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The series will involve the writers that Marvel has deemed their "architects" -- Matt Fraction, Jason Aaron, Ed Brubaker, Brian Michael Bendis and Jonathan Hickman.

The series will be 12-issues and bi-weekly, launching in March with a special #0 prologue issue. The writers will be alternating issues, while the series will be drawn in four-issue arcs by John Romita Jr., Olivier Coipel and Adam Kubert.

"It's interesting to see each guy bringing his best to the table," Aaron told USA Today. "You don't want to be the weak link who lets the team down. Each issue, every guy's trying to throw down the gauntlet and one-up the guy who came before him."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1323192852.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1323196369.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35774

Wow, I wasn't expecting this. Kinda disappointing, but at least we'll get a big fight.

Why do they continue to exclude Gillen, one of their best writers and the current Uncanny writer

At least Coipel will make it pretty

They both get trashed by the Fantastic Four.


The end.

WTF.

The avengers have absolutely no business giving Cyclops' X-team any trouble, much less Wolverine's team in addition.

Isn't wolverine a part of the avengers and X-men?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
WTF.

The avengers have absolutely no business giving Cyclops' X-team any trouble, much less Wolverine's team in addition.

Looks like Logan's attacking Emma. Allegiances will be murky, no doubt.

Still, Magneto, Juggernaut...Avengers better hope Thor's back in time, or that they get to keep his replacement.

Originally posted by Bentley
They both get trashed by the Fantastic Four.


The end.

Hahahaha, I hope so.

Colosonaut vs Red Hulk. That should be good. I refuse to really get my hopes up though just to see Bendis or Fraction bring me down again. Still, kinda looking forward to it I guess...

Originally posted by steverules_2
Isn't wolverine a part of the avengers and X-men?

Only New Avengers and as for X-men he has his own team now

and Bendis as one of their "architect" more like destroyer.

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=50784

YES.

Hulk smash puny teams.

Loving Hawk-eyes new style (ultimates).

This is no fun w/o Thor or Hulk in the event...

This even really reminds me of Dark Avengers vs. X-Men... it wasn't satisfying, let hope this one is.

I'm actually looking forward to this, mostly because it's not coming dressed up as 'the be-all, end-all, never before precedented third coming of comic Jesus', but appears to embrace the idea of a simple, straight forward showdown... though I may eat those words come the actual event.

I'm pretty curious about why Logan looks like he's about to slice Emma.

I know everyone else is also hoping Thor teleports in at the end, owns both teams, and then kills the Phoenix.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=50784

YES.

You said it. Let it be Hickman or someone of that vein, not Fraction. Anyone but Fraction.

What did you say Rage?


FRACTION ASSEMBLE!!!?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=50784

YES.

HKh6XxYbbIc

F*CK. YEAH.

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Also, f*ck this event. No Gillen = Shit X-Men portrayal, as far as i'm concerned.

I'd like Hickman, Brubaker, Waid, or Gage on the Avengers.

No Fraction, please.

Got a feeling Sentry will be brought back to even things up for the Avengers.

****.

I hope to God you're wrong, Nihilist.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
****.

I hope to God you're wrong, Nihilist. Me too, just feel he will have been dead long enough to make a "big" return.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Got a feeling Sentry will be brought back to even things up for the Avengers. Sounds good. Let hope his origin is still mess-up and the Avengers will keep a resourceful eye on him afterwards.

Meh @ this event.

^ What makes it meh for you?

It begins with a Saga from Loeb

Btw, Wanda is coming back for this -so she survived the Children's Crusade -.

do the avengers have any telepaths on their team? if not, the x-men can win this easily.

Matt "Headbutt" Fraction on this?!

Well then, here's my prediction: this event will suck ass.

Well, it seems confirmed that the Avengers and X-Men become divided when they learn that the Phoenix Force is coming back to Earth

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35857

Also, apparently Nova, Hawkeye, Wanda and (no surprise) Hope will all play significant roles.

Plus: a promise for a lack of tie-ins, which would be neat if followed through.

I wonder if there will be a mention where Starmaster is and the new upgrade design for Nova.

Hope Wanda pwn and the Phoenix and topple the power order in the universe

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Matt "Headbutt" Fraction on this?!

Well then, here's my prediction: this event will suck ass.

