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Abhilegend's laptop broke so it'd be another 2 week delay and I need to debate these things with the passion at a high. 2 or 3 weeks from now I might not feel like pouring in the sheer energy and time it takes to do a batlezone. He's fine with me asking someone else as I would like to have this next week. I'd represent Earth 22/King Come Superman vs. Doomsday. Will anyone answer the challenge ?

Which version of Doomsday?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Which version of Doomsday? Which version woul dyou be interested in debating for ?


Also, juntai this is a perfect opportunity to show your superior debating skills against me. Come and get me--Thanos.

I would love to see Juntai take this on.

Juntai isn't going to show up to do a battezone. You might as well get that out of your head.

Originally posted by Cogito
I would love to see Juntai take this on. It would be a one-sided slaughter. For whoever Jun decides to support.

Originally posted by Cogito
I would love to see Juntai take this on. As would I. I am chomping at the bit. Literally salivating. Let's hope he accepts.Originally posted by Uriel005
It would be a one-sided slaughter. For whoever Jun decides to support. I heard the same nonsense with regards to Id in our King Thor vs. Mordru battlezone. Talk is cheap. This shall be settled in the arena if Jun has the stones.

Originally posted by Uriel005
It would be a one-sided slaughter. For whoever Jun decides to support.

Frankly, Earth-22 Superman does not have enough feats to argue for.

Any argument would likely be based around his superiority to New Earth Superman, and the degree to which that is true is highly uncertain.

Originally posted by Cogito
Frankly, Earth-22 Superman does not have enough feats to argue for.

Any argument would likely be based around his superiority to New Earth Superman, and the degree to which that is true is highly uncertain. You don't need a lot of feats to prove anything. That's what most on here don't get.

Say what you will about Quan. At least he's willing to back up his stance, rightly or wrongly, in a BZ. *shrug*

Forum needs more Battlezone challenges, imo. Or people should just join my BZ Challenge, whatevs. biscuits

Sadly this might not happen. I pmed juntai but don't know if he's been online yet. If he's posted already chances are he's going to ignore the challenge but if he hasn't been online yet there's still hope he accepts.

Originally posted by carver9
We as in us. Im ready to do this. I have my Hulk scans ready.
Carver let's do this. You repping WW Hulk vs. Earth 22 Superman. If you're ready come at me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Carver let's do this. You repping WW Hulk vs. Earth 22 Superman. If you're ready come at me.

WTF...you got that from another thread.

Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF...you got that from another thread. I know. Since we both know no one else is going to come forward and that you finally have your Hulk scans. Let's do this. Earth 22 vs. World War Hulk. This would tear the board in half.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know. Since we both know no one else is going to come forward and that you finally have your Hulk scans. Let's do this. Earth 22 vs. World War Hulk. This would tear the board in half.

Lol...I believe it would wreck KMC but for one, Earth 22 Superman doesn't have the fts to compete with Hulk. Second, I thought you were doing a battlezone against I'D? What happened with that?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I believe it would wreck KMC but for one, Earth 22 Superman doesn't have the fts to compete with Hulk. Second, I thought you were doing a battlezone against I'D? What happened with that? My battlezone with Id ended weeks ago. I'd like to do an Earth 22 Superman vs. just the WW Hulk arc. I'd be limited to two storylines while you'd be limited to the WW Hulk and Planet Hulk arcs. How about it ?

Wasn't H/P Doomsday RIDICULOUSLY powerful? Man I wish someone knowledgeable in DC lore would BZ KC Superman vs H/P Doomsday. IMHO H/P Doomsday would r@pe KC Superman.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wasn't H/P Doomsday RIDICULOUSLY powerful? Man I wish someone knowledgeable in DC lore would BZ KC Superman vs H/P Doomsday. IMHO H/P Doomsday would r@pe KC Superman. It's just a three issue arc. Most would think HP Doomsday would take it to earth 22 Superman but he'd beat Doomsday. A far more powerful Superman who'd push his shit in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just a three issue arc. Most would think HP Doomsday would take it to earth 22 Superman but he'd beat Doomsday. A far more powerful Superman who'd push his shit in.
I just wish my laptop wasn't broken at this time. I would've shown you who would push whose shit in.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I just wish my laptop wasn't broken at this time. I would've shown you who would push whose shit in. Next time don't break your laptop to avoid me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just a three issue arc. Most would think HP Doomsday would take it to earth 22 Superman but he'd beat Doomsday. A far more powerful Superman who'd push his shit in.

