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Fight in a neutral universe.

What issues did the Rift and Dharma appear

couple issues of supes. milestone forever. probably team dc. better feats.

which issues friend

These ones listed in his profile.

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Where feats are concerned, Abraxas and CK are borderline non-factors, imo- the Marquis is the trump card for the Marvel team.

Not sure what happens when he faces 2 beings capable of destroying/creating universes + the embodiment of death..?

which issues did rift and dharma appear

Hey there friends,
just a little bit of info on the Marvel side for Abraxas that may help in decisions.

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Abraxas had the embodiments of all Time & Space helpless against him,
in fact seeking help against Abraxas.

Abraxas was folding and thus collapsing entire Universes just by approaching them,
and in fact, collapsed many Universes in the story.
How many? Unknown, but the Multiverse entire was derailing cause of Abraxas.

Abraxas proved
he can affect reality across ALL realities simultaneously and effortlessly.

Oh,
and literally in the Abraxas arc only the UN was able to defeat him,
at the cost of having to reboot all creation though by nullifying him.

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If anyone doesn't know about MOD or CK, let me know,
I'll blast the thread with the scanned feats available,
although, Abraxas (scans as well) and MOD are the monsters here.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where feats are concerned, Abraxas and CK are borderline non-factors, imo- the Marquis is the trump card for the Marvel team.

Not sure what happens when he faces 2 beings capable of destroying/creating universes + the embodiment of death..?

Which is why I give team 1 the win.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas had the embodiments of all Time & Space helpless against him,
in fact seeking help against Abraxas.

But then again, Eternity of 616 was put into a coma by Nightmare and needed Dr. Strange's help to free himself. Eternity of 616 was put into a headlock and choked out by the Ancient One.





To be fair, he didn't face off against any cosmics in that arc except alternate versions of Galactus (we don't know how powerful they are compared to 616 or what state of hunger they were in).

Regarding CK, the most powerful foes he faced off against were a hungry Galactus and skyfather level beings. No other cosmics took notice of him. I think even the Watcher ignored him (not too sure though).


Having said that, I still think Team 2 wins. MoD, depending on how you view that scan of him and his good self facing off, is an absolute monster. Nekron is Team 1's weak link.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nekron is Team 1's weak link. I wouldn't necessarily say that. Nekron literally had one 'weakness' that team 2 has no way to exploit. /shrug

As for the MoD: while he is a powerhouse, he also expended nearly all of his energies when he got into a universal 'warp-off' with his younger (and FAR less experienced) self. I can only assume that either Dharma or Rift (whom are each very seasoned reality warpers) would force the MoD to apply himself just as hard- likely much harder. Having said that, even IF MoD comes out on top (big if) he'll be easily dealt with by the remaining two.

Originally posted by zopzop

But then again,

1) Eternity of 616 was put into a coma by Nightmare and needed Dr. Strange's help to free himself.
1) Yea, via stipulation a lot of dumb crap happens. (like Dormy/Umar is good ie.)

Nightmare used Eternity's own self against him by empowering himself
with a good portion of Earth life (sentient beings) via "dreams,"
This in turn put Eternity to sleep, where Nightmare had control
since Eternity is the consciousness of those sentient beings.

How was Nightmare able to this though, is he that powerful?

He's not that powerful and he'll never be able to pull that stunt again, ever.

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It was Eternity himself who permitted Humans to explore other Dimensions by "mind exploration"
this opened a Doorway to Nightmare's realm who fed on the sleeping Humans and thus ... hello stipulation.

You realize the PIS when Dr Strange who exalts Eternity as a "god" ...

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... who himself sees Eternity holding entire UniverseS Past Present and Future in one hand.

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is saving Eternity.

That aside,
in the story Dr Strange owned Nightmare in his own realm in one page,
which further supports that the idea of Nightmare being able to affect Eternity in any way
must come through stipulated circumstances, ... or in others, good ol' PIS!

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Originally posted by zopzop

2) Eternity of 616 was put into a headlock and choked out by the Ancient One.

2) First, Eternity was neither choked out nor harmed in any way shape or form.
The Ancient One scenario was the artist depicting a battle of wills over a decision.

(Eternity simply turned away and began to ponder)

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"He" (Eternity) will consider. ... Perhaps the Cosmos will find wisdom in our deeds"

The Ancient One wasn't battling Eternity for Eternity and the Ancient One are one.
The Ancient One was trying to convince Eternity to consider Dr Strange's plea,
by reminding Eternity of all the good they've done,
which he did, but interestingly Eternity also tells Dr Strange, "good job"
and then when Eternity leaves the Ancient one say's he has to leave also,
because he and Eternity are one, while the artists draws Ancient One's face on Eternity's body.

The Ancient also tells Dr Strange that this was all a test,
and Eternity tells Strange it was all a dream.

So go figure ...

Anyway, with a thought,
Eternity re-created Planet Earth & it's entire history (human and more included) from beginning to present.

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And apparently in the end,
Eternity and the Ancient One were in cahoots to develop a better Strange.

Originally posted by Mr Master

It was Eternity himself who permitted Humans to explore other Dimensions by "mind exploration"
this opened a Doorway to Nightmare's realm who fed on the sleeping Humans and thus ... hello stipulation.