Fraction AND Bendis. *shudder*

Hopefully Aaron can make it work though.

http://i.imgur.com/Y9m4X.jpg

lmfao

Man, I sure missed Wanda's quirky hat

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1323801179.jpg

I miss Wanda!

Hope originates from Phoenix or Wanda? I hope this event will explain.

Kinda excited about this. Me (X-men) and my bro(Avengers) were always debating this. I said "kinda" because with all the exposure the Avengers have had the past few years and Marvel's effort to turn them into E616 premiere team, I don't see the X-men winning this one.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Kinda excited about this. Me (X-men) and my bro(Avengers) were always debating this. I said "kinda" because with all the exposure the Avengers have had the past few years and Marvel's effort to turn them into E616 premiere team, I don't see the X-men winning this one. Have you seem the New X-Men main team line-up? Pretty damn frightening..

The Main Avenger team lost Thor, Captain Marvel hasn't shown anything impressive, and Rulk is unknown equation now (after a Hulk beat-up).

Bring more funny comics PR~

Originally posted by vansonbee
Have you seem the New X-Men main team line-up? Pretty damn frightening..

The Main Avenger team lost Thor, Captain Marvel hasn't shown anything impressive, and Rulk is unknown equation now (after a Hulk beat-up).

Bring more funny comics PR~

It is. Which it will suck even more if the Avengers end up winning. Magneto alone should be able to take out a few of them quick. I think Red Hulk is way too powerful. Looking forward to red Hulk/Colossus match up. Has the Avengers line up been announced?

Originally posted by vansonbee

The Main Avenger team lost Thor ???

edit: lmao. Forgot he's been "killed"

Thing will spank Colossusnaut.

The first book isn't bad. I just read it last night (well the Loeb comic anyways). Captain America gets worked.

My prediction is that either in this event or the Childrens Crusade series it reveals that Wanda went nuts and got this big power up by tapping into the Phoenix Force. If that is truly the case you guys will never hear the end of it

So Wandas power up was the result of tapping into "The Life Force" which possessed her and lead her to go out of control:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5341/avengerscc070017.th.jpg

Doom remarks that people have tried to control this power before and have similarly been consumed by it:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1908/avengerscc070018.th.jpg

Sounds so familiar

Given that this series is supposed to lead into Avengers Vs X-men i think this prediction is highly likely.

You better hope i'm completely wrong

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My prediction is that either in this event or the Childrens Crusade series it reveals that Wanda went nuts and got this big power up by tapping into the Phoenix Force. If that is truly the case you guys will never hear the end of it

So Wandas power up was the result of tapping into "The Life Force" which possessed her and lead her to go out of control:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5341/avengerscc070017.th.jpg

Doom remarks that people have tried to control this power before and have similarly been consumed by it:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1908/avengerscc070018.th.jpg

Sounds so familiar

Given that this series is supposed to lead into Avengers Vs X-men i think this prediction is highly likely.

You better hope i'm completely wrong


I wouldn't bet against you friend. I'm liking this story so far. Very good.

I cant wait for this to start

45 minute Avengers Vs X-men Press Conference Replay Video.

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Hope this sheds some light in this event

Let's hope it's better than all the other events Marvel pumps out every year.

I just heard about this....i haven't been to a comic book shop for over 2 months.

Anyways this sounds really awesome! im getting pretty excited! Im siding with the Avengers!

Even though with the current Uncanny roster (and Wolverine's faculty) is more numerous / powerful than the current Avenger's lineup, I honestly don't think the X-Men have a shot of winning with a Avengers movie on the way.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even though with the current Uncanny roster (and Wolverine's faculty) is more numerous / powerful than the current Avenger's lineup, I honestly don't think the X-Men have a shot of winning with a Avengers movie on the way.

the promo poster i saw made it look as if wolverine sides with the Avengers.

EDIT: Here
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/detail.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1325692546.jpg
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1323192852.jpg

thats interesting to say the least....maybe the one i posted was merely unintentional on the artists part. Anyways now we have lots of press for it here on kmc lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My prediction is that either in this event or the Childrens Crusade series it reveals that Wanda went nuts and got this big power up by tapping into the Phoenix Force. If that is truly the case you guys will never hear the end of it

So Wandas power up was the result of tapping into "The Life Force" which possessed her and lead her to go out of control:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5341/avengerscc070017.th.jpg

Doom remarks that people have tried to control this power before and have similarly been consumed by it:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1908/avengerscc070018.th.jpg

Sounds so familiar

Given that this series is supposed to lead into Avengers Vs X-men i think this prediction is highly likely.

