Colossanaut vs WWH

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TheHulk
No BFR,No Prep,This Fight Takes Place In A Grassy Lands

McNasty996
Hulk wins, battle tested and proven.

TheHulk
Originally posted by McNasty996
Hulk wins, battle tested and proven. Agreed,but still based on what???

Damborgson
If hulk goes WB then he wins. If he stays at WWH levels....split.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
If hulk goes WB then he wins. If he stays at WWH levels....split. Debatable,But Okay Damborgy

carver9
Hulk doesn't need to go WB to win. WWH is good enough

McNasty996
Originally posted by TheHulk
Agreed,but still based on what???

His fight with Kuurth who lost "half" his backing and was still able to push his shit in. They may be even at first but as we have seen shortly after the battle begins to heat up Hulk can quickly power up and leaving Colossus V2. with two options. Be beaten damn near to death or use his unstopability to try to run Hulk over but, seeing as Juggernaut full power couldn't immediately do it who had far more experience, would let Hulk slow him down enough to prevent being ran over. And possibly even tripping him or something to that degree, quickly reverting to option one. Getting beaten to death while he can't do anything about it.

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk doesn't need to go WB to win. WWH is good enough Not against Cain it wasnt.

TheHulk
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk doesn't need to go WB to win. WWH is good enough Logical

guy222
wwh

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
Not against Cain it wasnt.

Why not when it was pretty obvious Hulk was holding back.?

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
Why not when it was pretty obvious Hulk was holding back.? Why do you say that? It was Juggernaut. Not some nameless teen mutant or something.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why do you say that? It was Juggernaut. Not some nameless teen mutant or something. Who Was Trying To K.O Hulk,While Hulk was holding back and not there to fight...

BruceSkywalker
WWH.. good fight though

CosmicComet
Originally posted by TheHulk
Who Was Trying To K.O Hulk,While Hulk was holding back and not there to fight...

What?

Hulk said he was going to kill Juggernaut, and then changed his mind and decided BFR was the smarter idea.

Damborgson
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What?

Hulk said he was going to kill Juggernaut, and then changed his mind and decided BFR was the smarter idea. Exactly. Thats why im wondering where they are getting the idead that he was holding back from...

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
Exactly. Thats why im wondering where they are getting the idead that he was holding back from... He was not there to fight because he only wanted Prof X......Same Reason For Thor expect he does not want to destroy a world,kill people and because,He does not care to go all out.

Damborgson
Originally posted by TheHulk
He was not there to fight because he only wanted Prof X......Same Reason For Thor expect he does not want to destroy a world,kill people and because,He does not care to go all out. Thats no excuse. Unless you think hulk lying or something. Hulk going for the kill does not mean he needs to like blow up the planet to show he's not playing around.

TheHulk
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What?

Hulk said he was going to kill Juggernaut, and then changed his mind and decided BFR was the smarter idea. lololol when was that???? sorry if i can't remember which part of the comic was it

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thats no excuse. Unless you think hulk lying or something. Hulk going for the kill does not mean he needs to like blow up the planet to show he's not playing around. If you don't think that's an excuse than i have nothing to say to you,cause it's quite impossible to define what a character means when he says something like that

Damborgson
Originally posted by TheHulk
If you don't think that's an excuse than i have nothing to say to you,cause it's quite impossible to define what a character means when he says something like that

statement: "The Old Hulk is dead...just as your gonna be."

Conclusion: http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/mhmm.gif

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
statement: "The Old Hulk is dead...just as your gonna be."

Conclusion: http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/mhmm.gif What??? does it mean he wants to kill him??? in the end of WWH he said he did not want to cause death...and guess what?? it didn't happen no death was caused!!! directly or indirectly....so what's your point

Damborgson
Originally posted by TheHulk
What??? Dont worry about it. laughing out loud Might as well let this go 2.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
Dont worry about it. laughing out loud Might as well let this go 2. read my post again....

Damborgson
Originally posted by TheHulk
read my post again.... oh okay you edited.

If Hulk says he wanted to kill Juggernaut...then he wanted to kill him. Dont even tell me that he true to his word of not killing. When pushed far enough he massacred Miek. And this was before he found out about what Miek had done on Sakaar. He was getting pissed and had he the chance he would have killed. To me its fairly obvious he wasnt to confident about his chances with juggy.