Just read through your battlezone with ID...good job buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
Just read through your battlezone with ID...good job buddy. Are you interested with WW Hulk against Earth 22 Superman ? If you're not that's cool I just need someone for next week or else I don't think I will have the passion for this in the future.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you interested with WW Hulk against Earth 22 Superman ? If you're not that's cool I just need someone for next week or else I don't think I will have the passion for this in the future.

I don't have everything for WWH, that's why I didn't accept your first challenge. I have Savage Hulk scans and I only have part of that. Look at my post in the character ownage thread, I'm missing pieces.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't have everything for WWH, that's why I didn't accept your first challenge. I have Savage Hulk scans and I only have part of that. Look at my post in the character ownage thread, I'm missing pieces. If I supply you with the entire WW Hulk arc would you accept ?

Honestly, I think New Earth Superman would beat H/P Doomsday. He's battled more formidable beings than him and won. shrug

Doomsday's mental/psychological edge over Superman isn't the same as it once was, which was a critical factor in why Doomsday was so dominant over him, imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If I supply you with the entire WW Hulk arc would you accept ?

How long does a battlezone last?

Originally posted by carver9
How long does a battlezone last? You and I decide how long it lasts. I typically would like it to last around 1-2weeks. If you are interested what time frame would you prefer ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You and I decide how long it lasts. I typically would like it to last around 1-2weeks. If you are interested what time frame would you prefer ?

I would prefer 2 weeks. I will let you know tomorrow what my answer is.

Originally posted by carver9
I would prefer 2 weeks. I will let you know tomorrow what my answer is. That's fine. Remember it would be World War Hulk and Planet Hulk vs. Kingdom Come and the Jsa arc. Two arcs only. Hulk has plenty more feats than Earth 22 Superman does comparing both of the arcs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Next time don't break your laptop to avoid me.

You wish quan.

Earth 22 Superman vs Supernova (garthan Saal)

Originally posted by dmills
Earth 22 Superman vs Supernova (garthan Saal) Not familiar with this character at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not familiar with this character at all.

Crazy 30ft tall Nova centurion guy? Laughed while Thor, Wonder man, Gilgamish, pineapple Thing, classic Quasar, Firelord, the FF etc attacked him? Reed had to resort to bfring him into the timestream etc. You never heard of Supernova?

Originally posted by dmills
Crazy 30ft tall Nova centurion guy? Laughed while Thor, Wonder man, Gilgamish, pineapple Thing, classic Quasar, Firelord, the FF etc attacked him? Reed had to resort to bfring him into the timestream etc. Was he just in a few arcs ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Was he just in a few arcs ?

Yeah unfortunately. Two appearances total.

And I'm just phucking with you anyway Quan. I'd never bz unless someone pissed me off enough lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah unfortunately. Two appearances total.

And I'm just phucking with you anyway Quan. I'd never bz unless someone pissed me off enough lol. I was in the midst of locating the comics. Good the matchup really didn't interest me at all. I really want Doomsday but am willing to settle for Hulk instead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was in the midst of locating the comics. Good the matchup really didn't interest me at all. I really want Doomsday but am willing to settle for Hulk instead.

Originally posted by dmills
I'd never bz unless someone pissed me off enough lol.

Even though one could finally prove to people that Nova is as good as you claim?

Originally posted by jalek moye
Even though one could finally prove to people that Nova is as good as you claim?

