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Who wins ?

Mar-Vell.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mar-Vell.

FANBOY!!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mar-Vell.



Father , is that you ?

Originally posted by Nihilist
FANBOY!!

I've no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Father , is that you ?

Vell wins.

classic wonder woman should slaugher mar-vell. current i've not seen enough of.

Originally posted by leonidas
classic wonder woman should slaugher mar-vell. current i've not seen enough of.

Good thing this is Simon, then, and not Diana.

sigh....it's been one of those days all day.....

simon would be closer. vell could take some against simon. not sure about a majority though.

I think Marv could deal enough damage via energy projection to beat Simon and he's fast and maneuverable enough to hold his own in close quarters.

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh....it's been one of those days all day.....

simon would be closer. vell could take some against simon. not sure about a majority though.


It's Vell's great fighting ability, tactics, and general speed advantage that wins this for him. Strength, and possibly durability goes to Simon.

Mar-Vell 6-7/10

Originally posted by leonidas
classic wonder woman should slaugher mar-vell. current i've not seen enough of.

I agree.

Wonder Woman for the win ..













































I mean Mar-Vell 7/10

Reason I'm giving WM maybe 3 wins is because Mar-Vell is a warrior true. He sometimes forgets all those powers of his and decides to slug it out. Even so he beats opponents that are beyond him strength wise.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's Vell's great fighting ability, tactics, and general speed advantage that wins this for him. Strength, and possibly durability goes to Simon.

Mar-Vell 6-7/10

strength is an overwhelming advantage to simon, as is durability. simon has also displayed some superspeed and he has more skill than most give him credit for. tactics and speed weren't enough to keep him from getting one-shot ko'd by a casual backhand from hulk. simon could do the same, easily. even giving it his ALL (and a surprise back attack), vell couldn't do more than stagger hulk for a moment. intiially hulk no-sold his punch. he's also been pushed to the limit by controller in h2h who is FAR inferior to simon and vell's durability is not that great as hulk showed.

vell could get some, but i'll give simon the majority, 6-7/10. anyway, for those who've not seen the hulk fight:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/10042192.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/16569559.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/49845467.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/42707396.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/71276884.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/76342910.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/18349404.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/61028857.jpg/

Originally posted by leonidas
strength is an overwhelming advantage to simon, as is durability. simon has also displayed some superspeed and he has more skill than most give him credit for. tactics and speed weren't enough to keep him from getting one-shot ko'd by a casual backhand from hulk. simon could do the same, easily. even giving it his ALL (and a surprise back attack), vell couldn't do more than stagger hulk for a moment. intiially hulk no-sold his punch. he's also been pushed to the limit by controller in h2h who is FAR inferior to simon and vell's durability is not that great as hulk showed.

vell could get some, but i'll give simon the majority, 6-7/10. anyway, for those who've not seen the hulk fight:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/10042192.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/16569559.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/49845467.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/42707396.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/71276884.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/76342910.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/18349404.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/61028857.jpg/

That was before his upgrade where his hair was blond as last seen.

That CM in your scans was a class 10 - 15 ...Not bad to slug it out with Hulk.

the controller fight was AFTER the upgrade though.....

Originally posted by leonidas
the controller fight was AFTER the upgrade though.....

Bare with me for a couple of minutes. Time to break out the old CM collection I must confirm. I think the Controller was massively amped from mind disks , but I'll check.
Even so, It doesn't take away from the speed and skill your scanned Mar-Vell before upgrade ( you're using an old version) was able to do against that Hulk.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Bare with me for a couple of minutes. Time to break out the old CM collection I must confirm. I think the Controller was massively amped from mind disks , but I'll check.
Even so, It doesn't take away from the speed and skill your scanned Mar-Vell before upgrade ( you're using an old version) was able to do against that Hulk.

sure. been a while since i read it too though i don't recall a massive amp.... and you're right--that was a decent showing against hulk. except for the whole one-shotting thing.....

tbf, mar-vell did beat the thing at some point (wish i could recall the issue) but simon is considerably stronger and more durable than ben. still the slight edge to simon imo. along with controller, mar-vell had loads of trouble with super skrull, and that was back before the skrull was what he is now. i think he could likely amp to about class 30. its his durability that would be an issue here.....

lol triple post ftw!

found the thing vs mar-vell fight i was looking for. it was right after the hulk fight. mar-vell won via plot device (electrocuted ben). figth was fairly even, though ben did seem to have the better of it on a couple occasions. he was also holding back and mar-vell was going all out. ben did put him down a couple times, but not for the count before cm used an electrical cable to stun ben. anyway, just more context for mar-vell.