You better hope i'm completely wrong I'm not saying that's not right, but it did show Doom saying he could revive Jean with the Phoenix Force, so it does cause a little bit of mystery.

Although it'll probably be Jean and that will just be ignored by the next writer.

Is Thor coming back to help his team? It sure will suck to be a X-Men.

But anyways, Fantastic Four ftw

Green Hulk's in it? O_o

Originally posted by Damborgson
Green Hulk's in it? O_o YUP!

I am also entralled by that poster!

Hulk going back into his old hair style and clean cut...

Hulk + Thor sitting on a tree....

looks like crap, marvel is getting desperate

Hulk + Thor?

Well, it's looking bad for the X-men.

* X-men's got Colossus with Cyttorak, Namor and Magneto...

Originally posted by Stoic
The first book isn't bad. I just read it last night (well the Loeb comic anyways). Captain America gets worked.

Really....Avengers x-sanction start of it is good??

something fishy is going on

also i made a thread for that event too.

Iron Man vs Magneto and Thing vs Namor seem to be round one.

IM vs Magneto: i wanna give the edge to Magneto for obvious reasons but Tony might already have an answer for him. Depending on the writer I guess.

Namor vs Thing: I don't see Thing winning this one.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-next-big-thing-reveal-120106.html

im going Namor and magneto most likely but like you said Iron Man probably has an answer for mags. I mean being that smart he had to have thought that he might need a magneto counter measure at some point.....

I'd assume Namor and Ben have fought a number of times already. Too bad Piotr chickened out of facing Ben by hiding in the skirts of Cyttorrak.

Ironman should beat Magneto. Metal isn't a factor here due to Anti-Magnetic fields. Tony is fast as heck and strong enough to punch Erik's head off in a micro second. Though comics tend to ignore feats Tony better win this.

He used a freaking EMP when he fought Cable. Unless the writers ignore that, it should be a no brainer.

Iron Man used plastic armor recently when he was in the same room with Magneto during Magneto's "Not a Hero" mini. Given his know how and tech, I can't see him fighting Magneto and allowing his armor to be turned against him so easily (assuming, of course, he's prepared for him). Magneto is still possessed with greater raw power, but somehow, I don't see him stomping Tony.

Why are they fighting exactly?

^ Someone did'nt bother to check out the first post


Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Is Thor coming back to help his team? It sure will suck to be a X-Men.


Would'nt it be Tanarus?

unless of course that spell gets broken before this event starts up

Originally posted by steverules_2
Why are they fighting exactly?
Tony farted in Magneto's helmet.

Originally posted by Kazenji
^ Someone did'nt bother to check out the first post


I'm glad you were here to figure that out for us all, thank you for your contribution to this thread...

Yay, Someones being an sarcastic arsehole give this guy a cake.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Yay, Someones being an sarcastic arsehole give this guy a cake.

Ouch someone know's a naughty word. You must need to clean your hands a lot considering how much crap you write.

Round 3: Black Widow vs Psylocke. Sorry Natasha but Psylocke got this!

http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_PsylockeBlackWidow_02.jpg

Originally posted by steverules_2
Ouch someone know's a naughty word. You must need to clean your hands a lot considering how much crap you write.

Your one to talk not using a search function and or making pointless post when its quite obvious what to do....




anyway back to talking about this event

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Round 3: Black Widow vs Psylocke. Sorry Natasha but Psylocke got this!

http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_PsylockeBlackWidow_02.jpg

How is that even fair?

betsy is a braddock

who's her brothers i gonna tell

siding with the xmen

Originally posted by Kazenji
Your one to talk not using a search function and or making pointless post when its quite obvious what to do....




anyway back to talking about this event

Riiiight...I think you mean posts, it's plural. And it's You're.



Anyway...from the looks of things it looks like wolverine sides with the X-men and then maybe he changes his mind. We got him fighting Cap but then he's fighting members of the X-men as well.

Originally posted by steverules_2


We got him fighting Cap but then he's fighting members of the X-men as well.

Where or when?