I don't know man. I don't think that there's much that I could post in a battlezone that I haven't posted before regarding Nova save for a few things that I've been saving for an opportune moment. At this point either you respect him or you don't you know?

Carver, I await your decision. I just acquired WW Hulk again on my pc.

If anyone has any other ideas for battlezones I am open to the idea of other characters. Throw some ideas at me.

Why isnt anyone accepting the Doomsday battlezone when numerous of people claim that he is so powerful.? If this is true, prove it.

The comic forums are dying down these days, carv. Very few people (myself included) are willing to devote the time necessary for a BZ.

Originally posted by Galan007
The comic forums are dying down these days, carv. Very few people (myself included) are willing to devote the time necessary for a BZ.

I notice that. With people leaving like this, I'm losing interest as well and made other accts in other places (comicvine, etc). The places I am going doesn't have many people there as well. I guess people are losing interest in comics. Soon if things doesn't change, people might get their wish and Carver9 will head out as well.

Your skills are missed though Galan...you need to start posting more, a lot of people here respect your opinion and talent.

If I had more knowledge DC side, I would have done it. I mean I can't believe we don't have a DC fan that will take up the challenge. For God's sake people we have a very nice Doomsday Respect Thread that you can farm for scans.

I'd do it but I don't know the context and story behind the scans.

I'm interesting in getting into more serious debates and stuff, but don't know anything about doomsday so no help here. Now make it more around the low meta level and my knowledge of various characters goes up.

Originally posted by zopzop
If I had more knowledge DC side, I would have done it. I mean I can't believe we don't have a DC fan that will take up the challenge. For God's sake people we have a very nice Doomsday Respect Thread that you can farm for scans.

I'd do it but I don't know the context and story behind the scans. Would you be interested in representing World war Hulk against Earth 22 Superman ?Originally posted by jalek moye
I'm interesting in getting into more serious debates and stuff, but don't know anything about doomsday so no help here. Now make it more around the low meta level and my knowledge of various characters goes up. My interest goes down around low metal level.

I'm noticing just an overall thing of people not posting scans anymore. Also, a lot of us post from smartphones instead of a computer or whatever.

Personally I'd much rather just discuss comics in general and bs around in the new jack hustle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Would you be interested in representing World war Hulk against Earth 22 Superman ?
Why? I can't stand Hulk

Originally posted by zopzop
Why? I can't stand Hulk Ok, what if I repped WW Hulk against someone you'd select.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, what if I repped WW Hulk against someone you'd select.

Like who though?

Originally posted by zopzop
Like who though? Throw some names out there of guys you'd be comfortable with and I will let you know if it interests me.

Originally posted by dmills
I'm noticing just an overall thing of people not posting scans anymore. Also, a lot of us post from smartphones instead of a computer or whatever.

Personally I'd much rather just discuss comics in general and bs around in the new jack hustle.

Why don't you post that much anymore dmills?

Originally posted by carver9
Why don't you post that much anymore dmills?

Two of my favorites, Iron Fist and Nova are well respected in the forum now. Mission accomplished

Also, since Marvel canceled most of the cosmic books I don't read much of their other stuff outside of a few random issues. I tried to get into the new 52, but have lost interest as the titles I liked are being canceled. Stormwatch is cool though.

Originally posted by dmills
Two of my favorites, Iron Fist and Nova are well respected in the forum now. Mission accomplished

Lol...I agree but threads are still being made involving the characters. It would be nice seeing some dmills talent every now and then. I rarely if ever see you online anymore.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I agree but threads are still being made involving the characters. It would be nice seeing some dmills talent every now and then. I rarely if ever see you online anymore.

The threads tend to be very repetitive imo. I've been active in the Nova vs Doom thread though.

Originally posted by dmills
The threads tend to be very repetitive imo. I've been active in the Nova vs Doom thread though.

Not enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough.

Hey man I was trolling you with gifs all last week lol. That's enough!

