Skaar vs. Thunderstrike

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byrdgang21
Who wins?

Damborgson
I'm going with skaar.

zopzop
Thunderstrike all the way!

Damborgson
so close

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stick out tongue

zopzop
Originally posted by Damborgson
so close

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stick out tongue

Hush fool big grin

Thunderstrikes hammer and exotic energy attacks and mobility will put an end to that wannabe Hulk clone. I actually like Thunderstrike better than any Asgardian enhanced being save BRB.

Damborgson
Originally posted by zopzop
Hush fool big grin

Thunderstrikes hammer and exotic energy attacks and mobility will put an end to that wannabe Hulk clone. I actually like Thunderstrike better than any Asgardian enhanced being save BRB.
The old power will be a good counter for the hammer.
I would bet on Skaar ending it before letting Thunderstrike BFR him or something of the sort.
Using recent showings anyway....


http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/THUNDERSTRIKE_1_PREVIEW3.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110524183831/funnypic/images/thumb/a/a1/TrollFace-1-.png/310px-TrollFace-1-.png


now that said, same with me. smile Horse Face is my favorite Asgardian enhanced character followed by Thunderstrike.

zopzop
Originally posted by Damborgson
The old power will be a good counter for the hammer.
I would bet on Skaar ending it before letting Thunderstrike BFR him or something of the sort.
Using recent showings anyway....
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/THUNDERSTRIKE_1_PREVIEW3.jpg


WTH?! What is the context behind that scan? There is no way in hell TS loses to Rhino or even gets manhandled like that by him. Where is that from?



I see you have good taste in comic characters! thumb up

Damborgson
Originally posted by zopzop
WTH?! What is the context behind that scan? There is no way in hell TS loses to Rhino or even gets manhandled like that by him. Where is that from? Meh. Its Mastersons kid. Kevin Masterson. It's thunderstrike #1 I believe.





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cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
The old power will be a good counter for the hammer.
I would bet on Skaar ending it before letting Thunderstrike BFR him or something of the sort.
Using recent showings anyway....


http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/THUNDERSTRIKE_1_PREVIEW3.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110524183831/funnypic/images/thumb/a/a1/TrollFace-1-.png/310px-TrollFace-1-.png


now that said, same with me. smile Horse Face is my favorite Asgardian enhanced character followed by Thunderstrike.

BRB would massacre Thunderstrike.

But no shame in losing to Rhino. Guy was a Hulk villain.

Stoic
Skaar wins this handily, he went up against the Hulk, and caused all kinds of damage, no way T-Strike survives Kid Conan.

zopzop
Eric's kid is Thunderstrike?! WTH? How does he compare to his father? Is it the same power level?

Stoic
Originally posted by zopzop
Eric's kid is Thunderstrike?! WTH? How does he compare to his father? Is it the same power level?


I think so but even his pops didn't seem to be at Skaar's level of power. Think about it, Skaar already has decent natural body armor, but then he has the ability to increase it, as well as increase his strength by using the Old power. His power set kind of reminds me of Megan from Excaliber. Let's also not forget his crazy HF.

I re-read his origin, and Axeman bone did pulverize him, and he was able to reform. It wasn't Hiro Kala as some erroneously believe, I mean how could it be Hiro? Did you you see his face? If he had regen, his face wouldn't be all messed up like it is.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Stoic
Skaar wins this handily, he went up against the Hulk, and caused all kinds of damage, no way T-Strike survives Kid Conan. thumb up

guy222
skaar

jalek moye
Originally posted by Stoic
I think so but even his pops didn't seem to be at Skaar's level of power. Think about it, Skaar already has decent natural body armor, but then he has the ability to increase it, as well as increase his strength by using the Old power. His power set kind of reminds me of Megan from Excaliber. Let's also not forget his crazy HF.

