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Kuurth have the power of Cyttorak and The Serpent on his side here. This is Full Powered Kuurth.

Who wins?

Is Death considered a higher power than Kuurth and Cyttorak?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Is Death considered a higher power than Kuurth and Cyttorak? Yeah easily.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah easily.

It was a rhetorical question.

Thanos wins. Kuurth took on some mutants and won. Big deal.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thanos wins. Kuurth took on some mutants and won. Big deal.

Hope was one of those mutants along with numerous of other power houses.

Originally posted by carver9
Hope was one of those mutants along with numerous of other power houses.

^ Kuurth defeated the entirety of Utopia, the Thunderbolts and the Initiative.

People don't generally even give Thanos the win against classic Juggernaut and now we have amped classic Juggernaut here with a Mjolnir-type weapon. /shrug

Thanos wins

Kuurth with Cytorrak enhancement was a planetary threat.

Modern Thanos with no tech was a galactic threat.

The thing about the Thanos Imperative was he was gradually rising in levels during the whole saga. Rocket Raccoon confirmed it. But in Thanos' most primitive state he destroyed a faith based capital church planet full of psychic Cardinals and peak tech before the cavalry could teleport in and assess the situation. The guy proved he could near instant regen any damage. And as an Avatar of Death could kill any unkillable creature.

I see Thanos even withstanding any kind of psychic attack from Kuurth. Thanos withstood insane levels of mental resistance whilst journeying through many states of astral awareness to test his mettle.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Kuurth with Cytorrak enhancement was a planetary threat.

Modern Thanos with no tech was a galactic threat.

The thing about the Thanos Imperative was he was gradually rising in levels during the whole saga. Rocket Raccoon confirmed it. But in Thanos' most primitive state he destroyed a faith based capital church planet full of psychic Cardinals and peak tech before the cavalry could teleport in and assess the situation. The guy proved he could near instant regen any damage. And as an Avatar of Death could kill any unkillable creature.

I see Thanos even withstanding any kind of psychic attack from Kuurth. Thanos withstood insane levels of mental resistance whilst journeying through many states of astral awareness to test his mettle.

All true. Thanos resisted being turned into a vegetable, that as stated on panel, "anyone less than himself would be destroyed". Concerning his mental faculties, as this was a mental feat, that had physical consequences attached to it, hence the word dichotomy, or resisting being dichotomized. The question here, is how would Thanos hurt Kuurth on a physical level, and would Kuurth be able to hurt Thanos?

I see BFR as a simple win for Thanos in this case, as well as mind rape if he managed to pry that helmet off. My take on things for the Thanos win, is that if he manipulated Kuurth on a psychological level via telepathy, and then hit him with his impressive mystical abilities, while Kuurth was confused, that he would completely dominate this battle. That of course is one possibility of many possible outcomes.

Kuurth can't be bfred.

Originally posted by carver9
Kuurth can't be bfred.


Can he be telepathically shut down?

Originally posted by Stoic
Can he be telepathically shut down?

Already been tried by Emma and she almost died trying to enter his mind. She had a seizure and was foaming at the mouth and he was still walking like nothing happened. So no, he can't be messed with telepathically.

All of your answers are here. He is truly unstoppable .

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If Thanos blasts him backwards hard enough, Kuurth goes into critical mode and blows up

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Thanos blasts him backwards hard enough, Kuurth goes into critical mode and blows up

Sigh.

lulz at Emma Frost being Thanos lvl in TP.

What's Thanos best TP ft? Who is the most powerful person Thanos has shut down telepathically.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh. You don't get the right to sigh at anyone's posts

Originally posted by carver9
What's Thanos best TP ft? Who is the most powerful person Thanos has shut down telepathically. Moondragon, during the time when she was eslaving whole planets with TP and that was a weaker pre rez Thanos.

He mind wiped the Fallen One and shut the Maker mind down completely.

It took Moondragon,Cosmo and Mantis to mind control him whilst he was weak, they even stated that lesser mind would have been melted with the power they was using against him.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You don't get the right to sigh at anyone's posts

Sigh* Sigh*

Originally posted by Nihilist
Moondragon, during the time when she was eslaving whole planets with TP and that was a weaker pre rez Thanos.

He mind wiped the Fallen One and shut the Maker mind down completely.

It took Moondragon,Cosmo and Mantis to mind control him whilst he was weak, they even stated that lesser mind would have been melted with the power they was using against him.

That's not enough. Emma is one of the most powerful TP user on the planet and her brain almost fried just by trying to enter Kuurth brain. That wouldn't be a smart idea from Thanos.

Very interesting, from those scans, Kuurth would not be easy to take down. I'm not sure if TP is a viable approach to beating him, as I read that he was not in control of his mind, but bound up by the Serpent, who was the forefront persona. It seems nothing less than a super sized exorcism, Emily Rose style would free him from that.

Getting pushed back by new Juggernaut caused the runes he'd been setting up to collapse in on themselves, and getting close to critical mass. Also, Thanos doesn't have unstoppable forward momentum, nor will Kuurth be dropping runes as he walks across the planet to gather followers.

Originally posted by carver9
That's not enough. Emma is one of the most powerful TP user on the planet and her brain almost fried just by trying to enter Kuurth brain. That wouldn't be a smart idea from Thanos. More blatant lowballin.