Originally posted by dmills
Hey man I was trolling you with gifs all last week lol. That's enough!

Lol...I noticed that. You were driving me insane but the smileys were HILARIOUS.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I noticed that. You were driving me insane but the smileys were HILARIOUS.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/overshoot.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112
Throw some names out there of guys you'd be comfortable with and I will let you know if it interests me.

Well the person would have to be lower than skyfather but higher than high herald. A team buster type like Super Nova, Terminus/Ulterminus, Necrom, Mangog, etc...

Originally posted by dmills
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/overshoot.gif

Originally posted by carver9


http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/tumblr_lxpv2eqWEi1rn6d6eo1_500.gif

Originally posted by zopzop
Well the person would have to be lower than skyfather but higher than high herald. A team buster type like Super Nova, Terminus/Ulterminus, Necrom, Mangog, etc... The only one I am familiar with is Mangog. Would you pit Mangog against earth 22 Superman ?

Quan, when you say WWH, are you just using WWH from the arc or does this include WBH fts as well?

Originally posted by carver9
Quan, when you say WWH, are you just using WWH from the arc or does this include WBH fts as well? Just the WW Hulk feats no WB Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just the WW Hulk feats no WB Hulk.

Ok, but you do know WWH appeared after the World at War arc right?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, but you do know WWH appeared after the World at War arc right? Which issues did he appear iyo ? I just wanted the WW Hulk arc and the Planet Hulk arc so you'd have all the scans versus my kingdom come and jsa arcs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which issues did he appear iyo ? I just wanted the WW Hulk arc and the Planet Hulk arc so you'd have all the scans versus my kingdom come and jsa arcs.

Proof that what I state is true. Read his words and read what Reed and the team states.

http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html?o=77

Almost everything after the WWH arc that included Banner intellect is him, even some parts during the Dark Dimension is WWH.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhilegend's laptop broke so it'd be another 2 week delay and I need to debate these things with the passion at a high. 2 or 3 weeks from now I might not feel like pouring in the sheer energy and time it takes to do a batlezone. He's fine with me asking someone else as I would like to have this next week. I'd represent Earth 22/King Come Superman vs. Doomsday. Will anyone answer the challenge ?

Would you go with Genis ?

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Would you go with Genis ?

Don't do that to him Don

Originally posted by carver9
Proof that what I state is true. Read his words and read what Reed and the team states.

http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html?o=77

Almost everything after the WWH arc that included Banner intellect is him, even some parts during the Dark Dimension is WWH. I am only including the WW Hulk arc as him though. I am not arguing on his version just from this arc.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Would you go with Genis ? Too many comics to have to bring myself up to. I do think Genis is overrated though. I can't remember but how did he fare against the Maestro ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am only including the WW Hulk arc as him though. I am not arguing on his version just from this arc.

Too many comics to have to bring myself up to. I do think Genis is overrated though. I can't remember but how did he fare against the Maestro ?

Why when you'll have a lot more fts to access involving the character.

He was losing against Merged Hulk but some people say he wasn't experienced with his powers during that fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Why when you'll have a lot more fts to access involving the character.

He was losing against Merged Hulk but some people say he wasn't experienced with his powers during that fight. Hulk has a lot more feats than Earth 22 Superman comparing these arcs.

Genis like many energy manipulators don't seem as badass when they run into some badass bricks. It's just the way it is in comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am only including the WW Hulk arc as him though. I am not arguing on his version just from this arc.

Too many comics to have to bring myself up to. I do think Genis is overrated though. I can't remember but how did he fare against the Maestro ?

Pretty good, but that was before his power up. I'll be debating his most powerful incarnation off course. Let me know, I'm just a pm away.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Pretty good, but that was before his power up. I'll be debating his most powerful incarnation off course. Let me know, I'm just a pm away. Well, I remember insane genis exchanging rounds with King Thor so his most powerful seems pretty high end. Are there any other characters you'd be interested in ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has a lot more feats than Earth 22 Superman comparing these arcs.