I re-read his origin, and Axeman bone did pulverize him, and he was able to reform. It wasn't Hiro Kala as some erroneously believe, I mean how could it be Hiro? Did you you see his face? If he had regen, his face wouldn't be all messed up like it is.

No that scan in question I remember Hiro actually being there. Didn't he say that the boy wasn't son of Hulk, but just someone with the old power? Plus Skaar doesn't look like that in either form.

As we saw Skaar as a kid couldn't really talk, and at his normal state barely spoke let alone claimed titles. i remember the guy who got destroyed being with others already and claiming his title. Was just another person Axemen bone got wrong.


Doesn't Skaar have an actual regen feat against Hiro anyway?

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm
BRB would massacre Thunderstrike.

But no shame in losing to Rhino. Guy was a Hulk villain. Rhino is a jobber. Getting beat by him is pretty bad.

Nietzschean
Rhino attacked Kevin while his back was turned and had just saved a baby handing the baby to the mom. TS heard footsteps when he turned around he was sucker punched and pounded on by the rhino.. TS shrugged off the attack and was in shock when he saw his reflection. it was the 1st time he had transformed.

aside from that Thunderstrike(Eric) can hold his own and beat Skaar if he went into the fight serious and not trying to talk himself out of it.

zopzop
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Rhino attacked Kevin while his back was turned and had just saved a baby handing the baby to the mom. TS heard footsteps when he turned around he was sucker punched and pounded on by the rhino.. TS shrugged off the attack and was in shock when he saw his reflection. it was the 1st time he had transformed.


A ha! So there was context to that showing. Thank you Nietzschean!

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Rhino attacked Kevin while his back was turned and had just saved a baby handing the baby to the mom. TS heard footsteps when he turned around he was sucker punched and pounded on by the rhino.. TS shrugged off the attack and was in shock when he saw his reflection. it was the 1st time he had transformed.

thank you. Fine by me since I thought it wast stupid anyhow.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/thumbup.gif

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
thank you. Fine by me since I thought it wast stupid anyhow.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/thumbup.gif

always context.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i404/LordChaosKing/11-25-10-01-21.jpg
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Nietzschean
Thunderstrike manages to do a hail mary Mace bash and knocks out Mangog as they both fall into a spatial rift that Thor, grunny and TS had open during their fight against Mangog.

I think TS has the strength potential to knock out Skaar as well as the durability to take hits seeing as he had shrugged off and recovered and even ignored some hits from Mangog when Mangog pounded him into the ground and also attempted to crush him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ktaMrBK0Sp4/TbtQL2zpXeI/AAAAAAAAANQ/AQkHX4E6plA/s640/thunderstrike5a.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rVpoYO72sPY/TbtQMI5ac4I/AAAAAAAAANU/UthnTNMh6Ds/s640/thunderstrike5b.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kD_wK4E3C2w/TbtQMoYpIiI/AAAAAAAAANY/Au152kaIwzI/s640/thunderstrike5c.jpg

Stoic
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Thunderstrike manages to do a hail mary Mace bash and knocks out Mangog as they both fall into a spatial rift that Thor, grunny and TS had open during their fight against Mangog.

I think TS has the strength potential to knock out Skaar as well as the durability to take hits seeing as he had shrugged off and recovered and even ignored some hits from Mangog when Mangog pounded him into the ground and also attempted to crush him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ktaMrBK0Sp4/TbtQL2zpXeI/AAAAAAAAANQ/AQkHX4E6plA/s640/thunderstrike5a.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rVpoYO72sPY/TbtQMI5ac4I/AAAAAAAAANU/UthnTNMh6Ds/s640/thunderstrike5b.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kD_wK4E3C2w/TbtQMoYpIiI/AAAAAAAAANY/Au152kaIwzI/s640/thunderstrike5c.jpg


And you in no way believe that Mangog could have jobbed in Thunderstrike 5? All I can say is that time will tell, and if we see him get rocked by the Wrecker, Mr. Hyde, Tiger Shark or someone else in that power class, then job due to plot is what he did.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Stoic
And you in no way believe that Mangog could have jobbed in Thunderstrike 5? All I can say is that time will tell, and if we see him get rocked by the Wrecker, Mr. Hyde, Tiger Shark or someone else in that power class, then job due to plot is what he did.

