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Skaar

vs.

Wrecking Crew

1. Classic Wrecker by himself.
2. Classic Wrecking Crew
3. Current Wrecking Crew.

Skaar, and I hate that little bastard too.

Even after seeing KM's respect thread for them, still not impressed by the Wrecking Crew.

You think he wins all three?

1.Skaar
2.WC
3.Not sure what current WC are like.

Skaar at his best would kill them all.

Crew at their best would kill Skaar

Originally posted by -K-M-
Crew at their best would kill Skaar I want to agree but, Skaar packs a sword and I see him killing them more often than not.

the Wrecking Crew i dont think has fought anyone who is willing to kill and has stabbing/slashing potential which are far different than a hammer and blunt damage from fist.

If Skaar breaks out his full powers then he can win.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
I want to agree but, Skaar packs a sword and I see him killing them more often than not.

the Wrecking Crew i dont think has fought anyone who is willing to kill and has stabbing/slashing potential which are far different than a hammer and blunt damage from fist.

So a sword is going to determine the fight? Ummm...or Wrecker waves his hand and teleports his sword or even him away and YES he can do that.

Originally posted by Badabing
If Skaar breaks out his full powers then he can win.

Wont matter against some incarnations of the Crew. Current Crew hasn't done much other then the pretty epic Deadpool vs. Wrecker fight

Skaar turns them all to stone (like he did to Hiro-Kala).

Originally posted by janus77
Skaar turns them all to stone (like he did to Hiro-Kala).

and yet Iron Fist recently rocked him.

Originally posted by -K-M-
So a sword is going to determine the fight? Ummm...or Wrecker waves his hand and teleports his sword or even him away and YES he can do that.



yeh, i know about the Wrecker's teleportation option. i was thinking more about the melee aspect of the fight.

I guess Wrecker and his crew could weaken Skaar by absorbing his energy as well and amp up.

I was just throwin in my two cents.

Originally posted by -K-M-
and yet Iron Fist recently rocked him.
Your point being?

Gotcha, but like I said really depends on the incarnation of the Crew.

Classic Wrecker alone has matched the Thor before (and I;m not talking about the time he was weakened) and has one-shotted Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by janus77
Your point being?

Your giving him way to much credit.

Originally posted by janus77
Your point being?

True, it's freakin Iron Fist.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Your giving him way to much credit.
Not really, just a power that he can exploit and one that has worked on a character of superior power to The Wrecking Crew.

Originally posted by janus77
Not really, just a power that he can exploit and one that has worked on a character of superior power to The Wrecking Crew.

Of some incarnations of the Crew, and one wave of the hand the Wrecker could teleport him away 10/10 times. Does Skaar do it often? Nope, but if were going that route Crew wins 10/10 via BFR.

Originally posted by -K-M-
and yet Iron Fist recently rocked him.

Didn't Iron Fist make a fool of the Wrecking Crew too?

I see Skaar destroying them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't Iron Fist make a fool of the Wrecking Crew too?

I see Skaar destroying them.

The Wrecking Crew also gave him more than he could handle.

And didn't they start off as class 50 or something around the time Danny fought them, and got bumped up over time, like everyone else at some point?

Originally posted by -K-M-
and yet Iron Fist recently rocked him.


Wasn't that a sneak attack? Danny nealy broke his hand on Hiroim's skin, and he used the Ironfist. You're excluding context to improve your stance.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't that a sneak attack? Danny nealy broke his hand on Hiroim's skin, and he used the Ironfist. You're excluding context to improve your stance.

I beg your pardon? Your missing the point. I didn't say IF beat him and of course he used the iron fist does that really need to be said? but people are claiming Skaar is at uber levels at all the time and are only going by his best showings and ignoring the Crew's. So if he was always uber an IF attack should not have hurt him as people are claiming....as he is above that apparently. I could have brought up far worse showings for Skaar, but my point is he is not uber all the time...far from it.

