Thor VS Wolverine (With No Super Powers)

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wildernesss
Thor VS Wolverine (With No Super Powers)

No hammer/claws/metal skeleton. ALL of their power are completely turned OFF; this is a strictly h2h fight with no super powers whatsoever.











who wins?

MF DELPH
This is Logan's fight to lose. He has the skill, and sans powers he 'should' be able to dominate Thor.

zeel
logan is about 5,11 200 pounds

thor is about 7'5 and 700 pounds logan is dead meat

Gecko4lif
Logans got the skill advantage for sure but thor has the stat advantage and he is no slouch himself

Mindset
Thor would break his neck.

JakeTheBank
Thor would overpower that midget and beat the shit out of him.

Silent Master
Wolverine is too used to tanking damage in order get/make openings in a fight....that will end badly against someone with Thor's stat advantage.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Mindset
Thor would break his neck.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by zeel
logan is about 5,11 200 pounds

thor is about 7'5 and 700 pounds logan is dead meat wolverine's 5'3"

wildernesss
lolz at some of these comments.

-when logan was totally stripped of his powers by mister sinister, he continued to fight on while literally half skeletal with massive strips of skin melting off his whole body; all this, while simutaneously dealing with advanced adamantium poisoning which reduced all his now non-exsistant super stats to even LOWER levels. sinister was scared shitless when he
couldn't stop logan.

- when logan fought thor, his combat speed, reflexes, & quickness were leagues beyond thor. this disparity would remain intact regardless of them both being powerless

- logan has defeated shang-chi effortlessly. thor does not have a h2h feat to match this.

- purely bone claws wolverine would NOT be any stronger than a completely depowered logan. only stamina, healing, etc would be effected. YET, bone claws logan has grappled & beaten down Sabretooth in h2h fights....and Sabretooth is stronger than a Thor with no powers whatsoever.

try reading wolverine.

JakeTheBank
mmm

You make good points.

Originally posted by Mindset
Thor would break his neck.

cdtm
For those in the know:

Didn't Thor fight Cap once or twice using pure skill? While in his Donald Blake form, perhaps...?

And do quite well against him?

snowdragon
Originally posted by wildernesss


try reading wolverine.

Part of his regenerative healing gives him some enhanced stats.

I think wolverine was like 5 3 and what 198 or 200lbs without adamanatium

On that note Thor's physiology actually works against him here 7 5 and what 700 lbs is going to crush him without powers.

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
mmm

You make good points.


how about thor starts screaming in pain like he did when they fought last time?

JakeTheBank
Oh, when Logan used his claws that he doesn't have in this fight?

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
how about thor starts screaming in pain like he did when they fought last time? and just think, those were all GLANCING BLOWS. I mean if Wolvy had landed a straight Jab he would have pretty much cut Thor in two.

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, when Logan used his claws that he doesn't have in this fight?


no, when logan used his claws AND thor had his hammer. like he doesn't have in this fight. smile

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by wildernesss
no, when logan used his claws AND thor had his hammer. like he doesn't have in this fight. smile

Which is irrelevant to this conversation here. smile

wildernesss
Originally posted by snowdragon
Part of his regenerative healing gives him some enhanced stats.

I think wolverine was like 5 3 and what 198 or 200lbs without adamanatium

On that note Thor's physiology actually works against him here 7 5 and what 700 lbs is going to crush him without powers.


agreed. however, it's logan's enhanced stats combined with the adamantium skelton that gave him enhanced strength. without the adamantium, bone claws logan is not much stronger (if at all) than a trained logan with no powers.

snowdragon
Originally posted by wildernesss
agreed. however, it is logan's enhanced stats combined with the adamantium skelton that gave him enchanced strength. without the adamantium, bone claws logan is not much stronger (if at all) than a trained logan with no powers.

Right and the original bone claw logan was crazy feral with enhanced regen.

He doesn't have that at all this fight.

However that said weighing in at frickin 700lbs with no super powers Thor will practically beat himself, that's huge and kills stamina.

Logan wins due to crazy Thor's crazy double weight physiology.

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is irrelevant to this conversation here. smile


no it's not. it established thor's combative response when on relatively even terms with an opponent.


if anything, thor's hammer > logan's claws

Silent Master
Originally posted by snowdragon
Right and the original bone claw logan was crazy feral with enhanced regen.

He doesn't have that at all this fight.

However that said weighing in at frickin 700lbs with no super powers Thor will practically beat himself, that's huge and kills stamina.

Logan wins due to crazy Thor's crazy double weight physiology.

Not in comics it doesn't, see the Kingpin for an example.

JakeTheBank
It never seemed to be an issue before when Thor was depowered, either.

snowdragon
Yup just my opinion.

Because KP does it doesn't meant Thor can depowered, just my opinion.


Not in comics it doesn't, see the Kingpin for an example.

That is also the exception there are VERY few fat guys that display that agility and strength and stamina.

Silent Master
I see, it's a disadvantage because you want Wolverine to win.

wildernesss
regardless of whether or not a depowered thor would be a lumbering oaf
of a truck stuck on low gear chasing the flash.....his immense size would
become a disadvantage without a subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size.


sabretooth is way smaller than thor, but way stronger than a completely
depowered thor; yet bone claws logan has proven to be strong enough
to grapple & beat down sabretooth on multiple occassions; & a powerless logan would about as strong as bone claws logan.

snowdragon
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, it's a disadvantage because you want Wolverine to win.

