Phoenix vs Thor

zopzop

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/AvengersVSXMen_4_Preview1.jpg
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/AvengersVSXMen_4_Preview2.jpg

Hope that's not all we get to see of the fight. I just want Thor to put a good showing, it is the Phoenix after all.

laughing

So much for the Phoenix Force being a "universal" force of anything! That crap wouldn't even work vs Surtur w/Twilight or Zeus, yet it sent the PF running!

FAIL!

carver9

Did the Phoenix force have an entity during that scene? If not, I don't see anything wrong with what happened. The Phoenix is more powerful when someone is actually tapping into its powersource. Also, this is Thor, the King of hurting abstracts...that's no worse than what he did to Galactus.

zopzop

Originally posted by carver9
Did the Phoenix force have an entity during that scene? If not, I don't see anything wrong with what happened. The Phoenix is more powerful when someone is actually tapping into its powersource. Also, this is Thor, the King of hurting abstracts...that's no worse than what he did to Galactus.

Galactus was distracted by being in a psi war with the most powerful Skyfather on Earth. The PF ran from a Mjolnir strike! eek!

guy222

lets see the rest of the book

stick out tongue

CosmicComet

zopzop

Originally posted by CosmicComet
F*ck the World Breaker.

Even if that's obviously not all there is to the story, but f*ck Hulk.

Hulk? What's Hulk have to do with this?

Man I hope GalacticStorm don't see those scans. That poor guy was a PF fan. But I'm guessing Mr. Master is laughing is @$$ off somewhere viewing that. big grin

CosmicComet

Originally posted by zopzop
Hulk? What's Hulk have to do with this?

C'mon now.

carver9

"Id"

Phoenix is a celestial parasitic life form, that descended from the higher dimension. Outside of its realm, it scales depending on much it feeds off unless it taps into psionic realm.

In that sense, its strength is dynamic much like Galactus. So the writers can play around with the character, dial it up when the plot demands it.

In short, dont feel surprise if it ends up feeding of that planet, and returns to land royal wup ass on Thor, and Team.

I have very little faith in this event. This is one of worse ones scripted so far. Up there with Onslaught Arc. Well at least the Onslaught arc had its moment, and better art.

Rage.Of.Olympus

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThrowHurtsSurtur1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsThanos1.jpg

ha-som

Don't sleep on them hammerthrows.

OneDumbG0

Originally posted by "Id"
Phoenix is a celestial parasitic life form, that descended from the higher dimension. Outside of its realm, it scales depending on much it feeds off unless it taps into psionic realm.

In that sense, its strength is dynamic much like Galactus. So the writers can play around with the character, dial it up when the plot demands it.

In short, dont feel surprise if it ends up feeding of that planet, and returns to land royal wup ass on Thor, and Team.

I have very little faith in this event. This is one of worse ones scripted so far. Up there with Onslaught Arc. Well at least the Onslaught arc had its moment, and better art. Am I the only one that isn't quite sure that the Phoenixforce is actually running away? Art looks ambiguous.

Also, the thread op is supposed to be about Rachel Grey.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Am I the only one that isn't quite sure that the Phoenixforce is actually running away? Art looks ambiguous.

Also, the thread op is supposed to be about Rachel Grey.

Same.

I'm not entirely sure what's happening but I doubt the Phoenix Force is running away.

It did look like Mjolnir hurt it though.

Thor is obviously going to lose this fight, the Phoenix Force is going to reach Earth. Although it seems Thor will take on a Phoenix Force host empowered Emma Frost later on in the event. That will be interesting.

carver9

Thor did hurt it...look at the yell expression on its face.

Sr J-Bieb

Ms Marvel looks like she's awake in those scans

guy222

a vs x is meh so far

OneDumbG0

^ Cap downed Cyclops.

Best. Crossover event. Ever.

zopzop

Originally posted by guy222
a vs x is meh so far

Imagine if it winds up going down like this :
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7310/1744978thorvsphoenixsup.th.jpg

Except this time with no apology in the Letters Page smokin'

Sundipped

Originally posted by zopzop
laughing

So much for the Phoenix Force being a "universal" force of anything! That crap wouldn't even work vs Surtur w/Twilight or Zeus, yet it sent the PF running!

FAIL!

