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Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?

Tier 1

Flash (Wally)
Superman
Silver surfer
Orion

Tier 2

Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter

Tier 3

Thor
Beta ray bill

Tier Dunno

Quasar
Nova
Gladiator

Originally posted by Placidity
Tier 1

Flash (Wally)
Superman
Silver surfer
Orion

Tier 2

Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter

Tier 3

Thor
Beta ray bill

Tier Dunno

Quasar
Nova
Gladiator


Though i would put Hal 1 lower or WW one higher. Gladiator is on SS tier imho. Quasar on Thors and Nova too, maybe one higher.

It's been said WW's reflexes are faster than Superman's, because of her warrior training.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?

Tier 1

Wonder Woman
Flash
Gladiator

Tier 2

Superman
Surfer
Martian Manhunter
Nova

Tier 3

Thor
Bill
Quasar
Green Lantern
Orion

Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?

Flash is tops

Superman is second followed closely by Silver Surfer


Orion/Gladiator/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter

Thor/Nova/Beta Ray Bill

Quasar/Hal

You maybe able to change some of these around cause I don't know of too many speed feats for Orion, I know sometimes he seems to be portrayed as Superman's equal but I think when the chips are down Supes is going to be the faster of the two.

Originally posted by Newjak
Flash is tops

Superman is second followed closely by Silver Surfer


Orion/Gladiator/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter

Thor/Nova/Beta Ray Bill

Quasar/Hal

You maybe able to change some of these around cause I don't know of too many speed feats for Orion, I know sometimes he seems to be portrayed as Superman's equal but I think when the chips are down Supes is going to be the faster of the two.

flash is in his own league.

i think reflexively speaking diana may top kal, or at the least is in his class.

after that i'd say ss based on feats but he should be at least equal to kal based on powerset.

then glads and jonnz. not sure why orion is listed so highly. what feats does he have that indicate he's as fast as diana? anyone?

i agree with the rest of your list.

Originally posted by carver9
Tier 1

Wonder Woman
Flash
Gladiator

Tier 2

Superman
Surfer
Martian Manhunter
Nova

Tier 3

Thor
Bill
Quasar
Green Lantern
Orion
Really carv, but its you so meh. For me its

Tier 1

Flash (Wally)
Superman

Tier 2

Silver surfer
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Gladiator
Nova

Tier 3

Thor
Beta ray bill
Orion
Green lantern
Quasar
Originally posted by Cogito
It's been said WW's reflexes are faster than Superman's, because of her warrior training.
Only mcduffie thought so, in Flash:Rebirth only kal was able to run alongside barry for awhile while everyone was left in dust.
Originally posted by Newjak
Flash is tops

Superman is second followed closely by Silver Surfer


Orion/Gladiator/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter

Thor/Nova/Beta Ray Bill

Quasar/Hal

You maybe able to change some of these around cause I don't know of too many speed feats for Orion, I know sometimes he seems to be portrayed as Superman's equal but I think when the chips are down Supes is going to be the faster of the two.
Malefic laughed at orion's speed in Ostrander's run of martian manhunter.

Going by fts, Wonder Wonder is faster than everyone here minus Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Going by fts, Wonder Wonder is faster than everyone here minus Flash.
What feats?

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/29/1228701_644x936.jpg

This doesn't include her tying up Amazo who had Flash powers before he could react. Superman didn't even see her move.

This also doesn't include her deflecting numerous of Amazo heat vision and he was amped off of Superman AND Wonder Woman speed. Wonder Woman reflexes is far better.

Originally posted by carver9
This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/29/1228701_644x936.jpg

This doesn't include her tying up Amazo who had Flash powers before he could react. Superman didn't even see her move.

This also doesn't include her deflecting numerous of Amazo heat vision and he was amped off of Superman AND Wonder Woman speed. Wonder Woman reflexes is far better.

Did you really just show 3 scans of WW blocking bullets?

Really?

Originally posted by Cogito
Did you really just show 3 scans of WW blocking bullets?

Really?

Naah, I'm just posting randoms for right now. The first one want bullets though. My last comment was more on detail on why I think Wonder Woman reflexes is faster..she also shocked Superman when she blocked his heat vision during a grapple.

Originally posted by Cogito
It's been said WW's reflexes are faster than Superman's, because of her warrior training.

It was basically saying her muscle memory from her training allows her to not have to think before she makes a move, its basically second nature, but Superman compensates for this with his pure raw speed advantage. --It's not just in flying, but running, hand-speed, and perception speed too.

He has those advantages over Diana.

He has to think more when he throws a punch or kick as Diana basically says, but this is ok since his greater perception speed allows the gap to not be as big.

Originally posted by carver9
This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

This...

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/29/1228701_644x936.jpg

This doesn't include her tying up Amazo who had Flash powers before he could react. Superman didn't even see her move.

This also doesn't include her deflecting numerous of Amazo heat vision and he was amped off of Superman AND Wonder Woman speed. Wonder Woman reflexes is far better.
Really carv, did you count after-images for speed? This is getting sillier from you. Only the first one was any good, spidey has better feats than other two, it was red arrow who was narrating that in the comic not superman, flash stole that amazo's speed and does amped means HV was faster?
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN3.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really carv, did you count after-images for speed? This is getting sillier from you. Also
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN3.jpg

The last scan didn't work but the first scan had nothing to do with reflexes since they were flying. Wonder Woman has blocked heat vision from an empowered Amazo without even struggling. She has tied Amazo up before he or Superman even got the chance to see what was going on.

Wondy has straight up busted into the Speed Force too.

That Shattered God scan Carver just posted displays Wondy deflecting fragmented shards hurling at her at light speeds from every corner of the universe. Pretty high end as far as reflex/hand speed goes.

Originally posted by carver9
The last scan didn't work but the first scan had nothing to do with reflexes since they were flying. Wonder Woman has blocked heat vision from an empowered Amazo without even struggling. She has tied Amazo up before he or Superman even got the chance to see what was going on.
Really, that was to show that only superman was able to run alongside barry
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN4.jpg
Does that mean superman's running speed>WW's flying speed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really, that was to show that only superman was able to run alongside barry
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superspeed/Flash-Rebirth03CATCHESUPTOBARRYALLEN4.jpg
Does that mean superman's running speed>WW's flying speed?

