Synnar (Demiurgos) Vs Sise-Neg

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Prep-Man
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/436665-synnar1_large.jpg

vs

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/68591/2016005-sise_neg_large.jpg

Gecko4lif
Synnar stomps a hole in sis's ass

Prep-Man
This is most powerful, Sis.

dynamix
this is a good match. i'm going with Synnar.

Jynocidus
I'd go with Sise.

Prep-Man
It would be interesting. One multiverse creator vs the other.

CortSether
I don't even need to state who wins. It should be obvious.

Prep-Man
For realz?

CortSether
Originally posted by Prep-Man
For realz?

No, for fake.

Prep-Man
Thought so. smile

guy222
Genesis FTW

Cogito
I have only heard about Synnar the Demiurge (issue #s?), but from what I understand, he roflstomps.

abhilegend
Synnar ftw.

CortSether
Moar liek Full Power Sise-Neg aka Genesis takes this.

guy222
Originally posted by Cogito
I have only heard about Synnar the Demiurge (issue #s?), but from what I understand, he roflstomps.

oh yeah

how does he win

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
I have only heard about Synnar the Demiurge (issue #s?), but from what I understand, he roflstomps. Synnar:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374505_synnar1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374507_synnar2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374511_synnar3.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374514_synnar4.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374517_synnar5.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374519_synnar6.jpg

Jynocidus
^ Sise wanted that to happen, he saw it when he became a god and had all extent powers in his posession

CortSether

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Galan007
Synnar:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374505_synnar1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374507_synnar2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374511_synnar3.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374514_synnar4.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374517_synnar5.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11374519_synnar6.jpg

thumb up thanks for the scans. I'd go with Synnar myself.

Sr J-Bieb
Synnar based on feats and hype

Siseneg was a way better character

Golgo13
bump! for Operator.

operator616
Sise-Neg is universal, Synnar is multiversal.

Synnar stomps.

Mr Master

CortSether
...

CortSether
Originally posted by Golgo13
bump! for Operator.

Yeah, I get a kick out of reading his nonsense too.

Originally posted by operator616
Sise-Neg is universal, Synnar is multiversal.

Synnar stomps.

And 2+2=5

Originally posted by Mr Master
thumb up ... Genesis, was "God" when he reached his pinnacle.

He re-created all of Marvel from the pre-Big Bang point.

thumb up

Golgo13
Originally posted by Mr Master
thumb up ... Genesis, was "God" when he reached his pinnacle.

He re-created all of Marvel from the pre-Big Bang point.

So, who do you think wins?

operator616
Originally posted by CortSether
Yeah, I get a kick out of reading his nonsense too.

And 2+2=5

You seem mad.

Is that because you can't find any proof whatsoever that Sise-Neg recreated anything more than a universe, no matter how hard you try? ...that's gotta hurt.

I think you should go try Board Walker's enlightenment to decrease your hatred toward anyone who doesn't wank the shit out of your beloved Sise-Neg and Shuma.

CortSether
Originally posted by operator616
You seem mad.

Is that because you can't find any proof whatsoever that Sise-Neg recreated anything more than a universe, no matter how hard you try? ...that's gotta hurt.

I think you should go try Board Walker's enlightenment to decrease your hatred toward anyone who doesn't wank the shit out of your beloved Sise-Neg and Shuma.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac186/Sise-Neg/iwkoqt_zpsgjwgz12g.gif

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
You seem mad.

Is that because you can't find any proof whatsoever that Sise-Neg recreated anything more than a universe, no matter how hard you try? ...that's gotta hurt.

I think you should go try Board Walker's enlightenment to decrease your hatred toward anyone who doesn't wank the shit out of your beloved Sise-Neg and Shuma.

So, ALL of Marvel just means main 616 universe?

operator616
Originally posted by Golgo13
So, ALL of Marvel just means main 616 universe?

Sise-Neg never recreated all of marvel because even in the 70s Marvel was a multiverse. On-panel and in all the handbooks it's outright stated that Sise-Neg re-created a single universe.