Calm down Zop.
Running.......really????
laughing out loud

What's funny is how you jump to conclusions more than anyone else on these boards.

guy222

ur still cool zop

hey sun

lilshogun

But Thanos got Thor back. So much for the hammer.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7690/fight112kj4.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThrowHurtsSurtur1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsThanos1.jpg

ha-som

Don't sleep on them hammerthrows.

Konton

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ms Marvel looks like she's awake in those scans

Or taking a steaming space dump

JakeTheBank

nwg202

wow. juggernaut >then the PF. Marvel, you're simply the best.

carver9

Thor has damaged almost every abstract in MU. The only being that was missing was Phoenix and now it has been added to the list. Thor IS the top Herald and I can't fathom anyone going against this notion. None of them have the consistent showing he have under his belt.

Thor #1 and hush your mouth Jake (that comment is for the future since I think you will probably say something sarcastic).

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by carver9
Thor has damaged almost every abstract in MU. The only being that was missing was Phoenix and now it has been added to the list. Thor IS the top Herald and I can't fathom anyone going against this notion. None of them have the consistent showing he have under his belt.

Thor #1 and hush your mouth Jake (that comment is for the future since I think you will probably say something sarcastic).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FgpshdZIdPQ/TzfQUsWtM6I/AAAAAAAAAuU/rhNfLt9mQ88/s1600/jack-nicholson-nodding.gif

carver9

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FgpshdZIdPQ/TzfQUsWtM6I/AAAAAAAAAuU/rhNfLt9mQ88/s1600/jack-nicholson-nodding.gif

Lol.

OneDumbG0

Based on the hype over a few unworded panels, I completely expect that upon release, those panels will have captions stating, "But while Mjolnir's fabled power would lay low most foes, it does not compare to destruction incarnate. And so the Phoenix ignores Thor. Not because it is threatened, no. But because it is simply disinterested. Tragedy ensues for those who have caught its interest."

Endless Mike

You should write comics

JakeTheBank

You're giving AvX way too much credit. The panels will probably quantify a Mjolnir strike as like a semi-truck going hundreds of miles an hour and that even the Phoenix Force must pause before its unfettered might.

Starscream M

Originally posted by carver9
Thor has damaged almost every abstract in MU. The only being that was missing was Phoenix and now it has been added to the list. Thor IS the top Herald and I can't fathom anyone going against this notion. None of them have the consistent showing he have under his belt.

Thor #1 and hush your mouth Jake (that comment is for the future since I think you will probably say something sarcastic). Hulk shits on Thor

And jugs beats Thor like a drum

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk shits on Thor

And jugs beats Thor like a drum

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OUJxBHMQVQU/T0dpusx0keI/AAAAAAAAAzA/7BSF2qT388w/s1600/colbert-shaking-head.gif

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk shits on Thor

And jugs beats Thor like a drum No, he doesn't. Just because you watched that animated Hulk vs. don't act like that has a thing to do with comics.

carver9

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk shits on Thor

And jugs beats Thor like a drum

I don't think Hulk is Herald level anymore (depending on what Hulk you are talking about).

carver9

I would give Thor advantage over Savage Hulk, Mastero, and if he keeps this up, I would probably give him the advantage over WWH...WBH, Naah, not yet.

Existere

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Based on the hype over a few unworded panels, I completely expect that upon release, those panels will have captions stating, "But while Mjolnir's fabled power would lay low most foes, it does not compare to destruction incarnate. And so the Phoenix ignores Thor. Not because it is threatened, no. But because it is simply disinterested. Tragedy ensues for those who have caught its interest." Oh. I was kind of hoping it would say something like

I'm made of psychic pseudo-fire. Your hammer passed through me, and is now sailing away. Better just call it back, you dumb *****.

mmm

Starscream M

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Based on the hype over a few unworded panels, I completely expect that upon release, those panels will have captions stating, "But while Mjolnir's fabled power would lay low most foes, it does not compare to destruction incarnate. And so the Phoenix ignores Thor. Not because it is threatened, no. But because it is simply disinterested. Tragedy ensues for those who have caught its interest." My version: "in an instant, mighty mjolnir races towards the Phoenix. Instead of be felling the angry cosmic entity, mjolnir is swallowed and disintegrated into its burning abyss. Thor is frozen in space with shock, for the Phoenix has revealed his god hood to be a cosmic joke in the grander scheme of universal hierarchy!

