Savage Hulk vs Lord Mar-vell - fist fight

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carver9
Who would win in a fist fight between Lord Mar-vell or Savage Hulk? No bfring and Savage Hulk just witnessed Mar-vell killing Betty.

TheLordofMurder
Savage Hulk rips him apart limb by limb, cracks his skull wide open, consumes his brain, then takes a nasty green dump down Lord Mar-vells throat...

Damborgson
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Savage Hulk rips him apart limb by limb, cracks his skull wide open, consumes his brain, then takes a nasty green dump down Lord Mar-vells throat... http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/Gokuderaluver/awkward.gif

Don Corleone
Regular Mar-Vell staggered Hulk in H2H.

quanchi112
Mar-vell wins.

JakeTheBank
Hulk.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Regular Mar-Vell staggered Hulk in H2H. thumb up

TheHulk
HULK SMASH!!!

sean724
Bump

Mistress-Death
Reg Marv could hang we Savage Hulk, Lord Marvell would kill Hulk there is not much Hulk can do to put Lord Marvell down

carver9
Savage Hulk wins.

dmills
Lord Mar-vell rips his head off.

Kid Kurdy
Originally posted by carver9
Who would win in a fist fight between Lord Mar-vell or Savage Hulk? No bfring and Savage Hulk just witnessed Mar-vell killing Betty.
Under these conditions: Savage Hulk.

Bouboumaster
Lord Mar-Vell would murder Hulk

Stoic
This is a fist fight only? Hulk would dominate.

Kid Kurdy
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Lord Mar-Vell would murder Hulk
No he wouldn't, he would just annoy him.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by dmills
Lord Mar-vell rips his head off.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
Reg Marv could hang we Savage Hulk, Lord Marvell would kill Hulk there is not much Hulk can do to put Lord Marvell down I think Mar-Vell is a criminally overlooked character on these forums and in general, but only Thanos rivals the beatdowns Hulk gave Mar-Vell:

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Captain Marvel
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), from Captain Marvel #21:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel01CaptainMarvel21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel05.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) rematch, from Incredible Hulk #245-46:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel06245.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel07246.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel10.jpg

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think Mar-Vell is a criminally overlooked character on these forums and in general, but only Thor rivals the beatdowns Thanos gave Mar-Vell: Fixed

Stoic
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Regular Mar-Vell staggered Hulk in H2H.


With a cheap shot from behind?

h1a8
Savage Hulk at his best would stomp a hole in Lord Marvell

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Fixed crackers

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sneer

Igniz
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think Mar-Vell is a criminally overlooked character on these forums and in general, but only Thanos rivals the beatdowns Hulk gave Mar-Vell:

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Captain Marvel
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), from Captain Marvel #21:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel01CaptainMarvel21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel05.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) rematch, from Incredible Hulk #245-46:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel06245.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel07246.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel10.jpg

confused

carver9
Hulk one shotted him...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel02.jpg

Scan is also proof that Hulk has super speed.

zopzop
Lord Mar-vell. What's to stop him from enchanting his fists like Zeus did to cancel out Hulk's healing factor then destroying Hulk physically?

janus77
The fact that he's not a high skyfather?

What's to stop Hulk from ripping Mar-vell in two pieces?

Mistress-Death
Savage Hulk has been ko'd by Iron Man and Captain America, Lord Marvell destroys him

Stoic
^ Yep all characters seem to have low points, for instance Thanos was sucking dirt after Squirrel Girl beat the tar out of him. This is why we use the characters medium to best showings, as to not attempt to low ball the character like you just did. Mar-Vell lacks any H2H feats to say that he beats anyone on Savage Hulk's level in a H2H match. Without amplification via magic from the angled freaks. Mar-Vell may just be as powerful or strong a his predecessor. Who can tell.

Mistress-Death
First off who cares about Thanos he's not in this thread, so stop being so butthurt about him

Second Marvell has no real low feats and to say he may be at the same lvl physically as classic Marvell is lulz worthy as he is the avatar of the gods of a entire universe

carver9
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
First off who cares about Thanos he's not in this thread, so stop being so butthurt about him

Second Marvell has no real low feats and to say he may be at the same lvl physically as classic Marvell is lulz worthy as he is the avatar of the gods of a entire universe

Show us some physical fts.

Sirius77
Yeah, I see where you're going with that carv, and I agree tbh.

Fighting Nova... that's really his highest physical feat. The rest is just energy manip. I don't even see how that's even debatable, as that is all that happened on panel.

People keep bringing up hulk's lowest feats and completely disregarding his highest, and mid range ones in an attempt to make LMV look more physically comparable. However, on panel, he really isn't physically far above surfer if we are objective and go by on panel showings, and don't misconstrue energy manip as physical might, or use conjecture as fact. So if we are turning this into h2h, and disregarding LMV's exotic abilities, then Savage Hulk should win every time in a h2h battle. I see no reason as to why such a stance would be unreasonable...

Stoic
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
First off who cares about Thanos he's not in this thread, so stop being so butthurt about him

Second Marvell has no real low feats and to say he may be at the same lvl physically as classic Marvell is lulz worthy as he is the avatar of the gods of a entire universe


I know who you are. I have no idea why the Mods have not banned you, and this particular sock account.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
I know who you are. I have no idea why the Mods have not banned you, and this particular sock account.

I been known who that person was as well and can't believe he isn't banned. I kind.of enjoy his entertainment though.

big grin

Nihilist
Though LM doesnt have punching feats, Savage Hulk cant put guys of his power lvl down

Stoic
Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah, I see where you're going with that carv, and I agree tbh.

Fighting Nova... that's really his highest physical feat. The rest is just energy manip. I don't even see how that's even debatable, as that is all that happened on panel.

People keep bringing up hulk's lowest feats and completely disregarding his highest, and mid range ones in an attempt to make LMV look more physically comparable. However, on panel, he really isn't physically far above surfer if we are objective and go by on panel showings, and don't misconstrue energy manip as physical might, or use conjecture as fact. So if we are turning this into h2h, and disregarding LMV's exotic abilities, then Savage Hulk should win every time in a h2h battle. I see no reason as to why such a stance would be unreasonable...


thumb up

janus77
Originally posted by Nihilist
Though LM doesnt have punching feats, Savage Hulk cant put guys of his power lvl down
He scares the shit out of Thanos, that's gotta count for something, right? wink


Savage Hulk >> Nightmare (on multiple occasions, including in Nightmare's realm), Galaxy Master, a couple of Elders, Thor... I don't see how Lord Marv is anything significant here.