Which is why I brought up both their weaknesses, nope not gunning for either aside from the fact 700lbs on a real human structure is fail , yea aside from kp who defies heart failure:P

Silent Master
Why wouldn't Thor have "subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size"

Originally posted by snowdragon
Which is why I brought up both their weaknesses, nope not gunning for either aside from the fact 700lbs on a real human structure is fail , yea aside from kp who defies heart failure:P

This is comics, not the real world...real world people don't have Thor's muscle and bone density.

JakeTheBank
He's still peak human in terms of strength, endurance, agility, and everything else.

Nothing shown in any comic where he's been depowered suggests he's not.

snowdragon
Originally posted by wildernesss
sabretooth is way smaller than thor, but way stronger than a completely
depowered thor; yet bone claws logan has proven to be strong enough
to grapple & beat down sabretooth with reasonably comparative strength......& a powerless logan would about as strong as bone claws logan.

And using fights with feral wolverine is also terrible.

Logan when he fought sabertooth had crazy regen and feral instincts not good for this disucssion.

snowdragon
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's still peak human in terms of strength, endurance, agility, and everything else.

Nothing shown in any comic where he's been depowered suggests he's not.

So how close is he to cap without powers> then decide where he stands with wolverine with no powers and (a HUGE crippling physiology stamina wise.)

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by snowdragon
So how close is he to cap without powers> then decide where he stands with wolverine with no powers and (a HUGE crippling physiology stamina wise.)

The thing is...this whole crippling physiology thing? It doesn't exist. Literally nothing in comics have shown or even alluded to that Thor without his powers suddenly can't support his body. And he's been depowered quite a bit.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why wouldn't Thor have "subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size"






he would, it's simply that when depowered, 6'6 640 lbs thor's strength is massively inferior to sabretooth's 6'6 270 lbs strength.

-Pr-
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor would overpower that midget and beat the shit out of him.

"Stop hitting thyself."

Rage.Of.Olympus
Is Thor depowered or mortal? You'd think it doesn't make a difference but to gods it does apparently.

A mortal Thor is basically peak human (Possibly on par with Captain America) while incredibly skilled. Depowered, he loses his godly strength but can still hit with devastating force. Probably like class 20 or so. I'd have to double check to be entirely sure.

snowdragon
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The thing is...this whole crippling physiology thing? It doesn't exist. Literally nothing in comics have shown or even alluded to that Thor without his powers suddenly can't support his body. And he's been depowered quite a bit.

Has something been shown he can take on a take ma and win then?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's body won't be collapse on itself or anything. That's stupid. He likely won't keep his original 700 pound weight either though. I doubt his bones remain several times denser than humans.

wildernesss
Originally posted by snowdragon
And using fights with feral wolverine is also terrible.

Logan when he fought sabertooth had crazy regen and feral instincts not good for this disucssion.



bone claws logan has beat victor creed into pulp without even using his regen. as for feral instincts, logan instrincts are highly trained, without or without his super powers. period.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by snowdragon
Has something been shown he can take on a take ma and win then?

You're better off arguing Logan's skill advantage is what beats Thor, not Thor's body being impossible for him to use effectively.

Captain America seems to be of the opinion that even without Mjolnir and his powers, Thor is still something impressive to behold.

Also this idea that Sabretooth is much stronger than Thor depowered makes no sense.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
bone claws logan has beat victor creed into pulp without even using his regen. as for feral instincts, logan instrincts are highly trained, without or without his super powers. period.
Why are you referencing bone claw Wolverine in this thread?

wildernesss
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is Thor depowered or mortal? You'd think it doesn't make a difference but to gods it does apparently.

A mortal Thor is basically peak human (Possibly on par with Captain America) while incredibly skilled. Depowered, he loses his godly strength but can still hit with devastating force. Probably like class 20 or so. I'd have to double check to be entirely sure.


no, no, no. for this fight, completely depowered means just that. there's no class 20 punches here. this is thor as a mortal.

Damborgson
Originally posted by -Pr-
"Stop hitting thyself." Shakespearean language doesnt fit Thor anymore. These days he says "stop hitting yourself you pain in the ass"

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
no, no, no. for this fight, completely depowered means just that. there's no class 20 punches here. this is thor as a mortal.
Then I'm even more curious as to why you referenced bone claw Wolverine.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why are you referencing bone claw Wolverine in this thread?


because bone claws logan is not much (if at all) stronger than a powerless, yet trained, logan. yet, bone claws logan has smashed
sabretooth down using strictly h2h, no claws, while taking barely any damage.

that kind of grappling requires strength on a comparative level to a FULLY powered sabretooth. a depowered mortal thor is not as strong as sabretooth.

snowdragon
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're better off arguing Logan's skill advantage is what beats Thor, not Thor's body being impossible for him to use effectively.

Captain America seems to be of the opinion that even without Mjolnir and his powers, Thor is still something impressive to behold.

Also this idea that Sabretooth is much stronger than Thor depowered makes no sense.