Edit: Or at least didnt want to waste a long time trying to just KO him.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Damborgson
oh okay you edited.

If Hulk says he wanted to kill Juggernaut...then he wanted to kill him. Dont even tell me that he true to his word of not killing. When pushed far enough he massacred Miek. And this was before he found out about what Miek had done on Sakaar. He was getting pissed and had he the chance he would have killed. To me its fairly obvious he wasnt to confident about his chances with juggy.

Edit: Or at least didnt want to waste a long time trying to just KO him. Did it look like Hulk was angry when he faced juggy for the last time he was not there to fight plus if i say i want to kill you in a middle of a fight do your really think i'm gonna kill you.NO! it's a phrase used alot....

TheHulk
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What?

Hulk said he was going to kill Juggernaut, and then changed his mind and decided BFR was the smarter idea. i quote myself
"What??? does it mean he wants to kill him??? in the end of WWH he said he did not want to cause death...and guess what?? it didn't happen no death was caused!!! directly or indirectly....so what's your point"

psycho gundam
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Originally posted by Damborgson
Conclusion: ......nowhere near defeating base hulk level just yet
haermm

TheHulk
Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel3.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel4.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel6.jpg thumb up

HE CAN'T EVEN FIGHT A SINGLE SENTINAL!!???...sorry WWH stomps

carver9
This is why I think Hulk was holding back...

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0028.jpg

Then it was stated on panel during the WWH arc that held back the entire time and controlled every fight "which was the reason why no one died during the arc".

carver9
More proof that Hulk was holding back during the entire WWH arc.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg

TheHulk
Originally posted by carver9
More proof that Hulk was holding back during the entire WWH arc.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg For this carver it does not prove anything....

carver9
Originally posted by TheHulk
For this carver it does not prove anything....

Why not? He didn't kill a soul during all of his fights and someone as strong as Hulk to not cause any physical damage to anyone during all of his scuffles is a sign of holding back.

TheHulk
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? He didn't kill a soul during all of his fights and someone as strong as Hulk to not cause any physical damage to anyone during all of his scuffles is a sign of holding back. i mean the juggernaut fight i qouted wrongly

carver9
The Juggernaut scan isn't needed since it was confirmed Hulk held back through the entire arc.

nwg202
oh wow... Colossus got hit. he stumbled back. Rockslide tackled wwhulk. so what....what do you expect? he never stumbles back? classic cl 70 teenage colossus put cain on his ass that does not mean anything.

from the writer of uncanny x-men himself:

Yo! We all know Colossus got an upgrade and is now the new Colossernaut. Does this mean his Juggernaut powers are in addition to his original mutant power? If yes, does this mean he can kick the crap out of Jesus and the Queen of England?

For the former, Yes. For the latter, to be disclosed in the forthcoming COLOSSUS VERSUS JESUS AND THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND mini.
KieronGillen responded to Suiciety9, 1 day ago

im not even saying Colossus wins just dont go posting about him getting hit. talk to me when he gets knocked out via physical force.

Bouboumaster
Until Colossus got better showings, I'll go with the Hulk

Estacado
Lulz at Colossusnaut having problems with a sentinel.

Gecko4lif
Wow. Way to fail colossanaut

DickBlazer
I think Colossus will be capable of monstrous shit otherwise him getting the gem was pointless. Not saying he could take out wwh....but I don't see hulk really taking Colossus out except bfr

nwg202
Originally posted by DickBlazer
I think Colossus will be capable of monstrous shit otherwise him getting the gem was pointless. Not saying he could take out wwh....but I don't see hulk really taking Colossus out except bfr

Well his first feat of taking down Kuurth was good. (an asgardian god)

This was just funny. 3 of them taking on one sentinel ( i know the writer is trying to make the sentinel look really tough, but still) jubes took down the other 2 b herself I think.lol Vampire jubes> then storm, Colossus and war machine. Looks like a ton of sentinels in the next issue though, so maybe thr writer redeems himself.