Nihilist
Originally posted by janus77
He scares the shit out of Thanos, that's gotta count for something, right? wink


Savage Hulk >> Nightmare (on multiple occasions, including in Nightmare's realm), Galaxy Master, a couple of Elders, Thor... I don't see how Lord Marv is anything significant here. Do you wanna show where he scared the shit out of Thanos.

Nightmare laughing out loud when has he been anything of note.

Galaxy Master was nothing special at all, same can be said of the Elders the only time they have had any good feats is when they had the gems.

Youre comparing Thor to Lord Marvell!! Thor wouldnt be able to almost kill all the Annihilators with a single blast.

Stoic
^ This is however a H2H thread. Marvell has no H2H feats, or strength feats to hold him in such high esteem. Thor, and Savage Hulk on the other hand have a list of huge H2H, and strength feats longer than Three Mile Island.

Nihilist
Originally posted by Stoic
^ This is however a H2H thread. Marvell has no H2H feats, or strength feats to hold him in such high esteem. Thor, and Savage Hulk on the other hand have a list of huge H2H, and strength feats longer than Three Mile Island. So because this is Hulk in this thread we ignore what is total common sense right.

Normal Marvell wasnt destroyed by Savage Hulk easily and Hulk has enough lower showing to to say he can be put down early, Lord Marvells power was clearly heavily increased as being avatar of life/cancerverse gods, so why wont his strength.

Kid Kurdy
Originally posted by Stoic
^ This is however a H2H thread. Marvell has no H2H feats, or strength feats to hold him in such high esteem. Thor, and Savage Hulk on the other hand have a list of huge H2H, and strength feats longer than Three Mile Island.
Indeed.

As powerful as he may be, he has no physical strength feats to speak of.

As far as we know, he could be as strong as Luke Cage.

Stoic
Originally posted by Nihilist
So because this is Hulk in this thread we ignore what is total common sense right.

Normal Marvell wasnt destroyed by Savage Hulk easily and Hulk has enough lower showing to to say he can be put down early, Lord Marvells power was clearly heavily increased as being avatar of life/cancerverse gods, so why wont his strength.


Savage Hulk one shot KO'd Cap MarVell. It's right there in the scans that were provided earlier in this thread.

vince_slice
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Indeed.

As powerful as he may be, he has no physical strength feats to speak of.

As far as we know, he could be as strong as Luke Cage.

If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.

Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.

Nihilist
Originally posted by Stoic
Savage Hulk one shot KO'd Cap MarVell. It's right there in the scans that were provided earlier in this thread. He wasnt fully ko'd and Hulk left the fight straight after

Stoic
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.

Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.



Being more powerful could just mean that his energy output was far greater. It does not have to mean that his strength output was. There is concrete evidence that LM had greater energy output, as this was seen on panel, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest that he was a physical power house. Nor is it obvious that he was. Savage Hulk on the other hand one shot destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, while LM was easily physically subdued. Where is the proof to say that he was monstrously strong?

Originally posted by Nihilist
He wasnt fully ko'd and Hulk left the fight straight after


He was out of it, and if the Hulk continued for any amount of time, he would have destroyed him. Cap MarVell was easily put away.

Nihilist
Savage Hulk never destroyed the asteroid, it was Gry Hulk and he was aided.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk. So if a character lack's strength feats we have to automatically assume he's weaker? Pretty stupid and illogical if you ask me, especially when it was heavily implied Mar-vell was leagues above his 616 counterpart power-wise.

Super strength was part of the original Captain Marvel's powerset, and Lord Mar-vell is vastly more powerful than Captain Marvel, why wouldn't his strength be much greater as well? There's always something called common sense.

Well thing is that Zeus may not have had many strengths feats but its was more quality over quantity for example physically matching and then overpowering Thor when they fought.

vince_slice
Originally posted by Stoic
Being more powerful could just mean that his energy output was far greater. It does not have to mean that his strength output was. There is concrete evidence that LM had greater energy output, as this was seen on panel, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest that he was a physical power house. Nor is it obvious that he was. Savage Hulk on the other hand one shot destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, while LM was easily physically subdued. Where is the proof to say that he was monstrously strong?

It's called common sense; by your "feats only" logic, Savage Hulk should be stronger than Zeus, because Zeus has never one-shotted anything like an asteroid twice the size of earth. But that wasn't the case when they clashed H2H. In fact by your logic Savage Hulk should be stronger than WBH because destroying an asteroid twice the size of a planet is > than destroying one planet. Sound's kind of stupid to me. You also have to take into account the character's implied power.

Are you assuming Lord Mar-vell's strength is no greater than the original Captain Marvel's?

Kid Kurdy
Originally posted by vince_slice
If he has no strength feats than he could be either extremely strong or extremely weak, it could go both ways, why assume he's weak then? Doing so just shows your bias against the character. Zeus didn't have many strength feats, yet he physically beat the living tar out of Hulk.
Bias ? What bias ? I liked the storyline and have nothing against Lord Mar-Vell.

But again, I have seen nothing to suggest that he can hang with a classic powerhouse like savage hulk. Not with his fists only.


Yeah we'll just assume he's at least as strong as savage hulk, that makes much more sense...

Besides, 616 Captain Marvel was, strengthwise, never a match for Hulk, not even on his best day when fighting a weak hulk.

So I give Lord Mar-Vell a physical strength boost. Like it will make a difference.

Stoic
Originally posted by Nihilist
Savage Hulk never destroyed the asteroid, it was Gry Hulk and he was aided.

Do you have the scans? The Hulk looked green from what I recall, unless there was a printing error in the book that I saw. What was the aid that you are speaking of, and how does it remove the strength feat? Joe Fixit is also the Grey Hulk persona, who happens to speak like a gangster. The Hulk that destroyed the asteroid spoke like a 9 year old child. Savage Hulk also speaks like a 9 year old child, so which persona destroyed the asteroid?

Stoic
Originally posted by vince_slice
It's called common sense; by your "feats only" logic, Savage Hulk should be stronger than Zeus, because Zeus has never one-shotted anything like an asteroid twice the size of earth. But that wasn't the case when they clashed H2H. In fact by your logic Savage Hulk should be stronger than WBH because destroying an asteroid twice the size of a planet is > than destroying one planet. Sound's kind of stupid to me. You also have to take into account the character's implied power.