With zero powers I don't see Thor winning, Wolverine has to many showings to counter a "human" type thor winning.

snowdragon
Originally posted by wildernesss
because bone claws logan is not much (if at all) stronger than a powerless, yet trained, logan. yet, bone claws logan has smashed
sabretooth down using strictly h2h, no claws, while taking barely any damage.

Stop using Bone claw, he has CRAZY regen he isn't applicable to this.

Silent Master
Originally posted by wildernesss
because bone claws logan is not much (if at all) stronger than a powerless, yet trained, logan. yet, bone claws logan has smashed
sabretooth down using strictly h2h, no claws, while taking barely any damage.

that kind of grappling requires strength on a comparative level to a FULLY powered sabretooth. a depowered mortal thor is not as strong as sabretooth.

Just how strong do you think powerless Wolverine is?

wildernesss
Originally posted by snowdragon
Stop using Bone claw, he has CRAZY regen he isn't applicable to this.

try reading my post; bone claws logan didn't even USE his regen when beating sabretooth down on occassion......using strictly h2h. no claws.

snowdragon
Originally posted by wildernesss
try reading my post; logan didn't even USE his regen when beating
sabretooth down on occassion......using strictly h2h. no claws.

You do know his regen is passive.

Mostly Sabertooth wins lets agree to find something different to create cohesion here cuz beindg "feral" in a fight isn't going to happen.

JakeTheBank
He can't choose to use regen or not. That's the whole point.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
because bone claws logan is not much (if at all) stronger than a powerless, yet trained, logan. yet, bone claws logan has smashed
sabretooth down using strictly h2h, no claws, while taking barely any damage.

Even Wolverine's non Adamantium bones are more durable than regular humans and he has a healing factor (Had a huge boost at the time) which reinforces some of his physical stats including his strength. Extreme strain without injury and all that.

I even remember him lifting a car and owning a grizzly bear in a fist fight during the bone claw period. Comparing him to a regular human in strength is pretty ridiculous imo.

Logan walking around with an extra 100 pounds on him constantly alone should give you a clue.

srankmissingnin
Wolverine strength and speed aren't technically a super power, but merely a byproduct his healing factor's ability to instantly repair muscle damage, so his muscles heal stronger and harder then before. Disabling his healing factor won't decrease his strength or his speed instantly, but over time his body would slowly regulate itself back to a more reasonable level to do muscle atrophy and it being impossible for someone without a healing factor to maintain that physic. That being said I assume both of them are nurfed to peak human for the sake of the thread.

Wolverine wins. Easily. Duh.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just how strong do you think powerless Wolverine is?


undetermined, but very, very, very high. somewhere around Batman's peak strength feats or beyond.

logan, with NO powers whatsoever was able to stay conscious while literally a near walking skeleton with most of his skin melted off; AND with advanced adamantium poisoning. all the while mr sinister was blasting him & logan wouldn't stop. this is one of his best non-powered feats, but by no means the only one. this suggests that logan's "strength" goes beyond the physical & that there is a spiritual or metaphysical component that exsists beyond his mere powers.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by wildernesss
undetermined, but very, very, very high. somewhere around Batman's peak strength feats or beyond.

logan, with NO powers whatsoever was able to stay conscious while literally a near walking skeleton with most of his skin melted off; AND with advanced adamantium poisoning. all the while mr sinister was blasting him & logan wouldn't stop. this is one of his best non-powered feats, but by no means the only one. this suggests that logan's "strength" goes beyond the physical & that there is a spiritual or metaphysical component that exsists beyond his mere powers.

Even with his powers gone and a debilitating heart condition in Age of X Logan was able to fight all blasted up and full of shrapnel. He's got heart and he is too legit to quit.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol @ bringing metaphysical/spiritual in a thread with Thor.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol @ bringing metaphysical/spiritual in a thread with Thor.

Wolverine is more of a god than Thor is.

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even with his powers gone and a debilitating heart condition in Age of X Logan was able to fight all blasted up and full of shrapnel. He's got heart and he is too legit to quit.

Age of X is canon?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Age of X is canon?

Yes. Did you not see how it ended?

snowdragon
I suppose the question is does anyone think Thor is above Wolverine in a straight up street match, nothing else.

Fist to fist no powers?

wildernesss
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol @ bringing metaphysical/spiritual in a thread with Thor.


immortal logan gets a free pass from death courtesy of jean grey & the phoenix force; only after fighting the angel of death, who he never lost to.

thor who?

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes. Did you not see how it ended?

Didn't read it at all, what establishes it as canon?

Mindset
Nothing.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wolverine is more of a god than Thor is.

He is. cool

Even on Mount Olympus dey scured of Wolverine.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/h-22.jpg

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
immortal logan gets a free pass from death courtesy of jean grey & the phoenix force; only after fighting & defeating the angel of death who he never lost to.

thor who?

baka

Thor punches death in the face, comes to back to life after beating up a cosmic God, and pokes his way out of a reality all before breakfast.

Logan can keep hiding behind Jean's skirt.

TheTyrant
Wolverine.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't read it at all, what establishes it as canon?

At the end of New Mutants 24 Legion absorbs the Moria persona back into his self and reverts reality back to the 616 status quo. Everyone is in the same pose / position they were in Age of X only back on Utopia now with memories of their lives form both realities. Some characters chose to get their memories of Age of X wiped (Storm), but most didn't.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
baka

Thor punches death in the face, comes to back to life after beating up a cosmic God, and pokes his way out of a reality all before breakfast.