The opposing arguments say that Sise-Neg re-created all universes based on him re-creating all eras/time-periods from the beginning of the big bang because in some instances past/future time-periods are regarded as actual alternate realities. While failing to take into consideration that past/future periods in other times are...just that: past/future time period of the 616-reality. And considering that the story itself never mentioned anything about different time period equating actually alternate realities id think it's safe to say that he just re-created a single universe (mind you, that's on top of on panel and bio supporting it). Hell, the whole concept of "past/future periods = alternate realities" weren't even that popular back in the mid-70s.

But whatever it takes to hype the shit out of Sise-Neg, i guess.

I mean, it's on panel, it's in the handbooks, and the story itself doesn't support this "theory"...at all.

Read this thread (which you created btw) and see for yourself:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t586243.html

Marvel_Mystic
Operator sounds like a bitter DC fanboy. In most of his posts he hypes DC characters and downplays Marvel character feats.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Operator sounds like a bitter DC fanboy. In most of his posts he hypes DC characters and downplays Marvel character feats.

He comes through with evidence, though.

operator616
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Operator sounds like a bitter DC fanboy. In most of his posts he hypes DC characters and downplays Marvel character feats.

Something tells me that Cortsether and Marvel_Mystic appearing at the same time, being fans of the same characters, and their hatred toward me isn't a coincidence.

But maybe that's just me, right?

I would like you try to challenge me in a debate and see who has the evidence on his side. Otherwise, you can shut up.

Marvel_Mystic
Originally posted by Golgo13
He comes through with evidence, though.

And ignores others. People can argue all they want about whether or not Sise-Neg at the end recreated one universe of many or all of Marvel when he recreated the very first creation, but in the story we clearly see that all space and time were held by Sise-Neg (space/time = Eternity/Infinity established as multiversal in nature) as well as all extant (existing) power within him. We previously see that he was absorbing from voids/universes outside the one he was in (Strange and Mordo recognize this when they are getting weaker in some timeless void) as well, so whether or not Sise-Neg decided to recreate one or all universes at the end is irrelevant. He clearly had possession of power beyond universal in scope.

Plus we have one of the authors of the story insisting that in their story, Sise-Neg became the supreme being above everybody else. That means no other Marvel character was more powerful than him, even confirmed multiversal powers. You can't be SUPREME if somebody else is more powerful than you. And because they wanted Sise-Neg to mirror the biblical God at the end, it's safe to say that he was top dog.

CortSether
Originally posted by operator616
Something tells me that Cortsether and Marvel_Mystic appearing at the same time, being fans of the same characters, and their hatred toward me isn't a coincidence.

But maybe that's just me, right?

I would like you try to challenge me in a debate and see who has the evidence on his side. Otherwise, you can shut up.

Goosfraba.

Say it with me now.

Goooosfraaaaba.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
And ignores others. People can argue all they want about whether or not Sise-Neg at the end recreated one universe of many or all of Marvel when he recreated the very first creation, but in the story we clearly see that all space and time were held by Sise-Neg (space/time = Eternity/Infinity established as multiversal in nature) as well as all extant (existing) power within him. We previously see that he was absorbing from voids/universes outside the one he was in (Strange and Mordo recognize this when they are getting weaker in some timeless void) as well, so whether or not Sise-Neg decided to recreate one or all universes at the end is irrelevant. He clearly had possession of power beyond universal in scope.

Plus we have one of the authors of the story insisting that in their story, Sise-Neg became the supreme being above everybody else. That means no other Marvel character was more powerful than him, even confirmed multiversal powers. You can't be SUPREME if somebody else is more powerful than you. And because they wanted Sise-Neg to mirror the biblical God at the end, it's safe to say that he was top dog.

But it's not like he always votes for DC. He votes both ways. He's one of the most unbiased people on this board.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic

He clearly had possession of power beyond universal in scope.

Plus we have one of the authors of the story insisting that in their story,
Sise-Neg became the supreme being above everybody else.

Sise-Neg to mirror the biblical God at the end
thumb up

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/21576244_SiseNeg_God2.jpg

"I am going to become GOD, the One, the All Powerful!