Thanos mind was powerful enough MD with mind gem couldnt see into his mind, hell Xman was shit scared to look into a weaker clones mind.

3 top MU telepaths can only just contain him mentally whilst he is weak and you say he aint got enough

Kuurth was depowered when Colossus pushed him and even at a depowered state, he was delivering punches that was shattering Colossonaut bones.

Originally posted by Nihilist
More blatant lowballin.

Thanos mind was powerful enough MD with mind gem couldnt see into his mind, hell Xman was shit scared to look into a weaker clones mind.

3 top MU telepaths can only just contain him mentally whilst he is weak and you say he aint got enough

Can you ever debate without saying someone is lowballing or without criticising or calling people trolls. Are you civil at all?

Ad for the rest of your comment...I never said Thanos wasn't resistant but his TP isn't working on Kuurth and going that route might put him in more danger than anything.

Unless Thanos showed TP on a level that's a threat to someone like Odin, who Serpent was stronger than. TP'ing Kuurth won't really work out. And yeah, Kuurth solely powered by Serpent was still wrecking Colossus, just couldn't stop his forward momentum.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you ever debate without saying someone is lowballing or without criticising or calling people trolls. Are you civil at all? Yeah when they arent lowballin or trolling, which is all you do.

put him in danger, Thanos would cream Emma in a tp fight, he owned MD with ease and MD has tp feats way above Emma.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah when they arent lowballin or trolling, which is all you do.

put him in danger, Thanos would cream Emma in a tp fight, he owned MD with ease and MD has tp feats way above Emma.

I'm done debating with you. When you grow the hell up and act like you don't take medication on a day to day basis, then we can debate but until then, continue talking to yourself.

Holla.

My thing here is also factoring in on Kuurths speed. Who would have enough time to attempt a mind assault against an arguably faster, or as fast opponent? The idea that Cain was demonically possessed by a creature as powerful as the Serpent makes saying that Thanos or anyone else taking over the vessel speculative at best. So this is a huge unknown. Let's say on the chance that Thanos were able to telepathically take control of his vessel, which he was given pause when the Ghost entered him, and used mysticism, the likes that were used on Galactus, Thanos could take this. But, there's that small to large problem in physically restraining the beast, removing the helmet, and doing all of the above. Not an easy task.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm done debating with you. When you grow the hell up and act like you don't take medication on a day to day basis, then we can debate but until then, continue talking to yourself.

Holla. Another excuse from you, dont lowball and troll your way through every debate and you wont get called on it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Another excuse from you, dont lowball and troll youre way through every debate and you wont get called on it. Valid point

Originally posted by Stoic
My thing here is also factoring in on Kuurths speed. Who would have enough time to attempt a mind assault against an arguably faster, or as fast opponent? The idea that Cain was demonically possessed by a creature as powerful as the Serpent makes saying that Thanos or anyone else taking over the vessel speculative at best. So this is a huge unknown. Let's say on the chance that Thanos were able to telepathically take control of his vessel, which he was given pause when the Ghost entered him, and used mysticism, the likes that were used on Galactus, Thanos could take this. But, there's that small to large problem in physically restraining the beast, removing the helmet, and doing all of the above. Not an easy task.

Pretty much but what Ghost did to him was kind of different than a TP attack...ghost entered his body. I don't think Thanos could do that.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Valid point

Let me know when you are ready.

Originally posted by carver9
Let me know when you are ready. For what? A debate? How many times do you need to lose to me to realize you're no good?

I've seen you do the same to Rage and Pr, so I'm not too worried about you thinking you're anything special.

Hell, I think I've even made you leave this forum "forever" (for a day)

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
For what? A debate? How many times do you need to lose to me to realize you're no good?

I've seen you do the same to Rage and Pr, so I'm not too worried about you thinking you're anything special.

Hell, I think I've even made you leave this forum "forever" (for a day)

Lol...I guess that means you are not ready. I don't mind bumping a thread me and you had a debate in. Let me know.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
For what? A debate? How many times do you need to lose to me to realize you're no good?

I've seen you do the same to Rage and Pr, so I'm not too worried about you thinking you're anything special.

Hell, I think I've even made you leave this forum "forever" (for a day) Offer Carver a BZ seeing as he wants to take you on, il bet he wont accept.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I guess that means you are not ready. I don't mind bumping a thread me and you had a debate in. Let me know. Go ahead, you and me both know that doesn't end well for you. "why are you always picking on me" "I'm done with KMC", etc.

I remembered when I challenged Carver to a BZ lol

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Go ahead, you and me both know that doesn't end well for you. "why are you always picking on me" "I'm done with KMC", etc.


I never said that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Offer Carver a BZ seeing as he wants to take you on, il bet he wont accept.

Stay out of grown folks business.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that. Two days ago:
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...why do you have to do me like this Bieb? I just don't get it.

Originally posted by carver9
Stay out of grown folks business. Grown folks!! you lulz

Stop acting like youre some kind of debate machine, you contradict yourself in almost every post.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Two days ago:

I was just playing with you. Can't believe you took that serious.

Originally posted by carver9
I was just playing with you. Can't believe you took that serious. You're also a liar and inconsistent.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You're also a liar and inconsistent.

You THINK I lie and I'm not inconsistent at all. Why are you trying to change the subject? Would you like for me to bump the thread or what?

