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A: As Black Lantern
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/prepman005/zoom.jpg
B. Flashpoint Zoom
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65157/1940304-fp5profzoom_large.jpg

vs

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/629939-r2_large.jpg

Any incarnation of Zoom trounces Runner.

What is this, a race or a straight up fight to the death?

In a race, I'll give it to Zoom (Runner was beaten by Makkari and would have been beaten by Buried Alien aka Flash).

In a straight up fight?
a) He's not killing BL Zoom. But I don't think BL Zoom could kill Runner either. Not enough raw power.

b) How powerful is Flashpoint Zoom? Is he at least high herald? He'll have to be because Runner (no Gem) WALKED all over Surfer and laughed while doing it. Unless Flashpoint Zoom is at least Trans Tier, he's going down, hard.

He was controling time and moving through time. He's definitely high herald. Trans more like it.

Originally posted by zopzop
What is this, a race or a straight up fight to the death?

In a race, I'll give it to Zoom (Runner was beaten by Makkari and would have been beaten by Buried Alien aka Flash).

In a straight up fight?
a) He's not killing BL Zoom. But I don't think BL Zoom could kill Runner either. Not enough raw power.

b) How powerful is Flashpoint Zoom? Is he at least high herald? He'll have to be because Runner (no Gem) WALKED all over Surfer and laughed while doing it. Unless Flashpoint Zoom is at least Trans Tier, he's going down, hard.
He can age runner just like thanos did. In Flash:rebirth he alone took on entire flash family and they could only beat him by a plot device.

Runner.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He can age runner just like thanos did. In Flash:rebirth he alone took on entire flash family and they could only beat him by a plot device.

When did Runner get aged?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When did Runner get aged?

Using the TIME Infinity Gem (Thanos Quest) and a lot of PIS. The explanation for what went on was moronic too.

Runner

Originally posted by zopzop
Using the TIME Infinity Gem (Thanos Quest) and a lot of PIS. The explanation for what went on was moronic too.

Well, if he did get deaged, I don't see how Runner can hang with Zoom. Especially since he can control time.

Id probably go Runner in either case, as he was fast enough to out-travel the Silver Surfer (who I believe he beat as well), and has all the massive physical bonuses that begets an Elder of the Universe.

Originally posted by DTM
Id probably go Runner in either case, as he was fast enough to out-travel the Silver Surfer (who I believe he beat as well), and has all the massive physical bonuses that begets an Elder of the Universe.

PZ was fast enough to make Flash and Superman look like fools. And some of the other JLA.

Cool, to me Surfers flights speed is way beyond Supermans and very probably Flashes running speed, and the Runner outran him. Not saying itll be easy, but that, with a much stronger physical form, leads me to believe Runner takes it more than not.

Yeah, but Zoom can do a lot more than run fast. He also has the versatility edge.

For those of you who aren't too familiar with the Runner, not only is he super fast, physically powerful, and immortal, he also has a "likability aura" that would mindfxxk most anyone.

Here he is completely dismantling the Surfer and doing it with a smile on his face :
http://s360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/?action=view&current=runnersurfer2.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer3.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer4.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer5.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
For those of you who aren't too familiar with the Runner, not only is he super fast, physically powerful, and immortal, he also has a "likability aura" that would mindfxxk most anyone.

Here he is completely dismantling the Surfer and doing it with a smile on his face :
http://s360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/?action=view&current=runnersurfer2.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer3.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer4.jpg
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Superman/The%20Runner/runnersurfer5.jpg


Do you think he can mess up PZ time travel?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you think he can mess up PZ time travel?

It's funny with the Elders. ALL of them have access to the Power Primordial (left over energies of the Big Bang). But some of them, like the eternal jobber Champion, SUCK at utilizing it. Others like the Grandmaster are easily Trans level beings (this dude can raise the dead, time travel, insta kill with a gesture, teleport, I think he even created life a few times, etc..).

The Runner hasn't displayed any Time related abilities that I'm aware of (unlike Grandmaster). But he's had so FEW appearances it's hard to say what he can do really.

Well, Zoom has the feats. So, I think it's safe to say he might have an edge. He has a lot of powers and a black lantern ring.

Originally posted by zopzop
Others like the Grandmaster are easily Trans level beings (this dude can raise the dead, time travel, insta kill with a gesture, teleport, I think he even created life a few times, etc..) Those are herald-level feats... And Rulk killed GM.

Just saying.

Thawne owns this match. I dunno about bl though.