First post...he's fighting Cap and then in the poster he's fighting Emma

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Round 3: Black Widow vs Psylocke. Sorry Natasha but Psylocke got this!

http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_PsylockeBlackWidow_02.jpg

Thats Round 3?

some places i've gone to has it as Round 1

Not sure if that's the official round order. That's the third fight that was announced yesterday. The other two were announced last week.

http://geek-news.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avx_storm-576.jpg

so.. first Cable beats up the Avengers and now the X-Men will too..

jeez Marvel

The Avengers are punks they deserve it.

Really, f*cking Storm?

If they are actually going to fight, whether or not he wins, Thor's going to go job. I'm calling it right now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really, f*cking Storm?

If they are actually going to fight, whether or not he wins, Thor's going to go job. I'm calling it right now.

Be afraid!

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2618/avxspidermaniscman.jpg

What's the smart money on for a Wolverine fight? There is the teaser of Wolverine vs Cap, but I don't think that will be anything major with Marvel billing Cap vs Cyclops as the main event. I'm thinking Wolverine vs Iron Fist... but it has been a few years since Wolverine and the Hulk went mono e mono, so maybe we are do for that.

If he sides against the X-Men I can't really think of a remotely interesting fight for him.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2618/avxspidermaniscman.jpg

Iceman is going to lose if they fight. Or stalemate since they are friends. But he definitely will not win - because when was the last time Iceman did anything in the 616?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman is going to lose if they fight. Or stalemate since they are friends. But he definitely will not win - because when was the last time Iceman did anything in the 616?

Wolverine and the X-Men?

Made fighting ice clones in Wolverine and the X-Men recently

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://geek-news.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avx_storm-576.jpg

Lol.

The fact that this will even be a fight indicates that Thor is going to job something fierce.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Made fighting ice clones in Wolverine and the X-Men recently
I think Iceman should win with the way hes using his abilities. It should take Spidey but surprise. Then again, Spidey has his Spider sense back and combined with the Kung Fu he learned it could go either way.

I hope Thor KO's her with a kiss like last time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What's the smart money on for a Wolverine fight? There is the teaser of Wolverine vs Cap, but I don't think that will be anything major with Marvel billing Cap vs Cyclops as the main event. I'm thinking Wolverine vs Iron Fist... but it has been a few years since Wolverine and the Hulk went mono e mono, so maybe we are do for that.

If he sides against the X-Men I can't really think of a remotely interesting fight for him.


Probably Logan vs Clint Barton.

Originally posted by Bentley
Probably Logan vs Clint Barton.
I think Iron Fist would be a better challenge. They showed a mini tease while they were sparring on New Avengers. Now it would be sweet showing them cutting loose.

Ms.Marvel vs Rogue

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-vs-xmen-teasers-120109.html

http://cdn.ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/AvX_HulkEmma.jpg

I hope some of these are red herrings because they haven't teased a fight that isn't a lop sided beat down yet.

Given that this is the Phoenix Force and Emma has been a key player regarding the whole Hope/Jean thing. I don't see her being taken out of the event like this from a story perspective.

Hulks less important to it.

it should b good

roll with the mutants

and hulk will smash if they interfere not a weakling

and once they unite who's gonna stop the force

Emma vs Hulk seems like overkill.

Luke Cage vs Beast.
http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_LukeCageBeast_02.jpg

I'm picking Beast because of his superior intellect.

Yeah, overkill... Poor Hulk...

Wow theres going to be alot of jobbing.


Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Emma vs Hulk seems like overkill.

Luke Cage vs Beast.
http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_LukeCageBeast_02.jpg

I'm picking Beast because of his superior intellect.

WTF How the hell you going to try to give Cage a push when he can't even wipe the floor with loser Beast? It's a ****ing joke. I keep trying to tell mutha****** if you want to create more iconic black charcters you have to make them more powerful. Cage is a brick and he still kinda sux.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/2159006-avx_colossusthing_super.jpeg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/121/1216324/avengers-vs-x-men-20120111085913439.jpg

Thing vs Colossus and Thing vs Namor. Looks like some characters are getting more than one fight, and I doubt Marvel will have Ben lose twice in on event... so get ready Colossus and Namor fans, one of your boys is going down.

We still have that JR JR Wolverine vs Cap teaser to be officially released, which is funny because it was one of the first images that leaked hours after the event was announced.

Piotr is going down hard. I bet Ben destroys him and he gets lucky by being overcome by Cyttorrak or some crap. Then Piotr tries to hold back because he knows he's fighting a hero and Ben knocks him down with a right hook through Juggernat's vaunted invulnerability.

