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Galactus at full power full fed etc vs Abraxas at his best, who wins and why?

Originally posted by Galan007

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Abraxas wins.

Galactus +UN= Abraxas begging for mercy!

abraxas kills him before he activates the UN.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
abraxas kills him before he activates the UN.

right like he did last time, oh that's right he didn't!

Abraxas is not omniscient , Galactus is!

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Originally posted by the Darkone
right like he did last time, oh that's right he didn't!

Abraxas is not omniscient , Galactus is!

Galactus. Abraxas thought holding the UN was what would give him the edge over Big G but his plan failed pretty quick and Galactus calling him nothing!

Abraxas for the easy win.

Now if Galactus has the UN and fires it before Abraxas reacts,
then big G for the easy win.

That aside ...

Abraxas not stopping Reed while Reed is jobbing is PIS!

Abraxas with a thought killed all the alternate Reed's in all Realities,
while simultaneously enjoying watching 616 Reed slowly die.

Instead of Abraxas telling Reed ... "don't do it Reed, blah, blah"
and Reed actually having time to reply 3 sentences and THEN fire the UN ...

Abraxas should've just thought Reed away or the plethora of other options
that would've easily either stopped Reed,
or willed the UN back to himself just like G took it from him.

Abraxas was able to atomize Silver Surfer from Universes away,
but Reed can pull that off standing several feet from Abraxas.

Point is ...

In a forum setting cis/pis are off unless specified otherwise,
unlike in comics where the story has to end so pis is their easy way out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas for the easy win.

Now if Galactus has the UN and fires it before Abraxas reacts,
then big G for the easy win.

That aside ...

Abraxas not stopping Reed while Reed is jobbing is PIS!

Abraxas with a thought killed all the alternate Reed's in all Realities,
while simultaneously enjoying watching 616 Reed slowly die.

Instead of Abraxas telling Reed ... "don't do it Reed, blah, blah"
and Reed actually having time to reply 3 sentences and THEN fire the UN ...

Abraxas should've just thought Reed away or the plethora of other options
that would've easily either stopped Reed,
or willed the UN back to himself just like G took it from him.

Abraxas was able to atomize Silver Surfer from Universes away,
but Reed can pull that off standing several feet from Abraxas.

Point is ...

In a forum setting cis/pis are off unless specified otherwise,
unlike in comics where the story has to end so pis is their easy way out.

I don't think it is. The main reason the other Reeds were dying in the first place was because the Reed of 616 dying, not that Abraxas was effecting them himself..

If Abraxas began an attack on Reed with it in his possession he risked being destroyed along with everything else, with Reed using the UN on Abraxas. He wouldn't gain anything from that, so he tried to talk Reed into not using it, and failed.

The UN is not a piece of Abraxas, so that is not plausible!

That was not Abraxas, it was merely a wraith of micro-organisms and nothing more.

Since ozz81 said Galactus was at full power (lol) and etc, I think he would have the UN and would win imo, if not it would be hard to say since Abraxas didn't show to much of what he could do vs real threats (besides killing Roma with a kiss )..

you dont get it.

Possibly te only thing preventing Reed from dying could have been Galactus acting as interference... Basically saying big g has the stuff to slow or stop Abraxas... While the nullifier can put Abraxas down.

doubt it.

Galactus seemingly hurt Abraxas when he pulled the UN away.

And if Abraxas would have killed Reed then Galactus would have simply UN'ed him. He just thought Reed might not have done it.

He could have blink galactus out of exitance before he reacted

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
you dont get it.

Please let me know when you have read the whole story, ok?

Originally posted by rotiart
Possibly te only thing preventing Reed from dying could have been Galactus acting as interference... Basically saying big g has the stuff to slow or stop Abraxas... While the nullifier can put Abraxas down.

He was killing him but didn't get to finish because the Nullifier was making a noise and Galactus was reformed drawing his attention away from Reed. We can clearly see Reed getting up with no ill effects in the second scan! Galactus gave the UN to Reed for the purpose of ending the multiverse to realign it!

Originally posted by kevdude

I don't think it is.

The main reason the other Reeds were dying in the first place was
because the Reed of 616 dying,
not that Abraxas was effecting them himself..
Well then no wonder you don't think it is, cause you're using logic
based on your personal rendition of what happened.

In actuality,
Abraxas was killing 616 Reed,
and every Reed alternate across all Realities simultaneously,
under his own power.

Simple.

Abraxas is the anti-thesis to the power of the Multiversal space-time continuum,
it's in his power set to reach across creation to stomp whoever,
he did it to Surfer, and Namorita, and even mighty Uatu.
Originally posted by kevdude

If Abraxas began an attack on Reed with it in his possession he
risked being destroyed along with everything else, with Reed using
the UN on Abraxas. He wouldn't gain anything from that, so he
tried to talk Reed into not using it, and failed.
Again, your thinking for Abraxas based on soundless grounds.

Who said, on panel or in a bio,
or where was it alluded that Abraxas was afraid to attack Reed
cause he thought he risked destroying himself? ... huh?