Are you assuming Lord Mar-vell's strength is no greater than the original Captain Marvel's?

There is no proof that to show what level of strength LM was.

Zeus did not fight a Hulk that went all out, but one who was there pleading for help. Zeus would have still won, but it would not have been in the way that it was shown. The context was all there.

WB Hulk was indeed more powerful than the Hulk that destroyed the asteroid.

Lord MarVell is no Zeus. Let's not get carried away.

Nihilist
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you have the scans? The Hulk looked green from what I recall, unless there was a printing error in the book that I saw. What was the aid that you are speaking of, and how does it remove the strength feat? Joe Fixit is also the Grey Hulk persona, who happens to speak like a gangster. The Hulk that destroyed the asteroid spoke like a 9 year old child. Savage Hulk also speaks like a 9 year old child, so which persona destroyed the asteroid? laughing out loud arent you the big Hulk fan? its in the respect thread even stated as grey Hulk.

The aid was being propelled by rockects into space giving him extra momentum

vince_slice
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Bias ? What bias ? I liked the storyline and have nothing against Lord Mar-Vell.

But again, I have seen nothing to suggest that he can hang with a classic powerhouse like savage hulk. Not with his fists only.
Yeah because when you're uncertain of a character's strength level, automatically assuming he has to be weaker in order to suit your opinion shows you're not biased against him at all, especially when evidence implies the opposite... roll eyes (sarcastic)




Yeah the fact that he's portrayed as vastly more powerful than the original Mar-vell and almost one-shotting Nova with full powered shields up with a single amped punch implies Lord Mar-vell is Luke Cage level strength according to you..roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)...nope you're not biased against him at all.



Yeah because the gap in power between the original Captain Marvel and Lord Mar-vell isn't that big right? Nah it's tiny....roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)

Stoic
Originally posted by Nihilist
laughing out loud arent you the big Hulk fan? its in the respect thread even stated as grey Hulk.

The aid was being propelled by rockects into space giving him extra momentum

So an asteroid that was stated as not being able to destroy the asteroid was what did it huh? It was also stated what type of personality the Grey Hulk had many times in the history of the Hulk. It's the repressed part of Banner's psyche, the Hulk the destroyed the asteroid was the wounded child part of Banner's psyche, as depicted several times in the history of the Hulk. The respect section could have been in error to what was, and has been written in the Hulk books.

Nihilist
facepalm

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by Stoic
So an asteroid that was stated as not being able to destroy the asteroid was what did it huh? It was also stated what type of personality the Grey Hulk had many times in the history of the Hulk. It's the repressed part of Banner's psyche, the Hulk the destroyed the asteroid was the wounded child part of Banner's psyche, as depicted several times in the history of the Hulk. The respect section could have been in error to what was, and has been written in the Hulk books.


Grey Hulk destroyed the asteroid not Savage it happened in MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #52

Nihilist
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Grey Hulk destroyed the asteroid not Savage it happened in MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #52 And he was boosted by rockets into space right ?

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by Nihilist
And he was boosted by rockets into space right ?


Yeah using some kind of rocket springs or something like that I cant remember exactly

Stoic
Okay so it was the Grey Hulk. There however is still a strength feat that trumps this regarding the Savage Hulk, as it states on panel that he is an infinite power by the Beyonder. The Savage Hulk was also stated on panel during a direct comparison from Banner that he was larger, and far more powerful than the Grey Hulk when Banner was explaining this knowledge to Betty in one of his labs.

The point here is that he has many strength feats, while LM has none.

psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/greyhulkasteroid2-1.jpg

but honestly, i think the springs have more to do with getting him into orbit rather than his ability to wreck the asteroid, it helped, but it's not like iron man could replicate that with even larger springs

Nihilist
Didnt Lord Mar vell punch through a full powered Nova grav shield.

Sirius77
^
Nah, that was what appeared to be an energy blast. It was a big red ball of energy with lightning around it.

Stoic
Originally posted by Nihilist
Didnt Lord Mar vell punch through a full powered Nova grav shield.


With an amplified mystical punch correct? Yeah he nearly went right through that shield. This is true. However this is a H2H match, which means mysticism is not really allowed. The magic may have also rendered physical laws useless.

Sirius77
Yeah, but it didn't really look like a punch though....

It was at least something akin to an energy construct from a gl or something.

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
^
Nah, that was what appeared to be an energy blast. It was a big red ball of energy with lightning around it.

Wrong, that wasn't a big energy blast at all, re-read it. That was Nova's shield's full blast shattering. You even see the shattered parts falling apart around his energy shield.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah, but it didn't really look like a punch though....
You're kidding right? It was clearly a punch.

carver9
Didnt look like a punch to me either.

Stoic
Looked to me like it was laced with energy, whatever it was. How about someone post the scan, I can't find the book as i always place all comics in the shed that are older than 6 months.

vince_slice
http://i39.tinypic.com/117vbpv.jpg

Oh yeah, look at Mar-Vell's stance....it looks so much like an energy blast....not. I guess Mar-vell shoots energy blasts while his fists are clenched and aimed downward as if he just threw a punch.

janus77
well, if you look at the glowing hands and crackling energy trails on Lord Marv's fists... looks like an energy attack to me.

carver9
Kind of reminds me of the time Savage Hulk ripped through shields that was meant to stop Celestials. Or we have this instance....WWH thunder clap hitting an amped Fing Fang so hard (not even a punch) that it rips through a high end skyfather shields that were meant to hold an empowered race of Super Humans at bay.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/34/69248890.jpg/

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
Wrong, that wasn't a big energy blast at all, re-read it. That was Nova's shield's full blast shattering. You even see the shattered parts falling apart around his energy shield.

You're kidding right? It was clearly a punch.

Actually I'm not wrong. It was exactly as I described it. Perhaps you should re-read it.

No. Unless you want to argue that his fist manifests itself as a big ball of red energy. Or that Hal Jordan actually punches things when a big green fist appears a couple feet away from his actual arm. erm

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
Actually I'm not wrong. It was exactly as I described it. Perhaps you should re-read it.

No. Unless you want to argue that his fist manifests itself as a big ball of red energy. Or that Hal Jordan actually punches things when a big green fist appears a couple feet away from his actual arm. erm

That big ball of energy is Nova's shield being shattered, clear as day.