Another time Wrecker took a point blank Iron Fist (yes and he used the iron fist too) to the chest and had a smile on his face.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I beg your pardon? Your missing the point. I didn't say IF beat him and of course he used the iron fist does that really need to be said? but people are claiming Skaar is at uber levels at all the time and are only going by his best showings and ignoring the Crew's. So if he was always uber an IF attack should not have hurt him as people are claiming....as he is above that apparently. I could have brought up far worse showings for Skaar, but my point is he is not uber all the time...far from it.

Another time Wrecker took a point blank Iron Fist (yes and he used the iron fist too) to the chest and had a smile on his face.

Not the point. You stated that Ironfist hit him and rocked him, and if someone did not know the context, or that it was a sneak attack, Skaar would come off appearing less than he actually is. This to me seemed underhanded, by neglecting certain parameters. Whether this is what you meant to do, is beyond me. So if I am falsely accusing you of being underhanded, please accept my apologies.

Let's go with forum battle schemes. In a forum setting Skaar would begin operating at his best, which means that he would be well within the mid to high class 100 range, he would be clad in Old Power Stone Armor, and his punches would be amplified with level 10 plus seismic charges, and also packing a hell of a healing factor. He would be able to open the ground, which would swallow the Crew, and use the earth itself to skewer them as he did to the Hulk. All or one the Crew would be in trouble.

As for the Wrecker waving his hand and giving Skaar the BFR? This I have never seen, and if he can do this, then he wins, but in no way is a BFR of this nature considered a physical domination.

Actually I just reread New Avengers #20 again and there was NO sucker punch from Iron Fist (I didn't even see you mentioned sucker punch till now or I would have addressed it earlier). He literally charged him head on and Skaar was looking directly at him and charged at him, BUT IF sent him flying. I also don't see where IF said he nearly broke his hand either. Did you read a different issue or something?

So what I said was correct and no need to go in depth with your above post. All the context was there, and you may have misread the issue yourself (unless they fought somewhere else?)

Originally posted by Stoic
As for the Wrecker waving his hand and giving Skaar the BFR? This I have never seen, and if he can do this, then he wins, but in no way is a BFR of this nature considered a physical domination.

Don't need to comment on the above as already addressed.

Yes he can do it,

Sif
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-13.jpg

Loki
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-10.jpg

As I said many times already there are some versions that cant and there are some that can beat him physically.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually I just reread New Avengers #20 again and there was NO sucker punch from Iron Fist. He literally charged him head on and Skaar was looking directly at him and charged at him, BUT IF sent him flying. I also don't see where IF said he nearly broke his hand either. Did you read a different issue or something?

So what I said was correct and no need to go in depth with your above post. All the context was there, and you may have misread the issue yourself (unlesss they fought somewhere else?)


Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying. I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc. Not Skaar, Hiroim was also armored up using the Old Power.

Originally posted by Stoic
Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying.

haha suuuuuuure. The look of pain on his face says otherwise, and when he crashed into the car . So all my context was there...you were the one that was wrong

haha but really no worries not a huge deal.

Originally posted by Stoic
Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying. I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc. Not Skaar, Hiroim was also armored up using the Old Power.

My mistake, I skimmed your post hence why I missed the sucker punch comment earlier (It's late here and was getting ready for bed and rushed the post....my apologies). He clearly didn't here though.

Originally posted by -K-M-
My mistake, I skimmed your post hence why I missed the sucker punch comment earlier. He clearly didn't here though.


Skaar was unaffected by the punch, I'm looking at it right now. He didn't even scream out, and I'm not seeing what you are talking about as far as a look of pain being on his face. All I see is him being knocked over, and getting back up immediately.

Originally posted by Stoic
Skaar was unaffected by the punch, I'm looking at it right now. He didn't even scream out, and I'm not seeing what you are talking about as far as a look of pain being on his face. All I see is him being knocked over, and getting back up immediately.

