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Leader:

Kal-L
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/prepman005/kal.jpg
Orion
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/112860/2120230-Orion-1.5sm-S-L_large.jpg
Barry Allen
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20224/468652-464993_flash_rebirth_promo_02_super_large.jpg
Dr. Fate
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/80121/1715211-288px_doctor_fate_0001_large.jpg
Mon-El
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/19600/391444-8132-mon-el_large.jpg
Hal Jordan
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3765/111236-62746-hal-jordan_large.JPG
Captain Marvel
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/159585-42413-captain-marvel_large.jpg

Vs

Darkseid
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/2211329-jla.6.reis_.cover_.colorfinal_large.jpg
Eclipso
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/25827/1826907-eclipso_by_drewdown1976_d3c00f9_large.jpg
Cyborg Superman
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1761176-smackdown007_large.jpg
Synnar (Hardcore Station)
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/601225-616px_isilliencomic_large.jpg
HP Doomsday
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3855/114086-17885-doomsday_large.jpg
Zoom
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67798/1996111-zoom_by_spidermanfan2099_d491iie_large.jpg
Superboy Prime
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58424/1868782-punch_large.jpg

Jla catches a beatdown

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Jla catches a beatdown


Yep.

How can you beatdown a guy who has true invulnerability?

Zoom >>>> Barry PC.

Eclipso could potentially solo depending on when you want to pull him from unless Dr. Fate is at retarded high levels and Cap Marvel double teams.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How can you beatdown a guy who has true invulnerability?

At the least Eclipso should be able to catch him with magical lightning to revert him back to Batson at which point he gets murdered.


Darkseid may not be able to omega sanction supes but he sure as hell can do it to most of the rest if it came down to it. Fate, Jordan, Barry, Mon-el maybe Marvel. Combined with the fact that Zoom could just place his team in his personal time bubble and proceed to beat team 1 down with even greater ease.

That doesn't happen most of the time, though and PC Barry was insanely fast. Fast enough to evade PC Superman.

PC Billy was hurling planets into other galaxies and whatnot. He was insanely powerful. Same with Hal and the rest.

Love the pictures Prepman puts in his threads.

Prep-man, what is that picture of Orion from? Never seen it before.

Team 2.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
That doesn't happen most of the time, though and PC Barry was insanely fast. Fast enough to evade PC Superman.

PC Billy was hurling planets into other galaxies and whatnot. He was insanely powerful. Same with Hal and the rest. Just saying omega beams should get most of team 1 off the bat and while PC Barry was insanely fast late series Post Barry was faster by far having mastered speed force capabilities.

how the hell does anyone beat this imba pre-crisis bullshit?

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
how the hell does anyone beat this imba pre-crisis bullshit? by being pre-crisis /superior to pre-crisis villains.

Can we break it down, Uriel?

Fate vs Eclipso (Fate wins, much stronger base levels and has universal shattering feats)
Captain Marvel vs Superboy Prime (Billy would murder Prime. Stronger, faster, and much, much more durable)
Kal-L vs Doomsday (DD might be very powerful with adaptation, but this is Pre-Crisis Superman we're talking about)
Barry vs Zoom (Barry can keep up for a bit, but I'll give it to Zoom for now)
Mon-El vs Synnar (Again, Mon-El would crush him. He was stronger than even Pre-Crisis Superboy and can take a lot of punishment.)
Darkseid vs Orion (Pre-Crisis Orion was VERY powerful. Able to take on Darkseid himself. And that was a pale immitation. )
Cyborg Superman vs Hal (Hal everytime. He was too versatile and in the league of Superman.)

just my opinion.

Treating this as a 1v1??? I was going as a team. DS fires omega beams at all of team 1. Zoom time bubbles team 2 and they attack with impunity. Eclipso can zap marvel with magic lightning to depower him if it comes down to it imo. Barry PC is weaker than post crisis who still had problems with zoom. Synnar has matter manip which is terrible for a daxamite with such a basic weakness and considering he's partly responsible for creation iirc I'm guessing he knows enough to spam lead at the daxamite and even without that he's still no joke with teleports and energy projection along with his natural durability.