Originally posted by carver9
You THINK I lie and I'm not inconsistent at all. Why are you trying to change the subject? Would you like for me to bump the thread or what? You do lie. You were caught by Jake and Quan lying recently, and being inconsitent.

There is no subject. You're trying to challenge me to a debate. I don't know why, since you're taking your own thread off topic...

I already said yes. As for which thread you could be talking about, no idea, don't care.

Kuurth most likely wins this.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much but what Ghost did to him was kind of different than a TP attack...ghost entered his body. I don't think Thanos could do that.

He could do that. Ghosts interfacing with Kuurth was a type of TP assault. If it were physical he would have never been able to see Cain bound the way that he was, which seemed from my perspective to be quasi metaphysics/empathic. Thanos did this with Galactus, although he did need to be stabilized, and anchored by Moondragon. This makes his ability of being able to enter the Serpent/demonically possessed Cain arguable. Not impossible, but a giant question mark. Not sure if he would have the time to do all of that however, because Kuurth would not just be sitting there asking him to pick out what his favorite brand of creme glacee (Ice cream) is.

Originally posted by Stoic
He could do that. Ghosts interfacing with Kuurth was a type of TP assault. If it were physical he would have never been able to see Cain bound the way that he was, which seemed from my perspective to be quasi metaphysics/empathic. Thanos did this with Galactus, although he did need to be stabilized, and anchored by Moondragon. This makes his ability of being able to enter the Serpent/demonically possessed Cain arguable. Not impossible, but a giant question mark. Not sure if he would have the time to do all of that however, because Kuurth would not just be sitting there asking him to pick out what his favorite brand of creme glacee (Ice cream) is.

It became more of a TP attack once he entered his body magically. Without him phasing through Juggernauts body, none of that would have happened.

Thanos can go astral

It wasn't an astral attack.

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't an astral attack. So. Thanos can still go astral and use tp, as he did against the doppleganger.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So. Thanos can still go astral and use tp, as he did against the doppleganger.

I agree...I'm not disputing that.

Still, since Serpent was running the show, Thanos would have to be able to outmuscle him, not Cain.

Originally posted by KingD19
Still, since Serpent was running the show, Thanos would have to be able to outmuscle him, not Cain.

Therein lies the problem. He would not be wrestling against the shackled Cain persona, but against the demonic Serpent entity.

Originally posted by Stoic
Therein lies the problem. He would not be wrestling against the shackled Cain persona, but against the demonic Serpent entity. Thanos is back by Death herself.

Death>>>>Odin>>>Serpent.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos is back by Death herself.

Death>>>>Odin>>>Serpent.

I understand this. Which gives him a very good chance of weathering anything thrown at him in terms of fatal blows, and his general monstrous damage soak. The thing is that Cain had Cytorrak's hand on him, and the Serpent. Thanos did not have the power of his mistress. What I'm saying is that Kuurth would not be fighting Death personified, but one gifted by it's touch. I'm trying to look at this objectively, and finding any chink in either of their armor is my way of starting.

On one hand Kuurth was capable of being invaded, so this is not impossible. While on this hand Thanos was capable of be knocked out during TI. I have yet to see him even at full power being able to completely be immune to being knocked out, since it happened during TI.

Kuurth was a beast, of this we can be certain.

Originally posted by Stoic
I understand this. Which gives him a very good chance of weathering anything thrown at him in terms of fatal blows, and his general monstrous damage soak. The thing is that Cain had Cytorrak's hand on him, and the Serpent. Thanos did not have the power of his mistress. What I'm saying is that Kuurth would not be fighting Death personified, but one gifted by it's touch. I'm trying to look at this objectively, and finding any chink in either of their armor is my way of starting.

On one hand Kuurth was capable of being invaded, so this is not impossible. While on this hand Thanos was capable of be knocked out during TI. I have yet to see him even at full power being able to completely be immune to being knocked out, since it happened during TI.

Kuurth was a beast, of this we can be certain. He never got knocked out in TI.

Guy's been KO'ed by physical attacks less than Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He never got knocked out in TI.

Guy's been KO'ed by physical attacks less than Juggernaut.

Thanos was never out cold during his first moments out of the cocoon? i mean when he was not at full power. Sorry I thought he was, my bad.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos was never out cold during his first moments out of the cocoon? i mean when he was not at full power. Sorry I thought he was, my bad. He killed Phyla-Vell in the first second out of it...

Thanos is a resourceful f*ck, is pretty powerful and has insane damage soak but I'm not entirely sure how he'd go about winning. Utopia threw every mutant they could at him (Short of Legion) and failed miserably.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos is a resourceful f*ck, is pretty powerful and has insane damage soak but I'm not entirely sure how he'd go about winning. Utopia threw every mutant they could at him (Short of Legion) and failed miserably. This.
Although the X-Men were nowhere close to Thanos, but still.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He killed Phyla-Vell in the first second out of it...


I have to go back and read TI over. I was going through a lot at that time. School was hell.

Originally posted by Stoic
I have to go back and read TI over. I was going through a lot at that time. School was hell. Originally posted by Galan007
He back.