Dude, it's a comic.

Abraxas and Reed together almost monologued, are you kidding?

Abraxas (a Cosmic Concept that embodies the destruction of the Omniverse)
not that he needed it , but yea, with all that time on his hands,
was freakin more than capable to do a host of things to stop Reed,
and get himself out of that situation.
Originally posted by kevdude

The UN is not a piece of Abraxas, so that is not plausible!
The UN is a hand held weapon,
why wouldn't Abraxas be able to will that shit out of Reed's hands?

Yea, Galactus is able to will out of Abraxas' hands because it is a part of him,
in that scenario that's where that detail fits, otherwise, any psionic
should be able to throw the UN around, it's just an object until used.
Originally posted by kevdude

That was not Abraxas,
it was merely a wraith of micro-organisms and nothing more.


What? ...

.. anyway, that was Abraxas applying his power from UniverseS away.

Let's see what excuse you're going to try and make up when Abraxas blinded, comatose Uatu also from UniverseS away.
Originally posted by kevdude

Since ozz81 said Galactus was at full power (lol) and etc, I think
he would have the UN and would win imo, if not it would be hard to
say since Abraxas didn't show to much of what he could do vs real
threats (besides killing Roma with a kiss)..
Like I said, Galactus with the UN if he hits Abraxas before he can react,
it's an easy win for G.

But you're funny saying Abraxas didn't show what he could do, yada, yada.

I guess when the power of the Multiversal space-time continuum is helpless against you,
it clearly shows what a minute player you are in the game of mighty cosmics,
meh, aside from folding Universes just by his approaching presence,
having universal creator Franklin running for dear life or
making the Multiverse shift like the ocean on a sand castle,
or, or ... or

Galactus wins instantly with the UN.

Galactus at "Full Power" (sans UN) would give Abraxas a good fight, imo, but still lose every time.

Abraxas would slaughter regular (Odin headbutt) Galactus without even having to lift his hand.

Where do I begin with this?? Lets start here from the beginning and work our way to the end.



It is not my persoonal rendition of what happened, its just what happened in the comic...

He had an encounter with Namorita while searching for Valeria and Franklin, he was their himself!! Surfer died from the small fraction of power that was Abraxas's, Reed said it was microbiotic and a wraith, giving the appearancee he was there, but was just to taunt and warn them! Dealing with Uatu I'll fill you in with that in a few.. was disoriented and then nearly comatose because of the Galactus Head that was causing a disturbance in the space-time continuum!!!



By the way he was acting of course, or have you not see his facial expressions while Reed was in possession of the UN?? IF he could have gotten out of that situation he would have!!





You don't have to tell me what the UN is, I already know. I would say he could try to will it out of Reed's hands but thats the problem MM, its IN Reeds hands NOT Abraxas's hands! It makes no sense at all that Abraxas would try to will it out of Reeds hands! It is an object until used yes but it was an object that Reed was holding close to him and wouldn't let go!



Uatu the Watcher was disoriented and then nearly comatose because of the Galactus Head that was causing a disturbance in the space-time continuum !!! Abraxas did not attack him at the moon until later, with the Silver Surfer, Moondragon, Quasar, Captain Marvel and the Fantastic Four battling his cadra.



I didn't see him fold any universe just by approaching them, he killed a bunch of no name Galactus's which I'm sure was powerful but we don't know how powerful, this merged those realities with the 616 Earth!!! In the end the FF found the UN and realigned the multiverse, and the first Galactus 616 seemed to not care that Abraxas was right next to him and he called him nothing!! Take it for what you will (which I'm sure you will).

616 Galactus destroys Abraxas pretty easily like he did on panel

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus wins instantly with the UN.

Galactus at "Full Power" (sans UN) would give Abraxas a good fight, imo, but still lose every time.

Abraxas would slaughter regular (Odin headbutt) Galactus without even having to lift his hand.

Originally posted by kevdude

Where do I begin with this??

Lets start here from the beginning and work our way to the end.
Before I I start here and work the rest, I can't tell where your info is coming from,
it's either you're just making stuff up and getting a giggle out of it or
you're playing the ol' 'let's debate without knowing what the hell we're talking about' game.
Originally posted by kevdude

It is not my persoonal rendition of what happened,
its just what happened in the comic...
It's your persoonal rendition of what happened,
it's not what happened in the comic.
Originally posted by kevdude

He had an encounter with Namorita while searching for Valeria and Franklin,
he was their himself!!
This is about the only thing you posted that sorta relates to the truth.

Actually though, he never needed to encounter Namorita to kill her.

In fact, he killed her without even trying, he wasn't even the room,
heck, he didn't even care to find her there dead.

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But this is a minor issue,
the rest of your post is really where your whole argument is based on fallacies.
Originally posted by kevdude

Surfer died from the small fraction of power that was Abraxas's,
Reed said it was microbiotic and a wraith, giving the appearancee he was there,
but was just to taunt and warn them!
Yea, that was Abraxas' power being applied from UniverseS away.