How fast was Superman and Flash running because Wonder Woman has kept up with Flash as well. This isn't the only time she ran alongside a Flash. Hell, she ran to the point that she almost entered the speed force.

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228640_500x792.jpg

The league might just stayed behind so that Superman and Flash could talk. So that Superman could talk some sense into Flash.


Then we have this instance.

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/22/1228669_960x1456.jpg

Superman looks pretty shocked.

Originally posted by Konton
Wondy has straight up busted into the Speed Force too.

That Shattered God scan Carver just posted displays Wondy deflecting fragmented shards hurling at her at light speeds from every corner of the universe. Pretty high end as far as reflex/hand speed goes.
No, she didn't. She was piggy-riding Jesse with her lasso. Oh that scan of carv was of shattered god, wasn't she amped by the essence of the same god in WW v2 194? The same "lightspeed" fractions whom steve trevor was able to percieve and outrun for awhile, didn't he?

She was already at the speed force when she grabbed her with the lasso.

^Touching or feeling the outer limits of speed-force is no big deal, Max mercury the slowest of all flashes including jesse whose normal max speed is .25c has touched it many times. The scan of superman being "shocked" is just after diana getting upgraded by clayface, its just before or after he casually grabs her attack and tells her that her reflexes are no match for him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Touching or feeling the outer limits of speed-force is no big deal, Max mercury the slowest of all flashes including jesse whose normal max speed is .25c has touched it many times. The scan of superman being "shocked" is just after diana getting upgraded by clayface, its just before or after he casually grabs her attack and tells her that her reflexes are no match for him.

Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Malefic laughed at orion's speed in Ostrander's run of martian manhunter. like i said I don't know Orion's speed feats that well. I just thought I remembered someone saying that Orion was able to keep pace with Superman at some point which is why I put him where I did.

@carver

this is quoted from recent flash and he's not yet shown speeds to equal wally pre reboot

"My body sends pain messages to my brain at such velocity that the femtosecond I feel something, I will react"-The Flash

EDIT: to clarify a femtosecond is to a second as a second is to 31.7 million years

Originally posted by Cogito
Did you really just show 3 scans of WW blocking bullets?

Really?

Good to see you back Tony.

Originally posted by carver9
Good to see you back Tony.

Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't include her tying up Amazo who had Flash powers before he could react. Superman didn't even see her move.

Blatant untruth, and you've been shown up on it before.

And the sad part is, you diss Wonder Woman's speed whenever she's up against anyone that isn't Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Blatant untruth, and you've been shown up on it before.

And the sad part is, you diss Wonder Woman's speed whenever she's up against anyone that isn't Superman.

Huh? I've said numerous of times that Wonder Woman is the fastest Herald minus Flash. Even though her reflexes is above most doesn't mean she outright stomp any Herald she face, especially with CIS on.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? I've said numerous of times that Wonder Woman is the fastest Herald minus Flash. Even though her reflexes is above most doesn't mean she outright stomp any Herald she face, especially with CIS on.

You're backtracking while trying to back up your point.

Going to address the other point?

Originally posted by carver9
Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.

You need to start using actual logic in your arguments, seriously.

And to stop lying.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're backtracking while trying to back up your point.

Going to address the other point?



You need to start using actual logic in your arguments, seriously.

And to stop lying.

Wonder Woman has proven imo that she is the fastest Herald. Her reflexes is next to none. Pure speed, I would give the edge to numerous of people on that list over her...reflexes, I would only put Flash above her.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman has proven imo that she is the fastest Herald. Her reflexes is next to none. Pure speed, I would give the edge to numerous of people on that list over her...reflexes, I would only put Flash above her.

I don't mind people believing she's the fastest; you can make that argument if you want. It's not unreasonable.

Stating as fact, or stating things that aren't true, though, aren't going to help your case.

One writer who was butthurt because he was IIRC getting his *ss handed to him in a debate on the DC boards (Lol worthy) and it's suddenly fact.

Superman's at least as fast as Wonder Woman in terms of reflexes and his raw speed leaves hers in the dust. The best evidence would be their brief hand to hand encounter in sacrifice but Superman was hallucinating and torn by grief/rage so it's useless as conclusive evidence. On the other hand, there's Superman slapping her around like she owed him money in For Tomorrow etc.

Diana is pretty lucky that no Superman biased writers (Casey, Loeb etc.) ever gave a shit about a fight between the two (Too busy handling real business) like some of her writers are. He'd have probably torn her to pieces.

Originally posted by carver9
Scan? Also, this is about reflexes and Wonder Wonder Woman REFLEXES is above his. Not hard to grasp if we look at fts. She blocker his heat vision like it was nothing...Superman on more than one occasion has been hit by heat vision...hell, Batman has tagged him with his own heat vision. The lady has blocked heat vision coming from all angles from Amazo and Amazo had Superman and Wonder Woman powers during the time. She tied up Amazo before he could react and Superman didn't even see her this.

That was Green Arrow talking, not Superman.

In the very same scene you're referring to by the way, Superman was heavily hinted at being faster than her:

But continue on Carver, I know logic isn't your strong suit.

For the record, Thor's reacted to heat vision before so I'll remember to note this if we ever discuss his reflexes. excellent

For some reasons the scans didn't show up, here's the entire scene:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130432-wonderwoman162p03_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130435-wonderwoman162p04_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27414/1130436-wonderwoman162p05_super.jpg

1. what does running have to do with reflex speed?
2. if you see it, then have the time to think of what to do before reacting, does that even count as a reflex action?
3. do people even know what reflex action is?

Based upon maybe more my perceptions of the memorable feats rather than scans you guys are posting..

Tier 1

Flash

Tier 2
Superman
Silver surfer
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Gladiator

Tier 3
Orion
Thor
Beta ray bill


Tier 4
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Quasar
Nova

I would put Nova up there with Superman and Gladiator. He have some amazing fts.

Originally posted by leonidas
flash is in his own league. I was about to say this . On panel, Flash has reacted by the attosecond/picosecond/femtosecond. That puts him in a category far and away above pretty much anyone/thing else in comics.