He was grimacing ("A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain", you don't have to scream to express pain. I never said IF beat him, I said rocked him which he did.

Like compare that incident in NA #20 to the time that when Wrecker took a chi blast to the chest. Like I said all depends on the incarnation of the characters

Originally posted by -K-M-
He was grimacing ("A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain", you don't have to scream to express pain. I never said IF beat him, I said rocked him which he did.

Like compare that incident in NA #20 to this...

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/NA50-026-27.jpg*

*and that was a pretty weak version of Wrecker too. Like I said all depends on the incarnation of the characters


I can't make out a grimace even, all I see is a faster and more skilled fighter catching another much larger, and more powerful fighter flat footed, and making him fly backwards. I did not see any loss of breath, or an aggh, iieee, awoogaa... or anything to indicate that Skaar was affected at all. To me he wasn't hurt at all by it, and got right up as if nothing happened as seen on panel. As I also mentioned, this is Skaar without amping his strength, and body armor. I think that outside of the BFR. The Crew would be destroyed.

Originally posted by Stoic
I can't make out a grimace even, all I see is a faster and more skilled fighter catching another much larger, and more powerful fighter flat footed, and making him fly backwards. I did not see any loss of breath, or an aggh, iieee, awoogaa... or anything to indicate that Skaar was affected at all. To me he wasn't hurt at all by it, and got right up as if nothing happened as seen on panel. As I also mentioned, this is Skaar without amping, his strength, and body armor. I think that outside of the BFR. The Crew would be destroyed.

That's definetly a grimace, one eye closed, one eye bugged out and his mouth wide open. Same for when he hit the car with his mouth open and his eyes closed. Also you don't need to do those to express pain. However, this is all personal opinion and I don't see how we will change each others opinion so we should just let it go and move on.

Naaaaa depends on the versions of the Crew. Some have forcefields, magical blasts that ripped holes into dimensions, ability to sap strength adding to theirs, strength to destroy a planet (Tanaraq upgrade), one-shotted Savage Hulk (Wrecker), classic Wrecker has gone toe to toe with Thor...etc.

Classic Wrecker
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-13.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-15.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-17.jpg
7. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-18.jpg
8. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-19.jpg
9. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-20.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's definetly a grimace, one eye closed, one eye bugged out and his mouth wide open. Same for when he hit the car with his mouth open and his eyes closed. Also you don't need to do those to express pain. However, this is all personal opinion and I don't see how we will change each others opinion so we should just let it go and move on.

Naaaaa depends on the versions of the Crew. Some have forcefields, magical blasts that ripped holes into dimensions, ability to sap strength adding to theirs, strength to destroy a planet (Tanaraq upgrade), one-shotted Savage Hulk (Wrecker), classic Wrecker has gone toe to toe with Thor...etc.

Classic Wrecker
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-13.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-15.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-17.jpg
7. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-18.jpg
8. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-19.jpg
9. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-20.jpg

Much of what you are showing is Wrecker being amped by outside influences, and not the way he operates at best under normal circumstances. I'm not sure if yourealize just how powerful the Old Power is. It was capable of satiating Galactus for many many years. That's potent stuff. The Hulk that Skaar fought, and skewered would have destroyed the Crew with ease. Skaar would absolutely dominate them in a physical match up, based on no outside help, and at their best. Skaar is often lowballed, on this forum, but it doesn't take away from him taking huge hits. Betty hit him with enough force to open a dimensional rift. Thor has hit hit. He punched the Juggernaut into space. Sorry the Crew would be worked here.

You're right about the grimace, it's a matter of opinion, I don't think he was affected, while you do, even though he was up the next time we see him, and without injury.

WC are garbage but I forgot about the BFR option they got. Turn BFR off and I don't give them one win.

skaar

rhino and frank castle stopped the crew skaar does also

Skaar, for reasons guy mentioned.

Originally posted by Stoic
I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc.