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice


Oh yeah, look at Mar-Vell's stance....it looks so much like an energy blast....not. I guess Mar-vell shoots energy blasts while his fists are clenched and aimed downward as if he just threw a punch.

And I guess all of that energy and lightning means nothing right?

If you want to take your perspective of the art as fact, then cool, but I don't agree with you.

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
That big ball of energy is Nova's shield being shattered, clear as day.

Since when did Nova's shields ever manifest as big red balls and lightning? As I understand it, its like a full body thing most of the time.

janus77
Originally posted by vince_slice
That big ball of energy is Nova's shield being shattered, clear as day.
it's a still image and yet, I feel you've been misdirected somehow.
It's not the frayed edges of Nova's shield that are relevant to the point about it being an energy attack. Energy blasts have shattered energy constructs before, it's nothing new.

What's relevant here is the glow and crackle of energy emanating from both Lord Marv's fists. This is the classic comic amped fist energy blast pose, as depicted by many many herald levellers including Surfer and GLs.

Sr J-Bieb
It's clear as day a punch that's amped by energy

dmills
Can we call it an energy amped punch?

Sirius77
I dunno what to call it. I'll go with an "exotic attack". Classy?

vince_slice
That is clearly not an energy blast, Mar-Vell doesn't energy blast with his fists clenched, nor does he energy blast with his clenched fist aiming at the ground, and further why would his "energy blast" look like it's shattering?

It's clearly Nova's shield being shattered, and it even says on panel his shields are being breached while it's happening

This is Mar-Vell's energy blast:
http://i42.tinypic.com/xagki.jpg

See the difference?

Originally posted by Sirius77
I dunno what to call it. I'll go with an "exotic attack". Classy?

Or we can call it an energy amped punch?

dmills
Originally posted by vince_slice
That is clearly not an energy blast, Mar-Vell doesn't energy blast with his fists clenched, nor does he energy blast with his clenched fist aiming at the ground, and further why would his "energy blast" look like it's shattering?

It's clearly Nova's shield being shattered, and it even says on panel his shields are being breached while it's happening

This is Mar-Vell's energy blast:
http://i42.tinypic.com/xagki.jpg

See the difference?

Yeah. He blasted the Magus in that manner as well.

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
That is clearly not an energy blast, Mar-Vell doesn't energy blast with his fists clenched, nor does he energy blast with his clenched fist aiming at the ground, and further why would his "energy blast" look like it's shattering?

It's clearly Nova's shield being shattered, and it even says on panel his shields are being breached while it's happening

This is Mar-Vell's energy blast:
http://i42.tinypic.com/xagki.jpg

See the difference?

Then why was it the same color as the energy around LMV's hands?

I don't recall Nova's energy "projections" being anything but yellow or blue.

Also, his energy comes from his hands, so whether his fists are opened or closed doesn't really matter imo. Also, it should be noted that it was a construct in the shape of a pentagram of the same color as the one in front of Nova that nearly killed the annihilators at the end of the comic.

Regardless, I feel that this conversation is about to get really subjective.

dmills
Originally posted by Sirius77


Regardless, I feel that this conversation is about to get really subjective.

laughing out loud Every debate seemingly ends up this way. We'll spend 15 pages arguing about that one scene.

Sirius77
Originally posted by dmills
laughing out loud Every debate seemingly ends up this way. We'll spend 15 pages arguing about that one scene.

laughing out loud It's true, I'll probably forget what the OP even was.

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
Then why was it the same color as the energy around LMV's hands?

I don't recall Nova's energy "projections" being anything but yellow or blue.

Also, his energy comes from his hands, so whether his fists are opened or closed doesn't really matter imo. Also, it should be noted that it was a construct in the shape of a pentagram of the same color as the one in front of Nova that nearly killed the annihilators at the end of the comic.

Regardless, I feel that this conversation is about to get really subjective.

The red colour is the residual glow effect from Mar-vell's energy amped punch impacting, overpowering and shattering Nova's shields.

You haven't explained why the "energy blast" is being shattered. Are you suggesting Mar-Vell throws energy constructs at people, and it shatters when it impacts them? laughing out loud

All of Mar-Vell's energy blast thus far in TI were opened palmed and actually aimed at the target (e.g., Magus, Surfer, and giant Annihilator energy blast). The scene we're talking about looked nothing like his typical blast or even a typical blast in comics in general. Energy blast are actually aimed at the target, not the ground like Mar-Vell's punch.

zopzop
What's stopping Mar-vell from choking out Hulk like that python did?

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
The red colour is the residual glow effect from Mar-vell's energy amped punch impacting, overpowering and shattering Nova's shields.

You haven't explained why the "energy blast" is being shattered. Are you suggesting Mar-Vell throws energy constructs at people, and it shatters when it impacts them? laughing out loud

All of Mar-Vell's energy blast thus far in TI were opened palmed and actually aimed at the target (e.g., Magus, Surfer, and giant Annihilator energy blast). The scene we're talking about looked nothing like his typical blast or even a typical blast in comics in general. Energy blast are actually aimed at the target, not the ground like Mar-Vell's punch.

So his "punch" turned Nova's entire shield red? I really don't see that happening. Do have a scan in which Nova's shields have been projected outside of his body in the form of a circle and turned the color of the energy hitting it? If not, then I don't see how that can be valid.

Yeah. Why not? He made a construct that nearly killed the annihilators.

The giant annihilator energy blast wasn't from his palms man...

That's why I referred to it as a construct. I'm not trying to split hairs, but characters like Hal Jordan have been depicted as being in positions reminiscent of individuals throwing balls as well, but generally he isn't punching, or technically even throwing, but rather directing a construct. Of course it could be argued conversely by someone with a different perspective on the art, but I already said that I had a feeling that this was going to get highly subjective.

Also, it isn't as if LMV is spiderman and his fingers need to be in a certain place or position in order for the desired projectile to flow. The energy simply comes from his hands. Like I said, I feel that is irrelevant.
My entire argument is that this is not a physical punch. I can't even see an argument being made as the converse with so much explicit energy floating around, hitting the target, dancing around in the background, and obviously not belonging to Nova.

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
What's stopping Mar-vell from choking out Hulk like that python did?

Now you are clearly lowballing.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Now you are clearly lowballing.

Dude, Man-Thing and Glob beat him. You telling me Lord Mar-vell can't?!