DD is a beast but he'll probably lose out in the end but his job I see more as a tank/ distraction for the others.

Orion probably wouldn't take DS in a straight up fight unless you want prophecy in effect which makes their fight moot.

PC characters were too ridiculous.

JLA wins

Originally posted by Uriel005
Treating this as a 1v1??? I was going as a team. DS fires omega beams at all of team 1. Zoom time bubbles team 2 and they attack with impunity. Eclipso can zap marvel with magic lightning to depower him if it comes down to it imo. Barry PC is weaker than post crisis who still had problems with zoom. Synnar has matter manip which is terrible for a daxamite with such a basic weakness and considering he's partly responsible for creation iirc I'm guessing he knows enough to spam lead at the daxamite and even without that he's still no joke with teleports and energy projection along with his natural durability.

DD is a beast but he'll probably lose out in the end but his job I see more as a tank/ distraction for the others.

Orion probably wouldn't take DS in a straight up fight unless you want prophecy in effect which makes their fight moot.

This is a team fight and back then Marvel didn't go down like that. Or it was very hard to do. Eclipso is much, much slower than Cap, anyway.

Team 2 easily unless we go by "lol PC was randumb and we ignore all the average and low showings, and just use the few high showings of Superman and attribute them to all PC!!!"

Or Captain Marvel solos

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Team 2 easily unless we go by "lol PC was randumb and we ignore all the average and low showings, and just use the few high showings of Superman and attribute them to all PC!!!"

Or Captain Marvel solos Hey now thats an unfair statement. PC by and large did lean towards the broken side. However, I do believe that Billy is the biggest threat on T1 due to absolute invuln but I just think that between Zoom time stop and either Synnar or Eclipso they could revert him to batson.

Given that everyone on team 1 can time travel and a few can stop time, I don't see Zoom being much of a threat.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Team 2 easily unless we go by "lol PC was randumb and we ignore all the average and low showings, and just use the few high showings of Superman and attribute them to all PC!!!"

Or Captain Marvel solos

http://www.narutoforums.com/archive/index.php/t-195270.html

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Team 2 easily unless we go by "lol PC was randumb and we ignore all the average and low showings, and just use the few high showings of Superman and attribute them to all PC!!!"

Or Captain Marvel solos The problem lies in when we apply the Full Capacity Flash rule, you see, Superman was consistently strong enough to toss around stars and planets, was consistently able to travel through time, was consistently multiples of light speed, etc, and although he struggled with some bullshit or another at random times- we know it's within his power to use those abilities here.

Originally posted by Juntai
The problem lies in when we apply the Full Capacity Flash rule, you see, Superman was consistently strong enough to toss around stars and planets, was consistently able to travel through time, was consistently multiples of light speed, etc, and although he struggled with some bullshit or another at random times- we know it's within his power to use those abilities here. Why is it whenever I bring that up I get called for using high end feats only.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
This is a team fight and back then Marvel didn't go down like that. Or it was very hard to do. Eclipso is much, much slower than Cap, anyway.
Actually they go down like that. In golden age captain marvel stories captain nazi turned cap into billy by normal lightning many times.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Team 2 easily unless we go by "lol PC was randumb and we ignore all the average and low showings, and just use the few high showings of Superman and attribute them to all PC!!!"

Or Captain Marvel solos
A few high showings? Superman was always doing absurd shit issue by issue and has very few low showings out of context. If you go by that route surfer was armbarred by a human just recently, do you think we can use it to gouge his average or getting koed by sledgehammers or by a brick or meteors etc. That low showings were PIS and no "LOLZ, Its silver age so superman getting koed by electrical fence is acceptable" can change that.