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Is there any being larger than Pre-Retcon Beyonder or Primal Monitor?

If you take the statements at face value, no.

Beyonder was 20 million times greater than the MU, supposedly. But that doesn't hold a candle to...

The Primal Monitor, to whom the DCU was a germ. We're talking numbers well beyond trillions of times greater, at this point.

The Beyond realm was related to "an ocean", and the entire Marvel multiverse was related to "a drop of water" in comparison. Same coin, the Primal Monitor recognized the entire DC multiverse as "a germ" in comparison to itself.

It is nearly impossible to say which of those two is more vast (though I'd lean toward to PM myself.) However, it is logical to conclude that absolutely nothing would qualify as 'larger'.

No I wouldn't think so, Grant Morrison described the Primal Monitor was/is God/The Presence and also called it Kirby's "Source". Out of the 2 I'd wager the PM is bigger also.

The Blob. He's pretty fat, you know.

Originally posted by Galan007

The Beyond realm was related to "an ocean",
and the entire Marvel multiverse was related to "a drop of water" in comparison.

Same coin,
the Primal Monitor recognized the entire DC multiverse as "a germ" in comparison to itself.

It is nearly impossible to say which of those two is more vast

However, it is logical to conclude that absolutely nothing would qualify as 'larger'.


Originally posted by kevdude

No I wouldn't think so,

Grant Morrison described the Primal Monitor was/is God/The Presence
and also called it Kirby's "Source".
But Kev, Shooter placed Beyonder on an equally "heavenly" scale.


Jim Shooter described the Beyonder

(Writer/Creator of Beyonder/SSW-I & II and Editor in-Chief of Marvel)

(reference: Marvel Age #52)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1799763_jim2mj1.jpg

Jim states:


1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)


.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

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You know, I've thought this before, but on the strength of descriptions Kev,
if TOAA was a character in play at the time, TOAA which should be = to the Presence, (I disagree)
then TOAA was < Beyonder according to Shooter.

He didn't say that exactly but blatantly implied it in this interview.

Originally posted by kevdude

Out of the 2 I'd wager the PM is bigger also.
I disagree, I'd put them as equals ... period.

Originally posted by Mr Master



But Kev, Shooter placed Beyonder on an equally "heavenly" scale.


Jim Shooter described the Beyonder

(Writer/Creator of Beyonder/SSW-I & II and Editor in-Chief of Marvel)

(reference: Marvel Age #52)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1799763_jim2mj1.jpg

Jim states:


1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)


.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

-------------------------------------------------

You know, I've thought this before, but on the strength of descriptions Kev,
if TOAA was a character in play at the time, TOAA which should be = to the Presence, (I disagree)
then TOAA was < Beyonder according to Shooter.

He didn't say that exactly but blatantly implied it in this interview.


I disagree, I'd put them as equals ... period.


Was The Beyonder ever more powerful than the Living Tribunal? I used to think so during the Secret Wars, but then Marvel turned around, and said that he was a lesser omnipotent. Can you or anyone explain this?

Originally posted by Stoic
Was The Beyonder ever more powerful than the Living Tribunal? I used to think so during the Secret Wars, but then Marvel turned around, and said that he was a lesser omnipotent. Can you or anyone explain this?

PR Beyonder was more powerful than whole Marvel Omniverse, look at the respect thread.