear that he was using 'current' Hal, and was clear that he didn't count pre-reboot feats. My post here still stands, I think:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also just so people know: OP had clarified that none of Hal's pre-52 feats were allowed, for whatever reason. I think at this point JL#1 had just been released, lol (peep the light show!! Batman stealing his ring etc).

So we have:
An N52 Hal (yes yes I know Lanterns were the same blah blah but OP explicitly said no feats from pre52);
Sue willing to kill, with brain bubbles;
Sue entering this match with her shields up;
Sue entering this match cloaked; and
N52 Hal in character.

It's just such an uphill battle for Hal in this thread. That's without me bringing up Sue's feats.

If around 2011 we have feats from Hal, no pre-52, where he has autoshields and can stop brain bubbles, have at it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
so....no autoshields, as OP clearly doesn't think they're that 'auto'.
That wasn't OP making a stip about autoshields, it was OP making an argument about Hal.

Oh, I'm not saying they're part of the stips, I'm saying OP didn't factor them in

Honest question :

Can Sue bypass Hal's shields and create force bubbles inside them while they're up? If so, are there any feats supporting this?

I was under the impression that nothing can bypass a Green Lantern's shield without breaking through it first.

all i'm hearing is sue needs a bunch of questionable stips to possibly win this. i agree--she does.

Originally posted by leonidas
all i'm hearing is sue needs a bunch of questionable stips to possibly win this. i agree--she does.

I mean....you DID bump and resurrect the thread

Originally posted by h1a8
Honest question :

Can Sue bypass Hal's shields and create force bubbles inside them while they're up? If so, are there any feats supporting this?

I was under the impression that nothing can bypass a Green Lantern's shield without breaking through it first.

There aren't anyone analagous to Sue in DC that I know of, who would interact with GLs and aren't part of the Emotional Spectrum. Neares tI can think of is Hector Hammond, who routinely affects Hal with his telepathy, or maybe Manhunters who can just drain the rings? Interesting q, though. Maybe others can chime in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean....you DID bump and resurrect the thread

guilty

i didn't realize when i did it was full of stips

Doom has some of the best shields in comics, and this was before he got a Sorceror Supreme upgrade.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A good month for moi.

Susan Storm destroys Sorceror Supreme Doom's shields with her constructs, and she can bend/block all energy, enough for her to freeze in the middle of the Sun, if she wanted to, lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/234pNkw8/04.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5Q5DBg0F/05.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4HRrHqJg/24.jpg

And the FF movie isn't even out yet.

Finally a feat worthy of mid level feats for Hal.

Originally posted by Galan007
Definitely.

For example, Guy and Hal originally stated that Krona's Gauntlet had power equivalent to "a dozen" GL rings:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/43079415_1.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/43079417_Green_Lantern_2011-_050-023.jpg


The Gauntlet was SO powerful, in fact, that after it attained consciousness/sentience, it took Mogo, amped by the power of hundredS of Lanterns, just to destroy the Gauntlet's basic constructs:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/43079738_2_1.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/43079739_2_2.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/43079741_2_3.jpg



...Yet Hal(with his will-forged ring) was ultimately able to overpower the sentient Gauntlet, and destroy it:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/43079473_1_1.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/43079474_1_2.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/43079475_1_3.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/43079476_1_4.jpg


ie. Hal's ring >>> Krona's Gauntlet >>>>>>>> a standard GL ring. And mind you, what makes it that powerful is Hal's will.

That's not autoshield for Hal though.

He was taking on mogo's blast with auto force field first.