Mangog didnt Job at all.. he took hits and kept coming at them all including the avengers..
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_07.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_08.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_11.jpg

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Mangog didnt Job at all.. he took hits and kept coming at them all including the avengers.. Tbf though he had already been beat on quite a bit. Brought to his knees by Thor, heavily stunned by Iroman...This mangog didnt seem to be anything like Jugens' version who was laughing off the Antiforce. (from outside anyway)

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
Tbf though he had already been beat on quite a bit. Brought to his knees by Thor, heavily stunned by Iroman...This mangog didnt seem to be anything like Jugens' version who was laughing off the Antiforce. (from outside anyway)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8443/ts14p.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7491/ts15.jpg


I'm just trying to solidify Thunderstrikes power class in certain kmc'ers minds.
But, in the series we saw Kevin mace Bash At least 2x's b4 Ironman powered up and shut down the city with his uniblast and still Mangog kept coming..

So we know Kevin can take hits from a fresh Mangog..

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_14.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_15.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_16.jpg

zopzop
@Nietzschean
cheers
Go TS Go! smile

Man so that's Eric's son? Eric is dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO sad

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8443/ts14p.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7491/ts15.jpg


I'm just trying to solidify Thunderstrikes power class in certain kmc'ers minds.
But, in the series we saw Kevin mace Bash At least 2x's b4 Ironman powered up and shut down the city with his uniblast and still Mangog kept coming..

So we know Kevin can take hits from a fresh Mangog..

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_14.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_15.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_16.jpg

Of course. But I think the both of us can agree that Thor is>>> This new Thunder strike right? I'm of the opinion that Jurgens Mangog is >> Current.



Thor vs Mangog a third time, from Thor vol. 2 #23:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog20v223.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

Thor vs Mangog rematch, from Thor vol. 2 #24:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog24v224.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog25.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog27.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog28v225.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog31.jpg

To be actually KO'D by that shot at the end isn't by any means something that would have happened to the mangog above. Or to be so easily hurt by Thor. While current Mangog is still a powerhouse, he's not what he used to be. And to say he is would imply a high amount of jobbing from him.

Damborgson
Originally posted by zopzop
@Nietzschean
cheers
Go TS Go! smile

Man so that's Eric's son? Eric is dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO sad I think the last time we saw Erik was back in the Busiek Avengers days. He got reanimated as some sort of zombie by the grim reaper or something similar.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course. But I think the both of us can agree that Thor is>>> This new Thunder strike right? I'm of the opinion that Jurgens Mangog is >> Current.


To be actually KO'D by that shot at the end isn't by any means something that would have happened to the mangog above. Or to be so easily hurt by Thor. While current Mangog is still a powerhouse, he's not what he used to be. And to say he is would imply a high amount of jobbing from him.

Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..


I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o

Stoic
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..


I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o

I need to see more of T-Strike before cementing my opinion, but I think Skaar would take him, if he went at him the way that he went at the Hulk. Perhaps I was hasty when I said that he could take him handily, but I do think he would take him. Time will tell all though.

cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
Rhino is a jobber. Getting beat by him is pretty bad.

He's a big time jobber, but stats wise he "should" be able to hold his own with mid to upper mid tier bricks.

To a point he doesn't because of CIS, but there's PIS involved too..

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..


I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o
Skaar is no hulk, but his old power would even the fight against the magic of the mace. I agree though that its not like TS is a non factor or something.