One third of humanity being asleep gives Nightmare the power to comatose Eternity? LOL. Sad and pathetic.



Yes and Strange has also acknowledged Thor and Odin among others as gods.



Ancient One overpowered Eternity (headlock and choked out) in a battle of wills! Think about what you are saying here. I also find it hilarious that he's able to join himself to Eternity and Eternity is unable to stop him, a mortal wizard, from joining his essence to that of Eternity himself. So pathetic.

whatever happened to the ao

he got old fast

hmm

Originally posted by zopzop

One third of humanity being asleep gives Nightmare the power to comatose Eternity?
LOL. Sad and pathetic.
Yea,
trying to come up with stipulations which involves an ant taking down a dinosaur isn't easy,
and evidently as you so eloquently pointed out, results in pathetic sadness.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes and Strange has also acknowledged Thor and Odin among others as gods.
Let me know when Odin and/or Thor "embody everything on all levels of creation" ...
... or "hold entire UniverseS in one hand" ...

You're joking with this right ... at the vain attempt at demeaning Eternity?
Originally posted by zopzop

Ancient One overpowered Eternity (headlock and choked out) in a battle of wills!

Think about what you are saying here.
I don't have to think about it again since I would've never posted it without doing so initially,
but thanx on the advice.

That aside,
I challenge you to produce where in any comic book did Ancient One "choke out" Eternity.

I have the book scanned a click away,
please tell me where to find this mysterious depiction
so I can post it and learn something new today from a story I've known of for years.

The book that I have, the story that I have, Ancient One never "choked out"
nor hurt Eternity at any time in any way.

In fact,
all Ancient One did was change Eternity's decision,
a decision that Ancient One shares in making since he is one with Eternity.

This is immediately after, Eternity is not hurt, and in fact,
he's clearly making a decision, even Ancient One tells us the same.

You must've missed this, here ... again ... (click on thumbnail please)

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Anyhow,
this is why Eternity said it was all a dream
and Ancient One said it was all a test for Dr Strange.
Originally posted by zopzop

I also find it hilarious that he's able to join himself to Eternity
and Eternity is unable to stop him, a mortal wizard,
from joining his essence to that of Eternity himself. So pathetic.
I see now you don't know much about the Ancient One
or this story for that matter to be saying that.

Anyway, Ancient One was allowed by Eternity to join him.

He ain't the first. At best they can council Eternity on a decision,
or perhaps intervene in someway in the dilemma of a lesser being,
but outrank and/or out power/control Eternity?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea,
trying to come up with stipulations which involves an ant taking down a dinosaur isn't easy,
and evidently as you so eloquently pointed out, results in pathetic sadness.


So all it takes for Nightmare to KO Eternity is harnessing 1/3 of sleeping humanity's power? Sh|t imagine if he harnessed 1/2, Eternity would be nothing but a memory.



I was addressing your point about Strange calling Eternity a "god" as if it means anything special. It doesn't.



It was right there on panel. AO chocked out Eternity by putting him in a headlock! Of course it was how Dr. Strange's mind perceived that battle of wills but that's how Strange saw the fight going down.

Again, AO being "allowed" by Eternity to join with him then later that same being overpowers Eternity's will and saves his pupil from Eternity's wrath. Incredibly pathetic.

Originally posted by zopzop

So all it takes for Nightmare to KO Eternity is harnessing 1/3 of sleeping humanity's power?
Sh|t imagine if he harnessed 1/2, Eternity would be nothing but a memory.
You're need for sarcasm is clouding your understanding.

Eternity was the one that opened humanity's mind to Nightmare's realm amongst others,
in order for them to explore the cosmos.

Yea,
it's a stupid ass Plot Device but it will never happen again
cause Eternity assured that avenue was closed.

That aside, ease up dude, this comic came out in 1976, damn!

Uhh, many things have changed since then,
Originally posted by zopzop

I was addressing your point about Strange calling Eternity a "god"
as if it means anything special. It doesn't.
You used a horrible comparison to make your point.

Thinking that Strange calling Odin/Thor "God" and meaning it
in the same sense as when he calls Eternity "God" is laughable.

Eternity/Infinity being called "god" makes more sense, not the other.
Originally posted by zopzop

It was right there on panel.

AO chocked out Eternity by putting him in a headlock!

Of course it was how Dr. Strange's mind perceived that battle of wills
but that's how Strange saw the fight going down.
Yea, right there on panel?

Show me where "on panel" AO "choked out" Eternity?

Or are you talking about Eternity simply walking away without a scratch,
un-harmed,
and very conscious since claiming he was "choked out" is an absolute fallacy.

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Originally posted by zopzop

Again, AO being "allowed" by Eternity to join with him then later
that same being overpowers Eternity's will and saves his pupil from
Eternity's wrath. Incredibly pathetic.
He didn't overpower Eternity in anyway, that's where you're confused.

Ancient One and Eternity are one,
Ancient was involved in this matter since issue #10,
Ancient One had a say in this dilemma his pupil was involved.
So Eternity considered his position because of this.

Like doing a friend a favor only this friend is literally a part of you.

Again, it was Eternity's decision, and Ancient One clearly points that out.

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"He" (Eternity) will consider. ... Perhaps the Cosmos will find wisdom in our deeds"

Please read the damn scan or I'm ignoring this debate.