And once I become GOD, the Universe and beyond shall be mine"

operator616
^ Referencing a hyperbole isn't helping any arguments. On-panel facts are all that matters. And Sise-Neg used all his powers to re-create a single universe. Not to mention a bio establishes his universal-level of power and nothing beyond it.

http://i.imgur.com/JTTTii0.jpg?1

Mr Master
^^ ... "on panel facts" are all that matter?

Then why are you using a bio to dismiss my on panel evidence?

btw. On Panel facts tell me Sise-Neg possessed all the power in Marvel.

operator616
I posted the bio because it states the obvious in a direct way. On-panel you're not going to get a direct statement saying that Sise-Neg has the power of a single universe. But the story makes it clear in an indirect way. Sise-Neg's power recreated a single universe in Marvel, and that's all. He possessed the power of all time/space in a single universe.

Your on panel evidence is a mere statement which was never proven to be true (where exactly did Sise-Neg display more than universal power again?)

Mr Master
^^ I disagree. We already got the facts concerning writer intent.

Sise-Neg became ... "GOD!"

According to Englehart in Doc Strange Tales, "GOD," is master of all realities, not just one.

operator616
"God" wasn't a reference to Sise-Neg. It was in an unrelated story, otherwise it would have specified that Sise-Neg is the "God" whom Eternity is talking about. And according to Englehart, Eternity is the embodiment of a single universe, which was pointed out in the very same issue which you're referencing.

And remember, according to you and others arguing here, Sise-Neg had the power of Eternity/Infinity (even though back then, Eternity/Death constituted the universe but that's beside the point), which were confirmed to constitute a single universe under the same writer.

I win.

CortSether
Originally posted by operator616
I win.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma7nc22W0e1rbfjguo1_500.png

Mr Master

BeyonderGod
I need more information of both.......

CortSether

beatboks
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Operator sounds like a bitter DC fanboy. In most of his posts he hypes DC characters and downplays Marvel character feats.
operator has debated for Marvel against DC as often as he has the other way.

Unfortunately fanboys cant understsnd it when a forum member makes pos t s solely depending on the facts Nd not a company bias.

operator616
Originally posted by beatboks
operator has debated for Marvel against DC as often as he has the other way.

Unfortunately fanboys cant understsnd it when a forum member makes pos t s solely depending on the facts Nd not a company bias.

Thanks for the support. smile

But honestly, posters like Marvel Mystic, who randomly show up just to bash, aren't really worth responding to.

It's funny though, previously ive been accused of lowballing DC characters and hyping Marvel's. But you know how it is with fanboys.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Becoming God in comics is hyperbole most of the time. It's laughable to cherry pick when the supreme being of all creation is meant and when not. Villains all the time state that they become god once they get some power.

Here Lex Luthor thinks he is God
http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b015431f9177b970c-800wi

That is not an argument imo.

Sise-Neg was Universal and maybe the "God" of that Universe, that's powerful enough in itself, no need to make it more impressive.

VastoLord1234
Im new to this forum, and i havnt seen any multiversal feats from sis-neg, just hypothesis's based on the interpretation of "god"

Also why is Operator getting bashed on for chosing synaar? how does that make him a DC fanboy? especially when ive seen him debunk DC feats? Accusations dont help a case.

CortSether
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Becoming God in comics is hyperbole most of the time. It's laughable to cherry pick when the supreme being of all creation is meant and when not. Villains all the time state that they become god once they get some power.

Here Lex Luthor thinks he is God
http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b015431f9177b970c-800wi

That is not an argument imo.

Sise-Neg was Universal and maybe the "God" of that Universe, that's powerful enough in itself, no need to make it more impressive.

Except we have it said on panel that Sise-Neg held all existing power and we already saw he absorbed power from beyond a single universe, so we know his statements of becoming all powerful were not just hyperbole. You also have to look at writer intent, which was to make Sise-Neg the supreme being. You can't say it's just hyperbole simply because you don't like the idea of Sise-Neg becoming top dog in Marvel at the end.