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
So his "punch" turned Nova's entire shield red? I really don't see that happening. Do have a scan in which Nova's shields have been projected outside of his body in the form of a circle and turned the color of the energy hitting it? If not, then I don't see how that can be valid.

Yeah. Why not? He made a construct that nearly killed the annihilators.

The giant annihilator energy blast wasn't from his palms man...

That's why I referred to it as a construct. I'm not trying to split hairs, but characters like Hal Jordan have been depicted as being in positions reminiscent of individuals throwing balls as well, but generally he isn't punching, or technically even throwing, but rather directing a construct. Of course it could be argued conversely by someone with a different perspective on the art, but I already said that I had a feeling that this was going to get highly subjective.

Also, it isn't as if LMV is spiderman and his fingers need to be in a certain place or position in order for the desired projectile to flow. The energy simply comes from his hands. Like I said, I feel that is irrelevant.
My entire argument is that this is not a physical punch. I can't even see an argument being made as the converse with so much explicit energy floating around, hitting the target, dancing around in the background, and obviously not belonging to Nova.

Like it matters whether Nova's shields show up physically or not in other comics? Different artists have different depictions of shields in comics (e.g., Thanos' shields range from being a shield like energy construct, round and surrounding his body, and even invisible). The scan clearly says Nova's shields are being breached, and the energy construct in front of him is being shattered. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together that what's being shattered/breached is his shield. Plus this was Nova's shields at full power, so I wouldn't be surprised if they manifested physically.

When did Lord Mar-Vell become a GL and start creating energy constructs to throw at people? And technically if this were true (and it isn't), it wouldn't be considered an energy blast, because energy blasts aren't physical constructs that can be shattered. Energy blasts are energy blasts. Whose ever heard of an energy blast shattering? confused

No that was not a energy construct that almost killed the Annihilators, that was clearly a huge energy blast/explosion. Yes, it was open palmed, you even see Mar-Vell's fingers stretched outward, don't make me post the scans again. But all you'll do is stretch the definition of "subjectivity" to it's limits again and interpret it as something totally far off.

How Mar-Vell typically energy blast isn't relevant? It clearly is, all of his energy blasts are open palmed and above all AIMED at the target. Let me repeat, energy blasts are aimed at the target. When Mar-Vell punched Nova his hand wasn't aimed at Nova, it was aimed downward toward the ground. Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Mar-Vell threw an energy amped punch at Nova?

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
Now you are clearly lowballing. So says the kind of lowballing

quanchi112
Originally posted by janus77
well, if you look at the glowing hands and crackling energy trails on Lord Marv's fists... looks like an energy attack to me. It's a punch plain as day. Mar-vell punches Hulk into submission.

dmills
Originally posted by vince_slice
Like it matters whether Nova's shields show up physically or not in other comics? Different artists have different depictions of shields in comics (e.g., Thanos' shields range from being a shield like energy construct, round and surrounding his body, and even invisible). The scan clearly says Nova's shields are being breached, and the energy construct in front of him is being shattered. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together that what's being shattered/breached is his shield. Plus this was Nova's shields at full power, so I wouldn't be surprised if they manifested physically.

When did Lord Mar-Vell become a GL and start creating energy constructs to throw at people? And technically if this were true (and it isn't), it wouldn't be considered an energy blast, because energy blasts aren't physical constructs that can be shattered. Energy blasts are energy blasts. Whose ever heard of an energy blast shattering? confused

No that was not a energy construct that almost killed the Annihilators, that was clearly a huge energy blast/explosion. Yes, it was open palmed, you even see Mar-Vell's fingers stretched outward, don't make me post the scans again. But all you'll do is stretch the definition of "subjectivity" to it's limits again and interpret it as something totally far off.

How Mar-Vell typically energy blast isn't relevant? It clearly is, all of his energy blasts are open palmed and above all AIMED at the target. Let me repeat, energy blasts are aimed at the target. When Mar-Vell punched Nova his hand wasn't aimed at Nova, it was aimed downward toward the ground. Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Mar-Vell threw an energy amped punch at Nova?

You've made great points, but I'd stay away from saying "Plus this was Nova's shields at full power" wink

vince_slice
Originally posted by dmills
You've made great points, but I'd stay away from saying "Plus this was Nova's shields at full power" wink
laughing

I'm no where near as knowledgeable on Nova than you of course, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on anything. I remember The Worldmind mentioned something like "shield's at full" just before Mar-Vell's punch.

I know how much you love Nova. It's okay dude, Surfer (one of my fave characters) got tooled by Mar-Vell too. And technically Nova did last longer than Surfer against Mar-Vell wink

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
Like it matters whether Nova's shields show up physically or not in other comics? Different artists have different depictions of shields in comics (e.g., Thanos' shields range from being a shield like energy construct, round and surrounding his body, and even invisible). The scan clearly says Nova's shields are being breached, and the energy construct in front of him is being shattered. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together that what's being shattered/breached is his shield. Plus this was Nova's shields at full power, so I wouldn't be surprised if they manifested physically.

When did Lord Mar-Vell become a GL and start creating energy constructs to throw at people? And technically if this were true (and it isn't), it wouldn't be considered an energy blast, because energy blasts aren't physical constructs that can be shattered. Energy blasts are energy blasts. Whose ever heard of an energy blast shattering? confused

No that was not a energy construct that almost killed the Annihilators, that was clearly a huge energy blast/explosion. Yes, it was open palmed, you even see Mar-Vell's fingers stretched outward, don't make me post the scans again. But all you'll do is stretch the definition of "subjectivity" to it's limits again and interpret it as something totally far off.

How Mar-Vell typically energy blast isn't relevant? It clearly is, all of his energy blasts are open palmed and above all AIMED at the target. Let me repeat, energy blasts are aimed at the target. When Mar-Vell punched Nova his hand wasn't aimed at Nova, it was aimed downward toward the ground. Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Mar-Vell threw an energy amped punch at Nova?

Correction. It says that Nova's shields are being breached. It shows a big energy construct the same color as the energy around LMV's hands hitting Nova with red lightning dancing around in the background. If we want to go by artistic depiction, then it is exactly what I explained it to be.

He was never a GL, that was an analogy, and he manifested constructs/ projections various times throughout throughout TI. Which is why I said "energy construct". Energy constructs can and have shattered. If you don't feel comfortable using the GL example, then we can use Quasar.