Flash himself said it best:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11104235_Untitled.jpg

Where Supes/WW are concerned, I have never seen Dianna perceive events on THIS kind of 'time table':
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104249_Superman709-015.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104250_Superman709-016.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104251_Superman709-017.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104252_Superman709-018.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104254_Superman709-019.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104255_Superman709-020.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104256_Superman709-021.jpg
"Now that I've sped up my senses to match Flash's speed, it's like the whole world has just FROZEN in place around us."

Not saying her reactions aren't faster than Superman's, but I've never seen her speed up her perceptions to such a degree that time essentially stops around her (something Supes effortlessly accomplished)..?

Originally posted by Galan007
I was about to say this . On panel, Flash has reacted by the attosecond/picosecond/femtosecond. That puts him in a category far and away above pretty much anyone/thing else in comics.

Flash himself said it best:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11104235_Untitled.jpg
(thats from superman seven hundred and something right? lol)

exactly my point earlier. although i was referencing this lol

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/f-18.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Where Supes/WW are concerned, I have never seen Dianna perceive events on THIS kind of 'time table':
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104249_Superman709-015.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104250_Superman709-016.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104251_Superman709-017.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104252_Superman709-018.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104254_Superman709-019.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104255_Superman709-020.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11104256_Superman709-021.jpg
"Now that I've sped up my senses to match Flash's speed, it's like the whole world has just FROZEN in place around us."

Not saying her reactions aren't faster than Superman's, but I've never seen her speed up her perceptions to such a degree that time essentially stops around her (something Supes effortlessly accomplished)..?

I don't think she have the senses Superman have but I think she would have been able to sit there at the table and talk with them. She did speak with Jesse and was reacting with her while Jesse was just a foot away from the speed force.

The ft above is like what, 600 MPs. Impressive but within WW capabilities.

Top:

Flash
Superman

High:

Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Orion
Gladiator

Enhanced:

Silver Surfer
Nova

Average:

Thor
Beta Ray Bill
Hal
Quasar

As usual, those who 'defend' Wonder Woman haven't actually read the comics.

You know, I just realized op made this thread Wally flash and some of the scans show Barry flash...

Not sure we should be interchanging feats...

Top --

Surfer

Flash

High--

Gladiator
Nova
Wonderwoman
Superman

Enhanced --

Thor
Beta Ray Bill

Lower tier --
Hal Jordan
Quasar

Originally posted by quanchi112
Top --

Surfer

Flash

High--

Gladiator
Nova
Wonderwoman
Superman

Enhanced --

Thor
Beta Ray Bill

Lower tier --
Hal Jordan
Quasar

Originally posted by batdude123
I laughed this year when Eli won his second sbowl ring. Poor Peyton.

Originally posted by batdude123


Don't laugh. I tried to understand Quans "logic" and it makes sense. Surfer tried to grab the IG from Thanos and Thanos "dodged" it (not really, Surfer missed and Thanos was still amped). So if Surfer is da fastest with the best reflexes and Thanos fast fast enough to "react" then Thanos is the fastest!

Originally posted by quanchi112
I laughed this year when Eli won his second sbowl ring. Poor Peyton.

0/10 troll attempt.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Don't laugh. I tried to understand Quans "logic" and it makes sense. Surfer tried to grab the IG from Thanos and Thanos "dodged" it (not really, Surfer missed and Thanos was still amped). So if Surfer is da fastest with the best reflexes and Thanos fast fast enough to "react" then Thanos is the fastest! Thanos moved you can see him notice the Surfer with the glimmer in his eye.

Originally posted by rotiart
You know, I just realized op made this thread Wally flash and some of the scans show Barry flash...

Not sure we should be interchanging feats...

wally has shown far greater speed then berry. so if you compare what berry does then wally should be able to surpass it. imo

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos moved you can see him notice the Surfer with the glimmer in his eye.
Lulz, its so easy to lure you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz, its so easy to lure you. I never said it wasn't. The thing is I don't walk away but they all do.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Don't laugh. I tried to understand Quans "logic" and it makes sense. Surfer tried to grab the IG from Thanos and Thanos "dodged" it (not really, Surfer missed and Thanos was still amped). So if Surfer is da fastest with the best reflexes and Thanos fast fast enough to "react" then Thanos is the fastest!

You got that wrong - it was Captain America who changed his body's position the most noticeably, going into an attacking position and all, as Surfer was making the attempt at grab.

And, as we all know, Steve is the fastest high herald in comics.

Not sure if Hal's auto-targeting capabilities for his ring counts as reflex under his own power? Otherwise, he's just a normal human being, albeit one with exceptional reflexes (likely due to him being a pilot). I know Hal was unable to target his cousin Airwave, who was moving at or exceeding lightspeed, but he's also managed to momentarily restrain Zoom (under the same writer no less).

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Damn, how could I miss this! So, Reflex speed:

Captain America > Thanos > SS > Marvel > DC

http://superherouniverse.com/art/data/500/Cap.gif

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think she have the senses Superman have but I think she would have been able to sit there at the table and talk with them. She did speak with Jesse and was reacting with her while Jesse was just a foot away from the speed force.

The ft above is like what, 600 MPs. Impressive but within WW capabilities. Wtf? srsly

Captain America wins...the guy see bullets in slow motion. Seeing bullets in slow motion>>>seeing humans move in slow motion.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wtf? srsly

Lol...what was that for?

Good thing my opinion is based on the comics.

Flash

Superman
Silver Surfer

Wonder Woman

Don't care enough about the rest, tbh. Imo, I think Surfer can vary.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where Supes/WW are concerned, I have never seen Dianna perceive events on THIS kind of 'time table':
"Now that I've sped up my senses to match Flash's speed, it's like the whole world has just FROZEN in place around us."

Not saying her reactions aren't faster than Superman's, but I've never seen her speed up her perceptions to such a degree that time essentially stops around her (something Supes effortlessly accomplished)..?

Not as far as I know but it shouldn't be any surprise.