Logan can keep hiding behind Jean's skirt.


yes, and Thor also screams in pain like a pro when he fights logan.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
yes, and Thor also screams in pain like a pro when he fights logan.

Concession accepted.

Logan will be too dead to do any screaming in a fight against Thor.

Oh, and Thor wins. He punches Logan's head off with his incredibly strength.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Concession accepted.

Logan will be too dead to do any screaming in a fight against Thor.

Oh, and Thor wins. He punches Logan's head off with his incredibly strength.


lolz

snowdragon
Thor in this particular battle loses hard, nothing supports him beating wolverine in this setting.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Mindset
Nothing.

Why am I not surprised?

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is Thor depowered or mortal? You'd think it doesn't make a difference but to gods it does apparently.

A mortal Thor is basically peak human (Possibly on par with Captain America) while incredibly skilled. Depowered, he loses his godly strength but can still hit with devastating force. Probably like class 20 or so. I'd have to double check to be entirely sure.

This. A de-powered Thor went toe to toe with the wrecker.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why am I not surprised?

Congrats, you just got trolled by Mindset.

Read my post (or better yet read the comic, you are posting on a comic forum after all). Age of X is canon. Hell, when Legion reshaped reality some of the X-Men still only remembered their Age of X lives with a few vague recollection of Utopia and needed Pro X's help restoring their original memories.

wildernesss
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
This. A de-powered Thor went toe to toe with the wrecker.


that's nice. too bad this thread is about a completely, totally, utterly, depowered mortal thor.

out of curiosity, how did that "sort of depowered" thor PIS feat turn out?

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by wildernesss
that's nice. too bad this thread is about a completely, totally, utterly, depowered mortal thor.

out of curiosity, how did that "sort of depowered" thor PIS feat turn out?

How is it PIS when Thor has been afflicted with various levels of depowerment?

Like Rage said, he's been turned into a mortal, stripped of Mjolnir and his godly powers but still far beyond human, his strength cut in half, etc.

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is it PIS when Thor has been afflicted with various levels of depowerment?

Like Rage said, he's been turned into a mortal, stripped of Mjolnir and his godly powers but still far beyond human, his strength cut in half, etc.



"various levels of depowerment" or "sort of depowered" does not equal completely & utterly depowered mortal thor; since that's the thor were talking about in this thread, I can only conclude that's the type of thor he claims fought the wrecker toe to toe; which would be PIS in fine form.

abhilegend
LOL @ this thread. Wolverine fans wants him to defeat everyone, what's the point to depower someone like wolverine and someone like Thor. You want to say a depowered (how much power he actually weilds??) logan can defeat a mortal Thor, then congrats he can. Now run along and watch his fight with cyclops. Come back to thor when you can (finally, after years!!!) convince us that wolvie can take majority against Spidey.

Diesldude
This is like Kevin Nash in his prime vs Rey Mysterio LOL

Thor murders him.

cdtm
Thor has mortal stats for this fight, but comic book mortal.

Which should probably mean peak human. What, you don't think Thor would have Perry White's stats, do you?

snowdragon
Originally posted by abhilegend
LOL @ this thread. Wolverine fans wants him to defeat everyone, what's the point to depower someone like wolverine and someone like Thor. You want to say a depowered (how much power he actually weilds??) logan can defeat a mortal Thor, then congrats he can. Now run along and watch his fight with cyclops. Come back to thor when you can (finally, after years!!!) convince us that wolvie can take majority against Spidey.

I can buy that, this thread pretty was throw thor under the bus.

Now there is this times /bruce(batman.)



Really with Thor's experience he should own all mortals but it just doesn't show that way with "skill."

peejayd
* Logan may have several years or even decades of experience in combat... but it's practically nothing when it will be compared to Thor's eons of combat experience... Thor takes this... smile

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* Logan may have several years or even decades of experience in combat... but it's practically nothing when it will be compared to Thor's eons of combat experience... Thor takes this... smile
your kidding me right? Wolverine feats put him on completely a different level in terms of skill.............

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by wildernesss
that's nice. too bad this thread is about a completely, totally, utterly, depowered mortal thor.

out of curiosity, how did that "sort of depowered" thor PIS feat turn out?

and wolverine is also a completely totallym utterly, depowred mortal logan. no enhanced speed, agility, hearing, smell etc.

He's just a 5'2" little man going up against a 6'6" huge ass man.

logan loses, badly. end story.

wildernesss
Originally posted by peejayd
* Logan may have several years or even decades of experience in combat... but it's practically nothing when it will be compared to Thor's eons of combat experience... Thor takes this... smile


lol, you're kidding right? for all of thor's much vaunted eons of combat experience, his actual on panel course of action 99% of the time is to smash his opponent with his hammer or brawl in a crude & incredibly simplistice manner; when that fails, he often relies on his hammer's more esoteric abilities. he hardly ever, ever demonstrates any kind of advanced fighting or ma skills outside of rare sparring panels which aren't reflected by his current combative behaviour whatsoever; if anything, those skills would rationally atrophy since their almost never applied to actual combat.

wildernesss
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and wolverine is also a completely totallym utterly, depowred mortal logan. no enhanced speed, agility, hearing, smell etc.