You know what? You don't have to post it. I'll do it myself.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/LMVsCONSTRUCTthanos_04_22.jpg

So he's opening his palm eh? Vell isn't even there. Again, it is a red construct in the shape of a pentagram with Vell's image on it. So I suppose I'm just being subjective calling this a construct and not Vell physically outstretching his hand and blasting someone.

It also really doesn't help your case that LMV and the rest of the "Revengers" had teleported away a couple pages before that due to the death of a life avatar (Thanos killed Drax).


The position of his hands in a freeze frame are entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not it is an actual punch or not.

Actual punch:

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/LMVPUNCHthanos_04_14.jpg

Not an actual punch:

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/thanos_04_12.jpg

One has red energy surrounding it with a big red construct in front. The other does not. I really don't think it's as complicated as we're making it.

dmills
Originally posted by vince_slice
laughing

I'm no where near as knowledgeable on Nova than you of course, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on anything. I remember The Worldmind mentioned something like "shield's at full" just before Mar-Vell's punch.

I know how much you love Nova. It's okay dude, Surfer (one of my fave characters) got tooled by Mar-Vell too. And technically Nova did last longer than Surfer against Mar-Vell wink

Shyte you're right. I stand corrected lol.

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
Correction. It says that Nova's shields are being breached. It shows a big energy construct the same color as the energy around LMV's hands hitting Nova with red lightning dancing around in the background. If we want to go by artistic depiction, then it is exactly what I explained it to be.

He was never a GL, that was an analogy, and he manifested constructs/ projections various times throughout throughout TI. Which is why I said "energy construct". Energy constructs can and have shattered. If you don't feel comfortable using the GL example, then we can use Quasar.

You know what? You don't have to post it. I'll do it myself.


So he's opening his palm eh? Vell isn't even there. Again, it is a red construct in the shape of a pentagram with Vell's image on it. So I suppose I'm just being subjective calling this a construct and not Vell physically outstretching his hand and blasting someone.

The position of his hands in a freeze frame are entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not it is an actual punch or not.

Actual punch:


Not an actual punch:



One has red energy surrounding it with a big red construct in front. The other does not. I really don't think it's as complicated as we're making it.

Look at the scan of Mar-Vell's energy amped punch and now look at his second unamped punch on Nova. Look at Mar-Vell's body position and stance in both of them and compare. They are nearly identical, left arm raised up in both scans with fists clenched, right arm extended downward aiming at the ground in both indicating he swung his arm laughing.

I never said Mar-Vell was physically there when he almost killed the Annihilators. Regardless, his projection was, and you can clearly see his palms open and AIMED at the Annihilators before the blast. Whether he's physically there is irrelevant. The fact remains his hands were opened and aimed at the Annihilators, like all his other actual energy blasts.

Position of his hands irrelevant? Says who? You deem them irrelevant because it completely contradicts your opinion. Energy blasts are aimed at the person, not at the ground period (as if they just threw a punch). You can't account for this, so I'm not surprised you'd attempt to say it's irrelevant.

Mar-Vell is not like Quasar at all. Name another physical energy construct that Mar-vell created that was similar to the kind Quasar makes or GL's make in TI.

EDIT: Side by side comparison of body stances. Clearly Mar-Vell's body stances mirror each other as if he just swung his fists on both scans. One was amped by energy, the other wasn't.
http://i42.tinypic.com/qyuzhd.jpg

Sirius77
Originally posted by vince_slice
Look at the scan of Mar-Vell's energy amped punch and now look at his second unamped punch on Nova. Look at Mar-Vell's body position and stance in both of them and compare. They are nearly identical, left arm raised up in both scans with fists clenched, right arm extended downward aiming at the ground in both indicating he swung his arm laughing.

I never said Mar-Vell was physically there when he almost killed the Annihilators. Regardless, his projection was, and you can clearly see his palms open and AIMED at the Annihilators before the blast. Whether he's physically there is irrelevant. The fact remains his hands were opened and aimed at the Annihilators, like all his other actual energy blasts.

Position of his hands irrelevant? Says who? You deem them irrelevant because it completely contradicts your opinion. Energy blasts are aimed at the person, not at the ground period (as if they just threw a punch). You can't account for this, so I'm not surprised you'd attempt to say it's irrelevant.

Mar-Vell is not like Quasar at all. Name another physical energy construct that Mar-vell created that was similar to the kind Quasar makes or GL's make in TI.

So you're literally telling me that you see no difference between the two scans. That the energy, and construct in front of it are entirely irrelevant? Cool. I can see this was somewhat pointless.

Actually, you did:

Originally posted by vince_slice No that was not a energy construct that almost killed the Annihilators, that was clearly a huge energy blast/explosion. Yes, it was open palmed, you even see Mar-Vell's fingers stretched outward, don't make me post the scans again.

So you're trying to argue that he what, shot them from a universe away? He teleported back to the cancerverve a couple pages ago.

Not me, common sense, and the course of the argument. In baseball, the ball is also aimed as well, but the ending position is not the same by the end of the throw.

Also, who is talking about energy blasts here? I'm talking about constructs. Apparently you think that the construct that nearly killed the annihilators was "aimed" as well. Well, I don't believe that Vell has good enough "aim" to blast someone a universe away. Which is why I don't think has to "aim" when it comes to constructs like that. I believe that in the Nova scan, it was something akin to a throw. In the annihaltors scan, it was something akin to a bomb.

In the way that he makes energy constructs, yes he is. Okay, how many of these things are you asking me to name? There was one most of the times that he was present and actively harming someone. Including the ones that I've shown, the ones that held Namora in place, the construct of the makeshift energy IG on his hand when he was attempting to kill thanos in the necropsy ritual. I honestly don't know if I'm forgetting any.

Sr J-Bieb
Is this a ****ing joke?

vince_slice
Originally posted by Sirius77
So you're literally telling me that you see no difference between the two scans. That the energy, and construct in front of it are entirely irrelevant? Cool. I can see this was somewhat pointless.

Stop throwing straw mans, it's pathetic. I said there is a difference, one is Mar-Vell throwing an energy amped punch shattering Nova's shield (which fits the context of what's said on panel), the other is Mar-vell throwing a regular unamped punch. Read my posts carefully.