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Thor advantage over Savage Hulk, Mastero, and if he keeps this up, I would probably give him the advantage over WWH...WBH, Naah, not yet.

This is a huge step for Carver, ladies and gents.

Let's hear it for him.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zVOp5DlQ2MQ/TzO4rBdXZLI/AAAAAAAAAt4/qwC2MHP-xKA/s1600/approval-people-clapping.gif

carver9

Originally posted by Starscream M
My version: "in an instant, mighty mjolnir races towards the Phoenix. Instead of be felling the angry cosmic entity, mjolnir is swallowed and disintegrated into its burning abyss. Thor is frozen in space with shock, for the Phoenix has revealed his god hood to be a cosmic joke in the grander scheme of universal hierarchy!

I actually liked this but that doesn't explain the pain look Thats on the Phoenix face.

Starscream M

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't. Just because you watched that animated Hulk vs. don't act like that has a thing to do with comics. Hulk is more powerful than Thor as decreed by marvel, dealwithit

JakeTheBank

I wouldn't catalog as it as pain, at least not until I've read the issue in full. Probably a roar of anger or defiance or something. At best, Mjolnir might have disrupted its form.

Starscream M

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Thor advantage over Savage Hulk, Mastero, and if he keeps this up, I would probably give him the advantage over WWH...WBH, Naah, not yet. Wwh is greater than Thor imo

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk is more powerful than Thor as decreed by marvel, dealwithit

And yet, Thor has a history of stalemating or fighting Hulk evenly on his own terms without using all of his powers at his disposal. mmm

And yet, in big events, or even in his solo ongoing, Thor fights and defeats, if not kills, people decidedly more powerful than Hulk.

mmm

Endless Mike

If that's supposed to be the Earth in the background, then either the Phoenix went back there, or Mjolnir went right through Phoenix and hit the Earth, and blew up a continent by the looks of it.

Thor needs to watch his aim.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk is more powerful than Thor as decreed by marvel, dealwithit No, he isn't. Thor is more powerful than Hulk ie. Galactus, Celestials. Thor recently beat Hulk amped by a war hammer right after he took out an amped Thing. Dealwitit.

Starscream M

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yet, Thor has a history of stalemating or fighting Hulk evenly on his own terms without using all of his powers at his disposal. mmm

And yet, in big events, or even in his solo ongoing, Thor fights and defeats, if not kills, people decidedly more powerful than Hulk.

mmm In there h2h showings, hulks done better overall...ESP in the more recent years

carver9

Originally posted by Starscream M
Wwh is greater than Thor imo

It depends on how you look at it. I can't see WWH hurting the type of people Thor has damaged, not with his fist. Thor does things that trans tier beings cant accomplish. He have skyfather level fts imo.

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Starscream M
In there h2h showings, hulks done better overall...ESP in the more recent years

Which is playing to Hulk's strength while at the same time not having Thor call upon everything he has at his disposal, no?

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how you look at it. I can't see WWH hurting the type of people Thor has damaged, not with his fist. Thor does things that trans tier beings cant accomplish. He have skyfather level fts imo.

Good, good...

Starscream M

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is playing to Hulk's strength while at the same time not having Thor call upon everything he has at his disposal, no? It's still Thor...we're not debating which power set is more powerful. Rather which character...which includes how they use their powers

Starscream M

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't. Thor is more powerful than Hulk ie. Galactus, Celestials. Thor recently beat Hulk amped by a war hammer right after he took out an amped Thing. Dealwitit. Who beat onslaught....Thor or hulk?

Sundipped

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're giving AvX way too much credit. The panels will probably quantify a Mjolnir strike as like a semi-truck going hundreds of miles an hour and that even the Phoenix Force must pause before its unfettered might.

Nah....I think this narration fits better:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Based on the hype over a few unworded panels, I completely expect that upon release, those panels will have captions stating, "But while Mjolnir's fabled power would lay low most foes, it does not compare to destruction incarnate. And so the Phoenix ignores Thor. Not because it is threatened, no. But because it is simply disinterested. Tragedy ensues for those who have caught its interest."

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Starscream M
It's still Thor...we're not debating which power set is more powerful. Rather which character...which includes how they use their powers

Right.

So when Thor fights Hulk specifically, he fights down to his level, keeping it mostly melee orientated instead of using all of his storm summoning, energy projection, etc.