We'll need a years worth of feats i guess. But seeing how the writer thinks of him in uncanny, i wouldn't be to worried. He says new Colossus has juggs + Colossus mutant powers.

regarding this fight..i have no problem with either one winning but due to feats. i'll give to wwhulk. ( at least for now) mostly due to lack of feats for pete.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Estacado
Lulz at Colossusnaut having problems with a sentinel. that sentinel had X factor activated

Existere
Meh, Colossus got smacked once, but he didn't really have any trouble with the Sentinel. He's the only one that actually did anything, while Storm and War Machine were hilariously useless...

psycho gundam
it's just that colossus established that there was continuity with the level of difficulty he's witnessed when dealing with sentinels...one sentinel no doubt and not even of of those nimrody ones...and he was amped.

just doesn't look that good imo

Existere
Well yeah, it doesn't look good, but mostly because it makes him come across as really dumb, not necessarily weak.

psycho gundam
don't ruin my fun

Estacado
Originally posted by Existere
Meh, Colossus got smacked once, but he didn't really have any trouble with the Sentinel. He's the only one that actually did anything, while Storm and War Machine were hilariously useless...
He got bitchsmacked by a robot no one has ever did that to Cain....

Colossus-Big C
Writers are garbage now, dont expect anything great from colossunaut

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
More proof that Hulk was holding back during the entire WWH arc.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg

that's not what that is.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Writers are garbage now, dont expect anything great from colossunaut

why?

nwg202
Originally posted by Estacado
He got bitchsmacked by a robot no one has ever did that to Cain....

Cain got knocked on his ass by a 70 ton teenage Colossus. doesn't really mean anything either, we know Cain would still destroy a teen Colossus. Same thing here. Pretty sure this Sentinel is stronger than 70 tons. Still, I have to admit it, looked funny though.

Damborgson
Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel3.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel4.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_normalsentinel6.jpg

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/JokerClapping.gif
Cool? Its not like Sentinels are weak sauce. And neither is Colosonaut. He wasnt exactly hurt or anything.


Besides. WB got taken down by an AT&T satellite.
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/smurph.gif

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/JokerClapping.gif
Cool? Its not like Sentinels are weak sauce. And neither is Colosonaut. He wasnt exactly hurt or anything.


Besides. WB got taken down by an AT&T satellite.
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/smurph.gif

That was prepped by Reed, Tony, and Strange.

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
That was prepped by Reed, Tony, and Strange. Awesome. The Hulk still got taken down by an AT&T satellite. It just happened to be a prepped one. Oh and btw....


































































....I'm kidding. stick out tongue

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not what that is.



why?

He's in a team...team = tone down everyone too powerful to make everyone else look good or at least make them look not useless. happens all the time.

nwg202
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
He's in a team...team = tone down everyone too powerful to make everyone else look good or at least make them look not useless. happens all the time.

True. The surfer jobs big time when stuck on a team. Thor does too.. so does superman, Cain etc...Hopefully it does not happen to Colossus. Won't be surprised if it did though...

DickBlazer
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
He's in a team...team = tone down everyone too powerful to make everyone else look good or at least make them look not useless. happens all the time.

+1

DarkSaint85
Well, they all have low showings. Current Hulk was taken down by sonics....

-Pr-
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
He's in a team...team = tone down everyone too powerful to make everyone else look good or at least make them look not useless. happens all the time.

Did anyone seriously expect Colossusnaut to be going around soloing teams in the first place?

This is how Colossus has always been written bar a few key writers; him having Cain's powers isn't going to make a huge bit of difference.

And lastly, I wasn't talking about feats. F*ck feats. If they write Colossus as an interesting character, then he's not going to be garbage.

I'd rather have him written well and moderately powerful than making him shite and having him solo everyone.

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by -Pr-
Did anyone seriously expect Colossusnaut to be going around soloing teams in the first place?

This is how Colossus has always been written bar a few key writers; him having Cain's powers isn't going to make a huge bit of difference.

And lastly, I wasn't talking about feats. F*ck feats. If they write Colossus as an interesting character, then he's not going to be garbage.

I'd rather have him written well and moderately powerful than making him shite and having him solo everyone.

Nope, but making him the new Juggernaut should in theory, make him a team wrecker.

Haven't really seen much of the new Colossus, but judging from that sentinel thing, looks like Colossus was operating at his old levels just with a new look.

I still think that making Colossus the new Jugs is stupid. A secondary mutation with increased stats would have been better. Stupidly powerful characters are lame and boring.