Anyone who's done any research can tell you that Superman is beyond Wonder Woman in raw speed. He has an overwhelming advantage in all raw physical stats.

bump

Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?
Flash
Superman
WW
Silver surfer
Gladiator
The rest

Originally posted by Cogito
It's been said WW's reflexes are faster than Superman's, because of her warrior training.


LMFAO. Another idiot who believes that crap. Superman's reflexes are clearly superior to hers. Batman has warrior training too. Do you honestly think his reflexes are faster than Clark's? LOL. Please point out to me exactly where it's been stated that her reflexes are better than his because going by showings his are much better. That's an undeniable fact.

Originally posted by Star428
LMFAO. Another idiot who believes that crap. Superman reflexes are clearly superior to hers. Batman has warrior training too. Do you honestly think his reflexes are faster than Clark's? LOL.

People love to be lowballers for life.

Flash
Gladiator
SS
WW
Superman

Since this thread was created to put superman next to flash with a hidden agenda, please superman fans, dont even bother to dispute my ranking, i normally refuse to answer wank/bait/fan based answers thread, but everyone needs a good laugh every now and then. Wink.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only mcduffie thought so, in Flash:Rebirth only kal was able to run alongside barry for awhile while everyone was left in dust.
Umm, abhi, isn't this topic about reflexes and not travel speed?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Damn, how could I miss this! So, Reflex speed:

Captain America > Thanos > SS > Marvel > DC
Don't you dare mock Captain Maerica!!!! He has even outran, not just dodged, outran sonic attacks!!!! He plays along with daredevil who has felt in nanoseconds!!!!Hrrrmphh.

Originally posted by Star428
LMFAO. Another idiot who believes that crap. Superman's reflexes are clearly superior to hers. Batman has warrior training too. Do you honestly think his reflexes are faster than Clark's? LOL. Please point out to me exactly where it's been stated that her reflexes are better than his because going by showings his are much better. That's an undeniable fact.
Ummm, its due to her stats and training. As per that, may I ask you, both Swordsman and Wolverine has had warrior training. But does anyone compare them? Supes and Wondy are on the same level so they are compared.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Umm, abhi, isn't this topic about reflexes and not travel speed?
Running is about reflex speed. And she doesn't has any feats on his level. Heck, she outright said Power Girl was as fast as her and Superman has made PG look like a statue.Originally posted by JBL
Flash
Gladiator
SS
WW
Superman

Since this thread was created to put superman next to flash with a hidden agenda, please superman fans, dont even bother to dispute my ranking, i normally refuse to answer wank/bait/fan based answers thread, but everyone needs a good laugh every now and then. Wink.
LMAO, this is just great.

But I will wait for Gladiator's speed feats which even remotely compare to Superman though.

Flash (Wally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wonder woman
>
Superman
>>
Gladiator
>>>>
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
>>>>
Beta ray bill
Thor
Orion
>>
Quasar
>
Nova
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)

If we were talking travel speed and not reaction speed, WW would move down under Gladiator and SS would move up under Superman.

I'm specifying because of relativity. Those whose reaction speed is vastly lower than their travel speed NEVER react to anything unless they are moving at high speed (hence it is relativity related). Those who's reaction speed far outweighs their travel speed have feats reactng to thngs vastly faster than them while stationary.

Shoulda added Spidey to this thread to increase the sh*tstorm to epic proportions.

Spiderman does have fts where he's seen the world frozen and not just meta humans either, it was bullets that was at a standstill as well. He should most def be added.

Originally posted by vdoxII
Flash (Wally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wonder woman
>
Superman
>>
Gladiator
>>>>
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
>>>>
Beta ray bill
Thor
Orion
>>
Quasar
>
Nova
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)

If we were talking travel speed and not reaction speed, WW would move down under Gladiator and SS would move up under Superman.

I'm specifying because of relativity. Those whose reaction speed is vastly lower than their travel speed NEVER react to anything unless they are moving at high speed (hence it is relativity related). Those who's reaction speed far outweighs their travel speed have feats reactng to thngs vastly faster than them while stationary.
I would like to see reflex "feats" of Wonder Woman which are even as good as Supergirl, let alone Superman. Here Kara vanishes right in front of Wally who has to actually work to catch her. Wonder Woman said that Wally is literally a blur to her.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/flashout.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/flashout2.jpg

By her own admission she is just as fast as Power Girl. Superman is leagues above that.

Originally posted by vdoxII
Flash (Wally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wonder woman
>
Superman
>>
Gladiator
>>>>
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
>>>>
Beta ray bill
Thor
Orion
>>
Quasar
>
Nova
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)

If we were talking travel speed and not reaction speed, WW would move down under Gladiator and SS would move up under Superman.

I'm specifying because of relativity. Those whose reaction speed is vastly lower than their travel speed NEVER react to anything unless they are moving at high speed (hence it is relativity related). Those who's reaction speed far outweighs their travel speed have feats reactng to thngs vastly faster than them while stationary.

Surfer's got massive travel speed feats

Originally posted by abhilegend
Running is about reflex speed.
Thank you. Support me when i use the same argument will you

Originally posted by abhilegend
And she doesn't has any feats on his level. Heck, she outright said Power Girl was as fast as her and Superman has made PG look like a statue.
first and last i don't know about since i am not so into dc comics. Second - yeah, but diana still won

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Thank you. Support me when i use the same argument will you Ok? Superman has actually raced both Wally and Barry going at full speed. Wonder Woman was outmatched by Barry when he was supersonic level and Wally was literally a blur to her.


Skills. And all she did was get PG into a submission hold. Supergirl did it without any skills.

Superman>All

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really carv, but its you so meh. For me its

Tier 1

Flash (Wally)
Superman

Tier 2

Silver surfer
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Gladiator
Nova

Tier 3

Thor
Beta ray bill
Orion
Green lantern
Quasar

Only mcduffie thought so, in Flash:Rebirth only kal was able to run alongside barry for awhile while everyone was left in dust.

Malefic laughed at orion's speed in Ostrander's run of martian manhunter.

Superman might be next after flash but he's not in the same tier... Flash is his clear superior.

Explain Kara's Feat then which is above Flash speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok? Superman has actually raced both Wally and Barry going at full speed. Wonder Woman was outmatched by Barry when he was supersonic level and Wally was literally a blur to her.

