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Okay lets say there is Great evidence That the world will collaps in 20 years due to over population and the human race will end because of it.

1. What do you think governments would do?

2. They were wrong and it will collaps in just 5 years, what would they do?

3. Would hitler like genocides start to happen in countries?

4. Will normal citizens start to kill each other to reduce population?

Any thread that says it is not a conspiracy thread is suspect.

i think first civil war and then genocidal government coups. this assuming catastrophes force humanity to fight over resources for survival as opposed to luxury.

9/11 brought enough fear and hatred to have a large portion of the u.s. calling for nuclear genocide, and this was the result of a few thousand dead and no dramatic personal threat. more so, people can turn pretty evil when they think they're going to die soon if they dont.

Do you have such evidence? If not, this is a rather pointless and unamusing hypothetical. And if you do, this is a conspiracy thread.

Lastly, all of our opinions on this matter are basically worthless. Even legitimate psychologists or historians would be stabbing in the dark. Only a handful of very specialized experts in the world might be able to answer these questions with something resembling statistical likelihood.

its a worthless topic indeed....but a conspiracy thread's topic is based on presumed truths with no valid evidence. "9/11 was an inside job...here are links to my radical conspiracy site articles as evidence, now prove me wrong."

The earth is capable of supporting about 100 billion people.


We'll be fine in the next 20 years.

I think if we ever got to the point where 100 billion are on the planet, then genocides and whole sale slaughters will be taking place regardless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The earth is capable of supporting about 100 billion people.


We'll be fine in the next 20 years. Thats not the point

Originally posted by Digi
Do you have such evidence? If not, this is a rather pointless and unamusing hypothetical. And if you do, this is a conspiracy thread.

Lastly, all of our opinions on this matter are basically worthless. Even legitimate psychologists or historians would be stabbing in the dark. Only a handful of very specialized experts in the world might be able to answer these questions with something resembling statistical likelihood. I just want to know your opinion

Originally posted by dadudemon
The earth is capable of supporting about 100 billion people.


We'll be fine in the next 20 years. What happens after we reach 100 billion?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I just want to know your opinion

Commendable, I suppose, in a sense, but we don't share that desire. I am much more concerned with what we can know, and what knowledge is practical and statistically observable. Guessing at hypotheticals with more variables than any of us can count is an exercise in futility, imo. Potentially useful as mind-expanding thought experiments, perhaps, but not as a means to determining anything factual or useful.

Originally posted by Digi
Commendable, I suppose, in a sense, but we don't share that desire. I am much more concerned with what we can know, and what knowledge is practical and statistically observable. Guessing at hypotheticals with more variables than any of us can count is an exercise in futility, imo. Potentially useful as mind-expanding thought experiments, perhaps, but not as a means to determining anything factual or useful.

Is that what we are doing here?

Originally posted by Digi
Lastly, all of our opinions on this matter are basically worthless. Even legitimate psychologists or historians would be stabbing in the dark.

harumph

Originally posted by Digi
Commendable, I suppose, in a sense, but we don't share that desire. I am much more concerned with what we can know, and what knowledge is practical and statistically observable. Guessing at hypotheticals with more variables than any of us can count is an exercise in futility, imo. Potentially useful as mind-expanding thought experiments, perhaps, but not as a means to determining anything factual or useful.
You sound like a strawman of a scientist/naturalist philosopher sometimes, Digi.

Or AJ Ayer.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Okay lets say there is Great evidence That the world will collaps in 20 years due to over population and the human race will end because of it.

1. What do you think governments would do?

massive crackdown on economic freedoms, end of international trade, rations, strictly enforced rules of who gets what resource, increased police and military presence/powers

until there was no longer enough resources to maintain that, then the state would fall

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
2. They were wrong and it will collaps in just 5 years, what would they do?

same, only accelerated

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
3. Would hitler like genocides start to happen in countries?

no

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
4. Will normal citizens start to kill each other to reduce population?

tribal warfare, very small groups of citizens, probably determined by familial bonds or religion, something other than the state which will collapse. Widespread cannibalism

Thats scary

yes, the end of all resources on the planet would be somewhat scary...

Originally posted by inimalist
massive crackdown on economic freedoms, end of international trade, rations, strictly enforced rules of who gets what resource, increased police and military presence/powers

until there was no longer enough resources to maintain that, then the state would fall



same, only accelerated



no



tribal warfare, very small groups of citizens, probably determined by familial bonds or religion, something other than the state which will collapse. Widespread cannibalism

Great answer.

Originally posted by inimalist
harumph

harumph to you too.

depopulation control would be enacted. Governments would outlaw procreation and limit it to the elite. Dont think it can happen...,give the Government control over your healthcare and see what happens when you need hearth cathider or an inhaler. They're not going to be given to you if you dont have cadillac insurance. The gomment wont pay because the gomment dont care. gomment is ruled by politicians and they're all corrupt when a brave man speak the truth...,they shoot him down. it's all going as according to plan, so dont worry your pretty little heads. lol just F8&kin with you guys i know, but seriously there would be laws on procreation if that ever bacsme a problem. Go watch Gattaca. :-)

Okkay population co0ntrol... "pow pow pow pow pow...your deAd.."no im not". - Yes you aRE! But im standing right next to you... "ok enough talking go into the HOLe!