Too bad Thor and Hulk are also in this event, Ben won't get to destroy more A-listers

Aunt Petunia's favorite nephew is going to clobber everyone who comes his way.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2e964sOXs1qz5y5go1_500.jpg

Marvel should do the Thing vs the Marvel Universe, make it canon, and reset the universe with Ben remembering everything that happened.

Gambit vs Spider-woman. The most even fight announced so far.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YngefS3JLJA/Tw8LniogCkI/AAAAAAAAMnM/HdKu8LXNnog/s1600/Gambit.jpg

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gambit vs Spider-woman. The most even fight announced so far.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YngefS3JLJA/Tw8LniogCkI/AAAAAAAAMnM/HdKu8LXNnog/s1600/Gambit.jpg Especially since both are apparently made of rubber

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://cdn.ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/AvX_HulkEmma.jpg

Last time they fought, Emma's telepathy proved worthless. Then, they try to engage h2h with the Hulk, and Hulk ground her. Litteraly.

This fight should go for one page only.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/2159006-avx_colossusthing_super.jpeg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/121/1216324/avengers-vs-x-men-20120111085913439.jpg

Thing vs Colossus and Thing vs Namor. Looks like some characters are getting more than one fight, and I doubt Marvel will have Ben lose twice in on event... so get ready Colossus and Namor fans, one of your boys is going down.

We still have that JR JR Wolverine vs Cap teaser to be officially released, which is funny because it was one of the first images that leaked hours after the event was announced.

JOB!!!!

All I can see is jobbing. So this is going to be the event with the most jobbing in the entire hsitory of the marvel universe?

If Thing holds his own against Collosus how useless is he going to look?

These are some of the most odd/boring fights I have seen.

Archangel vs daredevil is LOLworthy.

http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_vs_x-men_captain_america_wolverine.jpg

Another one sided stomp Wolverine > Cap. 10/10

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_vs_x-men_captain_america_wolverine.jpg

Another one sided stomp Wolverine > Cap. 10/10

What you mean like what happened last time when Cap ended up looking better ie doesn't have HF and adamantuim bones.

Originally posted by Deadline
What you mean like what happened last time when Cap ended up looking better ie doesn't have HF and adamantuim bones.

You mean the time when crappy Wayverine almost killed Cap with a blot clot causing pressure point and Emma and Scott had to rush him off to get medical attention?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean the time when crappy Wayverine almost killed Cap with a blot clot causing pressure point and Emma and Scott had to rush him off to get medical attention?

Yea thats a shame if he had a HF he could have healed from that and beaten up on Wolverine after he disabled his claws.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea thats a shame if he had a HF he could have healed from that and beaten up on Wolverine after he disabled his claws.

And if Wolverine had Superman's powers he could fly to the sun... but he doesn't, and Cap doesn't have a healing factor either... which is why he loses 10/10.

I hope Cap runs a penis train on Wolverine's penis hole

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean the time when crappy Wayverine almost killed Cap with a blot clot causing pressure point and Emma and Scott had to rush him off to get medical attention? You mean after Cap had Wolverine surrender and shuffling along at military march until Nuke distracted Cap? K. Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I hope Cap runs a penis train on Wolverine's penis hole

Im almost 100% sure that Cap will win this fight. Im sure they aren't going to make it an outright stomp but im pretty sure cap will win.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I hope Cap runs a penis train on Wolverine's penis hole

Well, now I know who all those disturbing e-vites are from...

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpoymISO11r8aco2o1_500.gif

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You mean after Cap had Wolverine surrender and shuffling along at military march until Nuke distracted Cap?

You mean the time Wolverine willing stopped fighting because he knew the alternative resulted in Cap dying painfully when the slightest physical strain caused his blot clot to break free and travel to his heart? K

^ We know why Wolverine stopped fighting, because Cap would have killed him with the Muramasa Blade. Which literally almost ended up happening when Wolverine tried to jump in and got slashed across the chest by it.

Blood clot didn't even threaten Cap until he had to deal with Nuke and an expanded fight that included the X-Men. Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Im almost 100% sure that Cap will win this fight. Im sure they aren't going to make it an outright stomp but im pretty sure cap will win. Wolverine is actually due for a good clean win against someone formidable. He's been getting dumped on a bit.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ We know why Wolverine stopped fighting, because Cap would have killed him with the Muramasa Blade. Which literally almost ended up happening when Wolverine tried to jump in and got slashed across the chest by it.