The method in which Thor chooses to fight Hulk doesn't make Thor less powerful than Hulk at all.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by Starscream M
Hulk is more powerful than Thor as decreed by marvel, dealwithit
Originally posted by Starscream M
In there h2h showings, hulks done better overall...ESP in the more recent years
Originally posted by Starscream M
It's still Thor...we're not debating which power set is more powerful. Rather which character...which includes how they use their powers

You can see where people might be confused.

Damborgson

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Sundipped
Nah....I think this narration fits better:

I was making fun of AvX's ridiculous narration as of late.

It's very much battle board influenced and their quantification of feats (such as Thing and Namor's punches) are really stupid.

Starscream M

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Right.

So when Thor fights Hulk specifically, he fights down to his level, keeping it mostly melee orientated instead of using all of his storm summoning, energy projection, etc.

The method in which Thor chooses to fight Hulk doesn't make Thor less powerful than Hulk at all. Has it ever occurred to you that hulk doesn't give Thor a chance to use his other powers?

Damborgson

Originally posted by Starscream M
Who beat onslaught....Thor or hulk?

Who beat Galactus.....Thor or Hulk?

carver9

Originally posted by Starscream M
It's still Thor...we're not debating which power set is more powerful. Rather which character...which includes how they use their powers

In that case, I see where you are coming from but if some Galactic being was trying to destroy earth and I had to choose out of Hulk or Thor, I would choose Thor in a heart beat due to his fts. If I had to choose who would win in a fight against Thor and WWH, then I would probably choose WWH (depending on how Thor fights). If Thor used his versatility, I can't see any Herald beating him but again, it depends on how he fights.

Overall, like I said before and have always said, going by fts, Thor IS the most powerful Herald.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
Who beat onslaught....Thor or hulk? Who beat Surfer; Thor or Hulk ?

Hulk also didn't beat Onslaught. You really say the silliest things.

Starscream M

Originally posted by Damborgson
Who beat Galactus.....Thor or Hulk? Um hulk wasn't around to fight galactic in that instant

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Starscream M
Has it ever occurred to you that hulk doesn't give Thor a chance to use his other powers?

Looking back at all their fights, and then looking back at Thor's entire history not just his fights with Hulk, that conclusion makes no sense at all.

vince_slice

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Thor advantage over Savage Hulk, Mastero, and if he keeps this up, I would probably give him the advantage over WWH...WBH, Naah, not yet.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has damaged almost every abstract in MU. The only being that was missing was Phoenix and now it has been added to the list. Thor IS the top Herald and I can't fathom anyone going against this notion. None of them have the consistent showing he have under his belt.

Thor #1 and hush your mouth Jake (that comment is for the future since I think you will probably say something sarcastic).
Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how you look at it. I can't see WWH hurting the type of people Thor has damaged, not with his fist. Thor does things that trans tier beings cant accomplish. He have skyfather level fts imo.
Originally posted by dmills
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000261155/polls_butt.kisser2_3608_954368_poll_xlarge.jpeg
stick out tongue

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
Um hulk wasn't around to fight galactic in that instant Hulk never beat Onslaught. laughing out loud

Sundipped

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I was making fun of AvX's ridiculous narration as of late.

It's very much battle board influenced and their quantification of feats (such as Thing and Namor's punches) are really stupid.

Yeah. But I have to admit, it sounded like wishful thinking at its finest. wink

carver9

Originally posted by vince_slice
stick out tongue

Lol...whatever.

carver9

Hulk was creaming Onslaught.

Starscream M

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk never beat Onslaught. laughing out loud

His physical form

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
His physical form You said he defeated Onslaught. Hulk ended up koing himself giving Onslaught exactly what he wanted.

Starscream M

When Thor and hulk are in the same storyline, hulk is usually doing the heavy lifting

In the onslaught incident, Thor was a mere afterthought while hulk was the only one powerful enough to bust onslaught physical form

Sundipped

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was creaming Onslaught.

Let's not forget who amped him so to speak carver. roll eyes (sarcastic)

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
When Thor and hulk are in the same storyline, hulk is usually doing the heavy lifting

In the onslaught incident, Thor was a mere afterthought while hulk was the only one powerful enough to bust onslaught physical form Thor was depowered at the time iirc. I never said Thor was stronger than Hulk I said more powerful. Learn to understand what it is people are saying before spouting lies.

quanchi112

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was creaming Onslaught. Hulk was ko'd.

carver9

Originally posted by Sundipped
Let's not forget who amped him so to speak carver. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Not an amp but just changed his mentality. He is still weaker than WWH. By the way, why are we discussing Hulk? Derailing the thread. This is about Phoenix and Thor.