Originally posted by rudester
Okkay population co0ntrol... "pow pow pow pow pow...your deAd.."no im not". - Yes you aRE! But im standing right next to you... "ok enough talking go into the HOLe! ?

Bump

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Bump de Bump.

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They will do the same thing as in China. Or life will become so hard in overpopulated countries that people will not be able to afford more than one kid, which is already true in a lot of countries including Russia, which is frankly underpopulated.

Originally posted by the ninjak
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m5g8L1v-qas 5 billion... those were the days. I think Captain Planet is calling for regulated breeding.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
depopulation control would be enacted. Governments would outlaw procreation and limit it to the elite. Dont think it can happen...,give the Government control over your healthcare and see what happens when you need hearth cathider or an inhaler. They're not going to be given to you if you dont have cadillac insurance. The gomment wont pay because the gomment dont care. gomment is ruled by politicians and they're all corrupt when a brave man speak the truth...,they shoot him down. it's all going as according to plan, so dont worry your pretty little heads. lol just F8&kin with you guys i know, but seriously there would be laws on procreation if that ever bacsme a problem. Go watch Gattaca. :-)

China tried population control for 50 years and it hasn't worked. It's only accomplished in creating a massive male/female imbalance. And the earth being able to support 100 million people is utter crap. I'ts arguably overpopulated NOW. We are currently consuming resources at an unsustainable rate, causing accelerated climate change, and destroying what's left of nature.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
China tried population control for 50 years and it hasn't worked. It's only accomplished in creating a massive male/female imbalance. And the earth being able to support 100 million people is utter crap. I'ts arguably overpopulated NOW. We are currently consuming resources at an unsustainable rate, causing accelerated climate change, and destroying what's left of nature.


Overpopulation is a myth. It is and always has been a resource distribution problem, not an overpopulation problem. It also has to do with how we use materials, not the finite nature of the materials themselves. Sure, we need to change the focus in energy to far more renewable sources (obviously).


This group makes great vids that tell us why there are really resource issues.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Overpopulation is a myth. It is and always has been a resource distribution problem, not an overpopulation problem.

Absolutely this.

For perspective, I read an article complaining about the movie Battleship in which it stated that the movie's 200 million dollar budget would have been enough to sufficiently feed 800,000 people every day for a year via military-grade rations.

We were spending 50 billion dollars a month at one point funding the wars in the Middle East. So for 50 billion dollars you could feed 200 million people every day for a year. Considering that 50 billion dollars is a drop in the ocean for us, it suffices to say that at least financially, we more than have the means to end world hunger right now.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Absolutely this.

For perspective, I read an article complaining about the movie Battleship in which it stated that the movie's 200 million dollar budget would have been enough to sufficiently feed 800,000 people every day for a year via military-grade rations.

We were spending 50 billion dollars a month at one point funding the wars in the Middle East. So for 50 billion dollars you could feed 200 million people every day for a year. Considering that 50 billion dollars is a drop in the ocean for us, it suffices to say that at least financially, we more than have the means to end world hunger right now.

That makes my enjoyment of films feel quite despicable. Way to bring someone down.


But about the military actions/budget. That's just sad. Maybe we shouldn't cut the military budget as much as I want to (half): maybe we should refocus the efforts?

Suppose the earth is capable of a much larger human population than we have now, do we really want it that way? The majority of earth's population live in poverty, increasing their living standards would only further strain earth's resources. There is currently the issue of climate change (and yes, we are responsible for it) and the impact it is currently having, and which will be compounded in the future, will have on agriculture. More and more humans means less and less of a natural world, is that something we want? i don't. Ending world hunger? What a joke. Even if we were to quit fighting wars, which will never happen, I seriously doubt richer countries are going to allocate the recources it would take to feed all the starving people in Africa and Asia, that would be GASP! socialism. In the end a smaller human population means a better quality of life for those that are here.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Suppose the earth is capable of a much larger human population than we have now, do we really want it that way?



Sure! And I want human lifespan to be increased to 10,000 years. No, I am not joking.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
I seriously doubt richer countries are going to allocate the recources it would take to feed all the starving people in Africa and Asia, that would be GASP! socialism.

America is pretty unique among wealthy nations in having a society that values small amounts of money over human lives.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
America is pretty unique among wealthy nations in having a society that values small amounts of money over human lives.

Not really, historically that's how it's always really been, since the beginning of humanity

So the world population will peak and then drop?

Will I be one of the random people who are going to die when it reach it peak?

Are we just going to die randomly because the earth/universe wont allow it?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
So the world population will peak and then drop?

Will I be one of the random people who are going to die when it reach it peak?

Are we just going to die randomly because the earth/universe wont allow it?

Well, you may be taken up in the rapture. All the good people will be taken in the rapture. I assume the Rapture will occur around the peak. That's why the population is going to start falling: a gradual rapture.


I won't be taken in the rapture because I'm an evil, dirty Mormon. But that just leaves more bitches for me when all the good men are taken.

They should use contraception and family planning.