Is this why you made this thread? To wait for the inevitable person whose opinion of Superman is lower than yours - shockingly, from "HulkIsHulk" in this case - and tell him he's wrong?

This...you enjoy this, don't you? How erect are you right now?

For what it's worth, I'm probably closer to agreeing with you than many others. Superman's quantifiable feats are better than all but the Flash here. It just all seems so rehashed.

Originally posted by Digi
Is this why you made this thread? To wait for the inevitable person whose opinion of Superman is lower than yours - shockingly, from "HulkIsHulk" in this case - and tell him he's wrong?

This...you enjoy this, don't you? How erect are you right now?

For what it's worth, I'm probably closer to agreeing with you than many others. Superman's quantifiable feats are better than all but the Flash here. It just all seems so rehashed.
No, I made this thread two years ago when I was still new here and was trying to learn about this forum.

How about I bump one of your threads from six years ago and tell you what you're saying now to me?

Wonder Woman has better reflexes, then Gladiator, then Superman, Surfer, the rest.

Carver, keep drinking the kool-aid. LOL.

Flash
Superman / Wonder Woman
Surfer
Gladiator
Manhunter

Originally posted by Star428


Carver, keep drinking the kool-aid. LOL.




Did you expect anything else from the raging green ape?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see reflex "feats" of Wonder Woman which are even as good as Supergirl, let alone Superman. Here Kara vanishes right in front of Wally who has to actually work to catch her. Wonder Woman said that Wally is literally a blur to her.


By her own admission she is just as fast as Power Girl. Superman is leagues above that.



That's running speed, and everyone agrees Superman's faster there.

Why do you keep using examples of someone running fast when this is a reflex speed? As in, you know, how fast she can move an arm or such in reflex? Two years on and you're still making the same mistakes.


Reflex speed, in addition to the flat-out stated McDuffie thing, but her good showings against Flash and Zoom (remember, her beating Zoom?), and on a couple occasions Superman has used repeated rapid-fire bursts of heatvision and having them deflected.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Ummm, its due to her stats and training. As per that, may I ask you, both Swordsman and Wolverine has had warrior training. But does anyone compare them? Supes and Wondy are on the same level so they are compared.


But, that's not what the dumb@$$ I quoted claimed...and no, Wondy is clearly not on his level in ANY category. All she has on him is fighting skill and her magical equipment. He's at least a tier above her in every other category including raw overall power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I made this thread two years ago when I was still new here and was trying to learn about this forum.

How about I bump one of your threads from six years ago and tell you what you're saying now to me?

Ha, ok cool, didn't see the date. Usually I'm better about that.

And you don't need to bother with bumping one of my old threads, I'll save you the time: I'm always erect when I browse KMC.

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Originally posted by Star428
But, that's not what the dumb@$$ I quoted claimed...and no, Wondy is clearly not on his level in ANY category. All she has on him is fighting skill and her magical equipment. He's at least a tier above her in every other category including raw overall power.


Not according to Superman or Batman. They believe she has advantages... like reflexes.


She's obviously not that far behind overall, as their head to head showings show.

Originally posted by Digi
Ha, ok cool, didn't see the date. Usually I'm better about that.

And you don't need to bother with bumping one of my old threads, I'll save you the time: I'm always erect when I browse KMC.

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Albi is the Leader of The House of El, you should know this

Originally posted by Q99
Not according to Superman or Batman. They believe she has advantages... like reflexes.


She's obviously not that far behind overall, as their head to head showings show.

LOL. Post a scan please where Clark himself states that WW has faster reflexes than he does. I don't give a god**** what Batman said. I stated the only advantages she has over him in my previous post and reflexes is most definitely NOT one of them. If you show some proof of Clark stating what you claim then I might have to agree with you but going by actual feats (including their fights against each other) she is not in his league in reflexes or anything else besides skill (which she is clearly above in).

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Post a scan please where Clark himself states that WW has faster reflexes than he does. I don't give a god**** what Batman said. I stated the only advantages she has over him in my previous post and reflexes is most definitely NOT one of them.


Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."

And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)

Originally posted by Q99
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."

And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)

Superman disagreed with the overgrown bat and the whore woman .

Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'


We all know how this ends. You say 'lol' a lot, make some sexist comments, people roll their eyes, the people who like to pretend WW's weak look dumb, and you try again next time.

Originally posted by Q99
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."

And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)


LOL@ you using that second scan which doesn't help your case at all. As you say, he was only testing her. It's not like he was using an all-out attack on her using all his speed. So, I'm not sure why you even bother posting it unless you're really desperate to find something since there is virtually nothing that shows her on his level.

The first scan doesn't really prove anything either except that WW and Batman believe she has faster reflexes. Superman himself never actually agrees with them. Just "I get what you're saying" means he understands why they actually think that. Doesn't mean he all of a sudden agrees... and like I said previously, going by actual showings he is above her. Just look at their fight in "Superman: For Tomorrow", for example and how easily he handled her there. He treated her like she was nothing and even turned his back on her. She used her superspeed to attack him and he turned and caught her thrust easily.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'


Not what I said at all, Superman was not going all out on her by any means. Secondly he disagreed with what Bat's had said and was bout to have a rebuttal but they were interrupted. This scan proves nothing more then some friendly rivalry trash talk. If Superman wanted to he could kill them both before the knew they were dead.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'


We all know how this ends. You say 'lol' a lot, make some sexist comments, people roll their eyes, the people who like to pretend WW's weak look dumb, and you try again next time.

Seems Albi and others doesn't know the difference between running speed and reflex speed.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not what I said at all, Superman was not going all out on her by any means. Secondly he disagreed with what Bat's had said and was bout to have a rebuttal but they were interrupted. This scan proves nothing more then some friendly rivalry trash talk. If Superman wanted to he could kill them both before the knew they were dead.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Seems Albi and others doesn't know the difference between running speed and reflex speed.