What's her name exploded Hulks chest with the old power and shrugged off a nuke level bomb.

I'm guessing old power users are >> Savage Hulk level, at the least.

And anyways, Danny still made Hiroim scream out in pain, and this was by a guy who probably isn't much of an Iron Fist fan or even knows much of his history, judging by how Pak's written him in the past..

Originally posted by guy222
rhino stopped the crew lso Do you have an issue + number for me here?

The wrecker that took on the new Avengers was a beast.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Skaar

vs.

Wrecking Crew

1. Classic Wrecker by himself.
2. Classic Wrecking Crew
3. Current Wrecking Crew.

1.Classic Wrecker with all the power to himself?? He beats Skaar, because he was way stronger than the listed 40 ton class he was said to be in. The Wrecker almost beat the THING.

2. Skaar kills them and badly. sort of like how the She Hulk did during SECRET WARS

3. Skaar still, but I havent seen any wrecking crew stories for at least two years they may have changed....

Skaar wins.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
1.Classic Wrecker with all the power to himself?? He beats Skaar, because he was way stronger than the listed 40 ton class he was said to be in. The Wrecker almost beat the THING.

2. Skaar kills them and badly. sort of like how the She Hulk did during SECRET WARS

3. Skaar still, but I havent seen any wrecking crew stories for at least two years they may have changed....



1. So that would make him at best a 90 - 100 ton class correct? In fact he should have been a class 40 + 45 right? This is still far below Skaar's maximum amplified strength range.

2. I agree

3. I agree.

Love the Skaar debaters, no proof and ignore evidence. This is getting silly now.

Originally posted by Stoic
Much of what you are showing is Wrecker being amped by outside influences, and not the way he operates at best under normal circumstances. I'm not sure if yourealize just how powerful the Old Power is. It was capable of satiating Galactus for many many years. That's potent stuff. The Hulk that Skaar fought, and skewered would have destroyed the Crew with ease. Skaar would absolutely dominate them in a physical match up, based on no outside help, and at their best. Skaar is often lowballed, on this forum, but it doesn't take away from him taking huge hits. Betty hit him with enough force to open a dimensional rift. Thor has hit hit. He punched the Juggernaut into space. Sorry the Crew would be worked here.
.

Eh? The scans I mentioned he wasnt amped, and some of those times he was amped he kepted those upgrades so like I said depends on the incarnation. Only time he was powered up by an outside sourse was the Tanaraq upgrade which I mentioned. Don't you try to pull the card saying I dont know about the Old Power, you already admitted you don't know much about the Crew's powerset. You also tried to claim I was taking things out of context (I didn't), so now I'm getting annoyed by your "tactics".Yes I do, and lets be honest, how impressive has Skaar been over his entire career? Not very. Once again not against some versions of the Crew, also not lowballing when majority of his apperances he hasnt done much of note worthy. Thats not low balling thats just fact.

Wrecker has one-shotted Savage Hulk, and has bested and stalemated Thor, taken it to the New Avengers himself. It's comical that the Crew can take it to Namor, Namorita & Iron Man at once, Alpha Flight at once, Hulk, Thor and yet Skaar dominates them? You guys are jokes.

Originally posted by guy222
skaar

rhino and frank castle stopped the crew skaar does also

Like I said depends on the incarnation....not sure why its hard to grasp really.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Love the Skaar debaters, no proof and ignore evidence. This is getting silly now.

why dont u mention the fact that the wrecking crew could potentially drain Skaar of his old power or gamma energy and go beyond him?

...way to troll, I suggest you see the other scans of the Crew dominating Iron Fist and when Wrecker took a full chi blast to the chest with a smile. Like I said DEPENDS ON THE INCARNATION.

Where are we getting what class Wrecker is in ? From handbooks?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
why dont u mention the fact that the wrecking crew could potentially drain Skaar of his old power or gamma energy and go beyond him?