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Thanos' body also took the Galactus attack too at point blank... if that counts for anything.
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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Thanos' body also took the Galactus attack too at point blank... if that counts for anything.
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Yeah I'd say it counts for loads. I just can't see how either puts the other one down though? I've Got nothing. The messed up part is that Kuurth broke Colossus' skull, and several bones during their brief clash. How many guys can do that? Add Cyttorak's gifts, and the Serpent's power, and you have a freak in the durability department, all in all this guy was powerful. think about it, the Juggernaut alone took the G-Blast without suffering damage.

I'm not impressed with the Galactus showing...Rulk survived a blast more powerful from big g.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah I'd say it counts for loads. I just can't see how either puts the other one down though? I've Got nothing. The messed up part is that Kuurth broke Colossus' skull, and several bones during their brief clash. How many guys can do that? Add Cyttorak's gifts, and the Serpent's power, and you have a freak in the durability department, all in all this guy was powerful. think about it, the Juggernaut alone took the G-Blast without suffering damage. I don't see Kuurth losing, outside his plot device "Weakness". I have a hard time seeing him win, but I certainly don't see him losing. Thanos is really durable, and has shields so it'd take a while, but if someone's going down, it's him.

That said, Thanos would obliterate just Kuurth without his Juggernaut enhancements.

Although you could make the case Kuurth wasn't close to invincible if you stack up both Colossonaut and Kuurth's durability together, but I'm not going to go there.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not impressed with the Galactus showing...Rulk survived a blast more powerful from big g. The Galactus showing was when Galactus annihilated the Annihilation Wave. Weakened Annihilus through the Quantum Band protection and his indestructible armor (Quasar took a blast that would have killed all the heralds in TI with no ill effects). Destroyed a Watcher. And it hit Thanos point blank when Thanos was basically dead.

Red Hulk just got shot with an eyeblast not dissimilar to what Surfer has been hit with... while he had Surfer's powers. And it wasn't even 616 Galactus.

lol. You.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
The Galactus showing was when Galactus annihilated the Annihilation Wave. Weakened Annihilus through the Quantum Band protection and his indestructible armor (Quasar took a blast that would have killed all the heralds in TI with no ill effects). Destroyed a Watcher. And it hit Thanos point blank when Thanos was basically dead.

Red Hulk just got shot with an eyeblast not dissimilar to what Surfer has been hit with... while he had Surfer's powers. And it wasn't even 616 Galactus.

lol. You.

It wasn't 616 Galactus? I thought it was him, but just from another time period.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't see Kuurth losing, outside his plot device "Weakness". I have a hard time seeing him win, but I certainly don't see him losing. Thanos is really durable, and has shields so it'd take a while, but if someone's going down, it's him.

That said, Thanos would obliterate just Kuurth without his Juggernaut enhancements.

Although you could make the case Kuurth wasn't close to invincible if you stack up both Colossonaut and Kuurth's durability together, but I'm not going to go there.

I agree, on all counts.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
The Galactus showing was when Galactus annihilated the Annihilation Wave. Weakened Annihilus through the Quantum Band protection and his indestructible armor (Quasar took a blast that would have killed all the heralds in TI with no ill effects). Destroyed a Watcher. And it hit Thanos point blank when Thanos was basically dead.

Red Hulk just got shot with an eyeblast not dissimilar to what Surfer has been hit with... while he had Surfer's powers. And it wasn't even 616 Galactus.

lol. You.

I'll let you have that one.

Originally posted by Stoic
It wasn't 616 Galactus? I thought it was him, but just from another time period. Divergent off the 616 timeline.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't see Kuurth losing, outside his plot device "Weakness". I have a hard time seeing him win, but I certainly don't see him losing. Thanos is really durable, and has shields so it'd take a while, but if someone's going down, it's him.

That said, Thanos would obliterate just Kuurth without his Juggernaut enhancements.

Although you could make the case Kuurth wasn't close to invincible if you stack up both Colossonaut and Kuurth's durability together, but I'm not going to go there.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos wins

How?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Kuurth with Cytorrak enhancement was a planetary threat.

Modern Thanos with no tech was a galactic threat.

The thing about the Thanos Imperative was he was gradually rising in levels during the whole saga. Rocket Raccoon confirmed it. But in Thanos' most primitive state he destroyed a faith based capital church planet full of psychic Cardinals and peak tech before the cavalry could teleport in and assess the situation. The guy proved he could near instant regen any damage. And as an Avatar of Death could kill any unkillable creature.

I see Thanos even withstanding any kind of psychic attack from Kuurth. Thanos withstood insane levels of mental resistance whilst journeying through many states of astral awareness to test his mettle. But, the problem with using a lot of Thanos feats, is that a LOT of things he does are, or can be attributed to prep.
Unless we are using details, on panel, that say or show Thanos now, is different from Classic Thanos, his strength/fighting level should still be between High-Herald and Skyfather.
I think Cytorrak/Kuurth combo, with the access to both powers wide open could actually be a Skyfather-beater. On paper.
Kuurth, powered by Odin-level power.
Cytorrak is Skyfather or above power level. (imo above, but that doesn't matter here.)
The combination should be more than Thanos. Again, that is unless Thanos has some sort of huge Thanos-plan of course, due to prep.

But, we all know that Thanos with a plan is a danger to ANY being. The threat of Thanos was never supposed to be only a physical one.

He worries about more important things than whether or not he can win every hand to hand fight.

Thanos, in a horrific onesided stomp.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't see Kuurth losing, outside his plot device "Weakness". I have a hard time seeing him win, but I certainly don't see him losing. Thanos is really durable, and has shields so it'd take a while, but if someone's going down, it's him.