Blood clot didn't even threaten Cap until he had to deal with Nuke and an expanded fight that included the X-Men.

Cap killing Wolverine with the Murmasa blade literally almost happened, but what literally did happen is that the blood clot incapacitated Cap... thrice

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxfvsaZhqA1qlvj9vo1_250.gif

One way or another, too bad Logan is getting beaten by Cap. He should be beaten by Ben Grimm biscuits

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cap killing Wolverine with the Murmasa blade literally almost happened, but what literally did happen is that the blood clot incapacitated Cap... thrice Wolverine surrendered to Cap, spinning that into a win for Wolverine is far-fetched to say the least.

Ant the blood-clot incapacitated him once... after Nuke had distracted him, allowing Wolverine to suckerpunch the back of Cap's head several times and then Cap being forced into the middle of a Wolverine/X-Men melee which further aggravated his condition. That's when the clot finally reached the brain.

No spinning necessary, just acknowledging the context of the story (I know how much you love to ignore that). Wolverine surrendered because the alternative was continuing to fight which would have dislodged Cap's blood clot, killing his friend... which isn't something Wolverine wanted.

The blood clot got Cap three times, the third time finally making its way to his heart, and each time he was bought a reprieve by X-Men interference saving his ass.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/121/1216324/avengers-vs-x-men-20120111085913439.jpg

DD has shown insane feats lately but Warren should obliterate him. Though recent Archangel is an insane healer who thinks he's an actual angel. But Archangel full force should shred everything. Though personally I would love to see DD win this.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxqwctgHRP1r8dar2o1_500.jpg

I wonder if Wolverine's school and Pym's school fight in this?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And if Wolverine had Superman's powers he could fly to the sun... but he doesn't, and Cap doesn't have a healing factor either... which is why he loses 10/10.

Not my point really, my point is Cap is more skilled. Obvoulsy if Cap can disable Wolverine's claws and stun the Hulk it's impossible for him to KO Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No spinning necessary, just acknowledging the context of the story (I know how much you love to ignore that). Wolverine surrendered because the alternative was continuing to fight which would have dislodged Cap's blood clot, killing his friend... which isn't something Wolverine wanted.

The blood clot got Cap three times, the third time finally making its way to his heart, and each time he was bought a reprieve by X-Men interference saving his ass.

If Cap would have died how come that never happened even when the bloodclot got to him? I thought it had something to do with the blade being able to kill him.

Uh srank if Wolverine was so concerned about Cap not fighting why did he attack him?

Originally posted by Deadline
Not my point really, my point is Cap is more skilled. Obvoulsy if Cap can disable Wolverine's claws and stun the Hulk it's impossible for him to KO Wolverine.


Cap used brute strength to crush some tendons in Wolverine's forearms (which would have healed in seconds), where as Wolverine used martial prowess and technique and almost killed Cap with a pressure point. Pretty obvious that Wolverine displayed more skill than Cap in that fight.

You are right that it's impossible for Captain America to ko Wolverine though, so nice work. I always had faith you'd get something right eventually.

Originally posted by Deadline
If Cap would have died how come that never happened even when the bloodclot got to him? I thought it had something to do with the blade being able to kill him.

Because the X-Men med-evacuated him on their jet? Wolverine would have had to carry him to the nearest Vietnamese hospital on foot.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cap used brute strength to crush some tendons in Wolverine's forearms (which would have healed in seconds),

No he didn't it was more complicated than that, read it again. Cap also used Wolverines powerset against him.

So everytime Cap stuns of KOs a brick he using brute force?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

where as Wolverine used martial prowess and technique and almost killed Cap with a pressure point. Pretty obvious that Wolverine displayed more skill than Cap in that fight.



No srank wounding a guy without a HF isn't as impressive as wounding a guy with one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

You are right that it's impossible for Captain America to ko Wolverine though, so nice work. I always had faith you'd get something right eventually.

Oh so Professor Hulk is harder to KO than Wolverine?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin


Because the X-Men med-evacuated him on their jet? Wolverine would have had to carry him to the nearest Vietnamese hospital on foot.

That doesn't nessecarily mean he would have died just that he was messed up. Theres this as well.

Originally posted by Deadline

Uh srank if Wolverine was so concerned about Cap not fighting why did he attack him?

HE vs Cyclops?

Ok I guess, hopefully Clint does good...

