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My only editorial comment: f*cking insane

They went from 1,000,000... to 12. F*cking insane.

80 TB I-Pod Shuffles by 2014 ftw.

were they actually able to build a 12 atom storage device? or was that more the theoretical point where data could no longer be reliably stored due to quantum events?

Originally posted by inimalist
were they actually able to build a 12 atom storage device? or was that more the theoretical point where data could no longer be reliably stored due to quantum events?


Unless BBC is mistaken or being intentionally misleading that suggests that they physically made a 12 atom device that can store a bit of data.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Unless BBC is mistaken or being intentionally misleading that suggests that they physically made a 12 atom device that can store a bit of data.

weird, I didn't realize we could manipulate matter on that scale...

Originally posted by inimalist
were they actually able to build a 12 atom storage device? or was that more the theoretical point where data could no longer be reliably stored due to quantum events?

It's a little bit misleading. They apparently needed a serious cooling system to make that work, which adds a lot of atoms.

They said with 500 it could work in normal conditions, which is still an insane improvement.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's a little bit misleading. They apparently needed a serious cooling system to make that work, which adds a lot of atoms.

They said with 500 it could work in normal conditions, which is still an insane improvement.

not trying to disparage it at all, that is a ridiculous finding...

I was getting images in my head of somehow assembling 12 atoms into a thing, and it sort of blew my mind. I suppose I didn't realize we could do it with 500 either, but that sounds a little bit less like science fiction...

What element was used?

Unobtanium. The need for ever more efficient computers will lead us to genocide of giant smurfs.

The quantum "effects" is the Casimir Effect. It's not the effect where your Jersey Shore Girlfriend spends all of your money in Manhattan on nice clothes, either.

It's the effect that prevents us from miniaturizing our electronics beyond certain points because the surfaces of the conductive materials create a "pressure" that prevents ordering and charge flow.

There are other effects too (like the Kondo Effect...which is not where you are duped into purchasing a time share that slowly degrades in value over time), but that's the biggest one that comes to mind.


We have actually worked on and created single-atom gates with quantum-state superposition. We did this by mapping wavefunctions to an ellipsis and measuring the deformation of this fluctuation at specific energy states (fermi energy states, to be exact) as a super-cooled cobalt atom was moved across this "gate" and then they measured the changes.

So it is technically a single atom gate.


Take that 12 atom memory cell.

Originally posted by inimalist
weird, I didn't realize we could manipulate matter on that scale...

The Avogadro Project is trying to make perfect Silicon spheres so that they make scientifically define a kilogram in relation to the number of Silicon atoms or some other such faff....Anyway...Last I read the surface was only off from being perfectly smooth by a few layers of atoms...7 if I remember correctly. Might be less now.

Crazy stuff.

That will just mean you can store more stuff on your computer like porn, games, movies, etc.

But what if you put it in somebodys head? Super brain!

Originally posted by Deja~vu
But what if you put it in somebodys head? Super brain!

What if you put it in your butt? Super poops!

No, there's no logical reasoning for that. I'll stick to the brain.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
No, there's no logical reasoning for that. I'll stick to the brain.

Here's the problem with your logic: what if you're a butthead?

Originally posted by jaden101
The Avogadro Project is trying to make perfect Silicon spheres so that they make scientifically define a kilogram in relation to the number of Silicon atoms or some other such faff....Anyway...Last I read the surface was only off from being perfectly smooth by a few layers of atoms...7 if I remember correctly. Might be less now.

Crazy stuff.

jesus...

Jesus wouldn't like you using his name in vain like that.

I'm not really concerned with the feelings of fictional characters...

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm not really concerned with the feelings of fictional characters...

Jesus the man most likely existed.

You probably mean "Jesus-God".



*puts glasses on*

Originally posted by dadudemon
Jesus the man most likely existed.

You probably mean "Jesus-God".



*puts glasses on*

a man named Hercules probably also existed at one point

Originally posted by inimalist
a man named Hercules probably also existed at one point

*puts thick nerdy glasses back on*

I like your red-herring: it always helps to distract from the context. You also mean "Heracles". Additionally, there is not much evidence that Heracles, the fabled hero, actually existed. Though it is possible, there is just not enough evidence. Meaning, "Heracles, the man, most likely did not exist."




But if you want to go this route:


"Jesus Christ" of Nazareth, the man, the one executed by the Romans and considered blasphemous by the Pharisees, was most likely real.

"Jesus-God" is probably what you meant.

*takes glasses back off*

Just wear contact, much easier. lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
*puts thick nerdy glasses back on*

I like your red-herring: it always helps to distract from the context. You also mean "Heracles". Additionally, there is not much evidence that Heracles, the fabled hero, actually existed. Though it is possible, there is just not enough evidence. Meaning, "Heracles, the man, most likely did not exist."




But if you want to go this route:


"Jesus Christ" of Nazareth, the man, the one executed by the Romans and considered blasphemous by the Pharisees, was most likely real.

"Jesus-God" is probably what you meant.

*takes glasses back off*

There are lots of people named Hercules alive today. So not only is Hercules real but he's proven himself immortal and capable of replicating himself!

Originally posted by dadudemon
*puts thick nerdy glasses back on*

I like your red-herring: it always helps to distract from the context. You also mean "Heracles". Additionally, there is not much evidence that Heracles, the fabled hero, actually existed. Though it is possible, there is just not enough evidence. Meaning, "Heracles, the man, most likely did not exist."

I have a fictional superhero I created based largely off of someone I used to know in terms of mannerisms, power origins and certain actions they do or situations they get into.