He's just a 5'2" little man going up against a 6'6" huge ass man.

logan loses, badly. end story.



end story? your story is Fail.


did you even read what a totally depowered & adamantium poisoned logan was able to do against mr sinister? does mortal thor have any feat that even comes close to this? No. do you realize that logan (with or without his powers) is one of the best (if not THE best) MA fighters in the MU? do you realize that bone claws logan & a momentarily (for this fight)
depowered logan would have the same strength levels? that means enough strength to grapple & beat down a fully powered sabretooth without using his claws & without taking any damage. fully powered victor creed would totally own a fully mortal thor in terms of strength.

jalek moye
So what you mean to say is. Wolverine (with all his super speed, strength, and senses) vs Thor in the body of a regular big guy?

JakeTheBank
Lol.

People really want Logan to beat Thor, huh? I don't even know what number this Thor vs. Wolverine thread is.

wildernesss
Originally posted by jalek moye
So what you mean to say is. Wolverine (with all his super speed, strength, and senses) vs Thor in the body of a regular big guy?

lolz. did you even bother to read my previous post?

logan's fighting skills, depowered pain threshold/damage soak (against guys like mister sinister) would remain intact regardless of being depowered. thor was screaming in pain when he fought logan...which doesn't speak well to his pain threshold verses the aforementioned logan feat. logan's strength would also remain close to (if not somewhat diminished) to the levels he had when he grappled with sabretooth with no metal skeleton.

Frank castle (who is obviously without any powers whatsoever) regularly grapples & fights with a fully powered, adamantium wolverine. often fighting logan to a stalemate using h2h alone. a logan who has defeated the grey hulk & owned sabretooth in h2h. the power/strength disparity between frank castle & a fully powered adamantium wolverine is greater than the strength/power disparity between a depowered logan & thor. wolverine is way stronger than frank. has frank lifted a car over his head? no. yet, the frank castle feats against logan seems to be more acceptable? why? why is it so hard to beleive that skill & pain threshold combined with sufficient strength can give a depowered logan the edge over a depowered thor? in the somewhat similar way frank castle is able to contend with a fully powered adamantium logan. albeit only to a stalemate.

cdtm
Wow, Logan struggles with Punisher h2h? Danny Rand, Castle ain't, or even Daredevil.

Thor stomps.

wildernesss
Originally posted by cdtm
Wow, Logan struggles with Punisher h2h? Danny Rand, Castle ain't, or even Daredevil.

Thor stomps.


wtf. lolz...........

punisher routintely fights matt murdock to a standstill even more often than he does logan. he also &%*% daredevil up along the course of those fights & comes within an inch of winning.

he's only fought logan purely h2h 2 or 3 times, & couldn't even inflict minor damage on logan. logan usually ends up pinning frank down & telling him to give it a rest. it's a very loose "stalemate". logan could end it with his claws. fortunately for frank, it's h2h alone.

Silent Master
Thor wins, Wolverine is too used to tanking damage in fights, which he can't do here.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by wildernesss
logan's fighting skills, depowered pain threshold/damage soak (against guys like mister sinister) would remain intact regardless of being depowered. thor was screaming in pain when he fought logan...which doesn't speak well to his pain threshold verses the aforementioned logan feat.

Logan cried out in pain when -insert character- punched him in the face. Thor had his entire skeletal system turned brittle, eventually most of his bones shattered, and he walked around in constant agony. This doesn't speak very well for Logan's pain threshold.

How can you honestly think that this line of reasoning would stand up to any scrutiny?

Originally posted by wildernesss
end story? your story is Fail.


did you even read what a totally depowered & adamantium poisoned logan was able to do against mr sinister? does mortal thor have any feat that even comes close to this? No. do you realize that logan (with or without his powers) is one of the best (if not THE best) MA fighters in the MU? do you realize that bone claws logan & a momentarily (for this fight)
depowered logan would have the same strength levels? that means enough strength to grapple & beat down a fully powered sabretooth without using his claws & without taking any damage. fully powered victor creed would totally own a fully mortal thor in terms of strength.

Logan has the same strength level as here as he did as Bone Claw? He clearly had beyond human level stats.

Lawlz, is it really that important to you for people to give Logan the win? Does it give you a funny feeling in the no-no place?

If you want to restrict the characters, make it fair, otherwise I'm referencing all of Thor's feats when depowered, completely mortal or not. And no, I don't give a shit that you're the thread starter.

Silent Master
Without any powers....shouldn't Logan only have the strength of someone his size that trains a lot?

DarkSaint85
It'll be worse.

His muscles would be so used to having the healing factor take care of the lactic acid, that hell try to jump around Thor...then start panting with exhaustion.

Without his agility, speed and strength, he's nerfed much more than Thor is in hth.

snowdragon
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It'll be worse.

His muscles would be so used to having the healing factor take care of the lactic acid, that hell try to jump around Thor...then start panting with exhaustion.

Without his agility, speed and strength, he's nerfed much more than Thor is in hth.

Hardly, THor with zero powers would have a much harder time with fatigue based on his size then wolverine would with no healing factor.

CosmicComet
No powers?

Wolverine would gas from a huge like Thor grappling with him.

Blight
Is this a bait thread?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No powers?