-Pr-
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Nope, but making him the new Juggernaut should in theory, make him a team wrecker.

Haven't really seen much of the new Colossus, but judging from that sentinel thing, looks like Colossus was operating at his old levels just with a new look.

I still think that making Colossus the new Jugs is stupid. A secondary mutation with increased stats would have been better. Stupidly powerful characters are lame and boring.

In theory. stick out tongue

It's not power that makes people boring, it's writers who don't know what to do with them imo.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, they all have low showings. Current Hulk was taken down by sonics.... ... ?

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... ?

Never happened.

DarkSaint85
Clarification probably needed: it hurt him. Using previous logic - if it makes him bleed, it's hurting him, right?

DarkSaint85
In the next few panels, he heals up, then proceeds to kick their ass. But it brings him to his knees.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/14.jpg

OneDumbG0
^ I think that the next two pages reveal just how "taken down" he was.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I think that the next two pages reveal just how "taken down" he was.

Like I said, he heals up, then kicks their ass in the next few panels.

The point I was trying to make, I guess, was that even the Hulk has one or two panels where it looks like he's losing - not every panel is him crushing everything beneath him, otherwise its a boring comic.

The Sorrow
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like I said, he heals up, then kicks their ass in the next few panels.

The point I was trying to make, I guess, was that even the Hulk has one or two panels where it looks like he's losing - not every panel is him crushing everything beneath him, otherwise its a boring comic.
But what relevance does it have to this thread other than attempting to lowball?

DarkSaint85
Ha, if you re read my post, it was a reply to an earlier post which showed how colossus was knocked back by a sentinel. My point was its early days, one low showing isn't the be all and end all of things.

TheHulk
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In the next few panels, he heals up, then proceeds to kick their ass. But it brings him to his knees.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/14.jpg I think Hulk was more like "What In Gamma Name Did You Just Do To Me???" not actually in pain

colossulrage
are you people kidding me? how did he have any trouble fighting that sentinel?? he picked it up by its foot slamned him down the sentinel hit him one time knocking him down (not a hard feat to do by any means if he isnt in his unstoppable movement mode) colossus got back up a split second later like nothing happened ready to throw down again. now its not a strong showing by any means for colossus but he isnt getting his ass beat like some on here are claiming

nwg202
People are putting to much emphasis on that sentinel swat. Hulk, Thor surfer,Cain, Superman, Shaggyman, Grundy, Sentry, Gladiator, BRB, Red Hulk, Black Adam etc all at one time or another have been hit and put on their ass by weaker opponents. being beat is another question all together.

Gambit vs Glads for instance...

TheHulk
Originally posted by nwg202
People are putting to much emphasis on that sentinel swat. Hulk, Thor surfer,Cain, Superman, Shaggyman, Grundy, Sentry, Gladiator, BRB, Red Hulk, Black Adam etc all at one time or another have been hit and put on their ass by weaker opponents. being beat is another question all together.

Gambit vs Glads for instance... But all these characters you listed had better days,Colossanaut never so this actually counts as something bad for his future...

-Pr-
Getting knocked down isn't a big deal. It's the getting back up that's the important part.

TheHulk
Originally posted by -Pr-
Getting knocked down isn't a big deal. It's the getting back up that's the important part. True,but overall its about how you finish....are u gonna finish strong or finish weak.

nwg202
Originally posted by TheHulk
But all these characters you listed had better days,Colossanaut never so this actually counts as something bad for his future...

He beat Kuurth. Rulk got owned by Angrir. Only Colossus and Thor went one on one against the worthy. Surfer struggled against attuma with the help of the defenders(PIS) Beating Kuurth is a major feat in my book.

what are you talking about? he's just had 4 issues.

TheHulk
Originally posted by nwg202
He beat Kuurth. Rulk got owned by Angrir. Only Colossus and Thor went one on one against the worthy. Surfer struggled against attuma with the help of the defenders(PIS) Beating Kuurth is a major feat in my book.

what are you talking about? he's just had 4 issues. Yes and the next thing we know Kuurth was breaking his bones,Honestly Colossnaut bad fts beats Colossanaut good fts

-Pr-
Originally posted by TheHulk
True,but overall its about how you finish....are u gonna finish strong or finish weak.