Genis like many energy manipulators don't seem as badass when they run into some badass bricks. It's just the way it is in comics.

Aaahhhh, so you are trying to be fair? Doesn't sound Quan like.

double post.

Originally posted by carver9
Aaahhhh, so you are trying to be fair? Doesn't sound Quan like. In a battlezone I want things evened out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In a battlezone I want things evened out.

So are you going to do Hulk vs Genis? Or Superman vs Genis?

Originally posted by carver9
So are you going to do Hulk vs Genis? Or Superman vs Genis? Not the most powerful version no. He seems on another level. If the guy can weather a King Thor hammer toss he's on another level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, I remember insane genis exchanging rounds with King Thor so his most powerful seems pretty high end. Are there any other characters you'd be interested in ?

Yeah insane was not the most powerful version of Genis. And at the moment this is the character I want to battle with. If you decide you know what's up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the most powerful version no. He seems on another level. If the guy can weather a King Thor hammer toss he's on another level.

Lol...huh? That doesn't put him on another level but whatever.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Yeah insane was not the most powerful version of Genis. And at the moment this is the character I want to battle with. If you decide you know what's up. He seems too high end for WW Hulk or Earth 22 Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...huh? That doesn't put him on another level but whatever.

If you take up the challenge , I can provide you with any scan you need. And I mean ANY.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
If you take up the challenge , I can provide you with any scan you need. And I mean ANY.

Trust me...I already know that you are well versed with the character. I just don't think I would do as good as you would because you are more familiar with Genis than I am. If you can, can you send me the King Thor and Genis fight...I would like to see it. I seen parts of the fight but not all of it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...huh? That doesn't put him on another level but whatever. King Thor would rape Earth 22 Superman and WW Hulk in the same time while he pleasured his wife. Trust me elite top tiers can't stand up to the odinpower.

Originally posted by carver9
Trust me...I already know that you are well versed with the character. I just don't think I would do as good as you would because you are more familiar with Genis than I am. If you can, can you send me the King Thor and Genis fight...I would like to see it. I seen parts of the fight but not all of it. It was brief I posted it in my battlezone against Id.

Originally posted by quanchi112
King Thor would rape Earth 22 Superman and WW Hulk in the same time while he pleasured his wife. Trust me elite top tiers can't stand up to the odinpower.

WWH isn't an elite top tier though...he is above it. I agree though, KT would beat both but using that as something to prove that someone is above the other is, well, terrible logic.

Originally posted by carver9
Trust me...I already know that you are well versed with the character. I just don't think I would do as good as you would because you are more familiar with Genis than I am. If you can, can you send me the King Thor and Genis fight...I would like to see it. I seen parts of the fight but not all of it.

I'll send it to you tomorrow some time. And I meant whatever character you pick to battle( not Genis) .

Originally posted by Don Corleone
I'll send it to you tomorrow some time. And I meant whatever character you pick to battle( not Genis) .

Dang, you got scans like that. What if I chose Savage Hulk? Would you be able to provide me with his fts?

Originally posted by carver9
Dang, you got scans like that. What if I chose Savage Hulk? Would you be able to provide me with his fts?

Savage Hulk ? Too easy .

Originally posted by carver9
WWH isn't an elite top tier though...he is above it. I agree though, KT would beat both but using that as something to prove that someone is above the other is, well, terrible logic. WW Hulk was still an elite top tier. The only time Hulk went above this level was HOTM or at the end of the arc but he really didn't fight anyone to prove it at the time.

It's sound logic. Genis came into asgard talking sh-t. The guy is powerful and held his own against King Thor while showing he'd ***** out any other asgardian save King Thor who stepped into his path. He oneshotted Storm Giants iirc for fun. Insane genis isn't one to be f-c-ed with.

Earth 22 Superman and World war Hulk are elite top tiers.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Savage Hulk ? Too easy .