That said, Thanos would obliterate just Kuurth without his Juggernaut enhancements.

Although you could make the case Kuurth wasn't close to invincible if you stack up both Colossonaut and Kuurth's durability together, but I'm not going to go there.

Not able to be BFR'ed, massive durability, immune to TP, backed by the Serpent. Even without the Juggs power he was still capable of crushing the bones of a Juggernaut. Full powered Kuurth would be damn hard to stop, assuming that for the purposes of this battle Cytorrak isn't deserting him.

But can he actually put Thanos down?

I see this as a likely stalemate, though Kuurth would probably be capable of handing out a decent beating on him.

yeah, it's essentially impossible for someone of thanos's level to harm him. WITHOUT the serpent upgarde, even the godblast did no more than halt/pause his advance. it didn't actually do any harm to him. thanos energy output>godblast? i don't think so. even if you DO think so, you would have to believe it was SIGNIFICANTLY higher and that, imo, is pretty laughable. without gimmicks, someone of thanos's level cannot win this fight. could kurrth accumulate enough damage to take thanos out? that's the only reason question. i think he could, but it would take a while. which is fine since kurrth could literally fight forever.

Originally posted by basilisk
Not able to be BFR'ed, massive durability, immune to TP, backed by the Serpent. Even without the Juggs power he was still capable of crushing the bones of a Juggernaut. Full powered Kuurth would be damn hard to stop, assuming that for the purposes of this battle Cytorrak isn't deserting him.

But can he actually put Thanos down?

I see this as a likely stalemate, though Kuurth would probably be capable of handing out a decent beating on him. Nah. He'd likely put down Thanos. He'd certainly outlast him. Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, it's essentially impossible for someone of thanos's level to harm him. WITHOUT the serpent upgarde, even the godblast did no more than halt/pause his advance. it didn't actually do any harm to him. thanos energy output>godblast? i don't think so. even if you DO think so, you would have to believe it was SIGNIFICANTLY higher and that, imo, is pretty laughable. without gimmicks, someone of thanos's level cannot win this fight. could kurrth accumulate enough damage to take thanos out? that's the only reason question. i think he could, but it would take a while. which is fine since kurrth could literally fight forever.

The real problem with arguing a Thanos battle is that, although we have feats, there aren't a lot of clear descriptions of the sources of Thanos' power. For all we know, he could be tapping some Serpent-level character while he holds them prisoner, or he has a Cosmic Cube stashed somewhere, etc.

If somebody can provide some info like this, it would help.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The real problem with arguing a Thanos battle is that, although we have feats, there aren't a lot of clear descriptions of the sources of Thanos' power. For all we know, he could be tapping some Serpent-level character while he holds them prisoner, or he has a Cosmic Cube stashed somewhere, etc.

If somebody can provide some info like this, it would help.


Thanos with no outside aid sent Galactus flying quite a distance. Thanos unaided by anything outside of standard equipment survived a match with Odin. Thanos unaided took a head shot from Magus with an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet. Unaided by anything other than his standard gear, Thanos was able to survive the shit that a black hole would do to you, with only a few lacerations, and bruises.

This version of Juggs was just dangerous.

Let's just look at the basics right now.

Even Classic Juggs with his weaknesses removed would hella dangerous for just about anybody not able to just flat out cancel the enchantment.

BFR, TP those have been his main weaknesses for forever. Most of his losses are attributed to those.

But not only that but you add the hammer and Kurrth's other abilities on top.

Thanos could be in for a long fight.

Thanos gets stomped hard here. There's literally nothing he can do to Kuurth.

Originally posted by Newjak
This version of Juggs was just dangerous.

Let's just look at the basics right now.

Even Classic Juggs with his weaknesses removed would hella dangerous for just about anybody not able to just flat out cancel the enchantment.

BFR, TP those have been his main weaknesses for forever. Most of his losses are attributed to those.

But not only that but you add the hammer and Kurrth's other abilities on top.

Thanos could be in for a long fight.

Kuurth no longer can be bfred or TPed. I don't know how Thanos is winning and to say Thanos can't be knocked out is insane. When has he had a physical confrontation with someone in h2h? The only time I remember that is when he fought Thor and it didn't go so well.

Originally posted by carver9
Kuurth no longer can be bfred or TPed. I don't know how Thanos is winning and to say Thanos can't be knocked out is insane. When has he had a physical confrontation with someone in h2h? The only time I remember that is when he fought Thor and it didn't go so well. Thanos had a hand to hand confrontation in Thanos Imperative.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had a hand to hand confrontation in Thanos Imperative.

Against Lord Mar-vell...lol. How strong is Mar-vell?

Originally posted by carver9
Against Lord Mar-vell...lol. How strong is Mar-vell? You just asked about an appearance where he fights someone at hand to hand. I gave you one. End of story. Don't ask for examples if you are going to pretend like they don't count. Seriously.

Originally posted by carver9
Against Lord Mar-vell...lol. How strong is Mar-vell?

Strong enough to beat up nova. Literally all we know, and certainly not enough to put him on a physical level beyond most heralds.