I don't know if they could drain him competly, but yes that's a tactic which Wrecker and the crew did against Thor, Hercules, Photon, Alpha Flight, etc but what's the point? Clearly people dont want to hear it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
...way to troll, I suggest you see the other scans of the Crew dominating Iron Fist and when Wrecker took a full chi blast to the chest with a smile. Like I said DEPENDS ON THE INCARNATION.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/1193590-rh2.jpg
whistling

You're trolling


I can post random scans too....WINNNAR
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_04.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_05.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
You're trolling


I can post random scans too....WINNNAR
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_04.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_05.jpg

Nope, not trolling. Pointing out how sad the WC is :
http://marvelmasterworks.com/marveltrades/images/panel_thing_freak_b.jpg

Posting one scan (or one panel) of a fight and taking it out of context isn't trolling? riiiight

Originally posted by -K-M-
Posting one scan (or one panel) of a fight and taking it out of context isn't trolling? riiiight

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/thingvswreckingcrew1gr3.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7244/thingvswreckingcrew2le7.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/760/thingvswreckingcrew3ri0.jpg

OWNED! Even after sneak attacking Thing. Skaar wrecks these clowns.

Are you really that dense? Some versions of the Crew do suck, but there are some that beat the Avengers, the Defenders, was getting the better of Alpha Flight and Wrecker nearly beat the New Avengers himself. So as I have said COUNTLESS TIMES.....DEPENDS ON THE INCARNATION.

Also in another fight Wrecker had with Thing he nearly killed him and was toying with him. Those are Thing's own words

Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you really that dense? Some versions of the Crew do suck, but there are some that beat the Avengers, the Defenders, was getting the better of Alpha Flight and Wrecker nearly beat the New Avengers himself.

Also in another fight Wrecker had with Thing he nearly killed him and was toying with him. Those are Thing's own words

The New Avengers owned him in a humiliating fashion. Not exactly an example I'd use. That lineup was also pretty pathetic : Wolverine, Spiderwoman, Spiderman, Luke Cage?!

I saw the Wrecker vs Thing scans in your respect thread, the Thing was the last one standing. "Almost" dead or not, the Wrecker was KTFO.

So in their 30 or so years of comic "existence" you have like 3 impressive showings from them and the rest are sad? Yeah I'm going with Skaar.

Colossus had the Wrecker sh!tting himself.

Wow clearly your remembering it wrong, humilating fashion? Definetly not. So what teams has Skaar beat of note worthy? Or even just regular people? Juggernaut? He BFR'ed him

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_14.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_15-16.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_17.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_18.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_19.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_20.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p10.jpg
8. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p11.jpg
9. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p16-17.jpg
10. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p18.jpg
11. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p19.jpg
12. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p20.jpg

He did get ko'ed, but as shown and stated he was morew powerful then Thing and got over-confident as he was toying with him.

So I guess Thor, Hercules, Avengers, Alpha Flight, Omega Flight etc are losers as they lost or the Crew were getting the better of them? 3 showings? jokes

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus had the Wrecker sh!tting himself.

Wrecker also one-shotted Colossus in that example you mentioned and that was before they got their various upgrades.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! THIS DEPENDS ON THE INCARNATION OF THE CREW.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wrecker also one-shotted Colossus in that example you mentioned and that was before they got their various upgrades.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! THIS DEPENDS ON THE INCARNATION OF THE CREW. With a *cough* cheapshot. But Wrecker has kayoed the Hulk with one shot.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
With a *cough* cheapshot. But Wrecker has kayoed the Hulk with one shot.

How was it a cheapshot?

On one hand I really want to see K-M meltdown, on the other, the Wrecking Crew are related to Thor.

What to do, what to do.....

mhmm

Originally posted by -K-M-
How was it a cheapshot? How wasn't it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On one hand I really want to see K-M meltdown, on the other, the Wrecking Crew are related to Thor.

What to do, what to do.....

mhmm

Never seen such asinine comments in my life.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
How wasn't it?