Originally posted by leonidas
sure. been a while since i read it too though i don't recall a massive amp.... and you're right--that was a decent showing against hulk. except for the whole one-shotting thing.....

Ok, he fought a Controller who had just defeated a group of Avengers before the CM's power up. So it's your old school CM , not the most current version. That would be another good showing IMO for CM.


From CM # 28
Controller vs. Avengers

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/cm1e.jpg/
2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/cm2l.jpg/
3. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/cm3dl.jpg/
4. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/cm4l.jpg/

Here Controller explains the amp. And proceeds to beat ( pre power up CM).

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/cm5l.jpg/
2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/576/cm7wu.jpg/
3. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/cm8p.jpg/

The CM that should be used in this thread is after power up as last seen.

Receives power up. Until the power up Vell was a pure slugger.

Receives power up . Too many scans to post so just the important ones.

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/pu1e.jpg/
2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/207/pu2m.jpg/
3. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/pu3g.jpg/
4. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/pu4e.jpg/
5. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/pu5x.jpg/
6. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/pu6t.jpg/
7. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/pu7z.jpg/

This last version of CM is the one up for debate. The feats this CM displayed are far greater than WM'S.

Oh, there's the rematch with his new power set.

Controller vs. Vell part 2 Notice how Thanos knows Vell will win.

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/con1l.jpg/
2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/con2m.jpg/
3. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/con3o.jpg/
4. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/con4.jpg/
5. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/con5u.jpg/
6. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/con6p.jpg/
7. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/con7.jpg/
8. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/con8.jpg/
9. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/con9.jpg/
10. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/con10.jpg/
11. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/conthanos10.jpg/

I can produce many more scans of him using his more exotic powers.

cap

Originally posted by leonidas
tbf, mar-vell did beat the thing at some point (wish i could recall the issue) but simon is considerably stronger and more durable than ben. still the slight edge to simon imo. along with controller, mar-vell had loads of trouble with super skrull, and that was back before the skrull was what he is now. i think he could likely amp to about class 30. its his durability that would be an issue here.....

Again you're using old versions of Vell before the power up in other words you're low balling.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Again you're using old versions of Vell before the power up in other words you're low balling.

huh? lowballing? i said he had problems with the controller, and it was that second fight i was thinking of. and that contoller didn't seem to be amped in any real way (beyond his ordinary) class 50 he would normally be at, and he was taking everything vell threw at him. he likely would have lost, but....not a great showing for vell imo, as controller isn't all that powerful.

mar-vell displayed decent energy attacks after that upgrade, but simon's durable as hell. that seond controller fight really sort of cinched my original opinion for me. simon is much more durable, and far far stronger than controller. if vell had to work that hard against him, i'll still take simon for a slight majority.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? lowballing? i said he had problems with the controller, and it was that second fight i was thinking of. and that contoller didn't seem to be amped in any real way (beyond his ordinary) class 50 he would normally be at, and he was taking everything vell threw at him. he likely would have lost, but....not a great showing for vell imo, as controller isn't all that powerful.

mar-vell displayed decent energy attacks after that upgrade, but simon's durable as hell. that seond controller fight really sort of cinched my original opinion for me. simon is much more durable, and far far stronger than controller. if vell had to work that hard against him, i'll still take simon for a slight majority.

What durability feats do you have for Simon ?

Mar-Vell escapes the pull of a black hole.
1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/blackholet.jpg/

In Marvel Adventures: Fantastic Four #16 Mar-Vell gets punched from Saturn to Earth, and is up in four pages.

Or when he took a point blank explosion from Nitro.

What to get into speed, or the way he absorbs energy ?

Mar-Vell can always BFR into the negative zone as he did to the Super Adaptoid.

Closes a space rip with his sons help.

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/rip1c.jpg/

2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/rip2o.jpg/

I was gonna post that Simon wins the majority with only moderate difficulty. Then I saw how he was beaten in that Avengers Annual by b|tch@$$ Iron Man

Captain Mar-vell wins almost every time via energy absorption

Originally posted by Don Corleone
What durability feats do you have for Simon ?

Mar-Vell escapes the pull of a black hole.
1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/blackholet.jpg/

don't really see that helping here....





non-canon......



and died later....



yeah, i think that's the best route for him to win, bby absorbing. but i don't see him doing that often. with cis on he's more likely to go h2h and blast.



yes, THAT he could do. it's a personal thing though--i never count bfr's as wins. if you want to say he could bfr him, he would win 10/10.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Closes a space rip with his sons help.