So where in that quote did I say Mar-Vell was physically there? I was clearly referring to his big red projection of himself. You know the one showing Mar-Vell's face and hands doing the magic incantation just before the giant explosion? Again, another straw man. Starting to sound desperate.





You just claimed (above) that I said Mar-Vell was physically there when he almost killed the Annihilators, now you're claiming that I said he attacked them from universes away? Your stances aren't consistent and you're flip flopping...

But yeah, another straw man? That's all you keep throwing at me now. How about you stop trying to misrepresent my opinion, and actual address it? He clearly somehow projected himself (via a spell) back into the 616 Universe to try and kill the Annihilators with that blast. He wasn't physically there though.



Throwing a physical energy construct is different than shooting an energy blast. Ironic since you just boasted about using common sense.


Funny how you flip flop from calling it an "energy blast" to "energy construct" a few pages back: Originally posted by Sirius77
^
Nah, that was what appeared to be an energy blast. It was a big red ball of energy with lightning around it.

^ Sound familiar? Flip flopping your opinions doesn't make your argument stronger. Neither do throwing straw mans BTW.


Strawman. I'm getting tired of them.



Sure if you want to believe Mar-Vell likes to create physical energy constructs and throw them at people like a GL or Quasar be my guest. I'm 100% disagreeing with you though because it sounds outlandish to me.



I remember those "constructs" and to me they don't look like physical energy constructs, but spell bindings and spell incantations, very similar to what Doctor Strange would use. It's consistent with the fact that Lord Mar-Vell was confirmed to use dark magic in TI.

Either way, bottom line is Mar-Vell threw an energy amped punch at Nova and it shattered his shields. PERIOD.

Stoic
Now that all of that is all over, we can get back to what was being discussed, and that would be that this is a H2H contest, and not one where guys are able to amplify their punches with either Negaband force energy, mystical force energy, or an amalgamation of the two.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Now that all of that is all over, we can get back to what was being discussed, and that would be that this is a H2H contest, and not one where guys are able to amplify their punches with either Negaband force energy, mystical force energy, or an amalgamation of the two. Is Hulk allowed to use his healing factor ?

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
Is Hulk allowed to use his healing factor ?


Ask the thread starter.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Ask the thread starter. Well he can read my posts since he's online but in the interest of fairness I will ask you as well. Do you think it's justified for Hulk to have his healing powers in this thread ?

Naija boy
This is plain retarded. How in the hell is it being argued here that marvel threw an energy construct as opposed to what is an utterly clear depiction of a shield being hit by an energy amped fist and subsequently cracking? Smh at this foolishness.....

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well he can read my posts since he's online but in the interest of fairness I will ask you as well. Do you think it's justified for Hulk to have his healing powers in this thread ?


Wouldn't Mar-Vell have a healing factor as well? isn't that a power that was given to him by the many angled ones? if not a healing factor at least it was something close enough to be called one, as he was immortal. Amirite?


Originally posted by Naija boy
This is plain retarded. How in the hell is it being argued here that marvel threw an energy construct as opposed to what is an utterly clear depiction of a shield being hit by an energy amped fist and subsequently cracking? Smh at this foolishness.....


I saw an energy amplified fist punching Nova's shields too, if that helps.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Wouldn't Mar-Vell have a healing factor as well? isn't that a power that was given to him by the many angled ones? if not a healing factor at least it was something close enough to be called one, as he was immortal. Amirite?





I saw an energy amplified fist punching Nova's shields too, if that helps. Mar-vell wasn't unkillable. No, you aren't right the cancerverse didn't amp their healing factors it made death impossible.

You still avoided the question.

Stoic
@Quanchi. I also find it highly suspect that Lord Mar-Vell did not fight Thanos anywhere near as energetically as he did against the Annihilator's. I mean he went in on a purely physical level, and wasn't all charged up like he was with the Surfer or Nova.Then again it's been some time since I read that comic. Was he blasting Thanos with Mystical Negaband type energy?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
@Quanchi. I also find it highly suspect that Lord Mar-Vell did not fight Thanos anywhere near as energetically as he did against the Annihilator's. I mean he went in on a purely physical level, and wasn't all charged up like he was with the Surfer or Nova.Then again it's been some time since I read that comic. Was he blasting Thanos with Mystical Negaband type energy? He came at Thanos and Thanos manhandled him. Thanos physically dominated because well he's a beast. Despite Mar-vell being well above elite top tier level Thanos was well above him.

Stoic
If he couldn't die and was given immortality then that would either mean that if he were to sustain an injury that he would remain that way for eternity. is this correct?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
If he couldn't die and was given immortality then that would either mean that if he were to sustain an injury that he would remain that way for eternity. is this correct? Anyone in the cancerverse has that going for them since death was eradicated. Do you get where I am going with this ?

Stoic
^ Nope why don't you explain it.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
^ Nope why don't you explain it. The key word was cancerverse. This fight isn't taking place in the cancerverse.

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
The key word was cancerverse. This fight isn't taking place in the cancerverse.

So outside of the Cancerverse Marv was not immortal?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
So outside of the Cancerverse Marv was not immortal? Did you read the arc ?

Stoic
Yes, but I just wanted to see how much of your opinion that you wanted to add to the character. The fact is, that Lord Mar-Vell did not need to be within the Cancerverse to retain his immortality, because he housed a tentacle creature within his body.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes, but I just wanted to see how much of your opinion that you wanted to add to the character. The fact is, that Lord Mar-Vell did not need to be within the Cancerverse to retain his immortality, because he housed a tentacle creature within his body. Immortality does not mean unkillable. You really just make things up without any proof.

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
Immortality does not mean unkillable. You really just make things up without any proof.

Just like there is no proof that LM has the strength capable of beating the Hulk in a H2H fight. Right?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Just like there is no proof that LM has the strength capable of beating the Hulk in a H2H fight. Right? Why not ? He seemed powerful enough to me to ko the Hulk. Thor's lightning ko'd him before.

Stoic
This is a H2H fight. What is it that you fail to understand. LM has no strength feats, and the one time that he went in without using energy blasts, he was palmed in Thanos' hand with little to no effort. Whereas Savage Hulk was measured as having unllimited or infinite strength by the Beyonder. This is besides all of the other crazy out of LM's strength league that he has shown on panel throughout the years.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
This is a H2H fight. What is it that you fail to understand. LM has no strength feats, and the one time that he went in without using energy blasts, he was palmed in Thanos' hand with little to no effort. Whereas Savage Hulk was measured as having unllimited or infinite strength by the Beyonder. This is besides all of the other crazy out of LM's strength league that he has shown on panel throughout the years. Thanos is pretty powerful and far above the likes of the Surfer and Nova. So what ? Those are his limits it's clear far less is required to ko or beat the Hulk.