Originally posted by Sirius77

Strong enough to beat up nova. Literally all we know, and certainly not enough to put him on a physical level beyond most heralds. You mean beat up Nova and the Silver Surfer and almost kill the Annihilators as a whole when he exited to the Cancerverse? If beating up Nova is "Litterally all you know" then you must have memory deficits.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You mean beat up Nova and the Silver Surfer and almost kill the Annihilators as a whole when he exited to the Cancerverse? If beating up Nova is "Litterally all you know" then you must have memory deficits. Yes. He was definitely much more than the Classic Mar-vell. He was channeling the power of the Cancerverse gods.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You mean beat up Nova and the Silver Surfer and almost kill the Annihilators as a whole when he exited to the Cancerverse? If beating up Nova is "Litterally all you know" then you must have memory deficits.

No, I mean, Nova was the only one that he went h2h with.

The rest he just blasted. There's literally nothing else to even imply where he is physically except that one fight. So if we are going by what we know, and not wildly speculating and extrapolating, then all we know is that the only person that he faced under purely physical conditions was Nova. We then saw him do no better than any other herald would against thanos. So perhaps you are the one with the "memory deficit".

Originally posted by vince_slice
You mean beat up Nova and the Silver Surfer and almost kill the Annihilators as a whole when he exited to the Cancerverse? If beating up Nova is "Litterally all you know" then you must have memory deficits.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You mean beat up Nova and the Silver Surfer and almost kill the Annihilators as a whole when he exited to the Cancerverse? If beating up Nova is "Litterally all you know" then you must have memory deficits.

Nova is the only one where he went physical on in comparison to the Thanos fight. mar-vell in other scenes can't compare to the Thanos fight at all. So all Mar-vell has shown is that he has hella blast power but hasnt shown great physical might.

Nova held his own against Mar-vell in a fist fight. Marvel had to shield himself from Nova.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova held his own against Mar-vell in a fist fight. Marvel had to shield himself from Nova.

So Mar-vell is a weakie then.

Originally posted by h1a8
So Mar-vell is a weakie then. If you read comics you'd never say Mar-vell is a weakie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you read comics you'd never say Mar-vell is a weakie. physically he is a weakie

Originally posted by h1a8
physically he is a weakie Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

based on not showing that he isn't a weakie (physically).

If Nova was able to give him a run for his money H2H that would suggest he isn't top-tier strength wise.

Originally posted by h1a8
based on not showing that he isn't a weakie (physically). There are no showings to suggest he is.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova held his own against Mar-vell in a fist fight. Marvel had to shield himself from Nova. Pure lie.

Originally posted by Newjak
If Nova was able to give him a run for his money H2H that would suggest he isn't top-tier strength wise. What if Nova was one punched?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What if Nova was one punched? Then that would show he's no slouch in the physical department.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What if Nova was one punched?

then he is still a weakie

Originally posted by h1a8
then he is still a weakie If one punching someone proves anything, it's that you're weak.

Makes sense

Bump

Thanos

Thanos rapes his mind

lol at Nova so called holding his own against Marv

This would be quite the fight but in the end FP Kuurth would probably win. He was no-selling everything thrown at him.

Kuurth 7/10 or so.

Thanos

Originally posted by Magnon
This would be quite the fight but in the end FP Kuurth would probably win. He was no-selling everything thrown at him.

Kuurth 7/10 or so. Everything throw at him isnt saying much. Thanos has better offensive capabilities than all those muties.

Originally posted by Magnon
This would be quite the fight but in the end FP Kuurth would probably win. He was no-selling everything thrown at him.

Kuurth 7/10 or so. He was no selling everything that was far below the likes of Thanos. Silver Surfer would have no sold the exact same things, without screaming in agony at being on fire.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Everything throw at him isnt saying much. Thanos has better offensive capabilities than all those muties.

Yeh, that's why I'm not giving Kuurth straight 10/10. Still, standard Juggs would be able to tank pretty much everything sans psionics from Thanos. Add to that the Kuurth amp which pretty much extended his invulnerability to encompass mind as well, and you have Kuurth winning the majority.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He was no selling everything that was far below the likes of Thanos. Silver Surfer would have no sold the exact same things, without screaming in agony at being on fire.

Silver Surfer would at least have been BFR'ed, Kuurth wasn't. And Kuurth wasn't screaming in agony imo, he was just reveling in the destruction of infrastructure with his fiery aura. The narration certainly seemed to support this view.

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Comic%20Stuff/Scan10137.jpg

Juggs has never been know for his offense so i dont see how he can put down Thanos for a majority

Originally posted by iceman24567
Juggs has never been know for his offense so i dont see how he can put down Thanos for a majority

Depowered Kuurth was breaking Colossusnaut's bones. Mjolnir strikes, Godblasts, Hulk's fists, etc. have never been able to break classic Juggs' bones so that's already quite a formidable offensive feat from Kuurth. The fight would certainly take a while, though.

Originally posted by Magnon
Silver Surfer would at least have been BFR'ed, Kuurth wasn't. And Kuurth wasn't screaming in agony imo, he was just reveling in the destruction of infrastructure with his fiery aura. The narration certainly seemed to support this view.

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Comic%20Stuff/Scan10137.jpg BFR'ed, but would come right back without damage.

That's one way to look at it...

He also seemingly was screaming in pain when Magneto crushed his helmet.