Is this hero fictional or real?

Also, it would be astounding if the Romans hadn't killed a man named Jesus or that there wasn't a man named Jesus at some point that challenged the authority of what were tyrannical political/social/religious institutions, given how popular the name was in that period.

However, this person is not, in any way, the same person as the bible discusses, and in fact, outside of some evidence of his execution, there is scant information about his life. Almost all stories in the bible are laughably false, from the idea of returning home for a census when Jesus was born, to the actions of the ruling Jewish authority at the time of Jesus' death, and in fact, most of the stories that even made it into the bible are incredibly archetypal of stories from those times and I'm sure I don't need to point out how much content from those stories is borrowed almost directly from previous stories and myths.

Because someone named Jesus lived at some point is really not an answer to my contention that Jesus is a fictional character any more than the person I based my superhero on existing makes that character real. Like, do you think Mohammed, as in, calls down angels to fight in wars and performs miracles, is a real person? I mean, it is almost certain there was a person named Mohammed who spread Islam through warfare in the 500s/600s (somewhere in there, can't be bothered to look it up, lol), however, the character Mohammed in the Islamic faith is fictional.

You honestly don't think people like Hercules, Jason, ... That guy Brad Pitt played... starts with an A I think... don't have origins in real life events? That someone just, out of thin air, made it up based on nothing they had seen in the world? Like, there is historical debate about whether the Trojan Horse, and that war entirely, even happened. Lets pretend it didn't, how likely do you think it is that the characters of that story and its events don't reflect some form of real things that occurred? Now, does the fact that the story may be based on some things that happened make it anything even close to true?

Originally posted by jaden101
The Avogadro Project is trying to make perfect Silicon spheres so that they make scientifically define a kilogram in relation to the number of Silicon atoms or some other such faff....Anyway...Last I read the surface was only off from being perfectly smooth by a few layers of atoms...7 if I remember correctly. Might be less now. Originally posted by inimalist
jesus...

I was wondering how we went from a 12 atom microprocessor to Jesus to Hercules.

I had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I had nothing to do with it. I reviewed your posts on page 1. You're free to go. Just look both ways when crossing the street and be careful where you put your processor.

Thank you officer...

flower_girl

Originally posted by inimalist
I have a fictional superhero I created based largely off of someone I used to know in terms of mannerisms, power origins and certain actions they do or situations they get into.

Is this hero fictional or real?

Also, it would be astounding if the Romans hadn't killed a man named Jesus or that there wasn't a man named Jesus at some point that challenged the authority of what were tyrannical political/social/religious institutions, given how popular the name was in that period.

However, this person is not, in any way, the same person as the bible discusses, and in fact, outside of some evidence of his execution, there is scant information about his life. Almost all stories in the bible are laughably false, from the idea of returning home for a census when Jesus was born, to the actions of the ruling Jewish authority at the time of Jesus' death, and in fact, most of the stories that even made it into the bible are incredibly archetypal of stories from those times and I'm sure I don't need to point out how much content from those stories is borrowed almost directly from previous stories and myths.

Because someone named Jesus lived at some point is really not an answer to my contention that Jesus is a fictional character any more than the person I based my superhero on existing makes that character real. Like, do you think Mohammed, as in, calls down angels to fight in wars and performs miracles, is a real person? I mean, it is almost certain there was a person named Mohammed who spread Islam through warfare in the 500s/600s (somewhere in there, can't be bothered to look it up, lol), however, the character Mohammed in the Islamic faith is fictional.

You honestly don't think people like Hercules, Jason, ... That guy Brad Pitt played... starts with an A I think... don't have origins in real life events? That someone just, out of thin air, made it up based on nothing they had seen in the world? Like, there is historical debate about whether the Trojan Horse, and that war entirely, even happened. Lets pretend it didn't, how likely do you think it is that the characters of that story and its events don't reflect some form of real things that occurred? Now, does the fact that the story may be based on some things that happened make it anything even close to true?

This discussion is not appropriate for this thread. I replied here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=555630&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post13688438

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There are lots of people named Hercules alive today. So not only is Hercules real but he's proven himself immortal and capable of replicating himself!

Touché!

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Originally posted by nelson1234
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TS wannabe?

Very interesting. With this kind of processing power, cracking quantum encrypted networks, should be far easier. All things are relative . I guess the armed forces around the world had better begin reacting by reducing the attack surface now, before they have a serious problem.

Originally posted by Stoic
Very interesting. With this kind of processing power, cracking quantum encrypted networks, should be far easier. All things are relative . I guess the armed forces around the world had better begin reacting by reducing the attack surface now, before they have a serious problem.
Attack surface of what?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Attack surface of what?


All networks or PC's have an attack surface. In the case of a network, what a typical system admin. would do to reduce the attack surface, would be to disallow certain things from being accessed. Through adding permissions, or not allowing as much in terms of privileges to certain users. The Admin would reduce the possibility of being attacked on a certain levels. These are called exceptions in the firewall. If you ever want to be God of anything, become a Network Administrator, and that domain will be your kingdom. With Quantum encrypted networks, it becomes difficult to break into a system or network using alpha numerical hacking, or brute force attacks, but not impossible. One method of taking down anything is called a DOS attack or DDOS attack (Denial of Service, or Distributed Denial of Service attack) <--- there's a bunch of ways in . DOS and DDOS however, when done by the big boys, are virtually untraceable, and are impossible to defend against, even with several layers of redundancy. Very interesting stuff. I did very well in the Comtia Security Plus course. I could talk about this stuff all day long, and would love to learn more on it.

super!