Because they were fighting him face to face, it wasn't a sneak attack. Colossus knew he was in a fight and knew who he was fighting. That's not a cheap shot.

I'll have to go look again but I recall Wrecker on his knees behind Colossus while he was crying about Colossus killing them, then he wacked hiim from behind.

This was also the Wrecking Crew+1.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wow clearly your remembering it wrong, humilating fashion? Definetly not. So what teams has Skaar beat of note worthy? Or even just regular people? Juggernaut? He BFR'ed him

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_14.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_15-16.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_17.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_18.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_19.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_20.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p10.jpg
8. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p11.jpg
9. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p16-17.jpg
10. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p18.jpg
11. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p19.jpg
12. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p20.jpg

He did get ko'ed, but as shown and stated he was morew powerful then Thing and got over-confident as he was toying with him.

So I guess Thor, Hercules, Avengers, Alpha Flight, Omega Flight etc are losers as they lost or the Crew were getting the better of them? 3 showings? jokes


That team of Avengers were weak. Come on man. I understand where you're coming from the Wrecker and his Crew are all over the place. On average Skaar would beat them. The Tanarak case is another matter, and should not be brought to light, as they were juiced up on some crazy power.

Skaar not taking on a bunch of very powerful characters could just be because he hasn't been around for the past 50 years, he's 12 years old or younger, or he's being trimmed down. Let's talk in another 20 years and then see how powerful Skaar is, and that's only if the goofballs at Marvel don't kill him off on some dumb sh1t. You say that you are well aware of how powerful the Old Power is, so you should know how high Skaar can amplify his power, and that with CIS on, he could swallow the Crew up and skewer them by millions of tons of sharp rocks.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'll have to go look again but I recall Wrecker on his knees behind Colossus while he was crying about Colossus killing them, then he wacked hiim from behind.

This was also the Wrecking Crew+1.

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_1.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_2.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_3.jpg

Yes with Doc Ock, and as I mentioned before the Crew's various upgrades

Originally posted by Stoic
That team of Avengers were weak. Come on man. I understand where you're coming from the Wrecker and his Crew are all over the place. On average Skaar would beat them. The Tanarak case is another matter, and should not be brought to light, as they were juiced up on some crazy power.

Skaar not taking on a bunch of very powerful characters could just be because he hasn't been around for the past 50 years, he's 12 years old or younger, or he's being trimmed down. Let's talk in another 20 years and then see how powerful Skaar is, and that's only if the goofballs at Marvel don't kill him off on some dumb sh1t. You say that you are well aware of how powerful the Old Power is, so you should know how high Skaar can amplify his power, and that with CIS on, he could swallow the Crew up and skewer them by millions of tons of sharp rocks.

That team consisted of Thor and Photon, not weak in the least. Then look at their fight with Alpha Flight and Beta Flight joined in too. That team would kill Skaar (Not talking about Omega Flight).

Correct, so we have actual feats of the Crew taking on powerful characters either giving them serious troubles or out right beat them. So to say Skaar stomps? Asinine. Yes I am aware he can amp to serious levels, but in his entire career how often has he reached those levels? Rarely at best.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That team consisted of Thor and Photon, not weak in the least. Then look at their fight with Alpha Flight and Beta Flight joined in too. That team would kill Skaar (Not talking about Omega Flight).

Correct, so we have actual feats of the Crew taking on powerful characters either giving them serious troubles or out right beat them. So to say Skaar stomps? Asinine. Yes I am aware he can amp to serious levels, but in his entire career how often has he reached those levels? Rarely at best.


I'm talking about the New Avengers team that the Wrecker tossed Luke Cage into another borough.

The Savage Hulk also came back and fought the Crew and what did he do to them? Do you have scans of that conflict?

Saying that he rarely went that far, is not saying that he can't reach those levels.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm talking about the New Avengers team that the Wrecker tossed Luke Cage into another borough.