At the end of the day, the Juggernaut powers Cain actually had were at a level where Luke Cage could cause him damage, and Thor could kick the shit out of him, and let's not even mention King Hyperion. And his Kuurth powers were on the same level as the powers Colossus gained. Both were able to cause immense damage to each other.
You can stack the Juggernaut powers Cain had, or the Juggernaut powers Colossus had and either one doesn't add up to a complete invulnerability to Thanos level attacks. Especially when we see Juggernaut level strength (assuming Colossus wasn't at Thunderbolts Juggs level) able to cause a shitton of damage to the Kuurth powers, and a full powered Cytorrak Avatar.

Thanos destroys.

Originally posted by carver9
Kuurth have the power of Cyttorak and The Serpent on his side here. This is Full Powered Kuurth.

Who wins? Kuurth easily. Thanos has no way of harming Juggs at all. And Thanos will be crushed by that unstoppable hammer instantly.

Originally posted by h1a8
Kuurth easily. Thanos has no way of harming Juggs at all. And Thanos will be crushed by that unstoppable hammer instantly. quoted for bran's reading pleasure.

you're welcome.

Eat a dick.

http://i.imgur.com/AOHhuj8.png

Thanos wins

Thanos 7/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanos wins

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
BFR'ed, but would come right back without damage.

That's one way to look at it...

He also seemingly was screaming in pain when Magneto crushed his helmet.

At the end of the day, the Juggernaut powers Cain actually had were at a level where Luke Cage could cause him damage, and Thor could kick the shit out of him, and let's not even mention King Hyperion. And his Kuurth powers were on the same level as the powers Colossus gained. Both were able to cause immense damage to each other.
You can stack the Juggernaut powers Cain had, or the Juggernaut powers Colossus had and either one doesn't add up to a complete invulnerability to Thanos level attacks. Especially when we see Juggernaut level strength (assuming Colossus wasn't at Thunderbolts Juggs level) able to cause a shitton of damage to the Kuurth powers, and a full powered Cytorrak Avatar.

Why were they at that level? Cytorrak was actually pleased with Cain in his destruction. That implies the possibility of full power. So you basically saying that Kuurth was a depowered Juggernaut with Serpent's power? Or that Colossus was a depowered Juggernaut? This is possible if it wasn't for the writer's intention.

Anyway, Kuurth without Cytorrak was vastly stronger than Colossus Juggernaut.
Which is more than enough to damage Thanos. Stacking the Cytorrak enchantment (strong enough to damage Kuurth) then Kuurth has the power to greatly damage Thanos in one blow. Plus the hammer is unstoppable.

If Thanos does manage to damage Kuurth (I can't see it done with blasts) then Kuurth instantly heals (especially after hitting Thanos himself).

So for the people who think classic Juggernaut let alone Kurth can't be put down in offensive power by Thanos, what would it take to convince you?

Conversely, how many times would Juggernaut have to be hurt for you to think he could be put down without tp by Thanos?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So for the people who think classic Juggernaut let alone Kurth can't be put down in offensive power by Thanos, what would it take to convince you?

Conversely, how many times would Juggernaut have to be hurt for you to think he could be put down without tp by Thanos? No amount of times considering his feats, portrayal, and given his HF. Even if Thanos can cause him harm then Kuurth just heals instantly. Thanos would be back at square one, and never making any progress.

Originally posted by h1a8
No amount of times considering his feats, portrayal, and given his HF.

You do realize that this makes absolutely no sense right?

Well, since no one can answer. Rage, spitball me a number.

Juggernaut only has like a dozen good feats maybe that are even remotely relevant on the level of someone like Thanos? He's been hurt or beaten up how many times now? The bad probably outweighs the good right now.

All of these feats are by attacks at or below Thanos level (except Phoenix). The strongest attack Juggernaut has taken and tanked is the Godblast. He got KO'ed by the Phoenix, he seemed to get damaged bad by a casual eyeblast from the Stranger when it split, and Onslaught made him look like a normal human. After that no attack even comes close to Thanos level. But let's look at some of the times he's been injured. I will state when he's weakened, but other than that, full power. And this is ignoring New Warriors where some controversy arises.
With that said, let's see if Thanos has the mustard to hurt or knock Juggernaut out.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-40.jpg

^
Proof that was Classic
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenUnlimited40-33.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever5p18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_08b.jpg

^
Proof it was physical
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN322_15a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN218_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_14b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_13a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_14b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN102_13b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Men054p20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-0708.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-09.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/WWH_Xmen_3_0025.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/VenomTheMadness03_18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM629012.jpg

^
Showing he was physically damaged and likely physically knocked out by this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/TASM627023.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Avengers_v3_024_17a.jpg

He stated in the next page he wasn't hurt by this, but we can clearly see him screaming in pain so...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18213.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/DrStrange-18214-15.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-05.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_10b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk404_14a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/sm16-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-10.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Spider-Woman038-19.jpg

Teleportation:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force004-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force_005-01.jpg

Eighth Day Juggernaut:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p30.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p33.jpg





Here's his shield being overloaded and him being stunned.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_13b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN033_14a.jpg




I'll file these next couple under the "maybe/probably hurt" folder, as well as combine it with talking about how hard Juggernaut was hit section:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MenForever6p02and03.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN217_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN194_11a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-MEN183_15b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/X-Force03-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderstrike02-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Deadpool_LS2_02_pg22.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk403_17a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_11b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_12a.jpg