BeyonderGod
Syannar was powerful.....

Zack M
Synnar.

abhilegend
Synnar stomps a mudhole in Sissy-neg.

He would stomp a mudhole in LT too.

thumb up

CortSether
Originally posted by abhilegend
Synnar stomps a mudhole in Sissy-neg.

He would stomp a mudhole in LT too.

thumb up

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/68859/4242384-983574-shumagorathvoodoo2_1.jpg

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Becoming God in comics is hyperbole most of the time. It's laughable to cherry pick when the supreme being of all creation is meant and when not. Villains all the time state that they become god once they get some power.

Here Lex Luthor thinks he is God
http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b015431f9177b970c-800wi

That is not an argument imo.

Sise-Neg was Universal and maybe the "God" of that Universe, that's powerful enough in itself, no need to make it more impressive.

Why to minimize. What the absentee professor fails to realize is that it accomplished it's goal, thus proving to be supreme.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet

thus proving to be supreme.
Well that, and the fact that Sise-Neg performed feats which were clearly beyond the scope of a "universal" power.

Oh, and the other the fact,

the phuckin WriterS themselves pointed out that Sise-Neg had become actually ... "The God." (proven in my post up top)

It always makes me chuckle when cats post empty opinions without ever reading the story, ... not you Blue.

abhilegend
Originally posted by CortSether
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/68859/4242384-983574-shumagorathvoodoo2_1.jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/247744/247744,1317187467,1/stock-vector-idiot-85516648.jpg Originally posted by Mr Master
Well that, and the fact that Sise-Neg performed feats which were clearly beyond the scope of a "universal" power.

Oh, and the other the fact,

the phuckin WriterS themselves pointed out that Sise-Neg had become actually ... "The God." (proven in my post up top)

It always makes me chuckle when cats post empty opinions without ever reading the story, ... not you Blue.
Yeah, right.

Synnar ****ing stomps. Keep your opinion to yourself.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

Synnar ****ing stomps.
yawn
Originally posted by abhilegend

Keep your opinion to yourself.
....

... uhh, yea, I will try and keep the statements of the WRITER of the comic, to my self. facepalm

What you need to do is email MR Brunner and complain about the story he co-wrote.

How you disagree with HIS definition of HIS creation. dur

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
yawn

....

... uhh, yea, I will try and keep the statements of the WRITER of the comic, to my self. facepalm

What you need to do is email MR Brunner and complain about the story he co-wrote.

How you disagree with HIS definition of HIS creation. dur
Of course I do.

When his opinion actually is in a comic, let me know.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

Of course I do.

When his opinion actually is in a comic, let me know.
durznuts

Oh, it's You, ... almost got me with the bait ... lol, nice try.

Nevermind, just troll on!

Mr Master

abhilegend

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, they were trying to paint him as God but got vetoed by the editorial.
"vetoed?" ... laughing ... damn, I know yur thing is to troll, but come on.
Originally posted by abhilegend


Ergo, he wasn't God and never appeared so despite writer intention.
facepalm ...

So the Writer of the story is wrong about his own story/creation. laughing out loud

... Troll on, and stop wasting my time.

Sise-Neg became Genesis, and Genesis was ... THE GOD!

Again, this makes you uncomfortable, email Mr Brunner, and cry him a letter.

abhilegend
Damn, it is rocket science for you.

My condolences.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Synnar based on feats and hype

Siseneg was a way better character

??? Who's pulled off a better feat in the history of comics? Maybe Thanos in The End.

Zack M
Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn, it is rocket science for you.

My condolences.

thumb up laughing out loud

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Mr Master
durznuts

Oh, it's You, ... almost got me with the bait ... lol, nice try.

Nevermind, just troll on!

Welcome back. laughing

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, they were trying to paint him as God but got vetoed by the editorial.

Ergo, he wasn't God and never appeared so despite writer intention.

Not rocket science to understand.

srsly

What do you mean "vetoed?" That's a legal term. The writer made him God. Bad choice, be that's what he did in the comic. Do you have a rebuttal that involves a scan or is this simple trolling.

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