Originally posted by Deadline
No he didn't it was more complicated than that, read it again. Cap also used Wolverines powerset against him.


No it wasn't. Cap squeezed Wolverine's forearms and crushed the tendons. Nothing complicated about it.

Originally posted by Deadline
So everytime Cap stuns of KOs a brick he using brute force?


What relevance does that have to this particular incident where he did use brute force?

Originally posted by Deadline
No srank wounding a guy without a HF isn't as impressive as wounding a guy with one.


... What?

Wolverine has more or less peak human durability, it takes as much to wound him as it does anyone else... he simply repairs the damage. So no, it's not more impressive to wound a character with a healing factor than one without it. Knocking one out is, because that requires overloading said healing factor, but wounding him just requires to bypass the character's innate levels of durability, which for Wolverine is more or less human level.

Originally posted by Deadline
Oh so Professor Hulk is harder to KO than Wolverine?


Probably, Professor Hulk's healing factor wasn't as good as Savage Hulk or Wolverine.

Originally posted by Deadline
That doesn't nessecarily mean he would have died just that he was messed up. Theres this as well.

An aortic aneurysm is 100% fatal without surgery. His heart would have ruptured and exploded.

Originally posted by Deadline
That doesn't nessecarily mean he would have died just that he was messed up. Theres this as well.

Because he was momentarily driven berserk by the Marumasa blade... did you not read the story?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No spinning necessary, just acknowledging the context of the story (I know how much you love to ignore that). Wolverine surrendered because the alternative was continuing to fight which would have dislodged Cap's blood clot, killing his friend... which isn't something Wolverine wanted.

The blood clot got Cap three times, the third time finally making its way to his heart, and each time he was bought a reprieve by X-Men interference saving his ass. Wolverine surrendered because the Muramasa Blade would have killed him. And it nearly did kill him. You know why that fact is completely obvious? Had Wolverine truly not wanted to hurt Cap at all because any further exertion would have killed him, he wouldn't have rushed Cap when Nuke distracted him. He wouldn't have pummeled the crap out of his head when Cap's back was turned. He wouldn't have deflected Cyclops' beam into him. You need to think about these things before spinning sh1t.

The blood clot disabled him after Nuke distracted Cap, after Wolverine pummeled the back of Cap's head with cheapshots due to the distraction and after Cap further exerted himself in that free-for-all melee.

Looking at the reasonably consistent quality DC's been shitting out since their reboot, I have just absolutely zero interest in this event. Step it up, Marvel.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Looking at the reasonably consistent quality DC's been shitting out since their reboot, I have just absolutely zero interest in this event. Step it up, Marvel.

So your judging Marvel's books just on this one event

you need to look around alot more.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Looking at the reasonably consistent quality DC's been shitting out since their reboot, I have just absolutely zero interest in this event. Step it up, Marvel. I wouldn't go that far.

Only 1/3 of the recycle DC new release was better than before, but everything else either stayed the same or fell a couple of pegs backwards.

This Marvel event is pretty interesting, its not a cosmic scale.

I just enjoy Marvel more as they involve current events (Tea Party, politics) and how the mass media even criticize heroes.

For the record, I'm a long-time Avengers fan but they've become a little mainstream for my taste. I don't think I'll be getting this title, unless the reviews it gets are uplifting.

Originally posted by vansonbee
I wouldn't go that far.

I would. There is literally not a single thing going on in Marvel that is original or has my interest. Nothing at all.

Meh Im looking forward to this event!

looks like wolverine is standing with the avengers.......

EDIT: the beast appears to be standing with the avengers.


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/1326717726.jpg

So the only turncoat Avengers will be Namor and Storm.

Nobody should be surprised at Namor of course, but the lack of T'challa is some missed potential.

I find it hilarious that Tony is the preventative of equal standing as Emma Frost.

The poster lack the appearances of the green Hulk, but it made up for me because Armor is there. She has been through a lot and has gain a lot of experiences and power.

Hope being in the issue, is due to plot device. She bit blend for my liking and hard to relate, because she from a different time line.

Cage is gonna go at it with magneto.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/AvX_LukeCageBeast_02.jpg

thats mildly confusing. seeing as how the poster above shows cage and beast on the same side.

Yup, another poster with Steve vs. Logan was confusing as well, but I theorize that its only the prequel, where Logan/Beast are deciding their stances in the whole matter.