Spiderman beat the Hulk's ass. Mar-vell would stomp him.

Stoic
The concept of context is something that they should have wrote in those For Dummie's books. You realize like most people that read comics, that the Hulk has varying levels of strength right? Should I explain this to you, or post up his bio so that you can understand this, or did you already know this small detail about the character? the Thing has even beaten the Savage Hulk, this does not mean that he would beat him on a higher level of power.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
The concept of context is something that they should have wrote in those For Dummie's books. You realize like most people that read comics, that the Hulk has varying levels of strength right? Should I explain this to you, or post up his bio so that you can understand this, or did you already know this small detail about the character? the Thing has even beaten the Savage Hulk, this does not mean that he would beat him on a higher level of power. Yes, his levels vary and Mar-vell's level was beyond Spiderman's or the Thing's or Thor's lightning. Marv stomps.

Stoic
Based on what? What were Marv's actual defining strength feats? Yeah none.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what? What were Marv's actual defining strength feats? Yeah none. Nova/Surfer. Seems to me that's above Spiderman level which ko'd the Hulk. Peter Parker 1 Hulk 0.

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nova/Surfer. Seems to me that's above Spiderman level which ko'd the Hulk. Peter Parker 1 Hulk 0.


Nova and Surfer were also clearly hit with energy blasts. However this is a H2H contest.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Nova and Surfer were also clearly hit with energy blasts. However this is a H2H contest. Marv wins based off his strength exhibited in this thread. I feel it;s above Pete's which knocked the Hulk out.

Stoic
It's also clear to me that you have no idea what various strength levels mean. Pete is hardly as strong as the Hulk. Then again Squirrel girl did a number on Thanos, so it looks like his record isn't as clean as you once thought either.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
It's also clear to me that you have no idea what various strength levels mean. Pete is hardly as strong as the Hulk. Then again Squirrel girl did a number on Thanos, so it looks like his record isn't as clean as you once thought either. Thanos clones have nothing to do with this thread. I am glad to hear you admit someone weaker than the Hulk such as Spiderman can ko him. Marv wins.

Stoic
Marv wins an total beat down. i didn't know that we use characters at their weakest.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
Marv wins an total beat down. i didn't know that we use characters at their weakest. I think Hulk was at a very high level against Spidey. You have no evidence to support Hulk winning this just your opinion.

Stoic
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Hulk was at a very high level against Spidey. You have no evidence to support Hulk winning this just your opinion.

You think, but really what you are doing is blatant trolling. Everyone knows that that Hulk at a high level is a high class 100, and Spiderman is only a class 10. Stop before you show your true colors. Hulk beats the featless Marv into a KO'd state.

Nihilist
As i thougt Marvell punched through a full powered Nova shield,

I will take a wild geusss and say Craver wont allow LM to amp his punches, but Hulk will with his anger and use his healing factor.

janus77
I'll take a wild guess and say that the Thanosi fanclub are whining because it's dawned on them now that Savage Hulk would murder their reference point, Lord Mar-vell.

I mean, if Savage Hulk is basically stronger than Marv, then that does tend to tarnish Thanos' contributions in the TI. Even if those were only done as finger-puppet of Death.

Mistress-Death
Originally posted by Stoic
I know who you are. I have no idea why the Mods have not banned you, and this particular sock account. Really! Who am supposed to be?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Stoic
You think, but really what you are doing is blatant trolling. Everyone knows that that Hulk at a high level is a high class 100, and Spiderman is only a class 10. Stop before you show your true colors. Hulk beats the featless Marv into a KO'd state. That doesn't mean you have to be class 100 to defeat the Hulk. I think Mar's strength is enough for the win.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean you have to be class 100 to defeat the Hulk. I think Mar's strength is enough for the win.

What's Mar- vell strength? Show me some strength fts.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
What's Mar- vell strength? Show me some strength fts. They've already been posted and I for one don't think strength feats determine anything we need to see these characters interacting with one another and Marv seems on a higher level.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
They've already been posted and I for one don't think strength feats determine anything we need to see these characters interacting with one another and Marv seems on a higher level.

Mar-vell blasting power is insane...we are talking about his strength though and using Hulk interacting fts, he is still FAR stronger than Mar-vell on a physical level. Energy blast, I agree, Mar-vell can outblast Savage Hulk, punching, hell naw.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
Mar-vell blasting power is insane...we are talking about his strength though and using Hulk interacting fts, he is still FAR stronger than Mar-vell on a physical level. Energy blast, I agree, Mar-vell can outblast Savage Hulk, punching, hell naw. If Spiderman has the strength to do so I believe Marv can as well with the liited showings we have to base it off of.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Spiderman has the strength to do so I believe Marv can as well with the liited showings we have to base it off of.

Did you read the Spiderman comic Quan? How did Spiderman ko the Hulk?

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
Did you read the Spiderman comic Quan? How did Spiderman ko the Hulk? By beating him up.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
By beating him up.

So he used his fist to stop the Hulk? Is this what you are telling me?

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
So he used his fist to stop the Hulk? Is this what you are telling me? Well, I certainly don't see these two working out their differences with words alone.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, I certainly don't see these two working out their differences with words alone.

Just like I thought, you didn't see the fight. Spiderman didn't use his fist to drop Hulk, he tricked him and used the environment against him. Read the comic Quan before making judgments. He did the same thing to Juggernaut...used the environment against him to beat him. Strength had nothing to do with it.

Kid Kurdy
Spider-Man has beaten the Hulk on more than one occasion, but always by using his brains (and granted, a bit of PIS).

Spider-Man beating the Hulk with his strength alone is laughable. And this comes from a Spider-Man fan.

JakeTheBank
Gamma radiation < doing anything a spider can.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
Just like I thought, you didn't see the fight. Spiderman didn't use his fist to drop Hulk, he tricked him and used the environment against him. Read the comic Quan before making judgments. He did the same thing to Juggernaut...used the environment against him to beat him. Strength had nothing to do with it. Spiderman used his abilities and his fists. Some of it happened off panel iirc in an annual. Marv is stronger than Spiderman.

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