Starscream M

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was depowered at the time iirc. I never said Thor was stronger than Hulk I said more powerful. Learn to understand what it is people are saying before spouting lies. If Thor was more powerful, why couldn't he bust onslaught physical form? You know he was trying to

carver9

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk was ko'd.

I know he was koed but he was also tanking Onslaught blows. An amped Onslaught couldn't even slow him down. This is the same Onslaught that had the planet on lock down. Before the upgrade, Onslaught two pieced Juggernaut and ripped a hole in his chest by touching him...the same Jugs that is a peer to Heralds. Hulk fought a significantly more powerful Onslaught and melted his armor with a punch.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Starscream M
If Thor was more powerful, why couldn't he bust onslaught physical form? You know he was trying to Because he was depowered at the time irrc. It's just like saying why didn't Darkseid bfr Doomsday when it's well within his powerset. Do you read what I type ?

quanchi112

Originally posted by carver9
I know he was koed but he was also tanking Onslaught blows. An amped Onslaught couldn't even slow him down. This is the same Onslaught that had the planet on lock down. Before the upgrade, Onslaught two pieced Juggernaut and ripped a hole in his chest by touching him...the same Jugs that is a peer to Heralds. Hulk fought a significantly more powerful Onslaught and melted his armor with a punch. Hulk wasn't creaming him he was ko'd. You again are posting lies.

carver9

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk wasn't creaming him he was ko'd. You again are posting lies.

So Hulk wasn't giving a more powerful Onslaught than the one "that one pieced Juggernaut and then during the second encounter ripped his chest apart" a fight? Hulk was winning the fight. His power was at the point that Earth heros was in fear.

Sundipped

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, why are we discussing Hulk? Derailing the thread. This is about Phoenix and Thor.

Don't know. It wasn't me who took it off topic. Hulk mysteriously has the power to find his way into any thread. I've even seen him do it in strictly DC character matchups. cool

Badabing

Guys, you're all trying my patience. Get back to the topic or leave the thread.

guy222

on topic

phoenix wins

RyanAutumns

lol Thor got his @ss kicked from the Phoenix Force in the recent Secret Avengers issue.. so guess that answers that

zopzop

Originally posted by RyanAutumns
lol Thor got his @ss kicked from the Phoenix Force in the recent Secret Avengers issue.. so guess that answers that

There's gonna be a rematch (or so I've heard), then we'll see who has the last laugh! evil face

guy222

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680177_Secret_Avengers-Zone__007.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680178_Secret_Avengers-Zone__009.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680179_Secret_Avengers-Zone__010.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680180_Secret_Avengers-Zone__011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680181_Secret_Avengers-Zone__012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680182_Secret_Avengers-Zone__013.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680183_Secret_Avengers-Zone__014.jpg

Endless Mike

What comic are these Phoenix fights happening in?

guy222

avengers vs x-men
secret avengers
new avengers

Damborgson

Originally posted by guy222
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680177_Secret_Avengers-Zone__007.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680178_Secret_Avengers-Zone__009.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680179_Secret_Avengers-Zone__010.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680180_Secret_Avengers-Zone__011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680181_Secret_Avengers-Zone__012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680182_Secret_Avengers-Zone__013.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680183_Secret_Avengers-Zone__014.jpg

so where do the other images of Thor hurling his hammer at Phoenix come into play?

guy222

i will re read it

ozz81

Originally posted by guy222
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680177_Secret_Avengers-Zone__007.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680178_Secret_Avengers-Zone__009.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680179_Secret_Avengers-Zone__010.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680180_Secret_Avengers-Zone__011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680181_Secret_Avengers-Zone__012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680182_Secret_Avengers-Zone__013.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11680183_Secret_Avengers-Zone__014.jpg

What series was that? Also what happens after woods does any one defeat the phoenix force, or was that issue 2 xmen vs avangers ?