That's pretty much what I meant. stick out tongue

How did he do at the end of the fight?

nwg202
Originally posted by TheHulk
Yes and the next thing we know Kuurth was breaking his bones,Honestly Colossnaut bad fts beats Colossanaut good fts

So what? We see rockslide tackle world war hulk, x-23 slash him, and make him bleed. Kiity phased him into the ground and he got seriously hurt. Hulk bleeds and gets hurt all the time. That's the point of having healing factor. It does not matter if you get hurt, u heal from it almost instantly. If you are talking about feats, Colossus has been in 4 issues what do you expect? He has already beaten an Asgardian God in one. Healed instantly in uncanny x-men 1 and tore through celestial metal in another.

I'm not even saying Colossus wins, just dont use the being hurt thing as an example of why he loses. Evryone gets hurt...even Galactus. Tell me when someone knocks him out by physical force. Then we can see were he stands on the heavy hitter list.

The Sorrow
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha, if you re read my post, it was a reply to an earlier post which showed how colossus was knocked back by a sentinel. My point was its early days, one low showing isn't the be all and end all of things.
I don't think it was the being knocked back that was the point it was that he looked less than impressive to say the least. Even when he "beat" Kuurth he did so through context, it's not as if he was overwhelmingly superior. With regards to the sonics comment iirc the original Juggernaut was taken down by this method too.

I know you didn't make the thread so this isn't directly aimed at you but how can you even compare Colossusnaut to Green Scar (WWH) when he hasn't done much of anything.

TheHulk
Originally posted by nwg202
So what? We see rockslide tackle world war hulk, x-23 slash him, and make him bleed. Kiity phased him into the ground and he got seriously hurt. Hulk bleeds and gets hurt all the time. That's the point of having healing factor. It does not matter if you get hurt, u heal from it almost instantly. If you are talking about feats, Colossus has been in 4 issues what do you expect? He has already beaten an Asgardian God in one. Healed instantly in uncanny x-men 1 and tore through celestial metal in another.

I'm not even saying Colossus wins, just dont use the being hurt thing as an example of why he loses. Evryone gets hurt...even Galactus. Tell me when someone knocks him out by physical force. Then we can see were he stands on the heavy hitter list. Your right to be honest but lol Hulk bleeds does not mean it hurts

Mr.Mxyzptlk
I think what TheHulk was getting at is that if Colossus was truly at Classic Jugg levels that he should be truly invulnerable and wouldn't be breaking his bones against something so simple.

Mind you some people like to construe this as Kuurth sans Cyttorak is some uber beast in of himself.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I think what TheHulk was getting at is that if Colossus was truly at Classic Jugg levels that he should be truly invulnerable and wouldn't be breaking his bones against something so simple.

Mind you some people like to construe this as Kuurth sans Cyttorak is some uber beast in of himself. Actually that's not what I meant

nwg202
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I think what TheHulk was getting at is that if Colossus was truly at Classic Jugg levels that he should be truly invulnerable and wouldn't be breaking his bones against something so simple.

Mind you some people like to construe this as Kuurth sans Cyttorak is some uber beast in of himself.

But Cain himself has gotten hurt without his force field himself. Shatter star poked his eye out. which he healed from. He has gotten reduced to bones. (but still kept on fighting) he got hurt by Thor's punches when the shield went down.

I don't think it's possible for Colossus who appears in a monthly comic to be written as someone who does not get hurt at all...there is nothing heroic about someone who does not feel any pain at all. Heroes need to look like they are struggling, the x-men especially need to look like underdogs to heighten the sense of drama.

He is in a team book and powerhouses job in team settings. ( Surfer, Thor, Cain himself, Hulk, etc...) He has no solo book where he can rack up feats, nor is he a villian or someone like Hulk who will go up against teams of heroes.

The writter said he has his mutant powers stacked on top of cain's powers, so we know the writer's intent. Will that translate into feats? i have no idea. but being on the x-men, there is no way he will be written as someone who thrashes all of the avengers by himself unless he turns into a villian or becomes an uncontrollable monster. He is a fully powered Avatar of cyttorak who will most probably job due to him being a hero stuck in a team who are supposed to be underdogs. and with no solo book, he cant look like he is the only one on the team needed to beat the enemy.