Well here is the fight between Mangog and Thor

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_07.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_08.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_09.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_10.jpg

Being downed by lightning even momentarily isn't a good showing for Mangog. Not when in his earlier fights he took the antiforce from behind and was hardly stunned. He was cut by wolverine and stabbed by that Asgardian. Thats just not right. Or something I would see happening to Jurgens Mangog.

I agree but only with current Mangog. Jurgens Mangog was hitting hard enough to treat Thor like a rag doll.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog20v223.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

^He had Thor dead to rights. Thor wasn't even able to faxe him with anything besides the bolt.

Even if current Mangog wasn't really concentrated on Thor at the moment, being stunned and brought down like that for long enough that Thor and Kevin had a conversation isn't a something that would happen to Jurgens Mangog.

TO ME its fairly obvious that Mangog is no longer at the same level he was. Whether it be jobbing or whatever reason.

Um I actually never noticed that. blink Thats....huh. I just dont see how Mangog can be worthy lol.

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm
He's a big time jobber, but stats wise he "should" be able to hold his own with mid to upper mid tier bricks.

To a point he doesn't because of CIS, but there's PIS involved too.. this is true.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Stoic
I need to see more of T-Strike before cementing my opinion, but I think Skaar would take him, if he went at him the way that he went at the Hulk. Perhaps I was hasty when I said that he could take him handily, but I do think he would take him. Time will tell all though.

i actually think Skaar would beat Kevin 7/10 b/c Kevin isnt really a fighter and while he has had scraps in school with bullies, Skaar was on sakaar trying to survive.

Kevin just lacks too much experience and feats to have him winning especially if Skaar using his sword. O_o"

but, I do think Kevin would make skaar work for his wins and not fold like a lawn chair, the kid is too bull headed and brave to let that happen.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
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I just think u are focusing too much on the art and collateral damage they caused in their old fight and not all fights need to be drawn at that level to show how powerful the opponents are.

this is how i see it, Thor brings down a ton of lightning and Mangog stands there ranting not b/c he is slowed down by the lightning but b/c he just doesnt care and doesnt notice it.

the Mace Bash arent that bad Kevin is hitting him as hard as he can with all his strength both hands a leap and a prayer putting his weight behind it. I dont think it takes anything away from Mangog who was ignoring their previous blows with one or two hands while trying not to take a direct hit from Mangog.

I mean if Thor has to flight blitz to knock him down and exchange quick dialogue , great for Mangog. we seen in previous fights that a jump kick to the face from Thor did get Mangog's attention and a flight blitz to the gut should also do something.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I just think u are focusing too much on the art and collateral damage they caused in their old fight and not all fights need to be drawn at that level to show how powerful the opponents are.

this is how i see it, Thor brings down a ton of lightning and Mangog stands there ranting not b/c he is slowed down by the lightning but b/c he just doesnt care and doesnt notice it.

the Mace Bash arent that bad Kevin is hitting him as hard as he can with all his strength both hands a leap and a prayer putting his weight behind it. I dont think it takes anything away from Mangog who was ignoring their previous blows with one or two hands while trying not to take a direct hit from Mangog.

I mean if Thor has to flight blitz to knock him down and exchange quick dialogue , great for Mangog. we seen in previous fights that a jump kick to the face from Thor did get Mangog's attention and a flight blitz to the gut should also do something.

No, I'm basing it off the damage done to Thor and how Mangog resisted the attacks better than he did against Thunderstrike who is fairly weaker than Thor. He KO'd Mangog with one shot. Collateral damage is nice but for the most part not what matters.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog28v225.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg

Thor got in a MINIMUM of 3 all out shots. 1 of which caught Mangog off guard. Even if we factor in the damage he took from the others, it still wouldn't have been enough to constitute a KO. It was jobbing. mangog was cut and stabbed by wolverine and that Asgardian also. Unless there was some special propert to the blade then that shouldn't have happened. And Wolverine cutting him most certainly shouldn't have happened. Thor didn't just knock him over or something. He stunned him for a long period of time. Sure Mangog recovered, but considering what he has taken before and recovered even quicker:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

^ That would imply jobbing by Mangog again.