1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/rip1c.jpg/

2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/rip2o.jpg/

again, not sure how that helps in a fight. as far as simon's durability, he's gone for prolonged lengths of time against all of marvel's top bricks, stalemated nearly all of them, including the hulk and hercules and even had thor nearly beaten when he didn't have his hammer. he survived a massive blast from kang's damocles base, embarrassed ben, beat ultron, ko'd the abomination, punked goliath on multiple occasions.....

if cap resorts to energy absorbtion (and scans of him absorbing exotic energy) he'll win some. depending on proof, he could take the majority if you feel that is in character for him. i see cap going h2h and blasting. in that scenario, simon would win the majority imo.

Originally posted by leonidas




and died later....

From an effect of closing a gas canister NOT from the blast. Get your facts right if you're going to try and debate. You have shown no evidence to help your cause. Didn't know you were so biased. Always thought of you as a serious debater, guess I was wrong.

Don't address me again unless you want to battlezone.


P.S. Wonderman = Energy , something Vell could absorb at will. That get's the forum win...

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Originally posted by leonidas




and died later....

From an effect of closing a gas canister NOT from the blast. Get your facts right if you're going to try and debate. You have shown no evidence to help your cause. Didn't know you were so biased. Always thought of you as a serious debater, guess I was wrong.

Don't address me again unless you want to battlezone.


P.S. Wonderman = Energy , something Vell could absorb at will. That get's the forum win...



imagine how crushed i am to have "disappointed" you.

pretty sure everyone knew it was from the effects of the gas and it still speaks to his body's overall durability. and i love the irony of your hissy-fit. you use a non-canon source to show durability and criticize MY debating? amusing? and i'm biased? lol? i've debated FOR cm many times, and showed any number of cm scans in the past. it's you who seem to have the problem with a character here.

then you say I'VE shown no proof? er, i could post all of simon's battles that i mentioned, but....why? it's common knowledge simon has handled people on cm's level (and higher) often. you've shown...... exactly nothing in return. nothing. the controller? seriously?

as regards your energy absorbing tactic: i already said it could/would work, but asked for some proof he could do it. i also questioned whether he would do so given his typical battle style and said he could win 10/10 with bfr. omg, that's soooooo biased!!1!

even if you showed he could absorb simon (which IS a possibility), i also don't see it as something he'd do in every battle as he has thor's warrioresque mentality. yep, sounds pretty biased and unreasonable to me.

and.....if you don't want to be replied to (a) don't post in an open forum, or (b) use your ignore button. doesn't matter to me. i couldn't care less which you do.

as far as a bz: i couldn't care less about this battle. i don't even particularly like simon so i'll pass on a bz at the moment. this thread WAS just fine, and bz'ing something i could not care less about isn't really something i'm interested in, thanks.

Originally posted by leonidas


imagine how crushed i am to have "disappointed" you.

pretty sure everyone knew it was from the effects of the gas and it still speaks to his body's overall durability. and i love the irony of your hissy-fit. you use a non-canon source to show durability and criticize MY debating? amusing? and i'm biased? lol? i've debated FOR cm many times, and showed any number of cm scans in the past. it's you who seem to have the problem with a character here.

then you say I'VE shown no proof? er, i could post all of simon's battles that i mentioned, but....why? it's common knowledge simon has handled people on cm's level (and higher) often. you've shown...... exactly nothing in return. nothing. the controller? seriously?

as regards your energy absorbing tactic: i already said it could/would work, but asked for some proof he could do it. i also questioned whether he would do so given his typical battle style and said he could win 10/10 with bfr. omg, that's soooooo biased!!1!

even if you showed he could absorb simon (which IS a possibility), i also don't see it as something he'd do in every battle as he has thor's warrioresque mentality. yep, sounds pretty biased and unreasonable to me.

and.....if you don't want to be replied to (a) don't post in an open forum, or (b) use your ignore button. doesn't matter to me. i couldn't care less which you do.

as far as a bz: i couldn't care less about this battle. i don't even particularly like simon so i'll pass on a bz at the moment. this thread WAS just fine, and bz'ing something i could not care less about isn't really something i'm interested in, thanks.

You're a fool , and a scholar. Let's just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
You're a fool , and a scholar. Let's just agree to disagree.

all righty.

Mar-Vell has beaten people on Simon's level

Ronan, Super Skrull, Annihilus... etc.

He's also got the ability to amp to quite a large degree (he once absorbed enough energy to create a whole sun in the Negative Zone). And he was matching Drax back in the same issues where Drax was destroying planetoids, and ripped out the core of a small sun.

He's not out of his league here, but he will have a difficult time with WM.

Toss up IMO, with a slight edge to Mar-Vell