Wolverine would gas from a huge like Thor grappling with him.

If Thor grappled with Wolverine he'd get taken down and subbed or gnp pretty quickly. He just isn't skilled enough to be competitive, and honestly the way Wolverine is drawn half the time like he is a 5'3 mini Hulk there probably isn't a significant weight difference between the two in the first place.

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Thor grappled with Wolverine he'd get taken down and subbed or gnp pretty quickly. He just isn't skilled enough to be competitive, and honestly the way Wolverine is drawn half the time like he is a 5'3 mini Hulk there probably isn't a significant weight difference between the two in the first place.

IIRC, w/o Adamantium, Wolverine weighs around 195....Thor weighs around 640.

That is a 445lb difference.

roughrider
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor would overpower that midget and beat the shit out of him.

QFT.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
IIRC, w/o Adamantium, Wolverine weighs around 195....Thor weighs around 640.

That is a 445lb difference.

That is the old handbook weight of classic Wolverine from when he was 5'6 and svelte. Now he is a 5'3 mini Hulk with biceps the size of his waist.

Thor weighs 640 because of his muscle density, if he was depowered he would lose that as well and be baseline human. At 6'6 built the way he is we are looking at something around 265-300lbs.

Blight
I think it should be taken with a grain of salt during the times Wolverine is stated to be "depowered".

CosmicComet
Without adamantium, wolverine weighs, what, 200 lbs?

at 5'3", 200 lbs is extraordinarily heavy. He won't carry the weight well, he will be slow as shit, and he'll gas quicker than a 6'7" ~330 lb Thor--which is not a bad weight for a guy that big.

It would be vaguely like Brock Lesnar vs an extremely bloated Demetrius Johnson. And the skill difference is comparable too, as well as the size. Brock would not lose, and neither would Thor.

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is the old handbook weight of classic Wolverine from when he was 5'6 and svelte. Now he is a 5'3 mini Hulk with biceps the size of his waist.

Thor weighs 640 because of his muscle density, if he was depowered he would lose that as well and be baseline human. At 6'6 built the way he is we are looking at something around 265-300lbs.

If handbook info can't be used for Wolverine, then you can't use handbook info against Thor, that leaves us with Thor being drawn substantially larger and more muscular then Logan.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
If handbook info can't be used for Wolverine, then you can't use handbook info against Thor, that leaves us with Thor being drawn substantially larger and more muscular then Logan.

I have been ignoring the handbook data for Thor, it's irrelevant to this thread since he is powerless and therefor no longer has the added muscle density that increases his weight. All we can do is estimate his weight based on his body type and height, which would place him some where around 265 - 300 lbs. Wolverine based on his body type and height is some where around 220 - 245 lbs.

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I have been ignoring the handbook data for Thor, it's irrelevant to this thread since he is powerless and therefor no longer has the added muscle density that increases his weight. All we can do is estimate his weight based on his body type and height, which would place him some where around 265 - 300 lbs. Wolverine based on his body type and height is some where around 220 - 245 lbs.

Thor is drawn much taller and larger than Logan, there is no way he only outweighs Logan by 45-55lbs.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Without adamantium, wolverine weighs, what, 200 lbs?

at 5'3", 200 lbs is extraordinarily heavy. He won't carry the weight well, he will be slow as shit, and he'll gas quicker than a 6'7" ~330 lb Thor--which is not a bad weight for a guy that big.

It would be vaguely like Brock Lesnar vs an extremely bloated Demetrius Johnson. And the skill difference is comparable too, as well as the size. Brock would not lose, and neither would Thor.

It be more like if you took Brock Lesnar's insane gorilla body and compressed him down in 5'3 frame and had him fight Forrest Griffin. Wolverine is a big, big dude, he just isn't tall.

Wolverine's depiction varies greatly from artist to artist (maybe more than any character) sometimes he looks like 6'2 probably around 220lbs movie Wolverine, sometimes he is 5'3 but just jacked, and sometimes he is somewhere in the middle.

CosmicComet
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/w_3d/wolverine.gif

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13925/300968-60853-thor_super.gif

There's a foot and some change height difference between the two, and even build wise, they are fairly comparable with the same artstyle.

At equal heights they would weigh close to the same if humanized.

A 6'6" wolverine would weigh ~1.9 times heavier than a 5'3" wolverine, assuming identical build, so yeah, there is going to be a HUGE weight difference between Thor and Wolverine.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor is drawn much taller and larger than Logan, there is no way he only outweighs Logan by 45-55lbs.

He is drawn much taller than Logan, he isn't drawn much larger. Thor is drawn like Captain America a few inches taller. Wolverine is drawn like the Hulk a few feet shorter. Wolverine is jacked man.

Blight
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is drawn much taller than Logan, he isn't drawn much larger. Thor is drawn like Captain America a few inches taller. Wolverine is drawn like the Hulk a few feet shorter. Wolverine is jacked man.
Where is this hulk Wolverine you're talking about?

The only one I remember being hulk like was Adam Kubert drawing the feral Wolverine.

Silent Master
Wrong, Thor is drawn both taller and larger.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by CosmicComet
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/w_3d/wolverine.gif

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13925/300968-60853-thor_super.gif

There's a foot and some change height difference between the two, and even build wise, they are fairly comparable with the same artstyle.