I clearly know the difference and Superman is way above her in both.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'


LOL. How does WW deflecting the heat vision blasts of a Superman who is just messing around actually prove a damn thing? That reminds me of all the idiots who claimed (in the Superman vs WW thread) that because Diana was able to get a technical win in their 'Sacrifice' fight that all of a sudden she's on his level. But, conveniently ignore the fact that he was hallucinating throughout all the fight and yet he still came off looking superior despite his huge disadvantage.





Ha, ha. No, it ends after the thread has gone on on for about 200 pages again because of Diana supporters who keep denying that **** doesn't stink, with people like me getting getting tired of arguing with people like you and just decide to not even bother with the thread anymore.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Running is about reflex speed. And she doesn't has any feats on his level. Heck, she outright said Power Girl was as fast as her and Superman has made PG look like a statue.
LMAO, this is just great.

But I will wait for Gladiator's speed feats which even remotely compare to Superman though. You can laugh all you want, but gladiator has numbers to go with his speed feats, superman does not and you only guess and jack up a scan to deceive the people who want the same thing but are too scared or smart to say it themselves. Every time a number is given, superman falls way short. Flash fighting zoom, he fell way short because a number was given that he could not match, when it was answered directly about him and wonder woman on the SUBJECT of who was faster combat wise, he again fell way short. But you use scans where there is NOTHING indicating a speed, its just moving fast or some character fighting flash or keeping up with him and flash not making a fool out of them although when the SUBJECT of speed is the focus, it is made CLEAR AS DAY that flash toys with them so to speak. You explain it as if flash is moving or reacting as fast as he can, and like superman, you yourself fall way short to the trained eyes of those who know your predictable motives day after day and beyond. That is truly sad my friend, but there is one bright spot in all of this..... you have a few who believe you or at least hope its true dispite your daily corrections by others.

Runnng speed is not about reflex speed... jesus

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Runnng speed is not about reflex speed... jesus The WW showing was about reflexes and flash and zoom were in combat where reflexes were at play.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see reflex "feats" of Wonder Woman which are even as good as Supergirl, let alone Superman. Here Kara vanishes right in front of Wally who has to actually work to catch her. Wonder Woman said that Wally is literally a blur to her.



By her own admission she is just as fast as Power Girl. Superman is leagues above that.

Not a single thing in this scan or anything you mentioned has anythng what so ever to do with reflex. They are travel speed related. I stated in my post that in travel speed Dianna falls down the list under Gladiator n(JUST above MMH) and SS moves up with Superman.

reaction is
"something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event."
It relates to reflex which is
"an action that is performed without conscious thought as a response to a stimulus"

none of which is in your scans. It's the what you do in response to something NOT the how ffast you move, what you perceive etc etc. In your scan any "reaction" a character has is and always would be relativity dependant. It's like how for us driving a car at the speed on the freeeway we can react to the things at that speed because relative to us they are traveling the same or slower. We can't dodge those same cars when we are a pedestrian because our relative perspective has changed.

Frankly the feat of WW deflecting bullets of the hoods with automatic weaposn in an orphanage while blind is many times better than that scan. I realise this will sound strang but let me explain. In that scan she is in an orphanage room only a few meters from guys firing automatic weapons at the orphans. She was blinded so had to identify the path of the bullets travel purely by the sound they made through the ear to be able to react to them. Outomaic weapons fire bullets have a speed of between 280 to 460m/s. Sound travels at 340 m/s. This means essentiallythat the sound actually gets to her only instants before the bullet or it's slower. Clearly the gubns used can't have been higher caliber or the feat is impossible.

If we assume that it is the 280m/s speed of a bullet. then over the 4m in distance we are talking about it travels to her in less than a millisecond. making the reaction feat ALMOST (note I said almost, I understand it's missing a zero) a nanosecond feat (she reacts to near 300m/s (hundreds( in less than a millisecond making the difference in ten's thousands not the 100's of a nano).

That's no where enar her best reaction feat. The fact that most of hers are from a stationary position as opposed to reacting while at speed (removing any relative speed rates from the reaction equation) also makes them better.

Running or even feats like those of Superman talking to Flash while they both move at light speed aren't "reaction feats, and aren't even good if they were. Superman moving at that speed operating on the smae level as Flash in speed makes it a relativity action rather than a reaction. Because he is moving at the same speed relative to him what he's reacting to isn't fast compared to his relative rate of travel.


Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Wonder Woman has reacted to things that based on travel speed she should not even be able to keep up with. Thta's why I said IF IT WERE travel speed SS would move up and WW move WAY down. in travel speed it would be

Flash (this is taking into acount Human race obviously- infinite speed)
>>>>>>>>>>
Superman=/= Silver Surfer
>>>
Gladiator
>>
Wonder Woman
>>
Martian Manhunter etc etc.

Ugh... Just noticed a mistake in my last post.

Edit: the phrase in second sentence should read : "...because of all the Diana supporters who keep claiming that **** doesn't stink. NOT "denying".

Nice of everyone to show their bias. This is why we can't have nice things.

Guys, act better, or don't post. It's a simple choice.

What speed feats does MM have?

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. How does WW deflecting the heat vision blasts of a Superman who is just messing around actually prove a damn thing?


When he's specifically trying to test her reflexes, and she didn't find him doing so to be particularly fast.

Also, he tried the 'Superspeed bursts of heat vision' during Sacrifice too... and she blocked every one then as well.

And that's when he's not holding back at all.




"Still came off looking superior" rarely fits well with "Cut throat, bruised ribs, ruptured eardrums, and minor limp."

You may say he came off looking superior, but he lost. He looked better during the first part, she did during the second. Now, I don't put them on the same level even so, Superman is admitted to have a small edge, but "Lol they aren't close even though she won!" is a really poor argument on your part.


And note, the 'hallucination' did not stop him from noticing and responding to her weapons like the lasso. They never caused him to go off target or misjudge a threat, he was fighting in HtH as he would her (grabbing *her* wrist, not Doomsday's oversized wrist that'd be a couple feet taller and such).

While it did affect the fight, it was mainly in that his tactical choices were off, he was being too aggressive and she exploited that, but he was fighting full power full strength and able to see all of her attacks and such.

At the end of the fight, they were both pretty injured... but both of them, Wonder Woman included, were able to shake it off and get to heroing minutes later, and she was able to beat a trio of high-level Alpha Omacs not long after without showing any sign of the fight with no-holds-back-Superman having affected her much.