Lol...we are going to test this. I will send you something tomorrow (a PM)...let me know if you have it or not.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...we are going to test this. I will send you something tomorrow (a PM)...let me know if you have it or not.

No prob...And I have everything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk was still an elite top tier. The only time Hulk went above this level was HOTM or at the end of the arc but he really didn't fight anyone to prove it at the time.

It's sound logic. Genis came into asgard talking sh-t. The guy is powerful and held his own against King Thor while showing he'd ***** out any other asgardian save King Thor who stepped into his path. He oneshotted Storm Giants iirc for fun. Insane genis isn't one to be f-c-ed with.

Earth 22 Superman and World war Hulk are elite top tiers.

I think me and your definition of elite top tier is different. You brought up a hammer toss, I said that doesn't prove anything. I agree with you, the Genis that fought KT IS above WWH and Earth 22 Superman but the way you debated it was just wrong.

I don't consider WWH an elite top tier.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
No prob...And I have everything.

But how though? Do you have a site that you go to?

Originally posted by carver9
But how though? Do you have a site that you go to?

Never ask such questions of a Don son lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Never ask such questions of a Don son lol.

Lol...I need to know this answer though. He needs to share the wealth.

I guess my question made him get offline.

Originally posted by carver9
I think me and your definition of elite top tier is different. You brought up a hammer toss, I said that doesn't prove anything. I agree with you, the Genis that fought KT IS above WWH and Earth 22 Superman but the way you debated it was just wrong.

I don't consider WWH an elite top tier. I am saying basing it off that confrontation I don't see any elite top tier able to stand before King Thor in that fashion. That's sound logic.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess my question made him get offline.

You'd better lock your doors and sleep lite tonight sneer

Originally posted by carver9
But how though? Do you have a site that you go to? He probably has the entire Hulk run on a hard drive or a disk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying basing it off that confrontation I don't see any elite top tier able to stand before King Thor in that fashion. That's sound logic.

I agree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He probably has the entire Hulk run on a hard drive or a disk.

No, he said that he has access to "any" comic that I ask for. Sounds impossible but if its true, i would like this site so I can have the same thing.

Yeah. Most serious debator's have their stuff on standby ready to go.

I for one have all of Nova's relevant feats etc on a Photobucket account divided into categories. Durability, Speed, blasting etc and I can access them from an app on my phone if need be.

Don and co probably have access to a comic shop worth of stuff lol. Like guy.

Originally posted by carver9
No, he said that he has access to "any" comic that I ask for. Sounds impossible but if its true, i would like this site so I can have the same thing. I thought that was in reference to savage hulk feats.

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah. Most serious debator's have their stuff on standby ready to go.

I for one have all of Nova's relevant feats etc on a Photobucket account divided into categories. Durability, Speed, blasting etc and I can access them from an app on my phone if need be.

But any comic...Naah. Don seems cool though, so I believe him.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
No prob...And I have everything.

You see...everything and he said before this he have any character I want to use. Like I've said, I believe him...he's a good debator. I just want that site he is using.

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah. Most serious debator's have their stuff on standby ready to go.

I for one have all of Nova's relevant feats etc on a Photobucket account divided into categories. Durability, Speed, blasting etc and I can access them from an app on my phone if need be.

Don and co probably have access to a comic shop worth of stuff lol. Like guy.
I have just stuffed my photobucket account with scans. Its a little difficult to find some scans sometimes lol.

Originally posted by carver9
You see...everything and he said before this he have any character I want to use. Like I've said, I believe him...he's a good debator. I just want that site he is using. I'm curious to see him in a battlezone myself. He always stays in the shadows.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm curious to see him in a battlezone myself. He always stays in the shadows.

I want to see him in action as well. If he have all the material he states he has, you could possibly lose Quan.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to see him in action as well. If he have all the material he states he has, you could possibly lose Quan. I already said I am not taking on the most powerful version of Genis with either Superman from earth 22 or World War Hulk.

Carver, have you reached a decision ?