At equal heights they would weigh close to the same if humanized.

A 6'6" wolverine would weigh ~1.9 times heavier than a 5'3" wolverine, assuming identical build, so yeah, there is going to be a HUGE weight difference between Thor and Wolverine.

That is the classic Wolverine handbook character sheets we were already talking about, its not indicative of current incarnation of the character. Just look at the differences in body type of Wolverine and Thor when they are drawn by Bachalo, Bradshaw, Madureira, Ramos, or McGuinness. Wolverine has the same frame as the Hulk in a smaller package. Thor as the same frame of Superman.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Blight
Where is this hulk Wolverine you're talking about?

The only one I remember being hulk like was Adam Kubert drawing the feral Wolverine.

Kubert and Garney draw a more reasonably proportioned Wolverine, but even he is stockier than they typical Thor. Any Wolverine drawn by Bachalo, Bradshaw, Madureira, Ramos, or McGuinness.

Blight
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Kubert and Garney draw a more reasonably proportioned Wolverine, but even he is stockier than they typical Thor. Any Wolverine drawn by Bachalo, Bradshaw, Madureira, Ramos, or McGuinness.
Ohhhh forgot about Bachalo. Love that artist.

roughrider
Did the threadmaker really know what they were getting into with this thread? No powers means no powers.

So it's Logan - 5"3, around 300 lbs. & a century of fighting experience - versus Thor - 6"6, 640 lbs. and thousands of years of fighting experience.

How long does Wolverine keep fighting without a healing factor? He's not used to it.

Thor wins.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by roughrider
Did the threadmaker really know what they were getting into with this thread? No powers means no powers.

So it's Logan - 5"3, around 300 lbs. & a century of fighting experience - versus Thor - 6"6, 640 lbs. and thousands of years of fighting experience.

How long does Wolverine keep fighting without a healing factor? He's not used to it.

Thor wins.

Seeing as he has complete memories of Age of X and HoM, Wolverine technically has 3 centuries of fight experience. Plus an unspecified amount of time travel for LL&l. Plus he was stranded in another dimension for an unspecified amount of time that was long enough to become their messiah and be worshiped as a god. Plus he was trained for decades by Ogun who through mystical means can impart a life time of training in minutes. Plus he is the constantly reincarnating version of an ancient warrior known as the the left hand of god.

Even if experience mattered in comics, Thor doesn't have enough of it to compete with Wolverine. And sans healing factor Wolverine has still taken blasts from Sinister and kept coming, and fought through bullet wounds and being impaled on steel rebar. He is much, much, much, MUCH, more skilled than Thor and has better damage soak. Thor has no chance of winning.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Blight
Ohhhh forgot about Bachalo. Love that artist.

Also Sam Kieth and Art Adams draw a jacked Hulk Wolverine.

Silent Master
I love this, Wolverine fans can't even admit that Thor is drawn larger and taller.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
I love this, Wolverine fans can't even admit that Thor is drawn larger and taller.

Because he isn't, I don't blame you for not know that though, you don't even read major X events so I can scarcely imagine how limited you Wolverine and X-Men knowledge must be.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Silent Master
I love this, Wolverine fans can't even admit that Thor is drawn larger and taller.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he isn't, I don't blame you for not know that though, you don't even read major X events so I can scarcely imagine how limited you Wolverine and X-Men knowledge must be.

See what I mean?

roughrider
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he isn't, I don't blame you for not know that though, you don't even read major X events so I can scarcely imagine how limited you Wolverine and X-Men knowledge must be.

srankmissingnin
Do you get your comics transcribed in braille? If you had any sight what-so-ever it is pretty plain to see I'm right. I even provided a list of artists you can google and confirm yourself at your leisure.

Wait... I forgot... its not that you get your comics in braille, its that you don't even read comics to begin with. So sad.

Silent Master
Originally posted by roughrider


Next, they'll be arguing that Wolverine is greener than the Hulk and has whiter hair than Storm.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Next, they'll be arguing that Wolverine is greener than the Hulk and has whiter hair than Storm.

I've cited half a dozen artists that prove my point, and I can cite a half dozen more if needed. What have you done? Nothing. Why? Because there is nothing you can do to dispute my claim, so you've decided to ignore everything I say and pretend like your sad opinion cares any weight. You are aware you aren't obligated to post, right? If you can't think of any counter points or have nothing to offer because of your general lack of knowledge you can simply choose not to respond. Heck, you could spend that time reading comics, then in the future in a situation like this you would have something to contribute. But if that is too much of a change for you, then you can just take baby steps. Here is a tip! Try googling the character names, maybe pm some people and see if they can help you learn about them. There are lots of options for someone like you.

Silent Master
Why don't you post some actual comic scans of each.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why don't you post some actual comic scans of each.

You can't even be bothered to come up with some names to support your claim and you want me to go even farther and dig up scans for you? How much hand holding do you need? I gave you a half a dozen names, open a new f@cking tap and do a Google search. Christ. You're as lazy as your arguments.

DarkSaint85
Why is he called 'runt' if he's not shorter?