The Savage Hulk also came back and fought the Crew and what did he do to them? Do you have scans of that conflict?

Saying that he rarely went that far, is not saying that he can't reach those levels.



Oh yes that wasn't the most powerful version of the Avengers, but he still took it to a lot of big named characters. Something Skaar has yet to do.

Came back and fought Thunderball only and beat him. Crushed his thunderball.

and in the same way Wrecking Crew could tap into their often ignored abilities. Doesnt mean it will happen.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh yes that wasn't the most powerful version of the Avengers, but he still took it to a lot of big named characters. Something Skaar has yet to do.

Came back and fought Thunderball only and beat him. Crushed his thunderball.

and in the same way Wrecking Crew could tap into their often ignored abilities. Doesnt mean it will happen.


Not the fight that I'm talking about. I'm talking about a more recent battle between that Hulk and the Crew, when he took them all on, and beat the hell out of them. All characters get beaten, but I bet if you gave Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, and others in that weight class a best out of 10 fights vs the Crew that the Crew would lose a vast majority of those matches.

I'm not as well versed with the Crew as you may be, but I have read some of the appearances. Can you name a few people outside of Asgardians that they removed powers from?

Originally posted by -K-M-
This one? and as I have said countless times there are some versions of the Crew that got power bosts or exotic powers that made them very uber. Yet people are ignoring that.

Skaar alone did better against a more powerful version of the Hulk though. You know when they fought on the beach, and Skaar used the earth to severely hurt the Hulk. Do you have any other names outside of Asgardians that the Wrecker was able to power drain? Because this may not work on non Asgardian characters, like the Hulk, or Skaar.


Whoops you provided scans of what I asked you for. Let me check them out.

Originally posted by Stoic
Skaar alone did better against a more powerful version of the Hulk though. You know when they fought on the beach, and Skaar used the earth to severely hurt the Hulk. Do you have any other names outside of Asgardians that the Wrecker was able to power drain? Because this may not work on non Asgardian characters, like the Hulk, or Skaar.

Sure, but didn't beat him or come close to beating that version either though. Yes....I posted the scans above.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure, but didn't beat him or come close to beating that version either though. Yes....I posted the scans above.

Skaar had the upper hand until Betty intervened.

But he was amping off of the earthquakes Hulk was causing.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure, but didn't beat him or come close to beating that version either though. Yes....I posted the scans above.


Okay I see them absorbing ambient energy waves, which mostly seem to be lightning, but I'm not sure that he would be able to absorb the Old Power, not saying that he can't. I'm just not 100% certain that he or they can. Skaar can also hit from a distance, causing a problem for the Crew to even make this a physical confrontation, and even then Skaar as seen on panel can amp. I guess it's like you said before, this depends on how they fight, or which Crew is being spoken of.

When I say ranged, I mean the type that would sink the entire battlefield swallowing the team whole, and compressing them. Compared to Skaar's abilities, the Crew look kind of one dimensional outside of power drainage.

Not in Skaar's character to do that (as in he has never done that to anyone of note), but the Crew have shown to generate forcefields, telepathy, magical spells, teleportation, energy absorbtion, illusion casting, superhuman strength, superhuman durability, etc. That's far from one-dimensional

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not in Skaar's character to do that (as in he has never done that to anyone of note), but the Crew have shown to generate forcefields, telepathy, magical spells, teleportation, energy absorbtion, illusion casting, superhuman strength, superhuman durability, etc. That's far from one-dimensional


Skaar was shown to be a stone cold killer on Sakaar, using deadly force isn't beneath him, and only up until recently has he shown any amount of restraint, and that was because of Banner showing him the ropes. You recall how numb he was after the Caiera incident right? I agree that if he's neutered, holding back, or generally fighting like an idiot that he would have worlds of problems with the Crew, but he seems to generally go for broke, wheres the Hulk (Savage) just wanted to be left alone.