Abraxas was literally controlling everything there from UniverseS away.


From the speed and trajectory of the Galactus head:

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To the creature army that attacked the heroes,
to the microbiotic particles that made up the mist and goo which incinerated Surfer
to the Alternate Universes merging,
to Uatu getting mind wiped and then comatose, even getting half his emblem taken.

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Heck, concerning the microbiotic particles,
Abraxas' power being willed at specific targets across UniverseS is further proven here:

Reed handles the microbiotic particles and they don't hurt him at all:

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But the microbiotic particles (a fraction of Abraxas' power)
are consciously being controlled by Abraxas, since well, it's his power after all.

After going for Uatu's comatose body,
Abraxas specifically attacks Surfer (via the mist/particles) and incinerates him.

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So I suppose you agree that Abraxas killed Surfer,
wiped Uatu's memory and comatose him as well,
and was also merging Alternates

... all from so far away from the 616 Reality Abraxas needed a navigation beacon to get there.

Originally posted by kevdude

Dealing with Uatu I'll fill you in with that in a few..
You're going to "fill me in?" ... LOL ... You got jokes.
Originally posted by kevdude

was disoriented and then nearly comatose
because of the Galactus Head that was causing a disturbance in the space-time continuum!!!
False!

The Galactus head had absolutely nothing to do with Uatu getting mind swiped
or the Multiversal space-time continuum being upset.

Love the way you just made that up.

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On Panel, Abraxas was phukin up "ALL Eternity" (Multiversal Space-time Continuum)

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Originally posted by kevdude

By the way he was acting of course, or have you not see his facial expressions while Reed was in possession of the UN??

IF he could have gotten out of that situation he would have!!
If Abraxas would've gotten out of that situation then the story can't end.
Originally posted by kevdude

You don't have to tell me what the UN is, I already know.
I would say he could try to will it out of Reed's hands but thats the problem MM,
its IN Reeds hands NOT Abraxas's hands! It makes no sense at all that Abraxas
would try to will it out of Reeds hands! It is an object until used yes but it was an
object that Reed was holding close to him and wouldn't let go!
How can it not make sense for Abraxas to take the UN from Reed,
or to simply think Reed dead, or whatever other option to stop Reed.

What the hell are you talking about Kev?

You think Reed's grip > Abraxas' power?

Goodness, I hope not.
Originally posted by kevdude

Uatu the Watcher was disoriented and then nearly comatose because of the
Galactus Head that was causing a disturbance in the space-time continuum !!!

Abraxas did not attack him at the moon until later, with the Silver Surfer,
Moondragon, Quasar, Captain Marvel and the Fantastic Four battling his cadra.
False again!

Nearly two entire issues before Abraxas appears in 616,
he's already wiped away Uatu's memory, stolen his emblem and further comatose him later:

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If there's any doubt Abraxas did this (under his own power) BEFORE he entered 616:

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/10566356_A10.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/10566352_A11.jpg

You can kiss dem doubts good bye now. **
Originally posted by kevdude

I didn't see him fold any universe just by approaching them
Perhaps you should read the story then,
or read up on the character and see what he is in Marvel.

Basically the most dangerous and powerful Conceptual entity in Marvel.

Or rather,
can you explain how the Multiverse was shifting violently like the ocean on a sand castle,
or how alternate Universes were merging with each other and 616?

Please don't come back with the ridiculous "Galactus head" bull shit.
Originally posted by kevdude

he killed a bunch of no name Galactus's which I'm sure was powerful but we don't
know how powerful,

this merged those realities with the 616 Earth!!!
"no name Galactuses" huh? ...
I remember a no name Galactus where the LT's help was needed to erase him from existence.

That aside,

wait, so you think Abraxas was merging Realities by killing Alternate Galactuses?

You really did come into this debate with me without thinking this through.
Originally posted by kevdude

In the end the FF found the UN and realigned the multiverse,
and the first Galactus 616 seemed to not care that Abraxas was right next to him
and he called him nothing!! Take it for what you will (which I'm sure you will).
Yea, Abraxas was "nothing" ... facepalm

Galactus was confident because the UN
which he knows can stop Abraxas was right in front of him,
and evidently so,
for Galactus calls Abraxas "nothing" while summoning the UN to his hands.

maybe the dark man returns

remember galactus keeps him at bay

i would give odds to the celestials over abraxas

listen to guy222 according to the many ppl i have tweeted editors in chief...editors....writers celestials >>> galactus there's ur winner of galactus vs celestials

simple friends just tweet or as a friend has said for many years write marvel

and abraxas ftw

Celestials would get butt raped also!!!

Originally posted by guy222
maybe the dark man returns

remember galactus keeps him at bay

i would give odds to the celestials over abraxas

listen to guy222 according to the many ppl i have tweeted editors in chief...editors....writers celestials >>> galactus there's ur winner of galactus vs celestials

simple friends just tweet or as a friend has said for many years write marvel

and abraxas ftw

Where have you heard about him returning Guy??


Going to have to agree to disagree with you MM on some of these things! Take care.