Silent Master
So I was right, you can't post any proof.

roughrider
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I've cited half a dozen artists that prove my point, and I can cite a half dozen more if needed. What have you done? Nothing. Why? Because there is nothing you can do to dispute my claim, so you've decided to ignore everything I say and pretend like your sad opinion cares any weight. You are aware you aren't obligated to post, right? If you can't think of any counter points or have nothing to offer because of your general lack of knowledge you can simply choose not to respond. Heck, you could spend that time reading comics, then in the future in a situation like this you would have something to contribute. But if that is too much of a change for you, then you can just take baby steps. Here is a tip! Try googling the character names, maybe pm some people and see if they can help you learn about them. There are lots of options for someone like you.

You post a single scan showing Wolverine stands roughly the same height as Thor, and I will stop smirking at you over here. This isn't a case like the Hulk, who is often drawn to exaggerate his already great size, so therefore handbook stats must be thrown out the window.

Sabretooth isn't much shorter than Thor. Tell me, in all the times Logan has faced off against Creed, did they ever once looked to be approximately the same size or height? I have never seen it. Yet you are making the case Wolverine is nearly as big as Thor - while in the X-Men he's still shorter than Cyclops.

Well...?

Ultimate Wang
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Blight
Originally posted by roughrider
You post a single scan showing Wolverine stands roughly the same height as Thor, and I will stop smirking at you over here. This isn't a case like the Hulk, who is often drawn to exaggerate his already great size, so therefore handbook stats must be thrown out the window.

Sabretooth isn't much shorter than Thor. Tell me, in all the times Logan has faced off against Creed, did they ever once looked to be approximately the same size or height? I have never seen it. Yet you are making the case Wolverine is nearly as big as Thor - while in the X-Men he's still shorter than Cyclops.

Well...?
I don't think he's arguing height, dude.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Blight
I don't think he's arguing height, dude.

Actually, the crazy thing is, I think he is...

srankmissingnin
No one is talking about height... confused

Wolverine is more than a foot shorter than Thor. He just has a bigger, more muscular build. How about some reading comprehension gentlemen?

Blight
I comprehended it! mad

Silent Master
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No one is talking about height... confused

Wolverine is more than a foot shorter than Thor. He just has a bigger, more muscular build. How about some reading comprehension gentlemen?

Posty some scans.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Blight
I comprehended it! mad

I know you did. You're all smart and stuff.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he isn't, I don't blame you for not know that though, you don't even read major X events so I can scarcely imagine how limited you Wolverine and X-Men knowledge must be.

Then what was all this about, that he isn't drawn shorter and smaller?

DarkSaint85
Btw, I don't think we should use artists rendering of physical attributes, especially muscle growth, as a guide. Otherwise, we could argue Logan kicks Thor to death with his sharp Llefeld spade feet...

roughrider
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No one is talking about height... confused

Wolverine is more than a foot shorter than Thor. He just has a bigger, more muscular build. How about some reading comprehension gentlemen?

Wrong. Again.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Btw, I don't think we should use artists rendering of physical attributes, especially muscle growth, as a guide. Otherwise, we could argue Logan kicks Thor to death with his sharp Llefeld spade feet...

That's all we have to go on though. Wolverine is generally drawn with a more muscular frame than Thor.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by roughrider
Wrong. Again.

Do you have as much trouble interpreting art as you do reading? Because that might explain why you can't see the obvious fact that Wolverine has a thicker build than Thor.

Silent Master
Again, post the scans of both characters that prove your claim.

roughrider
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Also Sam Kieth and Art Adams draw a jacked Hulk Wolverine.

Nuff' said.

Sundipped
Originally posted by wildernesss
Thor VS Wolverine (With No Super Powers)
ALL of their power are completely turned OFF; this is a strictly h2h fight with no super powers whatsoever.

Emphasis on the word completely.
Under these conditions Logan wins.

Some people may call this spite and say that wilderness is purposely shitting on Thor. I actually thought it was going to be a good fight considering Thor having trained for eons but what killed it, as someone pointed out, is the fact that Logan really has shown actual skill on panel compared to Thors knockdown dragout brawls. Going by what generally occurs on panel, Wolvie shouldn't lose.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by roughrider
Nuff' said.

Lets take a step back here guys, this picture made me realise how homoerotic this thread is gonna get lol.

roughrider
If you think a depowered Thor wouldn't be any different than when Wolverine used to brawl with big thugs in Madridpoor like Roughhouse..Wolverine was still fighting h2h with his healing factor, and still barely won.

roughrider
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lets take a step back here guys, this picture made me realise how homoerotic this thread is gonna get lol.

Well, if he posts Woverine in a speedo, this is gonna get ugly. stick out tongue

DarkSaint85
Why do you guys think there are weight classes in every martial art? Sure, Logan may be more skilled...but Thor has the weight and height advantage here. Speed? Maybe, maybe not, I'm assuming they're both transplanted into the 'real' world where a lot of the crazy martial arts moves that gets shown in comics is useless in a dirty bar brawl type fight...which is where Thor holds the cards.

roughrider
I will say that if Logan was the same height as say, Colossus, then you could make a claim his muscled build is even thicker than Peter's, sure.

Thor? No.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by roughrider
Nuff' said.

lol

I'm not posting the pic of Wolverine grilling sausages on the beach, you can't bait me into it! I just wont do it!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/2007/june/xmen200bachalo.jpg

Dudes arms are as thick as his waist. Wolverine is more jacked than Thor.

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