That was a different planet, on Earth he hasnt even come close to showing that level. He had to fight to survive, on Earth he is much more reserved. He's only gone for broke a few times, not enough to automatically say he will do it here

Originally posted by -K-M-
That was a different planet, on Earth he hasnt even come close to showing that level. He had to fight to survive, on Earth he is much more reserved. He's only gone for broke a few times, not enough to automatically say he will do it here


Against a scummy group like the Wrecking Crew I don't see him holding his punches. Also How would you say that the FF would do against the Wrecking Crew on average? Yeah you likely know where I'm going with this.

Originally posted by Stoic
Against a scummy group like the Wrecking Crew I don't see him holding his punches. Also How would you say that the FF would do against the Wrecking Crew on average? Yeah you likely know where I'm going with this.

He's been holding his punches basically since he has gotten to Earth and that's a fact. Depends, against invidual members or the team. Against the team pretty crappy, but that's usually with some of the weaker incarnations of the Crew.

Do you think Skaar could beat the Fantastic Four then?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He's been holding his punches basically since he has gotten to Earth and that's a fact. Depends, against invidual members or the team. Against the team pretty crappy, but that's usually with some of the weaker incarnations of the Crew.

Do you think Skaar could beat the Fantastic Four then?


The FF seemed to have a hell of a time with Skaar the one time that he started acting out. Not sure how to answer that. This is also Skaar operating at max, which means it's him with the kids gloves off.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. So that would make him at best a 90 - 100 ton class correct? In fact he should have been a class 40 + 45 right? This is still far below Skaar's maximum amplified strength range.

2. I agree

3. I agree.

Yeah I would put the wrecker at best around 80-90 class

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Yeah I would put the wrecker at best around 80-90 class


Skaar can take quite a beating. Do you recall Thor while amped on gamma rays hit Skaar in the back of the head, and Skaar was still conscious? Even if the Crew were to try draining Skaar would they be able to drain the Old Power? It's an unknown and unquantifiable source of power, and as such they may just end up draining the source, and not Skaar.

Didn't Hulk beat the Crew up fairly recently?

I can see Skaar doing worse to them.

Meh! Like I have said several times that wasnt the most impressive incarnations of the Crew.

Thor got worked pretty easily, seems that Hulk was on another level. Skaar vs. Thor then?

That's just Savage Hulk.

I know and that's not the most powerful versions of the Crew either, and did you see what he did to Thor as well?

So Skaar vs. Thor?

Originally posted by -K-M-
I know and that's not the most powerful versions of the Crew either, and did you see what he did to Thor as well?

So Skaar vs. Thor?
Maybe for Skaar's 18th birthday.


And yes, Hulk smashed long hair but that's mostly because Thor annoyed an already very annoyed Hulk.

The WC were like fluffers and Thor got the ... all over his face .

Originally posted by -K-M-
I know and that's not the most powerful versions of the Crew either, and did you see what he did to Thor as well?

So Skaar vs. Thor?

Why would you be anxious to launch a thread about a 12 year old vs and ancient warrior. Thor would win but, Skaar would give him a decent fight , and has been seen capable of taking a hit while unsuspecting it from an amped and crazed gamma Thor. This alone proves that Skaar could take more than the Wrecker in most of his appearances can dish out. As for Skaar being willing to kill, he has never changed, he stabbed Betty without hesitation. Skaar is kid Conan.

Anyway, being serious. I see Skaar winning. I don't see it as being a simple stroll and I accept that WC are on occasion written down for laughs/plot reasons.

Still, that doesn't take away from someone who has both Old Power (a "synthetic" alternative to the Power Cosmic) and Hulk's "Hulk Powa!".

I don't see them bfr'ing him because he can make the battlefield apart of him. And I don't think they're strong enough to take him on physically either.

As for energy drainage, it'll take time to accomplish (if at all possible with the Gamma and Old Power) and Skaar doesn't require much time to perform some truly brutal offensive.