I'm not downplaying Thor. A bull rush should have still been enough to Knock him over or something. But Mangog was hurt. He needed a good amount of time to recover and while he was down Thor even stood on his head...(which was awesome)

To me that issue was not so much a showing of Thunderstrikes power as much as it was a ver obvious showing of Mangog jobbing. Not downplaying Thunderstrikes power either but you have to agree....that was not an average for what Mangog has taken.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by zopzop
A ha! So there was context to that showing. Thank you Nietzschean! this is how the new ts mini ended

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1842610-thunderstrike_5.jpg

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
this is how the new ts mini ended

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1842610-thunderstrike_5.jpg did they fight again? Or did it just leave in cool cliffhanger image lol?

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
did they fight again? Or did it just leave in cool cliffhanger image lol? cliffhanger image.

i dont know to me it wasnt much of a jobbing.. since to me a hail marry all out jumping mace smash is different than the a swinging bat swing.. u seem to be too focused on how u want Mangog represented in the fight rather than the power class he was shown to be at.

I think u be pissed if u saw how Marvel represented Mangog in a what if with eric Masterson and the avengers fighting him if u have issues with him in this story.

I have no problem with Wolverine or Grunny piercing it. it's wolverine shtick and grunny had a sharp magic asgardian sword which is probably adamantium.

has Mangog faced piercing damage in the past?

Stoic
Originally posted by Nietzschean
i actually think Skaar would beat Kevin 7/10 b/c Kevin isnt really a fighter and while he has had scraps in school with bullies, Skaar was on sakaar trying to survive.

Kevin just lacks too much experience and feats to have him winning especially if Skaar using his sword. O_o"

but, I do think Kevin would make skaar work for his wins and not fold like a lawn chair, the kid is too bull headed and brave to let that happen.


I agree with this. Kevin is no paper weight.

cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
No, I'm basing it off the damage done to Thor and how Mangog resisted the attacks better than he did against Thunderstrike who is fairly weaker than Thor. He KO'd Mangog with one shot. Collateral damage is nice but for the most part not what matters.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog28v225.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg

Thor got in a MINIMUM of 3 all out shots. 1 of which caught Mangog off guard. Even if we factor in the damage he took from the others, it still wouldn't have been enough to constitute a KO. It was jobbing. mangog was cut and stabbed by wolverine and that Asgardian also. Unless there was some special propert to the blade then that shouldn't have happened. And Wolverine cutting him most certainly shouldn't have happened. Thor didn't just knock him over or something. He stunned him for a long period of time. Sure Mangog recovered, but considering what he has taken before and recovered even quicker:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

^ That would imply jobbing by Mangog again.

I'm not downplaying Thor. A bull rush should have still been enough to Knock him over or something. But Mangog was hurt. He needed a good amount of time to recover and while he was down Thor even stood on his head...(which was awesome)

To me that issue was not so much a showing of Thunderstrikes power as much as it was a ver obvious showing of Mangog jobbing. Not downplaying Thunderstrikes power either but you have to agree....that was not an average for what Mangog has taken.

Pretty much agree with all of this.

TBH, if we go by classic Mangog showings, even Thor's beatdown of Mangog could be seen as jobbing, despite its awesomeness. But yeah, it took an insane amount of punishment and Mangog having his guard down to accomplish it.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
cliffhanger image.

i dont know to me it wasnt much of a jobbing.. since to me a hail marry all out jumping mace smash is different than the a swinging bat swing.. u seem to be too focused on how u want Mangog represented in the fight rather than the power class he was shown to be at.

I think u be pissed if u saw how Marvel represented Mangog in a what if with eric Masterson and the avengers fighting him if u have issues with him in this story.

