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Black Widow
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Echo
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Mockingbird
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Silver Sable
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Viper
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White Tiger
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Colleen Wing
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Cassandra Cain
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Black Canary
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Judomaster
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Katana
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Batwoman (w/new tech)
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Cheshire
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Kunoichi
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I don't know the last one, but team 2. They're overall more skilled, they have the Canary Cry, they have Judomaster's aversion field which is hard for anyone to deal with...

Originally posted by Q99
I don't know the last one, but team 2. They're overall more skilled, they have the Canary Cry, they have Judomaster's aversion field which is hard for anyone to deal with...

I'd say Marvel's team is overall more skilled by a decent margin (and they have a few superhuman members), but the Canary Cry and aversion field are hard advantages to over come. Widow has tear gas and stun grenades, and Viper has a variety of gasses / poisons she implements routinely (some of which allow for mind control IIRC)... so I guess that's what it comes down to in the end. Powers vs Gear.

Is Mockingbird now close to Steve Roger's physical prowess due to the Infinity Formula/Super Soldier serum she was given?

Some of her latest feats suggest that she's pretty damn close at first glance.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Is Mockingbird now close to Steve Roger's physical prowess due to the Infinity Formula/Super Soldier serum she was given?

Some of her latest feats suggest that she's pretty damn close at first glance.

Yes. I don't think she is on exactly par with physically, largely due to the differences in their physiques, but she is still comfortably super human.

Yea dident she like ripp a big robot apart in new avengers. And jump like 50 feet?

Originally posted by Q99
I don't know the last one, but team 2. They're overall more skilled, they have the Canary Cry, they have Judomaster's aversion field which is hard for anyone to deal with...

She doesn't have an aversion field. It was made clear in JSA All-Stars.

And Kunoichi one has enhanced stats throughout, so she can keep Widow or Mockingbird, perhaps even beat them.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
And Kunoichi one has enhanced stats throughout, so she can keep Widow or Mockingbird, perhaps even beat them.

That's a stretch. We never really got the chance to see her do anything other than lose to a weakened Titus.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She doesn't have an aversion field. It was made clear in JSA All-Stars.

Keep in mind, that was just her saying "I don't think it's some kind of aversion field, I just won't be hit," to herself.

She still can't be hit by aimed attacks, All-Stars didn't change that. It's just easier to say aversion field than 'unnamed anti-hit thing that works like an aversion field'.

Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind, that was just her saying "I don't think it's some kind of aversion field, I just won't be hit," to herself.

She still can't be hit by aimed attacks, All-Stars didn't change that. It's just easier to say aversion field than 'unnamed anti-hit thing that works like an aversion field'.

No, she didn't say, "think", she knew right off the bat and even said those scientists her father hires were dead wrong. But you can say it's an aversion field, I don't care, just wanted to clear some things up.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's a stretch. We never really got the chance to see her do anything other than lose to a weakened Titus.

She's strong enough to destroy metal with her bare hands and she was weakened as well through that radiation. And losing to a Cyber Ninja isn't bad seeing as he was fast enough to break the sound barrier.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She's strong enough to destroy metal with her bare hands and she was weakened as well through that radiation. And losing to a Cyber Ninja isn't bad seeing as he was fast enough to break the sound barrier.

She left a hand print on some concrete.

Lady Blackhawk was engaged in melee with him and locking swords, so it seems unlikely the sound barrier quip was meant to be taken literally. I'm pretty sure "he will no longer be able break the sound barrier" was a turn of phrase simply implying that he was fast and without his power source his maneuverability / speed in has armor will be extremely limited.

Nothing she did on panel is enough to say she could hold her own or beat any other character in this thread.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, she didn't say, "think", she knew right off the bat and even said those scientists her father hires were dead wrong. But you can say it's an aversion field, I don't care, just wanted to clear some things up.

It was a pretty stupid comment. What she described is an aversion field...

It's like Superman saying "I can't fly... I can just deny gravity and maneuver freely through the air." So in other words flight.

I don't know that I'd agree that Marvel is more skilled overall, but I'm not familiar enough with some of the lesser known characters in this thread to say for sure. I do think DC's powers are pretty big advantages and they're not completely without gear either- Batwoman specifically should have some gadgets to bring to the table.

I'm a little impressed that this thread hasn't already devolved into debating whether Cassandra Cain is overrated or not.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, she didn't say, "think", she knew right off the bat and even said those scientists her father hires were dead wrong. But you can say it's an aversion field, I don't care, just wanted to clear some things up.


Like srank says, it still acts like an aversion field.


So for practical purposes, saying 'she doesn't have an aversion field' is likely to mislead people.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It was a pretty stupid comment. What she described is an aversion field...

It's like Superman saying "I can't fly... I can just deny gravity and maneuver freely through the air." So in other words flight.

The point is it's not some type of force field or anything. It's her own will power that allows her to do it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She left a hand print on some concrete.

Lady Blackhawk was engaged in melee with him and locking swords, so it seems unlikely the sound barrier quip was meant to be taken literally. I'm pretty sure "he will no longer be able break the sound barrier" was a turn of phrase simply implying that he was fast and without his power source his maneuverability / speed in has armor will be extremely limited.

Nothing she did on panel is enough to say she could hold her own or beat any other character in this thread.

That's not the example I was talking about. It was her or someone states she can destroy metal with her upgrades. And his burst speed was breaking the sound barrier. He was pretty formidable, no doubt.

All I know about this White Tiger, is she got punked good by Black Tarantula..

But he punked out Spidey.

Is she up there with high end streets like Daredevil? Any impressive feats?

White tiger to my knowledge is not all that formidable. She also got beat by the weak Black Tarantula, not the monster that Spiderman faced. I dont understand what happen but his powers and abilities were decreased and changed.

White Tiger's only got slightly amped stats, no surprise she lost to BT.

Originally posted by Q99
White Tiger's only got slightly amped stats, no surprise she lost to BT.

Who has she beaten, though? Any names?

And Dum Dum's right, BT seemed different from Spidey BT. Same costume, but his character was different, and he didn't display anywhere near the brickiness or Spidey level stats he did against Spidey..

Granted, he also didn't do too much fighting against the names. He DID knock out Danny, but as part of a group and while he was also fighting off Hand ninja, and I think White Tiger...

Gladiator/Melvin Potter, the Daredevil foe.