Damborgson

Originally posted by ozz81
What series was that? Also what happens after woods does any one defeat the phoenix force, or was that issue 2 xmen vs avangers ?

its issue 2 of AvX secret avengers.

ozz81

^^ cool awesome smile

look fwd to 3... t.c

RyanAutumns

Go Phoenix Force! lol

Sundipped

Originally posted by zopzop
There's gonna be a rematch (or so I've heard), then we'll see who has the last laugh! evil face

After seeing what just happened, what makes you think that outcome would be any different?

leonidas

thor pretty much beat this phoenix already. it was the same rachel/phoenix whose power he absorbed and ko'd. if it was the dp in the pic, thor loses every single time.

Sundipped

leonidas

Originally posted by Sundipped
This was just the entity that flared him up.

blink

i have...no idea what you're talking about, or what you were talking about. i was referring to the op. thor has already beaten rachel as she was shown against nova. dp would def take him down. so..... confused

leonidas

and of course he'd have no chance against the force incarnate.

lilshogun

Phoenix is a peice of $hit. She does not embody the forces of Life or what ever. It is and Avatar of Death and Destruction. Galactus needs to cap that Fire Turkey.

Sundipped

Originally posted by leonidas
blink

Oh you said pic, not scans. My bad. Been awhile since I've seen the first page.

zopzop

Originally posted by leonidas
thor pretty much beat this phoenix already. it was the same rachel/phoenix whose power he absorbed and ko'd. if it was the dp in the pic, thor loses every single time.

Funny story about the Rachel/Phoenix vs Thor fight. It seems that event was so PIS ridden that when the writers were called out on it by a reader, they apologized in the letters page "The Hammer Strikes!" :
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2974/apologya.th.jpg
This was from the letters page of Thor 430.

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by zopzop
Funny story about the Rachel/Phoenix vs Thor fight. It seems that event was so PIS ridden that when the writers were called out on it by a reader, they apologized in the letters page "The Hammer Strikes!" :
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2974/apologya.th.jpg
This was from the letters page of Thor 430.

I'd hardly take that as a serious form of apology given similar letters to writers from fans complaining about power levels.

zopzop

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd hardly take that as a serious form of apology given similar letters to writers from fans complaining about power levels.

Go other examples of this happening? Anyway it is what it is, I just thought I would throw that out there. That fight WAS PIS ridden, most honest people would admit that.

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by zopzop
Go other examples of this happening? Anyway it is what it is, I just thought I would throw that out there. That fight WAS PIS ridden, most honest people would admit that.

Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.

Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.

zopzop

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.

Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.

No trust me, it was PIS, even if you believe Thor should have floored her. The very fact that her psi abilities didn't tip her off that there was something "off" with Juggernaut screams PIS.

JakeTheBank

Originally posted by zopzop
No trust me, it was PIS, even if you believe Thor should have floored her. The very fact that her psi abilities didn't tip her off that there was something "off" with Juggernaut screams PIS.

Okay.

lilshogun

Low showing but is in continuity.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fans have a storied history of writing to the letters pages complaining about how a hero basically got jobbed out and wasn't treated fairly in their opinion, usually with the writer apologizing in a humorous manner. In one issue of F4, a writer complained that Doom got punked too easily, and the writers apologized, swearing vengeance on Doom's behalf. Given that the apology didn't actually state "Hey, we glossed over their power levels and made a horrible mistake" and was just a "sorry!", I personally don't think it was intended to be a legitimate apology to Rachel fans.

Phoenix hosts have been humiliated by less, and this is Rachel we're talking about on top of that. And then you have Thor who has a history of being able to effect beings way outside his paygrade, anyway. Low showing for the PF? Sure. Outright PIS? No.

JakeTheBank

Pretty much.

Again, this is Rachel. Her getting punked by Thor should be a badge of honor to the character.

leonidas

rachel was all over the place in terms of showings in that series. if this were a straight rachel vs thor, i'd say it could go either way for sure, though i'd give rachel the definite edge in power. her character was simply too inconsistent imo. if we label the thor feat pis we have to label a lot of her other showings as such but i don't like doing that. she simply wasn't very stable. spiral also one-shotted her with her own power exactly as thor did.

Galan007

Wasn't it Rachel that stalemated Galactus? Yeah, she's got to be one of the most inconsistent characters evah.

zopzop

Originally posted by leonidas
rachel was all over the place in terms of showings in that series. if this were a straight rachel vs thor, i'd say it could go either way for sure, though i'd give rachel the definite edge in power. her character was simply too inconsistent imo. if we label the thor feat pis we have to label a lot of her other showings as such but i don't like doing that. she simply wasn't very stable. spiral also one-shotted her with her own power exactly as thor did.