^
He laid there for 5 pages
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Hulk457_16a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thor_vol2-519-017-21.jpg




And here's two things that indicate a limit to his stamina.
"Last ounce of strength"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/jug_8th_day_p36.jpg

"I can feel him weakening" (also can be filed under probably hurt considering he was weakening under it and was hurt previously by a lesser shot)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/GenerationX061-07.jpg




Phoenix:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/phoenixresurrectionrevelations-1_06-07.jpg

He was weaker there admittedly (which will flow into the next thing), but not by much. His durability at the time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/AllNewExilesv1001p18.jpg




And about how powerful the enchantment was at the time he became Kuurth. Well, let's hear the level it was on:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14510.jpg

And his durability that would have simply stacked with Kuurth's.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14623.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14624.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14823.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb14905.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15023.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15024.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15029.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15032.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15219.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15311.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15315.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15316.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15318.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/tb15319.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts156014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Thunderbolts157006.jpg




Here's Kuurth and a stronger dose of Juggernaut than Thunderbolts Juggy got (coupled with Colossus) hurting each other immensely. Which we assume his durability will stack with the above T-Bolts Juggy.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0010.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0014.jpg

Kuurth was likely to die in the explosion:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/Uncanny_X-Men_543_0015.jpg

Amped Wolverine:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/FearItself7026.jpg




Now here's FP Kuurth getting hurt by Magneto crushing his helmet and seemingly getting hurt by having his blood boiled.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UXM_542_015.jpg



Thanos wins. "lowball" but needed. At the very least it shows Thanos can damage Juggernaut, unlike the zero high feats that say he can't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Now here's FP Kuurth getting hurt by Magneto crushing his helmet and seemingly getting hurt by having his blood boiled.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UXM_542_015.jpg


Everything you said was on point except these two.

I don't know why you think either of those two scenes are evidence of Juggernaut being hurt.

He starts screaming out as his helmet gets crushed. Not to mention the response immediately with the "unstoppable hammer". And he looks to be in pain with the blood ignition (though ultimately ineffective) as well as screaming. Or having an orgasm as the Fraction trace work would show.

Seems like the paintrain was there.

That's some pretty terrible reasoning.

Yes, he yells out some words in Asgardian:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

But talking doesn't mean he's in pain, heck, it doesn't even mean he even feels anything. If he was saying "Arghh" or something I understand but unless those runes translate into "Ouch, that hurts", it doesn't mean anything.

Then you remember he was completely unharmed by Hope ripping his helmet off and I just can't even take this seriously tbh:
http://s21.postimg.org/hiivudvsz/UCX_0022.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/rda10lzr7/UCX_0024.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/ko3hklef7/UCX_0025.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/mv7q8ijpf/UCX_0026.jpg

The second part is just weak......

He was in pain because he was standing there roaring or whatever?

1) That was Greg Land. We've seen a lot more awkward, and orgasmic poses by characters who are literally just having a conversation.

2) He's a powered up and possessed Juggernaut. It looked like he was wrecking shit. It's not rocket science.

Anyways, I don't care enough about this to continue past here because this is pretty dumb.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Now here's FP Kuurth getting hurt by Magneto crushing his helmet and seemingly getting hurt by having his blood boiled.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UXM_542_015.jpg
I agree with Rage here. Neither of those scenes seem to definitely indicate that he's being "hurt" in that scenario, and the second one seems that he's not being hurt at all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's some pretty terrible reasoning.

Yes, he yells out some words in Asgardian:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/juggernaut/UCX_0016.jpg

But talking doesn't mean he's in pain, heck, it doesn't even mean he even feels anything. If he was saying "Arghh" or something I understand but unless those runes translate into "Ouch, that hurts", it doesn't mean anything.

Then you remember he was completely unharmed by Hope ripping his helmet off and I just can't even take this seriously tbh:
http://s21.postimg.org/hiivudvsz/UCX_0022.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/rda10lzr7/UCX_0024.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/ko3hklef7/UCX_0025.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/mv7q8ijpf/UCX_0026.jpg

The second part is just weak......

He was in pain because he was standing there roaring or whatever?

1) That was Greg Land. We've seen a lot more awkward, and orgasmic poses by characters who are literally just having a conversation.

2) He's a powered up and possessed Juggernaut. It looked like he was wrecking shit. It's not rocket science.

Anyways, I don't care enough about this to continue past here because this is pretty dumb. He's not talking though hence the exclamation. He yelled out when Magneto did it, and again when he threw the hammer. No way that could be construed into damage what with combining the helmet crushing into his skull...
And the runes don't translate into anything at all. Fraction had no understanding.

There's a difference between having your helmet ripped off, and having it crushed into your skull. I can't fathom how his helmet getting ripped off is relevant.

That's why I said seemingly.

I agree with your overreaction. This is dumb. How dare I think someone with their blood literally ignited is in pain while they're screaming into the air.

I like how you get upset at those two though. A weakened enchantment and Kuurth's power stacking being in pain from having his blood on fire, and getting hurt by having his helmet crushed around his head? Simply the worst thing possible to think.

Anyway, all of those are my opinions of him getting damaged. There's a reason I gave context to them. I wasn't going to include those two, but it certainly looks like some damage is being done. Not like Kuurth took anything impressive anyway to really mean anything if he actually wasn't damaged there.