I have no problem with Wolverine or Grunny piercing it. it's wolverine shtick and grunny had a sharp magic asgardian sword which is probably adamantium.

has Mangog faced piercing damage in the past?

k.

meh you can call it what you want. But a character weaker than Thor, using one melee attack to put down Mangog who took 3-4 arguably stronger blows in succession does not add up.


I want him to be at the level he was at before. And he was not. Thats why Mangog jobbed. Or some unexplained weakness or whatever. Point being: Mangog was not as powerful as he was.

Nah. As long as its a what if idc. I like Thunderstrike and I'm not attempting to downplay him. I'm just saying this was not a good showing for Mangog. A pretty weak one intact.

Difference in opinion I guess.

Well Asgardian blades and such. Not sure of any other real concrete specific weapon piercing feats though.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by cdtm
Pretty much agree with all of this.

TBH, if we go by classic Mangog showings, even Thor's beatdown of Mangog could be seen as jobbing, despite its awesomeness.



http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MarvelFanfare051-37.jpg

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm

TBH, if we go by classic Mangog showings, even Thor's beatdown of Mangog could be seen as jobbing, despite its awesomeness. But yeah, it took an insane amount of punishment and Mangog having his guard down to accomplish it. NO. Its different because this THOR we are talking about.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/durthor.gif

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
k.

meh you can call it what you want. But a character weaker than Thor, using one melee attack to put down Mangog who took 3-4 arguably stronger blows in succession does not add up.


I want him to be at the level he was at before. And he was not. Thats why Mangog jobbed. Or some unexplained weakness or whatever. Point being: Mangog was not as powerful as he was.

Nah. As long as its a what if idc. I like Thunderstrike and I'm not attempting to downplay him. I'm just saying this was not a good showing for Mangog. A pretty weak one intact.

Difference in opinion I guess.

Well Asgardian blades and such. Not sure of any other real concrete specific weapon piercing feats though.

how about if we reinterpret the picture and just say that TS manage to slightly stagger him back more from surprise of the attack than the brunt of the attack and he stepped back on his own. he didnt pass out but simply fell back since he is in space with no footing, is that better?

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
how about if we reinterpret the picture and just say that TS manage to slightly stagger him back more from surprise of the attack than the brunt of the attack and he stepped back on his own. he didnt pass out but simply fell back since he is in space with no footing, is that better? It would be. If that were what happened. :/

But it didn't unfortunately. He got Ko'd.

Nietzschean
I really want to see more Thunderstrike stories in the future and i hope Defalco doesnt screw the pooch like he did Eric in his series..

Damborgson
I do 2. TS is still a badass. Even though I preferred Erik.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Damborgson
I do 2. TS is still a badass. Even though I preferred Erik. me too.. I was torn between them not reviving characters and reviving them.

Never bn a fan of the bringing back dead heroes.. its sloppy writing most of the time. but, for years i was hoping for Eric to make a come back even though I knew he had crossed over where even Odin couldnt bring him back if he wanted too. I was hoping for a time travel paradox/alternate reality.

I dont know why so many Thor fans disliked Eric, cause i am a heavy Thor fan and I liked Eric..


by the way it is Eric with a C... not a K.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Nietzschean
me too.. I was torn between them not reviving characters and reviving them.

Never bn a fan of the bringing back dead heroes.. its sloppy writing most of the time. but, for years i was hoping for Eric to make a come back even though I knew he had crossed over where even Odin couldnt bring him back if he wanted too. I was hoping for a time travel paradox/alternate reality.

I dont know why so many Thor fans disliked Eric, cause i am a heavy Thor fan and I liked Eric..


by the way it is Eric with a C... not a K.

I just don't like it when they are recklessly killed. What was the point of killing Thor? He'll be back in January. :/ Stupid.

That'd be good. I just want to have him back in action ha...

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/uhuh.gif EriK needs to make a comeback.















































Eric

quanchi112
Skaar wins.

JakeTheBank
Skaar.

Eric as Thor would win, though.

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