And also note, that's not the only time they've stalemated. In Superman: For Tomorrow, they hit each other back and forth for a bit indecisively (Neither was hurt), and Superman's goal was simply to get *past* her so he could risk his life to save Lois's, and he was unable to do so until there was an outside distraction (a crashing helicopter, which WW had to rescue, allowing him past).


So in a Superman book, he had to rely on a distraction to get past her, showing her speed is good enough to block him that much.

Originally posted by vdoxII
Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Wonder Woman has reacted to things that based on travel speed she should not even be able to keep up with. Thta's why I said IF IT WERE travel speed SS would move up and WW move WAY down.

Your statement makes no sense at all. If the Surfer has the ability to avoid objects while moving at those speeds, he is obviously reacting to objects approaching him at those speeds. If what you say was true, he would crash into everything in front of him while traveling at super speeds. Does it make any sense to you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor

Tier 4
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?

Since everybody's doing tiers, I suppose I'll drop some too.

Tier 1
The Flash

Tier 2
Superman
Wonder Woman
Silver Surfer

Tier 3
Thor
Gladiator
BRB
Manhunter
Quasar
Nova
Orion (No clue about Orion tbh)

Honestly Hal and Nova could be higher, since they can let their rings/force do the targeting for them, but generally Hal seems to have SHIT reflexes. In fact he's going into a tier of his own.

Tier 52
Hal Jordan

Originally posted by JBL
Flash
Gladiator
SS
WW
Superman

Since this thread was created to put superman next to flash with a hidden agenda, please superman fans, dont even bother to dispute my ranking, i normally refuse to answer wank/bait/fan based answers thread, but everyone needs a good laugh every now and then. Wink. how is Superman below Gladiator? Superman has picosecond feats.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your statement makes no sense at all. If the Surfer has the ability to avoid objects while moving at those speeds, he is obviously reacting to objects approaching him at those speeds. If what you say was true, he would crash into everything in front of him while traveling at super speeds. Does it make any sense to you?

What he says makes perfect sense to me when you consider Eisteins law of general relativity. If your traveling at light speed according to Einstein the speed of everything else is relative to your speed. Therefore something for example traveling at half the speed looks slow as paint drying to you. Everything slower than light appears to move like a snail pace and anything light speed would appear to you the same way a car traveling at 50mph like when you travel the same. When you drive on the freeway at high speed you don't suddenly gain enhanced reflexes to react to things moving that speed you have already adapted to a different frame of reference. When a fighter pilot flies at Mach 16 etc they don't gain super human reflexes to compensate they simply adapt to the frame of reference. Said fighter pilot likely doesn't have the reaction speed to dodge or block a martial artist who moves at a franction of the speed he flies when he operates at the speed of normal human movement but can react to dodge things while flying and can react to like speed air craft in a dog fight.

Like vdII or what ever his face said that's not reaction it's just the way anyone is capable of reacting if they can operate at that speed. If we suddenly developed FTL propulsion than any pilot flying it could match SS or Superman's abilities to do these things.

Originally posted by Q99
That's running speed, and everyone agrees Superman's faster there. Because running speed is reflex speed. Just like Flash has lightspeed reflexes because he can run at that speed.

Haha, its like you're stuck in a loop. You're at the mistake here. But don't let that deter you.


Busiek flat out contradicted at and Simone did it too.

Flash was a blur to her under Simone, as was Zoom under rucka and Zoom flat out massacred her under Johns. Superman has caught Barry at hyperlight speed and was said by Professor Zoom that his reflexes rivals his own. Better than her in every way.

Originally posted by Q99
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."

And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)

Oh hey, she herself says that Power Girl is as fast as she is.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/2337226-wonder_woman_041_12.jpg

But its like a single statement from Mcduffie is be all and end all. How about I use a scene where Deathstroke was said to be faster than her?

And Superman has actually blitzed people who can swat heat vision out of air and deflected kryptonite rays out of air from different places. Several of them.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What speed feats does MM have?

He got blitzed by zod.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because running speed is reflex speed. Just like Flash has lightspeed reflexes because he can run at that speed.

Where on earth do you get an idea like that?? Running speed is travel speed NOT reaction speed and CERTAINLY NOT reflex.
Mirrium Webster dictionaries define reflex as "An action or movement of the body that happens automatically as a reaction to something". Not one statement about running or travel speed.



Every single thing metioned here is about travel speed NOT reaction speed. One has to do with the rate of travel, the other has to do with how quickly the body autonomously responds.


Again this is travel speed, not reaction speed.

The reason why Martial artists have superior reactions to a normal person is because their training (katas etc) makes certain responses to certain ctions autonomic. By constatly repeating katas so a single response is to trained to be the autonomic muscle memory reaction to multiple similar actions or attacks it becomes more likely that the body does perform this as an auto reaction before any thought is placed in making a response. The defense aspects of almost all amrtial arts are very similar and repetative. It's only in the attack aspects that MA's become complex as these are usually thought about before performed.


Deathstroke uses 90% of his brain and his reactions ARE superior for that reason. Need I mention he has also tagged Flash?? Are you using that argument to suggest that Flash has slow reaction speed? NO.



Superman blitzing people is travel speed. People swatting his beams is reactions speed. So the fact that you cvan supply such instances is porrf that there are others with superior reactions to him that are not in his league for speed of operation. You essentially just proved the argument of the person you were responding to to be correct.


Not how I'd have put ti but close enough I guess to my point.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'


We all know how this ends. You say 'lol' a lot, make some sexist comments, people roll their eyes, the people who like to pretend WW's weak look dumb, and you try again next time.