It's not just the one shotting that's being called out as PIS. It's the fact that one of the most powerful TELEPATHS on the planet couldn't figure out that there was something off about the "Juggernaut" she was fighting.

leonidas

well, stalemated may be a little stretch, but g certainly didn't give any indication that he could simply walk in and take her. her high showings were pretty ridiculous (she went off against even the classic beyonder), but she had a few less-than showings as well. that's what happens when you put what should be a cosmic character on a team. :/

Galan007

Originally posted by leonidas
well, stalemated may be a little stretch, but g certainly didn't give any indication that he could simply walk in and take her. her high showings were pretty ridiculous (she went off against even the classic beyonder), but she had a few less-than showings as well. that's what happens when you put what should be a cosmic character on a team. :/ thumb up

leonidas

Originally posted by zopzop
It's not just the one shotting that's being called out as PIS. It's the fact that one of the most powerful TELEPATHS on the planet couldn't figure out that there was something off about the "Juggernaut" she was fighting.

i get that. but she failed to use her tp frequently in that series. she was brutally written down at times. realistically it was assinine putting her on a team where she should easily have been able to deal with pretty well any threat solo.

zopzop

Originally posted by leonidas
i get that. but she failed to use her tp frequently in that series. she was brutally written down at times. realistically it was assinine putting her on a team where she should easily have been able to deal with pretty well any threat solo.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but some people (me included) thought it was odd she didn't at least sense something was off with the Juggernaut she was fighting.

Glorificus

Rachel is just simply a bumbling dumbass when it comes to TP.

Even with the Force at her disposal.

She did get schooled by Emma Frost after all. LOL.

OneDumbG0

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm not disagreeing with you, but some people (me included) thought it was odd she didn't at least sense something was off with the Juggernaut she was fighting. Loki and Enchantress' magic is good for what ails you.

Endless Mike

Originally posted by guy222
avengers vs x-men
secret avengers
new avengers

Thank you

Sundipped

Originally posted by lilshogun
Phoenix is a peice of $hit. She does not embody the forces of Life or what ever. It is and Avatar of Death and Destruction. Galactus needs to cap that Fire Turkey.

The Phoenix is exactly what you said it isn't. huh

You want Big G to deal with her but he's been 1 shot by Rachel already. He better not approach her hungry. That's for sure.

guy222

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Thank you

anytime smile

guy222

power wise phoenix another lvl than thor

zopzop

Originally posted by Sundipped
The Phoenix is exactly what you said it isn't. huh

You want Big G to deal with her but he's been 1 shot by Rachel already. He better not approach her hungry. That's for sure.

Actually she never one shotted him.

The only time they fought, was when the PF was in control of Rachel's body and Galactus was hungry and about to eat a world.

The other time they encountered each other was when he came to Earth and wanted to separate her from the PF. Rachel toyed with his herald, Nova, then finally slingshotted her into Galactus using her TK. This temporarily KOed Nova and knocked Galactus over. He got up and then the fight was interrupted by Meggan.

Rachel finally just decided to let him do what he wanted to do to her but said she was only doing it for the sake of the planet (as an all out war with Galactus on Earth would wreck it), she even told Nova to take a hint from her Master and shut her mouth and stop "crowing" before she changes her mind and decides it's Galactus that has to go.

the Darkone

Thor more exipernce and versatile with his powers, than Rachel! Potential she should be higher than Thor but she's no jean that's a fact! Thor has shown consistently when push he can hurt beings higher than sky father level. Times I believe Thor is low trans instead of high end herald level.

nwg202

I agree with the other poster, Rachel was jobbing because she was put on a team. Her showings are all over the place.

We have examples of this all the time. You put an uber powerful character like an avatar of the pf force( jean jobbed to mags), silver surfer failing to put down attuma with help from namor and freaking strange, doc strange on a team, Colossus or Cain on a team, even Thor himself with the avengers... and they job like crazy due to the plot. You have to make the less powerful members look useful.

guy222

thor<celestials yes
thor>demogorge big grin

rachel defeated necrom
rachel embarassed big g

rachel wins

guy222 logic laughing out loud

Sundipped

Originally posted by zopzop
Actually she never one shotted him.

The only time they fought, was when the PF was in control of Rachel's body and Galactus was hungry and about to eat a world.