TheHulk
Originally posted by nwg202
But Cain himself has gotten hurt without his force field himself. Shatter star poked his eye out. which he healed from. He has gotten reduced to bones. (but still kept on fighting) he got hurt by Thor's punches when the shield went down.

I don't think it's possible for Colossus who appears in a monthly comic to be written as someone who does not get hurt at all...there is nothing heroic about someone who does not feel any pain at all. Heroes need to look like they are struggling, the x-men especially need to look like underdogs to heighten the sense of drama.

He is in a team book and powerhouses job in team settings. ( Surfer, Thor, Cain himself, Hulk, etc...) He has no solo book where he can rack up feats, nor is he a villian or someone like Hulk who will go up against teams of heroes.

The writter said he has his mutant powers stacked on top of cain's powers, so we know the writer's intent. Will that translate into feats? i have no idea. but being on the x-men, there is no way he will be written as someone who thrashes all of the avengers by himself unless he turns into a villian or becomes an uncontrollable monster. He is a fully powered Avatar of cyttorak who will most probably job due to him being a hero stuck in a team who are supposed to be underdogs. Honestly that was no excuse but user where you at going

nwg202
what excuse? i didn't say Colossus wins. I am pointing out that even if he is fully powered by the gem, he will get hurt. that is a given...

look at surfers powerset he is supposed to be all powerful. but they stuck him on the defenders and he had to job against attuma since he is on a team. and the worthy needed to look like big time threats. written w/o pis strange surfer and namor combined should beat an asgardian god of thor's level. assuming attuma is at thor's level. if he is weaker that makes it even more stupid.

explain to me thor being on the same team as hawkeye. hawkeye gives the avengers the win sometimes. that's thor jobbing too.. with thor's abilites they needed all of the avenger's to beat moses magnum? really? but both thor and surfer have solo books where they can cut loose. Colossus does not.

TheHulk
Originally posted by nwg202
what excuse? i didn't say Colossus wins. I am pointing out that even if he is fully powered by the gem, he will get hurt. that is a given...

look at surfers powerset he is supposed to be all powerful. but they stuck him on the defenders and he had to job against attuma since he is on a team. and the worthy needed to look like big time threats. written w/o pis strange surfer and namor combined should beat an asgardian god of thor's level. assuming attuma is at thor's level. if he is weaker that makes it even more stupid.

explain to me thor being on the same team as hawkeye. hawkeye gives the avengers the win sometimes. that's thor jobbing too.. with thor's abilites they needed all of the avenger's to beat moses magnum? really? but both thor and surfer have solo books where they can cut loose. Colossus does not. There is no need for me to explain anything cause all this is not what I'm trying to argue in the first place

carver9
What fts does Colossonaut have that shows he can hang with WWH? Him fighting a weakened Kuurth isn't a ft people should hold on too since Kuurth was cracking skulls during that fight and a weakened Kuurth doesn't have a showing putting him in WWH league.

Mr.Mxyzptlk
Originally posted by nwg202
But Cain himself has gotten hurt without his force field himself. Shatter star poked his eye out. which he healed from. He has gotten reduced to bones. (but still kept on fighting) he got hurt by Thor's punches when the shield went down.



Wasn't the Shatterstar thing retconned? Or am I thinking of when Deadpool stabbed him in the eye?

And wasn't it D'Sparye or a similar entity that reduced Juggernaut to bones?

CosmicComet
D'Spayre was basically siphoning off whatever fraction of Cyttorak's energy Juggernaut has on him.

It's not like he simply reduced him to bones physically.

nwg202
You guys are missing the point. I was talking about the sentinel scan.

It's similar to this. This is just wolverine throwing a class 70 teenage Colossus knocking down classic juggs. He got knocked down. So what?

I'm pretty sure the sentinel is stronger than both wolverine and teenage Colossus since warmachine needed full power to break his grip.

nwg202
or this. This is the only thing i was saying. Colossus will get knocked down during his career as the juggernaut. If you guys are expecting Colossus to just keep on walking and pushing everyone out of his way, its not going to happen. Especially in a team setting where everyone needs to look like they contribute for the team to win. Same with Hope or Magik. w/o pis they can solo a lot of villians by themselves like thor or surfer. but they won't.

juggernaut74
Colossus actually knocked him down again right after that. But yea Colossus getting hit by a Sentinel don't mean anything really, big reach advantage to the Sentinel.

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