Umm fanboyism and sexism are pretty different

Originally posted by vdoxII
Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Wonder Woman has reacted to things that based on travel speed she should not even be able to keep up with. Thta's why I said IF IT WERE travel speed SS would move up and WW move WAY down. in travel speed it would be

Flash (this is taking into acount Human race obviously- infinite speed)
>>>>>>>>>>
Superman=/= Silver Surfer
>>>
Gladiator
>>
Wonder Woman
>>
Martian Manhunter etc etc.
That's what I was saying travel speed is not reflex speed. But many don't seem to get it. When it comes to their favorite character, travel speed = combat speed. When it is someone they want to put down its the opposite

Originally posted by Stoic
Your statement makes no sense at all. If the Surfer has the ability to avoid objects while moving at those speeds, he is obviously reacting to objects approaching him at those speeds. If what you say was true, he would crash into everything in front of him while traveling at super speeds. Does it make any sense to you?
Surfer does have high reflexes, but many say he doesn't and then say teavel speed is not qual to cobat speed but when it comes to theri favourite, travel speed is combat speed

Originally posted by h1a8
how is Superman below Gladiator? Superman has picosecond feats. Was flash and zoom fighting in picoseconds? no. What was superman doing at the time?

Originally posted by JBL
Was flash and zoom fighting in picoseconds? no. What was superman doing at the time? what are you talking about? I'm referring to feats that Superman actually has.

You still haven't explained why you put gladiator over superman. What is your basis for this?

Originally posted by h1a8
what are you talking about? I'm referring to feats that Superman actually has.

You still haven't explained why you put gladiator over superman. What is your basis for this?


Because he hates Superman. If you look at all his former posts regarding Superman you'll see that (like Carver) he really hates him. For Christ sake, he even picks WW to win over Superman in a fight. LOL. Despite all the evidence shown that proves she has virtually no chance against him.

Originally posted by h1a8
what are you talking about? I'm referring to feats that Superman actually has.

You still haven't explained why you put gladiator over superman. What is your basis for this?

What Picoseconds ft are you talking about?

Originally posted by Star428
Because he hates Superman. If you look at all his former posts regarding Superman you'll see that (like Carver) he really hates him. For Christ sake, he even picks WW to win over Superman in a fight. LOL. Despite all the evidence shown that proves she has virtually no chance against him.

Carver I demand you answer for this!! Is this true?

You back WW to beat Superman!?

I am in utter shame. I will not forget this grievance.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Carver I demand you answer for this!! Is this true?

You back WW to beat Superman!?

I am in utter same. I will not forget this grievance.


Well, I was referring to the other guy that h1a8 quoted but yeah, Carver does too. You shouldn't be surprised by this. You don't remember him picking WW in the Supes vs WW thread that went on for what seemed like an eternity?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Carver I demand you answer for this!! Is this true?

You back WW to beat Superman!?

I am in utter same. I will not forget this grievance.

Never said WW would pull a majority but she can pull some wins against any Herald because she has the fts (that I posted in the thread). This is a woman that beat Mongul and a Kryptonian by herself. Handled Zod and Faora by herself, stomped Supergirl, was running through Hal. Yeah, she could most def pull some wins and if someone said the majority, I wouldn't fault them for it either.

Originally posted by carver9
Never said WW would pull a majority but she can pull some wins against any Herald because she has the fts (that I posted in the thread). This is a woman that beat Mongul and a Kryptonian by herself. Handled Zod and Faora by herself, stomped Supergirl, was running through Hal. Yeah, she could most def pull some wins and if someone said the majority, I wouldn't fault them for it either.

I accept this answer and I will not track you down and burn your house down.

Guys, leave out personal attacks. No baiting.

I'm not sure how Surfer is even in this conversation.

I'm not sure how two writers (maybe even just one) in the old DCU suggesting that Diana was faster than Superman makes her so.

Originally posted by vdoxII
Where on earth do you get an idea like that?? Running speed is travel speed NOT reaction speed and CERTAINLY NOT reflex. What the? Flying speed is travel speed, not running speed.
That's why we're using comics as proof and not dictionaries, right?



Then you have to learn what reflexes are in comics.


You telling isn't a proof.

Get this real life logic out of here. Bring in her feats or shut up.


No, he literally vanished right in front of diana before she could react. And @ him tagging Flash as a reaction feat.



Haha, what? How does this even makes any sense is beyond me. Superman outreacting people isn't a reaction feat but a travel speed feat.


Are you from comicvine by any chance? Only there anything this inane can be used as logic.

Originally posted by Star428
Because he hates Superman. If you look at all his former posts regarding Superman you'll see that (like Carver) he really hates him. For Christ sake, he even picks WW to win over Superman in a fight. LOL. Despite all the evidence shown that proves she has virtually no chance against him. Do you really want me to show you who you pick superman to win over and how you attack every person who do not worship superman? Nice S symbol on your profile, what character wears that S? Is it superman by any chance?

No more personal attacks. That means JBL, Star, Abhi, and anyone else doing it. I might have been away a while, but that doesn't mean I somehow forgot who the biggest offenders are.

The Diana and Deathstroke showing is during her classic days when her speed fts wasn't close to what it was before the reboot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO?

wally
superman
wonder woman/glads/ss
orion/jonnz
thor/quasar/hal/bill/nova (all are really too close to differentiate at any meaningful level imo)

Originally posted by leonidas
wally
superman
wonder woman/glads/ss
orion/jonnz
thor/quasar/hal/bill/nova (all are really too close to differentiate at any meaningful level imo)

pretty much mine.

my only difference is that, if it were up to me, Clark and Diana would be around equal in terms of reflexes. The comics do support him being faster than her though, imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
pretty much mine.

my only difference is that, if it were up to me, Clark and Diana would be around equal in terms of reflexes. The comics do support him being faster than her though, imo. so if the comics support him faster, why would you have them as equals...biased much?!

Originally posted by Starscream M
so if the comics support him faster, why would you have them as equals...biased much?!

What?

You're implying I like Wonder Woman more than Superman?

Originally posted by -Pr-
What?

You're implying I like Wonder Woman more than Superman? no, you implied that

you said comics support superman being faster than Wondy BUT that you'd like to view them as equals

Originally posted by Starscream M
no, you implied that

you said comics support superman being faster than Wondy BUT that you'd like to view them as equals

No, I really didn't. At all.

I simply like the idea that they could be on the same level when it comes to reflexes, that's all.

I'd like it if Hulk was beaten in a physical fist fight now and then.

Comics don't support this stance.

Does not make me biased if I say Professor Hulk loses against Pc validus