Orealy? What else would you call this?
Don't misinterpret these scans. She no sold his cosmic vision then wrecked him:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792147_G1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792148_G2.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792149_G3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792150_G4.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792151_G5.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792153_G6.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792154_G7.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
The other time they encountered each other was when he came to Earth and wanted to separate her from the PF. Rachel toyed with his herald, Nova, then finally slingshotted her into Galactus using her TK. This temporarily KOed Nova and knocked Galactus over. He got up and then the fight was interrupted by Meggan.

Rachel finally just decided to let him do what he wanted to do to her but said she was only doing it for the sake of the planet (as an all out war with Galactus on Earth would wreck it), she even told Nova to take a hint from her Master and shut her mouth and stop "crowing" before she changes her mind and decides it's Galactus that has to go.

Galactus' comments concerning Phoenix outweighs all of this. Grand acknowledgement of it being a destructive force. He compared his sustenance to something that could obliterate the source of his sustenance.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4300/excalibur02520hz1.jpg

It was even explained by the Watcher that this kind of tampering would inevitability bring about his destruction. Conclusion : The Phoenix Force can purposely or inadvertently end Big G. Also as you can see above, a head up confrontation wouldn't end so well either.

zopzop

Originally posted by Sundipped
Orealy? What else would you call this?
Don't misinterpret these scans. She no sold his cosmic vision then wrecked him:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792147_G1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792148_G2.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792149_G3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792150_G4.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792151_G5.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792153_G6.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10792154_G7.jpg

This doesn't contradict what I said :
a) It wasn't Rachel, it was the PF in control of Rachel's body (because Rachel's mind was healing itself)
B) Galactus was hungry
C) She didn't one shot him

The only point open to debate would be (C) because it looks like he was blocking an attack from the PF in the fourth scan.

Again, this doesn't contradict what I said. Rachel herself told Nova to shut up and not brag or she'd change her mind and decide it's Galactus that has to go. Rachel didn't want to fight Galactus, not because she feared him, but because she didn't want to endanger the planet as a result of her battle.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Sundipped

It was even explained by the Watcher that this kind of tampering
would inevitability bring about his destruction.

Conclusion : The Phoenix Force can purposely or inadvertently end Big G.

You got that mixed up good friend.

The only one that was going to end that day in that story was the Phoenix Force,
which Galactus was going to erase from existence,
and indeed, began to do so (the stars were fading as a result)
but then G stopped, after being advised by the Watcher & Death.

At no time ever did the PF ever become a threat to Galactus.

In fact, it was clearly stated that Galactus along with Death and any other sentience that does not need stars to survive,
would continue on existing without any need for any PF.

The only draw back is that there would be no natural stars,
since Eternity/Infinity gave that job to the PF.

Meh, means little when these beings can simply create their own stars.

I remember when the consciousness of an alternate universe left its native part of the Multiverse,
and decided to make camp in the neighboring void.
That entire alternate reality collapsed (no space/time)
and still the evolved humans of Earth created a protective shield around the Earth,
giving them light, air and the essentials to sustain a functioning world.

No need for the PF, and while this alternate reality is within the totality of Eternity,
as we can see,
if you have the power,
you can sustain your own reality without directly involving even Eternity.

Sundipped

Originally posted by zopzop
This doesn't contradict what I said :
a) It wasn't Rachel, it was the PF in control of Rachel's body (because Rachel's mind was healing itself)
B) Galactus was hungry
C) She didn't one shot him

The only point open to debate would be (C) because it looks like he was blocking an attack from the PF in the fourth scan.

a) It was indeed Rachel still operating with a conscience. Having the presence of mind to destroy Gs feeding utensils & save Earth. The Force itself isn't concerned with Earth in the least other than to find a host. You see the state the entity is in currently? Its not in reasoning mode. Only a destructive one.
b). Never denied that.
c). Right after I told you not to misinterpret, you did. erm

What you thought was an attack was only merely a flare up. Big G raised his hand as a defensive measure in anticipation of an attack but there wasnt one.

Originally posted by zopzop
Again, this doesn't contradict what I said. Rachel herself told Nova to shut up and not brag or she'd change her mind and decide it's Galactus that has to go. Rachel didn't want to fight Galactus, not because she feared him, but because she didn't want to endanger the planet as a result of her battle.

thumb up

Cool. No complaints.